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AndSunGorilla:
Abeg could u recommend some Dan Maraya Jos and Bongos Ikwe songs to me?

No be only bongos ikwe and Dan maraya what of Rex Jim Lawson and Evi Edna

mostob:
Bagged already? Yea

See as una turn person pikin to bag of rice 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Joke aside, i like the look of him. His showings are positive. Tolu seems to be getting back his confidence.

Happy for him. Had so much believe in him.

Starboytwo:
Listen to some Ashake baba. I can recommend some TOP TOP tracks for you...

😂😂 I am aware of him. Not my kind of music

Papi85:
Ogene mk sense pass afrobeat

My baby tell me say, I tell my baby say, she get big bakassi, she dey sweet me like Fanta, I tell am say I be big kala and my cassava big

Lyrical contents with no soul and connection

I thought I'm the only one who finds it impossible to connect with afrobeats. All them davido, WizKid, burns boys if I see them e go be like I see ordinary person. I don't rate them at all. It never ceases to amaze me that people listen to their music and celebrate them. E dey shock me

chrisooblog:
Fantastic move! Upper midtable club that will definitely provide a great platform to excel.

If I'm to describe this transfer window for Nigerian players it's one for foundational laying. No marquee big club move but solid nonetheless.

I prefer this guy to yohana. Yohana plays complicated. Femi is simple and easy on the eye. It's good to have both of them though. I wish them success

Papi85:
I think he would prefer going into administration or punditry

He'd make a good administrator

AndSunGorilla:
Watching King Kong Ekong doing analysis on BEIN sports for the Spurs vs Newcastle game.

That's a future super Eagles coach

forgiveness:
I will send another to tell you why you can't govern now. It is because we are still under indirect colonialism.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbVAOGFTUmj/?igsh=MW9nZ2llaHFrNGw5MQ%3D%3D

Indirect what? 🤣🤣🤣. Of all the people wey dem colonize, na only you still dey under indirect colonization. If you are still under indirect colonization, it's because you are weak!

I hope you know that oyibo people were colonized and enslaved too. In fact the word slave is from the Slavic 'slav'

The thing dey pain me. We can't even keep our cities clean, beautiful and livable!! North, South, East, West. (Calabar used to be fine sha and Uyo is clean too)

Civilization my foot! Let's keep deceiving ourselves. Reality does not care about sentiments. I want better for our people abeg.

I think I understand the sentiments of those cry out on this thread that we hype our players, those who say we must aim higher than where we are. It's the way to go.

My people, my apologies for going on this rant. My heart aches. How can a people, as in a people be this way? Chai!

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I said black man cannot govern. You start arguing with me and ultimately end up pointing out WHY CURRENT SET UPS CANNOT GOVERN THEMSELVES. Your own words oo.

I point it out to you, you say I have low ig (whatever that means.) 😂😂

I don laugh tire.

Napoleon55:
If I may add,
since the topic of your arguments is about civilization,
can both of you try to guid your language and choice of your words and keep them as civil as you can,to make easier for others to read.

@Forgiveness and Mujtahida.

Our language has been fairly civil. I don't regard Benin, oyo or any other African kingdom or empire. And the reason is simple: if you did it in the past, do it now! No excuses. Anything that has happened to us - slavery, colonization has happened to every nation under earth.

forgiveness:
Dude, you are disgracing yourself. You don't understand what governance is but you think you are learned. How is that possible? This not about personal opinion but by established historical facts had proven Black man had governed themselves before Colonialist dismantled natural borders.. That itself is innovation. If you like dey deceive yourself.

Lee Kwan Yew gave one reason out of many, why current Africans arrangement can't govern themselves in this dispensation.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYkZg9rB1QN/?igsh=ZjFkYzMzMDQzZg%3D%3D

For those who would like to learn. Watch why current setups can't govern themselves.

"Watch why current setups can't govern themselves."

I say he cannot govern. You are giving me reasons proving my assertion. You see why engaging you is a waste of time?

Typical black man. Always full of excuses! Cry cry baby of the world. Nonsense!

Napoleon55:

But no single group or region taught anyone civilization rather different ancient societies developed civilized life in different part of the world independently, before some starts to enslave and colonize others.

Apart from historical legacy,does pyramid really add any value to Africa or the world

Thank you for this last paragraph. My view is simple: I only respect historical legacies when a people who inherit them demonstrate remarkable achievements in the present.

The black man really has nothing to show for in the present hence his go-to example is always Egypt. Yet the pyramids do nothing for us today.(And trust me I like those pyramids).

In football for instance. See how Ghana is no longer a force to reckon with even though in the past they were top dogs in Africa. Imagine if 50 years from now, people are talking football and Ghana says ehhh we won Afcon in 1980. People will hush them up. It's even happening now not to talk of fifty years from now.

