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AlBaqir:
Okay those "Salaf salih (righteous predecessors)" from among the Sahabah and Tabi'in failed to heed Allah's words? The fact that they practised Mut'ah throughout their lives, that according to "you", they are Fornicators and adulterers.
# A good student of learning studies both sides of the coin. Alhamdulillah it seemed you were SHOCKED deep down your heart when you learnt some prominent Sahabah did practiced Mut'ah which you tagged "Zina". That alone you make you sit back and study more before you commit yourself. There is no sin in learning.
# Do you know Allah Himself legalize Mut'ah in His Book? And interestingly, the verse you quoted above in surah mu'minin was revealed before surah Nisa verse 24 which legalized Mut'ah. A previous surah or ayah, and a meccan surah or ayah can never abrogate a later surah or ayah, or Madinan sura or ayah. That is one of the ruling of abrogation.
# The link on Mut'ah I directed you to is enough as an introduction to your research.
QUE: HAVE YOU EVER ASK YOURSELF THE ISLAMIC SOLUTION TO FOR EXAMPLE A SOLDIER'S SEXUAL DESIRES, WHO WAS ON A MISSION OF SAY 3-5 YEARS FAR AWAY FROM HIS WIFE (S)?
That is where Mut'ah application comes from. Unfortunately it has been abused today just like every other practices of Islam has been abused.
HAVE YOU HEARD OF SUNNI BID'AH TYPE OF MARRIAGE?
Ahlu sunnah also realized the danger in the above question but their hypocrisy on Mut'ah could not make them accept it as Shi'a does. Sunni INVENTED a marriage called: az-Zawajat Nikkah bi Niyat Talaq (marriage with intention of divorce). It is also known as "Misyar nikkah - Traveller's marriage. It is a form of "marriage" whereby you are allowed to marry any woman of your choice when on a journey in foreign land with the intention of divorcing her after the expiration of your stay there. It is not obligatory, not even necessary for your "wife" or her parents to know your intention. And nobody has the right to question you of your action (divorce).
How does that sound?

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Rubbish!
Stop misinterpreting Islamic sources!

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AlBaqir:
So obviously you no NOTHING about Shi'a and you opened a thread about UNITY?! Besides you have already joined the bandwagons of labelling Shi'a as "fornicators/aduterers" for allowing Mut'ah without bothering to read their submissions on the issue. Indeed you are a just judge yet you call for unity. That's funny and serious.
On Mut'ah:
One of Sunni grand Ulama, Imam Ibn Hazm (456H) summarized the whole Mut'ah dialogue in this epilogue:
“A group of the Salaf, may Allah be pleased with them, were FIRM in declaring it (Mut'a) halal AFTER the Messenger of Allāh. Those of them from the Sahabah, may Allah be pleased with them, were Asma bint Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, Jabir b. 'Abd Allāh Ibn Mas'ud, Ibn Abbas, Mu'āwiyah b. Abu Sufyan, 'Amr b. Ḥurayth, Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, and Salamah and Ma'bad – sons of Umayyah b. Khalaf. Jabir b. 'Abd Allah also reported it (i.e. declaration of mut'ah as halal ) from all the Sahabah during the time of the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, and during the time of Abu Bakr and 'Umar until near the end of the caliphate of 'Umar.
Ibn al-Zubayr had contradictory opinions on its permissibility, while Ali expressed no opinion concerning it. It is narrated that 'Umar b. al-Khattab only denied it if two just people did not act as its witnesses, and he considered it permissible if two just people acted as witnesses to it.
And among the Tabi'in were: Tawus, 'Ata, Sa'id b. Jubayr, and the rest of the jurists of Makkah, may Allāh honour it
Source: {al-Muḥallā (Dār al-Fikr li al-Ṭabā'ah wa al-Nashr wa al-Tawzī‟), vol. 9, pp. 519-520}
Read more here:
https://www.nairaland.com/2767419/mutah

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Rubbish!

