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Empiree:
Mrolai, I don't think you should drag it to that level. Just stick to his subject matter. I hate to involve in a subject where both sects are actually guilty of the same crime. I told you before that sunni (minority) also guilty of "misyar" identical to muta marriage but it's basically practiced in Arabian peninsula.
Unfortunately I can't defend baqir if you continue to bring this up because he started this unnecessary criticisms of the first 3 imams. I could engage him and trash everything in his op and subsequent posts but ain't get his time.

usermane:
@MrOlai remind me of pot calling kettle black. Your own Ahlu sunnah sect ordain sex slavery of female captives. According to your own tradition, Muhammad had concubines in addition to his numerous wives. Muhammad married and cohabited with a 9 year old according to your tradition. I can post the Hadith if you want me.
The problem with you traditional Muslims is you don't know your religion, that is why you are quick to judge others.

AlBaqir:
^Mr Sino, welcome. I've been expecting a die-hard like you.
First, you failed woefully to review previous dialogues on this thread and appreciate the extent of discussion. You just jump like "mountain goat" to attack.

kazlaw2000:
Bro albaqir, pls refrain from finding faults with our fore bearers. Instead, you should be seeking forgiveness for them, just as is mentioned in suurah Hashr verse 10. Even if it was not a Sahabah, focusing a brother's misdeeds after his death is not good. To what end, I ask bro albaqir. Why not also write about the virtues of Umar(RA) that can also be found in those 'sunni' sources you are citing?

