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AlBaqir:
Nikah al-Mutah, or simply Mutah, is marriage between two consenting adults for a specified period of time.
Qur'an states:
"Those of them with whom you contract MUT'AH, give them their prescribed dowries; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is prescribed. Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise" {surah an-Nisa: 24}
# Imam Ibn Jarir al-Tabari (d.310H) in his Tafsir [Jami al-Bayan fi Tawil al-Qur'an (Dar al-Fikr; 1415 H), vol. 5, p. 19],
# Imam 'Abd al-Razzaq (d. 211H) in his al-Musannaf [vol. 7, p. 498, # 14022],
# Imam al-Hafiz ibn Kathir (d. 774H) in his Tafsir al-Quran al-Azim [( 2nd edition, 1420 H), vol. 2, p. 259],
# And Imam al-Hakim (d. 410H) ALL document with more or less similar versions:
"Abu Nadrah: I read to Ibn Abbas: {Those of them with whom you contract mutah, give them their prescribed dowries} [4:24]. He said: {"Those of them with whom you contract Mutah for a specified period }".
Abu Nadrah said: I said, "We do not recite it like that!" Ibn Abbas replied, "I swear by Allah, Allah certainly revealed it like that."
Al-Hakim and Imam al-Dhahabi (d. 748 H) comments: This ḥadīth is Sahih upon the standard of (Imam) Muslim.
Source: {al-Mustadrak ala al-Sahihayn (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-Ilmiyyah; 1st edition, 1411 H), vol. 2, p. 334, # 3192}
Imam Ibn Kathir gives further information [ref. cited above]:
"Ibn Abbas, Ubayy b. Ka'b, Sa'id b. Jubayr and al-Suddi used to recite: {Those of them with whom you contract mut'ah for a specified period, give them their prescribed dowries}"
So absolutely this ayah legislated Mutah and there are countless Sahih ahadith in Sunni and Shi'i reference books that proved its validity.
On the other hand, there are "sihah" ahadith, ONLY in Sunni books which claim that the holy Prophet, salallahu alahi wa ahli, later prohibited Nikah al-Mutah [forever] at three different periods and locations after approving it intermittently. The last "prohibition" (according to these narrations) was at the night of Awtas (Fath Makkah - conquest of Makkah in the 9th Hijri). This last prohibition at Fath Makkah is reported by a SINGLE Sahabi who claimed he saw the Prophet at the gate of Kaaba addressing people. How come ONLY HIM NARRATED THIS WHEN THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WERE PRESENT? This kind of hadith is Wahid/Mufrad.
Shi'i school however argued that since there exist an ayah in the Qur'an that legislated Mutah, NO hadith can ever abrogate an ayah of the Qur'an as Allah Himself declare that "whatever ayah We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it…"{al-Baqarah:106; an-Nahl:101}.
This alone questions the integrity of the ahadith that claims the Prophet later prohibited Mut'a after its legislation.
Various other counter argument were presented by the Sunni that certain ayah [e.g surah al-Mu'minin: 1-7] already abrogated the ayah of Mut'ah, but chronologically, a previous ayah or surah [e.g revealed in Makka] can never abrogate later ayah or surah [e.g revealed in Madina].
QUESTION:
As regard Temporary Marriage (Nikah Mutah), young sisters are being affected psychologically in some circumstances. How can we combat the issue?
REPLY (BY Sayyid Mustafa Qazwini):
"My friends, temporary marriage is not a permission for all people to practice it.
Temporary marriage is not the norm. Its the exception. Remember! The norm is the permanent marriage...to marry a person...establishing a family and raising children.
However for every norm, there is an exception...I do not encourage the young generations to go after temporary marriage. Its not for you guys. You have to think of your futures, to build a stable future for yourselves.
Remember, this temporal relationships are going to affect (you) in a bad way, in a negative way...the more premarital relationships you have, the more destabilize your marriage is going to be (and vice versa)...
So it is not for you (the youth). It is for people who have some special circumstances. It is like an emergency door. We do not use it unless there is an emergency. Otherwise we use the main door. Timed marriage (mut'a) is for exceptional cases..."
NB: Video of this is available should you want to verify.
Shia do not close the door when this marriage is necessary unlike the Sunni. I ask what is the solution for a Soldier on a mission of e.g 3-5years (and another year somewhere else etc) in an unknown land, as regard to his sexual desires?
# The fact that Mutah has been greatly abused doesn't mean it should be declare Haram. So many other things have been greatly abused too by the Muslims.