In ideal Islamic situation, you guys should either be in jail or sent out of the country or be killed for destroying lives!

lexiconkabir:
Now this muta thing is what I find bizarre about the aqeeda of the shias, I never believed it was part of their aqeeda until just now that you confirmed it. subhanAllah! this is zina for crying out loud, a major sin!!!
on the issue of sects, I found this hadith this morning, when digging up some old threads on the issue of sunni and shia disagreement and it goes thus:
Imam Muslim (Rahimahullah) has related in his Sahih (3/4553) a Hadith on the authority of Hudhaifa ibn al-Yaman (Allah be pleased with him), who said:
"[b]People used to ask the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) about the good times, but I used to ask him about (the) bad times fearing lest they overtake me. I said, 'Messenger of Allah, we were in the midst of ignorance and evil, and then Allah brought us this good (time through Islam). Is there any bad time after this good one?' He said, 'Yes'. I asked, 'Will there be a good time again after that bad time?' He said, 'Yes, but therein will be a hidden evil.' I asked, 'What will be the evil hidden therein?' He said, '(That time will witness the rise of) the people who will adopt ways other than mine and seek guidance other than mine. You will know good points as well as bad points.' I asked, 'Will there be a bad time after this good one?' He said, 'Yes. (A time will come) when there will be people standing and inviting at the gates of Hell. Whoso responds to their call, they will throw them into the fire.' I said, 'Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him), describe them for us.' He said, 'All right. They will be a people having the same complexion as ours and speaking our language.' I said, `Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him), what do you suggest if I happen to live in their time?' He said, 'You should stick to the main body of the Muslims and their leader' I said, 'If they have no (such thing as the) main body of
the Muslims and have no leader?' He said, '[size=18pt]Separate yourself from all these factions[/size], though you may have to eat the roots of trees until death comes to you and you are in this state[/b].'"

All the evils they commit are some of the reasons why Scholars of Islam consider them kuffar!

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AlBaqir:
Mut'ah? Zina? Can you live with that especially when you realized that prominent Sahabah practiced Mut'ah all their lives? Yet they were not "fornicators or adulterers" but Shi'a were? Afala taqilun?
One of Sunni grand Ulama, Imam Ibn Hazm (456H) summarized the whole Mut'ah dialogue in this epilogue:
“A group of the Salaf, may Allah be pleased with them, were FIRM in declaring it (Mut'a) halal AFTER the Messenger of Allāh. Those of them from the Sahabah, may Allah be pleased with them, were Asma bint Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, Jabir b. 'Abd Allāh Ibn Mas'ud, Ibn Abbas, Mu'āwiyah b. Abu Sufyan, 'Amr b. Ḥurayth, Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, and Salamah and Ma'bad – sons of Umayyah b. Khalaf. Jabir b. 'Abd Allah also reported it (i.e. declaration of mut'ah as halal ) from all the Sahabah during the time of the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, and during the time of Abu Bakr and 'Umar until near the end of the caliphate of 'Umar.
Ibn al-Zubayr had contradictory opinions on its permissibility, while Ali expressed no opinion concerning it. It is narrated that 'Umar b. al-Khattab only denied it if two just people did not act as its witnesses, and he considered it permissible if two just people acted as witnesses to it.
And among the Tabi'in were: Tawus, 'Ata, Sa'id b. Jubayr, and the rest of the jurists of Makkah, may Allāh honour it
Source: {al-Muḥallā (Dār al-Fikr li al-Ṭabā'ah wa al-Nashr wa al-Tawzī‟), vol. 9, pp. 519-520}
You wanna read more on Mut'ah, visit the proper channel and stop derailing this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/2767419/mutah

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Rubbish!

carinmom:
Assalam Alaikum, in as much as we want the idea of unity among the muslim ummah, i think that is a very difficult thing to achieve due to various reasons one of which is ideological difference as you and other contributors opined. Let me corroborate more on the taqiyya used by the Shias, i once heard directly from Sheikh El Zakzakiy insulting Abu Hurayra, how do you then accept that person as your brother. Secondly concerning Mut'a, it is nothing but absolute Zina, do you know that the last time they trekked form all parts of the country to Zaria condoms were found every where particularly in primary schools where they camped for the night. This is discovered when they camped in one of the schools along Kaduna-Zaria expressway. How do you then accept somebody who sees Zina as part of his religion and refuse to mend their ways despite being called to the truth by mainstream muslim umma.
As a poster rightly observed, we can only be united based on the truth and not falsehood.