sino:
Yet another shallow argument from our shia brother AlBaqir, perhaps you do not know the implications of these your obsessions with finding fault with the 3 Caliphs before Ali (RA). And selectively picking a quranic verse or hadith to support your agenda is just plain deceitful, speaks volume of your person…Allah says:
“Those of you who turned back on the day when the two hosts met it was Satan who caused them to backslide because of some (sins) they had earned. But, Allah indeed has forgiven them. Surely, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing.” [Surah Aal ‘Imran 3:155].
Can we all see where Allah (SWT) says he had forgiven those who turned back in the battle of Uhud, as Muslims, when Allah (SWT) says He had forgiven these people, then we do not have the authority to speak ill of these people, no matter what, doing so means we know better than Allah (SWT), and that is automatic doom for such a person. When Allah says He forgives, who the hell is AlBaqir to blame these companions?!
You might claim this is an academic discuss, but that is just a smokescreen, your agenda is quite known.
Let us accept for a moment, that all what you are trying to tell us about these caliphs are true, that they kept fleeing from battle. Then how do you explain these companions (especially Umar) being caliphs before Ali (RA)?! Ali (RA) who is suppose to be the rightful heir, the brave and powerful, the one who loves Allah (SWT) and the Prophet (SAW), the one who is the custodian of knowledge, that he could not fight for his right? Could not fight for Allah’s cause in disgracing these companions who kept fleeing from battle and in your parochial understanding, who usurped the caliphate from him? In what light does these aforementioned portrays Ali (RA)? #Think!
And even after Ali (RA) became the caliph, he did not reverse anything his predecessors did, nor did he make any remarks against their actions, but was full of praise and seeking blessings on them all. for example:
It was narrated that Muhammad Bin Aqeel bin Abu Talib said:[b] Ali made a Sermon to us and he said: O people, Who was the bravest amongst the people? We said: You O Ameer al Mumineen, He(Ali) said: Rather, it is Abu Bakr as- Siddeeq, because on the day of Badr, we built the hut for the Messenger of Allah(saw) then we said: “Who will stand with him so that none of the polytheists will get close to him?” No one stood with him except Abu Bakr, who stood with his sword unsheathed, guarding the Prophet; every time anyone got close to him, Abu Bakr struck him with his sword. I saw the Messenger of Allah(saw), when Quraysh caught hold of him at the Ka’bah and started shaking him and saying: “You are the one who made the gods into one God.” By Allah, no one got close to him except Abu Bakr and at that time Abu Bakr had two braids. He started poking this one and pushing that one, saying: ‘Woe to you! Would you kill a man because he says my Lord is Allah(swt) when he has brought you proof from your Lord?” One of Abu Bakr’s braids was cut off, and ‘Ali said to his companions: I adjure you by Allah, which of the two men was better, the believer of the family of Pharaoh or Abu Bakr?’ The people kept quiet, then ‘Ali said: ‘By Allah, a day in the life of Abu Bakr is better than the believer of the family of Pharaoh; that man conceded his faith, and Allah praised him, but Abu Bakr offered his life and his blood for the sake of Allah.[/b](Al Mustadrak (3/67) He said SAHIH on the condition of Muslim and Imam al Thahabi Agreed with him.) [Ali bin Abi Talib, by Ali Muhammad Sallabi, vol 1, page 170]
Ibn Abbas said: Ali ibn Abi Talib said to me: I do not know of any of the Muhajireen who did not migrate in secret, except Umar ibn al-Khattab. When he decided to migrate, he put on his sword, put his bow over his shoulder, picked up his arrows and carried his stick by his side. He went out to the Ka’bah, where a number of Quraysh were gathered in its courtyard, and he circumambulated the House seven times, at a leisurely pace. Then he went to the circles of people, one by one, and said to them, May your faces become ugly! Allah will only rub these noses in the dust. Whoever wants his mother to be bereft of him and his children to become orphan or his wife to become a widow, let him meet me behind this valley. Ali said: No one followed him except a few of those who were weak and oppressed. He taught them and told them about Islam, then he went on his way. [Saheeh at-Tawtheeq fee seerat al-Farooq, page 30]
Where did you leave these narrations o AlBaqir? Why don’t you emulate Ali (RA)? Why do you always go against the sunnah of the Prophet (SAW) and the ahl-l-bayt? Are you sure you love the Prophet (SAW) and the ahl-l-bayt?!
Other narrations that speaks of the bravery of Umar and his status in Islam are plentiful, examples are as follows:
Abdullah Ibn Mas’ud (ra) said: “We have been powerful since the time ‘Umar accepted Islam.” [Sahih Bukhari (3684) (3863)]
Abdullah ibn Masood said: We felt a sense of pride when Umar became Muslim, for we could not circumambulate the House(Kaabah) and pray, until Umar became Muslim. When he became Muslim, he fought them until they left us alone. Then we prayed and circumambulated the Kabah.(Fadail Sahabah, 1/344. Isnad Hasan]
Ibn Masood said: Umar’s becoming Muslim was a victory, his migration was help, and his caliphate was a mercy. We could not pray or circumambulate the House (Kabah) until Umar became Muslim. When he became Muslim, he fought them until they left us alone and let us pray.(Ash Shaykhain Abu Bakr wa Umar, page 141)
Suhayb ibn Sinan said: When Umar ibn al-Khattab became Muslim, Islam came out into the open and the call to Islam was made in public. We sat around the Kabah in circles, and we circumambulated the house and settled our scores with those who had persecuted us. We started to hit back.(At-Tabaqat al Kubra, 3/269. Sifat as-Safwah 1/274).
These are but few, there are many more, all scattered in books of hadith and seerah. We do not believe these companions were infallible, they might have committed sins, but we have it on record that Allah (SWT) had forgiven them and granted them His mercy, Allah (SWT) says:
“And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajiroon (the Emigrants from Makkah) and the Ansar (the citizens of Al-Madeenah who helped the Muhajiroon) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them as they are well pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.” [9:100]
“Indeed, Allah was pleased with the believers when they gave their pledge to you (O Muhammad) under the tree. He knew what was in their hearts and He sent down calmness and tranquility upon them…” [48:18]
Again Allah (SWT) taught us our responsibilities towards the forerunners of Islam, Allah (SWT) says:
“And those who come after them say: ‘Our Lord! Forgive us and our brethren who have preceded us in Faith, and put not in our hearts any hatred against those who have believed.'” [59:10]
Once you agree these companions of the Prophet (SAW) died as Muslims, and then you still make snide remarks about them, you have gone against the Qur’an and the teachings of the Prophet (SAW).