Historical legacies must be replenished otherwise they can even become the source of mockery.

You say you built empires, kingdoms, civilizations. Oya put pipe borne water today,you no fit, build and maintain roads today, you no fit. When you talk they start talking about eras covered by the mist of time. Useless and Yeye empires and kingdoms. I get am before no be property.

That's why I decry the fact that our trophy cabinet has been empty for the last ten years. We must replenish our history with fresh exploits to inspire the young generation. See how the new generation don't give a damn about 94 set. Every generation needs it's own heroes.

forgiveness:
Because you are not intelligent enough to comprehend, and as usual spew your brainwashed knowledge as usual. I was never expecting you to respond. Next time don't come here and make jargons you can't defend with facts.

Nothing to comprehend in that awful pile of rubbish. I just couldn't make head or tail of the nonsense you spew.

Next time? Because you are? 🤣🤣🤣.

My assertion remains.

Predator87:
How do you expect Nigeria football to grow then? You basically telling the most qualified person not to take the job.

I'm not stopping him. He can if he wants. But I don't even see him taking the job.

forgiveness:
Stop stewing nonsense. If you don't know or your ethnic group had no form of governance that's your problem. As far as I am concerned, mine had and it was well written in world history.

My first response to your fallacy "Black man doesn't know how to govern" was well debunked in that explanation. Only person or persons in their right senses can make sense out of it, not one brainwashed.

Just say your ethnic group had no form of governance and civilization and stop lumping others into it. That is the evidence before your eyes.

Secondly, I will take back my words that civilization came from Africa but it doesn't change the fact that white didn"t bring civilization to the whole of Africans. Yes, I acknowledge that some got civilization from whites. Those without structure and goverance.

However, civilization evolved differently from different regions. From Mesopotamia to Egypt, to China etc. No one can claim civilization entirely.


What is civilization? What is innovation? What is conquest? I think that is beyond you because you are confused.

Let me apply your logic.

Because Roman conquered Greek, it had no form of governance and civilization.

British conquered India because it could not govern themselves and never experienced civilization in their entire history. You are day dreaming.


"Innovation includes innovations in the forms of governance and if you think innovation has no effect on governance,"

I can see you are confused with this your statement.

First, civilization and modern global dominance are not the same thing. The fact that modern institutions retain more European languages, political systems, technologies, and intellectual traditions does not prove that Africans lacked sophisticated systems of governance. Period.

Second, you are right that innovation can transform governance. The printing press changed the distribution of information and political authority. Gunpowder changed warfare and state formation. But that argument actually creates a problem for your conclusion.

if technological and institutional innovation influences state capacity, then we must ask why particular societies accumulated those advantages at particular historical periods, rather than simply attributing their success or failure to the governing ability of an entire racial group.

Who innovated gunpowder? China.

Who adopted and accumulated the advantages? European states. The same European states used it to colonize China. Was it European innovation? No.

Innovation can improve governance but it doesn't mean that innovation can't be adopted to improve governance.

Lastly, Africa had diverse political systems, and some demonstrated sophisticated governance.

The Mali and Songhai empires developed administrative structures over large territories.

The Kingdom of Benin had centralized political authority, specialized institutions, extensive trade, and significant urban development.

Ethiopia maintained an independent state for centuries despite enormous external pressures.

The Asante state developed centralized political institutions and mechanisms for incorporating different territories and peoples.

These examples don't prove that African governance was universally successful—but they directly contradict the claim that the Black man does not know how to govern.


Are you saying those political systems lacked innovation?

Maybe your ethnic group didn't experience that but it doesn't mean some didn't have.

Innovation evolves and it is never static.

Conquest evolves from generation to the generation. It doesn't mean those conquered never had civilization.

Let me educate you about world conquest by going spiritual. This is a rejoinder to "show me the retention of language and words in all form of modern civilization"

In Daniel, Nebuchadnezzar dreamed of the great image and that has influenced the world in writing and language in each period.

The image had five sections/materials:

1. Gold - head
Daniel 2:32, 38 - “thou art this head of gold.” Represents the Babylonian kingdom.
2. Silver- chest and arms
Daniel 2:32, 39
Represents the kingdom of Medis and Persians
3. Bronze (brass) - belly and thighs
Daniel 2:32, 39
Represents the Greek empire (Alexander III of Mecadon known as Alexander the great(
4. Iron - legs
Daniel 2:33, 40
The fourth kingdom, represents the Roman empire
5. Iron mixed with clay — feet and toes
Daniel 2:33, 41–43
A divided kingdom: “partly strong, and partly broken. Refers to modern civilization. No single country can lay claim to dominate the whole world. But
6. The last Kingdom is Jesus. Now is the kingdom.