Wa 'alaykum Salam.

Jazakumullah khaeran my Sister. May Allah(SWT) bless you abundantly(Amin). I like that statement: "..we can only be united based on the truth and not falsehood". Kennyosein has said it all.

More disturbing images...https://twitter.com/hashtag/madaya

lexiconkabir:
And then the sunnis are in manifest error, the shias are the saved ones, isnt that the whole point of this thread?

lexiconkabir:
And if he wasnt, then whats next?

lexiconkabir:
So the point of this thread is to castigate a companion of the prophet(umar) and indirectly promote the shia sect?

You can see yourself now. These are the same sets of people you were clamouring unity with! Yet, Albaqir denied all Kennyosein said about them in your thread. You can see their true colour now! Is it possible for somebody to unite with people who perpetually say all sorts of evils about someboby's father and rain curses on him?

AlBaqir:
The deviator from the Shi'a taaifa that ceaselessly abusing and cursing the Sahabah and spread lies upon lies on Umm al-Mu'minin Aisha, are the Yasiriyah.

Lier! You can only deceive few persons. You can't deceive all. You are the same person that opened a thread on Sayyidna Umar(R.A) here that you said all sorts of evils about him.You've said the same thing about Sayyidna Abubakr, Uthman and Ummul Muhmineen Aisha(R.A. 'Ajmain).

Remember, this is what you have said about Abubakr, Umar, Uthman, etc:

AlBaqir:
We (Shia) have over many centuries after the demise of the holy prophet (saws) presented our 12 Imams as being successor of the holy prophet, it is alarming that Ahl Sunna wal Jama'a (past or present) have NEVER reach any conclusion as who were those 12 as many of their Khalifas were monsters, murderers, adulterers and devil incarnates.

This is what you said about Ummul Muhmineen Aisha(R.A.):

AlBaqir:
There is a narration in Tafsir al-Ayyashi which states that the Prophet (pbuh) was poisoned by his two wives, A’isha and Hafsa.

This is what you said about Umar(R.A.):

AlBaqir:
@golpen,
Yes I have a big problem with them, dear brother. I need answers because I just can't reconcile sahaba, accusing my beloved prophet a derailed, prevented him from writing his will on his death-bed that would have saved u from perdition,doubting his prophethood, ran away from war and left him(a.s) with his enemies, killed his family yet being promised al-jannah despite Allah saying: "if you raise your voice or abuse prophet...your deeds will be void", Allah frown and will punish those who ran away and left the prophet in war, etc.
As for me, if I follow those sahaba footsteps, then am doomed but if I follow the righteous among them, then success is mine. They are all examples for us and the choice is ours on who to follow.

You Albaqir!
Anyway. Like I said, you can't deceive everybody! Your use of Taqiya would not work! You're as dangerous as shaytan himself! You're just like a wolf in sheep's clothing moving with the sheep and waiting for an opportunity to devour some of the sheep!

I'm very sure old members of Nairaland Muslims know you very well with your antics! Even your so-called pictures are all about Taqiya! So, you can't deceive everybody!

Kennyosein is very correct to a very large extent. Where I have reservation with him is that, a lot of innocent ignorant people have been brainwashed into shi 'ism. Those innocent people can be reoriented and taught Islam as practiced and left by the Prophet(SAW). Then, they can be united with other Muslims.

But for people like Albaqir, who says all sorts of evils about Abubakr, Umar, Uthman, Aisha(R.A. 'Ajmain), who preaches hatred for them, who rains curses on them and does other evil things without remorse, all in the name of shi 'ism, there should never be any unity with such fellows, until they repent unto Allah(SWT) and change their minds!

May Allah(SWT) unite the Muslim Ummah. May He(SWT) give us strength to bring sanity to this world (Amin).

https://twitter.com/hashtag/madaya

Where are the World Leaders? In 21st Century, people are still being starved to death as in the case of Biafra, WWII, etc.