So a quick question AlBaqir? DID UMAR (RA) NOT DIE A MUSLIM?!

millionboi:
taraba olosho

MrOlai:
This is what Allah(SWT) says about those companions of the Prophet(SAW) and those that follow them:
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وَالسَّابِقُونَ الْأَوَّلُونَ مِنَ الْمُهَاجِرِينَ وَالْأَنْصَارِ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوهُمْ بِإِحْسَانٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَرَضُوا عَنْهُ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي تَحْتَهَا الْأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا أَبَدًا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ
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"As for the first pioneers who accepted Islam from the Muhajir (immigrants) and Ansar (supporters in Madinah) and those who follow them in good deeds, Allah is well pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they shall live forever: that is the mighty achievement."
(Q.9:100)

HAkorehdeh:
Nl islam for Muslim section... I'm gonna unfollow this section soon in Sha Allah. It's really too disturbing the way people insult and embarrass themselves. The truth is there's really hatred, enmity, and animosity in this section, and not only in this forum , i am also a member of an online Muslim forum 'ummah'. People call themselves names, make takfir etc. I just wonder if this people were to meet physically, what could have happened?
Just another reason why i don't still believe Islam is completely clean from terrorism, even after seeing some people claiming ISIS /BH are Christians/jews base on their own research.

kazlaw2000:
The person that made this comment should fear Allaah. Pls check Suura Hashr, verse 10 to see why I say so. Are you/we better than Uthmaan? Pls repent now so Allaah may not visit you with a chastisement soon. You don't mess with Allaah's friends.

BETATRON:
lol uthman should be a yoruba man.who runs first before knowing why he ran.."Came back after three days" hehehe
Nice piece again

AlBaqir:
We (Shia) have over many centuries after the demise of the holy prophet (saws) presented our 12 Imams as being successor of the holy prophet, it is alarming that Ahl Sunna wal Jama'a (past or present) have NEVER reach any conclusion as who were those 12 as many of their Khalifas were monsters, murderers, adulterers and devil incarnates.

AlBaqir:
There is a narration in Tafsir al-Ayyashi which states that the Prophet (pbuh) was poisoned by his two wives, A’isha and Hafsa.

AlBaqir:
@golpen,
Yes I have a big problem with them, dear brother. I need answers because I just can't reconcile sahaba, accusing my beloved prophet a derailed, prevented him from writing his will on his death-bed that would have saved u from perdition,doubting his prophethood, ran away from war and left him(a.s) with his enemies, killed his family yet being promised al-jannah despite Allah saying: "if you raise your voice or abuse prophet...your deeds will be void", Allah frown and will punish those who ran away and left the prophet in war, etc.
As for me, if I follow those sahaba footsteps, then am doomed but if I follow the righteous among them, then success is mine. They are all examples for us and the choice is ours on who to follow.

LuckyLadolce:
Wow! am really encouraged by ur words. thanks brother may almighty Allah continue to bless you and ur family. Salam alaykum.

maryhaam:
Alhamdulilahi,trust me yours is an exception,people like you are rare,i wish it was that easy.

LuckyLadolce:
check my blog yahsalam..com have no time to put articles though. due to the nature of my job(banking). its just a matter of time sha... inn shaa Allah i will develop it to a full site and start posting good islamic stuffs on it .

olayinka63:
Jazakumullahu khayra

LuckyLadolce:
Thanks. jazakum

LuckyLadolce:
I want to put it (ur article) on my blog and make reference to you. i hope am free. salam alaykum

LuckyLadolce:
JAZAKUM

olawaleqaasim:
If you don't date or court, the number 1 thing that would spur your interest towards marrying her would be because of her religion and thereafter, the genuineness that you REALLY want to marry her and not just use and dump (no offence meant, just explaining).

Marrying someone without the kind of courtship that we know today goes a long way to tell that this person I'm getting married to has a 60% chance of marrying me for who I am and not possibly an angelic figure.

It isn't a matter of meeting someone in a day and marrying such person that day all in the name of no courtship, no; only that Islam has procedures WHEN YOU ARE READY TO GET MARRIED. A lot of us want to enjoy the companionship of the opposite sex WITHOUT accepting the responsibilities of legal spouses, that is what Islam detests.

The danger in having a longterm companionship is the risk of committing fornication, which is a capital sin as far as Islam is concerned.

To think of it, if courtship is the solution to getting married to the wrong person, why then do we have breakups here and there?

I'm married and i am happily married, nothing brought myself and my wife together other than knowing that she is a muslim and a human being. She has her deficiencies and I have mine. We cope with each other like brother and sister and know how to manage our communication. We got married in August of a year and I met her the December preceding that August. What else could have made us marry like that if not the INTEREST to marry.

usmanbaba:
Jaza khun khairan.... Pls I need a Hausa muslim lady for a relationship, my bbm pin 331938FA. Allah's knows d best!