AlBaqir:
MrOlai and Mr vedaxcool, your conclusion in short, is that mutah is FORNICATION. And there is no doubt fornication is HARAM in Islam.
# Please did Islam ever at one time legislated fornication before forbidden it?
Mutah is agreed upon by Sunni and Shia to have been legislated by Allah and His prophet. The point of our differences is on its abrogation.
One of Sunni grand Imam, Ibn Hazm (d. 456 H) writes:
"A group of the Salaf, may Allah be pleased with them, were FIRM in declaring it (Mutah) HALAL AFTER the Messenger of Allah. Those of them from the SAHABAH, may Allah be pleased with them, were Asma bint Abi Bakr al-siddiq, Jabir b. Abd Allah, Ibn Mas'ud, Ibn Abbas, Mu'awiyah b. Abi Sufyan, Amr b. Hurayth, Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, and Salamah and Ma'bad - sons of Umayyah b. Khalaf.
Jabir b. Abd Allah also reported it (i.e declaration of Mutah as halal) from all the Sahabah during the time of the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, and during the time of Abu Bakr and Umar until near the end of the caliphate of Umar. Ibn al-Zubayr had contradictory opinions on its permissibility, while Ali expressed no opinion concerning it. It is narrated that Umar b. al-Khattab only denied it if two just people did not act as its witnesses, and he considered it permissible if two just people acted as witnesses to it.
Among the Tabi'in were: Tawus, 'Ata, Sa'id b. Jubayr, and the rest of the Jurists of Makkah, may Allah honour it."
Ref: Abu Muhammad Ali b. Ahmad b. Sa'id b. Hazm al-Andalusi al-Qurtubi al-Zahiri, al-Muhallah (Dar al-Fikr li al-Taba'ah wa al-Nashr wa al-Tawzi), vol.9, p.519-520
For confirmation of some of Ibn Hazm's submissions:
# Imam 'Abd al-Razzaq (d. 211H) reports:
'Abd al-Razzaq - Ibn Jurayj - Abu al-Zubayr - Jabir b. Abd Allah:
"We, the Sahabah of the Prophet, peace be upon him, did Mutah UNTIL the prohibition of 'Amr b. Hurayth (from it)"
Ref: Abu Bakr Abd al-Razzaq b. Hamam al-Sa'nani, al-Musannaf [annotator: Habib al-Rahman al-A'zami], vol.7, p.499, #14025
# Imam Abd al-Razzaq continues in another riwayah:
'Abd al-Razzaq - Ibn Jurayj - Abu al-Zubayr - Jabir b. Abd Allah:
Amr b. Hurayth arrived from Kufah and did Mutah with a slave woman. Then, she was brought to Umar when she became pregnant, and he interrogated her. So, she said, "Amr b. Hurayth did Mutah with me." He (Umar) said, "So, why not other than her (a slave)?" That was the moment when he (Umar) forbade it.
Ref: Abu Bakr Abd al-Razzaq b. Hamam al-Sa'nani, al-Musannaf [annotator: Habib al-Rahman al-A'zami], vol.7, p.500, #14029.
So, obviously according to your emotional theories, all these Salafs were bunch of FORNICATORS.
Just to add, the fact that Umar forbade it, never stops "a deviant fornicator (in your view)" like Abd Allah Ibn Abbas from practicing it.
Allamah al-Albani writes:
"The summary is: three opinions are narrated from Ibn Abbas, may Allaah be pleased with him, about Mutah:
The one: he permitted it unconditionally.
The second: he permitted it in cases of necessity.
The last: he forbade it unconditionally, but this is from what is NOT authentically transmitted from him, unlike the first two opinions which are authentically transmitted from him"
Ref: {Irwa al-Ghalil fi Takhrij Ahadith Manar al-Sabil (Beirut: al-Maktab al-Islami; 2nd edition, 1405 H), vol. 6, p. 319, # 1903}
To Mr Empiree, your own conclusion on this issue is that its a Sunni-Shi'i usual sectarian differences. And the fact that Sunni practices Misyar Nikkah, they simply don't have the right to blame Shia practicing Mutah. That seem philosophical but am sorry its not.
Sunni invention is called al-Zawaj bi niyyah al-talaq (marriage with the intention of divorce). It is later modified to Misyar Nikkah [Traveler's marriage].
All we ask is a clear proof from the Quran, Sunnah and Sahabah's example sanctioning it.