May God Almighty come to their aids(Amen).

Nice!

Miami11:
I hate watching sad happenings, can you tell us what happened?

It's too horrible to describe! Just try and watch yourself.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a23_1450944183

She was sentenced to 46 years in prison. However, people are protesting that she should be hanged!

Mods! Your attention is needed!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a23_1450944183

She was sentenced to 46 years in prison. However, people are protesting that she should be hanged!

Jose Morinho on the way!

DBISHOP1:
Dear N'Landers, please I need your assistance. I have been having this discomfort in my head for over 8months. It really makes each day unbearable. I have visited different hospitals, they have conducted several tests and prescribed several medications all to no avail. I need help urgently.

Visit a specialist/consultant in Government General Hospital. You can also do a comprehensive Google search yourself about your ailment.

I wish you well.

enieme:
but how about this?
" Surah al-Mujadalah which defines who is a mother and who is not. The ayah is a primary source of Islamic law and provides conclusive evidence regarding the definition of motherhood as one who both conceives and gives birth. Since neither the biological mother nor the surrogate has comprehensively fulfilled the definition of motherhood, as defined in the ayah, Islamic law will not be able to determine who the mother is."

The Scholars of Islam can come in here. However, I still strongly believe that many new computer age medical techniques are safety nets from Allah(SWT) for married couples. For examples. Ceesarian Section (CS), IVF, Surrogacy, etc.One woman lost her two fallopian tubes to ectopic pregnancies! She had not given birth to any child by then! Alhamdulillah today, she is a proud mother courtesy of IVF!

Allah(SWT) knows best.

enieme:
Why if I may ask?

For the following reasons:

1. The child is a biological child of the mother, even though, she is not the one that carries the pregnancy.

2. It is an avenue for those wives who could not carry pregnancies to have their own biological children. It is probably a mercy from Allah(SWT). For a woman, who loses her womb for one reason or the other, or a woman on whose womb fertilised ovum cannot be implanted for one reason or the other, we should not deprive them of the opportunity of surrogate pregnancy.For as long as the women are still ovulating and the sperm cells used belong to their husbands, with their ova, they should not be deprived of having their own biological children through surrogacy. I strongly believe it's a safety net from Allah(SWT) for women with uterus problems.

Wallahu Ta'ala A'alam.

^^^ Second View. Wallahu A'alam.

Kunlexic:
But if a non-muslim neighbour bring xmeas food,should it be rejected or accepted.
I need explanation on this
Cc:Abuklaw,Empiree,MrOlai,Fundamentalist,aminat508,dejt4u and others.

This is a fatwa from Sheikh Ibn Jibreen, supervised by Shaykh Muhammad Saalih Al-Munajjid:


Eating food prepared for a Christian festival
What is the ruling on eating food prepared for a Christian festival? What is the ruling on accepting their invitation to their celebrations of the birth of the Messiah (peace be upon him) [i.e., Christmas celebrations]?

Praise be to Allaah.

It is not permissible to celebrate innovated festivals such as the Christmas of the Christians, or Nowrooz (Persian New Year) or Mahrajaan (Persian festival), or festivals that have been innovated by Muslims such as the Prophet’s birthday in Rabee’ al-Awwal or the Israa’ in Rajab and so on. It is not permissible to eat from that food which the Christians or Mushrikeen prepare on the occasion of their festivals. It is also not permissible to accept their invitations to join them in their celebrations of those festivals, because this encourages them and is tantamount to approving of their bid’ah, which gives the wrong idea to ignorant people and makes them think that there is nothing wrong with that.

And Allaah knows best.

From Al-Lu’lu’ al-Makeen min Fataawaa Ibn Jibreen, p. 27.
https://islamqa.info/

olayinkajnr:
Yeah, I understand. But sorry if this sound insulting. I don't mean to insult you in anyway either. But it kept me thinking. I've gone through all the thread you listed. In fact, I saw your argument with MrOlai. It's educational but you sound like a Shite. Are you one of them?
Ma'asalam

Don't be deceived Brother! He is one of them!

olayinkajnr:
At this point, I think I'll stop. But I know I'm saying the truth. You are in defence of them whch is somehow strange. U sound like one of them . No offence..
Have a níce day

You're correct! He is a shia. Please, don't be deceived! That is one of their modus operandi!

EgunMogaji:
His family lifestyle is especially one of the reasons that I admire him and want to emulate him.
The truth is that not many men have the wherewithal to manage a polygamous home.

Seun:
Emir Sanusi is an extremely articulate and intelligent man, but please bro, you should not copy his dating habits if you want a happy family.

10000000000000000 likes!
Sanusi is indeed, a man!
Most of today's men are effeminate men! They do not have the balls to marry another wife, even though, they are capable, they wanted to, their culture and religion permit that! All they do is to be "doing it" underground without the knowledge of the first wife! Lazy men everywhere!

Kudos Sanusi! My mentor! My role model!

Pride goes before a fall!

Hmmm!

Onyocha:
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Inna lillah! Subhanallah!
PMB needs to call NA to order! They should always remember the sanctity of life!
May Allah(SWT) in His mercy forgive the dead. May He(SWT) give the injured speedy recovery. May He(SWT) give the Sheik the fortitude to bear the loss (Amin).

HopeAtHand:
Its not be a blogger but someone who owns a forum. I dnt want to drop names, so i dont get banned.

Are you referring to Seun of Nairaland?

Nice OP!

These young boys should be adequately rewarded by PMB. Nigerians, pls, help us plead with Baba ooo to encourage other athletes.

Hmmm!

This is very pathetic! This one of the reasons why our soldiers wouldn't want to fight Boko Haram! The money meant to equip them to have superior firepower was diverted and shared by our politicians leaving our soldiers to be killed like fowls on the battle field!

God! We need your help in this country!