AlBaqir:
To Mr Empiree, your own conclusion on this issue is that its a Sunni-Shi'i usual sectarian differences. And the fact that Sunni practices Misyar Nikkah, they simply don't have the right to blame Shia practicing Mutah. That seem philosophical but am sorry its not.
Sunni invention is called al-Zawaj bi niyyah al-talaq (marriage with the intention of divorce). It is later modified to Misyar Nikkah [Traveler's marriage].

cococandy:
Yet no tangible census data in that write up.
I hail thee

Chubhie:
I must say as a guy the idea of doing four women while being spiritually correct looks enticing. But then, the drama of one woman along takes a whole lot of tact and wisdom to handle talk less of four. I'm still open to the idea after all, the birds whispered that some of my ancestors as david and solo baba are examples to look up to.

cococandy:
Yet no tangible census data in that write up.
I hail thee

Chubhie:
OP, you must be HIV Aladeen for the shiit you put up there.

carinmom:
I pray so, but I'm still not comfortable with the idea because polygamy is only halal and not compulsory . But if that is what Allah has destined for me, who am i to question the most high?

cococandy:
Why don't you do the simple search and post the information here for us all?

MrOlai:
Ok. I'll try.

carinmom:
That story really touched me. But i still can't imagine myself living with co-wife, its definitely not easy.

carinmom:
That story really touched me. But i still can't imagine myself living with co-wife, its definitely not easy.

cococandy:
Why don't you do the simple search and post the information here for us all?

thorpido:
*second bolded*Which type of women are you talking about?

cococandy:
You don't even know what you're saying

thorpido:
*@first bolded* Which God?

cococandy:
MrOlai, Currently the population of men is higher than that of women, what's Allah's prescription for that?

thorpido:
Reasons for marrying more than one wife are just excuses and fleshly desires of men.

thorpido:
Hmmm,you should have posted this in the Islam for muslims section.

carinmom:
That story really touched me. But i still can't imagine myself living with co-wife, its definitely not easy.

sino:
Perhaps there are shias who are moderators...

AlBaqir:
Have I ever sought your support on any of my thread? Yes when MrOlai made erratic comment and posts yet you hide your head. Can you even help yourself and your Sufi ideology? . I have NEVER seen any comment of yours with explicit quotation of a single hadith with full text and reference. And you want to support?

Empiree:
When it comes to this thread, I can never support albaqir. He knows that long ago.

sino:
AlBaqir must have seen me jumping like a mountain goat before making such comment, it doesn't bother me at all.
Indeed we must not keep quiet when people with an agenda wants to tarnish the honor of the Prophet's companions, especially his closest and trusted ones such as Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman (RA), but we must defend their honor by applying the Sunnah. If the Prophet (SAW) and ahl-l-bayt never spoke ill of these companions one wonders who these Shia are following with this their deep rooted hatred...
May Allah guide us right ameen

AlBaqir:
# Unnecessary thread indeed!
# @underline Allahu Akbar. You never stop with your amusing comments. You ain't get his (Albaqir) time yet from the very first page till this, your comments filled up the spaces. Obviously you have nothing, absolutely nothing in your arsenal to rescue your darling Khalifah . Empiree pls stop making comment....

Empiree:
I dont think you get it. I have always stood firm supporting companions(RA). But what you brought up is not in line with that. I have confronted baqir in the past and called him misguided for calling the companions usurpers.
But what you brought up is irrelevant to the borne of contention. Shia are basically muslims. Their hate for the companions does not make any less muslims. It would be wrong to castigate all of them. When it comes to some of their practices that are not islamic or wild doctrines, I simply against it. I can not defend Sunni for what you posted earlier which is what user.mane commented on. I think you should understand better than that. When it comes to this thread, I can never support albaqir. He knows that long ago. It is not about being here and there. Shia are muslims with some twisted ideology that dont impress me.
On this thread, op is very wrong. I have said that it is mere hatred for the companions and it will never end until the return or Imam Mahdi or Isa Ibn Maryam(AS).

sino:
Assalam alaykum Mr Olai, please exercise patience and don't allow Shia actions and utterances get to you. There is always the time and place to defend the Sunnah to the best of our ability. And please for Allah's sake, delete offensive posts. Jazakumullahu khayran