sino:
LOL! Now this is hilarious
Firstly, this is not my first time of quoting these narrations, and I included the so called grading from your scholars when I did the very first time I posted "my copy and paste". I am not deceitful, I wouldn’t stoop so low to try and deceive people by selectively removing the grading because it doesn’t support my argument, I’m way above that. Alhamdulilah!
Secondly, posting the narration was never about the authenticity, I had told you that I can’t accept any narration from your books as authentic, you guys are masters of fabrications…No wonder you rely heavily on our books, and yet you still undermine us…Lets read what your scholars say about the narrations found in your books:
Jafar al Najafi (Died 1227Hijri) who was the leader of the Shiites at his time said in Kashf el ghita’a ” كشف الغطاء ” Page 40 about the authors of the four Main Shii Books:
والمحمدون الثلاثة كيف يعول في تحصيل العلم عليهم ، وبعضهم يكذب رواية بعض … ورواياتهم بعضها يضاد بعضاً … ثم إن كتبهم قد اشتملت على أخبار يقطع بكذبها كأخبار التجسيم والتشبيه وقدم العالم ، وثبوت المكان والزمان
[b]And the Three scholars How can we be expected to take knowledge from them? When each Falsifies the narrations of the other…and their narrations contradict one another…[/b]And their Books contain News which is clearly lies like The Tajseem of Allah and the Tashbeeh and …”
Now the Modern Marja’a Abu al Qassim al Khoei’i Destroys the credibility of the modern day Books:
فالإجماع الكاشف عن قول المعصوم نادر الوجود ، وأما غير الكاشف عن قوله فهو لا يكون حجة ، لأنه غير خارج عن حدود الظن ، فأصحاب الأئمة وإن بذلوا غاية جهدهم واهتمامهم في أمر الحديث وحفظه من الضياع ، إلا أنهم عاشوا في دور التقية ولم يتمكنوا من نشر الأحاديث علناً فكيف بلغت هذه الأحاديث حد التواتر أو قريبا منه ، فالواصل إلى المحمدين الثلاثة [ الكليني وابن بابويه والطوسي ] إنما وصل إليهم عن طريق الآحاد فطرق الصدوق إلى أرباب الكتب مجهولة عندنا ولا ندري أيا منها كان صحيحاً وأيا منها كان غير صحيح ومع ذلك كيف يمكن دعوى العلم بصدور جميع هذه الروايات عن المعصومين ، وليت شعري إذا كان مثل المفيد والشيخ مع قرب عصرهما وسعة اطلاعهما لم يحصل القطع بصدور جميع هذه الروايات عن المعصومين فمن أين حصل القطع لجماعة المتأخرين عنهما زماناً ورتبة ؟! ) ، المصدر : معجم رجال الحديث ( المقدمة الأولى
Basically he says That there is No ijma’a that the Infallible Imam Said something except for in rare cases…for the fellows of the Imams lived in the age of Taqqiyah thus they had to lie and weren’t able to spread the knowledge of the Imams So How is it that The Hadiths have reached the Tawatur? Because all news prove that what reached the three scholars Kulayni, Ibn Babaweih and Al Tusi reached them through Ahad Hadith (Weak hadiths) because the methods used by Sheikh Saduk to the mother books are ambiguous and we don’t which is correct from which isn’t so how can we say our hadiths come from the infallibles? …And how can the late scholars say for sure that their Hadiths are from the infallible?!
source: Mu’ujam Rijal al Hadith, first introduction.
Muhammad el Hussainy in his book “Buhooth fi Ilm al Rijjal” “بحوث في علم الرجال ” :
في الفائدة الرابعة :
( إن أرباب الجرح والتعديل كالشيخ النجاشي وغيرهما لم يعاصروا أصحاب النبي صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم وأمير المؤمنين عليه السلام ومن بعدهم من اصحاب الأئمة عليهم السلام حتى تكون أقوالهم في حقهم صادرة عن حس مباشر وهذا ضروري وعليه فإما ان تكون تعديلاتهم وتضعيفاتهم مبنية على امارات اجتهادية وقرآئن ظنية أو منقولة عن واحد بعد واحد حتى تنتهي الى الحس المباشر أو بعضها اجتهادية وبعضها الآخر منقوله ولا شق رابع ، وعلى جميع التقادير لا حجية فيها أصلاً فإنها على الأول حدسية وهي غير حجة في حقنا اذ بنأ العقلاء القائم على اعتبار قول الثقة انما هو في الحسيات أو ما يقرب منها دون الحدسيات البعيدة وعلى الثاني يصبح أكثر التوثيقات مرسلة لعدم ذكر ناقلي التوثيق الجرح في كتب الرجال غالباً والمرسلات لا اعتبار بها
“The Fathers of Ta’adeel and Jarh like sheikh Najashi and others didn’t live in the time of companions of Muhammad PBUH or Ali PBUH or the Imams PBUH so that their narrations could come directly from them. So Either their weakening or strengthening of Hadith is just from guess work or personal Ijtihad or transmitted one by one until they reach the imam, However It is not a Hujja on us because it is mostly hearsay…”
If we are to apply the Sunni methodology to scrutinize your books, nothing would be found as authentic except maybe a few narrations…
Thirdly, you should be the one ashamed that your scholars could try to explain a weak narration, by saying[b] “it is possible that his intent by it is when the woman is from a noble family which scandal would be attached to and humiliation attached to her, and that would be disliked” [/b] and this: “It is possible that what is meant in this narration is that if a believing woman was from a noble household then it is not allowed to have Mutah with her as it will dishonour her parents and disgrace her and this would be Makruh (Disliked) without it being forbidden.” How can any sane individual rationalize this?
I hope you read the narrations from your brothers (Ismaili and Zaidi Shi’ah), clearly indicating its prohibition by the Prophet (SAW)and the ahl-l-bayt, perhaps they were influenced by the sunni right?!
Fourthly, we have authentic narrations in our books, Mut’ah was prohibited by the Prophet (SAW), fortunately, same narration of this prohibition can also be found in your books, but you would rather hold on to conjectures by your scholars who themselves seem confused, than hold on to the truth! I had already addressed all your skepticism and conjectures about those who you have listed, and FYI, an authentic hadith from the Prophet (SAW) defeats any other opinion that can slightly or strongly permit Mut'ah.
Only Allah Guides!
@MrOlai, please exercise caution with the words you use, May Allah (SWT) continues to guide us ameen.

Thanks, Brother.