One notable thing they did was Linguistic assimilation which is replacing or suppressing the native language in favor of the dominant language.

Maybe you are naive about that.

Ajami script was already used by Hausa, Fulani, Yoruba, Kanuri etc to study and communicate long before oyinbo brought Roman script.

There were written systems solely developed by Indigenous Africans apart from Ajami adopted from Arab. Don't be naive.

Nsidibi, Ge'ez, Tifinagh were Indigenous writing systems.

The Egyptian hieroglyphs metaphored to Proto-Sinaitic script to the Phoenician alphabet, then to Greek alphabet to finally Latin alphabet. Go and do research. It is your homework.

Nothing you have said here that is new to me but sorry the way you marshal your point is so unintelligent that I can't reply to it. Cheers

forgiveness:
Egypt was sub Sahara before Arab conquest. You don't have an idea.

It is like saying leave Turkey, and talk about Middle East because they are now part of European union.

"Egypt was sub Sahara before Arab conquest."

😂😂😂 This one probably don go read Chiekh Anta Diop(that's if you even know he's the one who propounded what you asserted).

You built the pyramids in faraway Egypt but right here in sub saharan Africa, no single ancient archeological finding of something as simple yet fundamental as a wheel.

Black people even say they built Japan. What a people.

Anakogheri.

forgiveness:
Don't deviate from the topic. "Black man does not know how to govern," na big fallacy.

Confusing governance with innovative is the most nonsensical thing to think. It shows you lack the basic knowledge and principles of governance. And I think you got this from your colonial masters textbook.

Innovation does not connote good governance, and the absence of globally famous innovations does not mean that Black Africans do not know how to govern.

Do you understand now? Maybe your village didn't have have any form of good goverance before colonial master brain washed you, but others that had even had ambassadors overseas before that colonial master came.

Let me educate you a little. Mere names and words don't mean some countries singlehandedly innovated something. For example Algebra. Who deceived you it was Arab innovation?

Innovation or technology can spread through imitation, migration, trade, conquest, or incorporation without preserving the original language of the inventors.

Therefore, who developed algebra?, Who preserved it?, Who transmitted it?, Who transformed it?, Who popularized it globally?

It was never originally invented by the Arabs or Persian. Na your salvage colonial master in Europe that encountered the Arab text books adopted the words.

I can mention many mathematical innovation by black man but does that connotes good governance? You are confused.

Now, innovation equals creating or improving technologies, methods, institutions, or ideas.

Meanwhile, governance equals how political authority is organized and exercised law, administration, taxation, justice, security, accountability, succession, public services, etc.

The ability of a government to actually implement decisions and provide services equals state capability.

Economic development equals the ability to sustain productivity, investment, infrastructure, and rising living standards.

Are you saying all these features were not found in African kingdoms of Mali, Songhai, Ethiopia, Benin, Kongo, Asante, Oyo, Great Zimbabwe and other African states that had different systems of kingship, taxation, administration, diplomacy, military organization, law and commerce because of "mud and dust"? Or connotes "Black man doesn't know how to govern themselves? Gosh!!!

Let me shock you, A society can be highly innovative but poorly governed, or well governed without producing world-changing innovations.

You conclusion simply doesn't follow logically.

It shows that all the world were weak because most were colonized. China, India, UK, etc were all weak because they were all colonized.

Your take is weak. I swear.

Compare at what century? Go and read the account of how Benin Kingdom was more organized that London (your lord and personal savior) in the 16th and 17th century.

London was disorganized and full of crime in the 16th to 17 century while Benin City was deliberately planned and had extensive roads/avenues and sophisticated urban organization

"Roads and avenues: Historical accounts describe broad streets/avenues radiating through the city and connecting the royal palace with different parts of the kingdom."

Do you think all ethnic groups in Nigeria had no form of governance or civilization?

Do you think all wore leaves to cover bottom or walked nakedly? You don't have an idea of good governance. Stop confusing yourself.

So much words full of nonsense. I didn't deviate from my assertion. You said black man taught the world civilization. Show me in the retention of our language and words in all the forms of modern civilization. Not Cho Cho Cho.

Innovation includes innovations in the forms of governance and if you think innovation has no effect on governance, then you aren't worth having this conversation with. Go and read how the innovation of printing press and gun changed governance and affected civilization.

Yes at the time China, India and other countries were colonized they were weak. Colonization is the outcome of conquest. Your reasoning is frighteningly poor.

I assert that the black man does not know how to govern. The evidence is before our eyes. My last response on this topic not because I can't go on with you but I don't want to derail the thread.

36 states. Only Akwa Ibom has a CAF approved stadium. Bad roads everywhere.

How can a people be this way? It's not skin colour. We need to face the truth about ourselves.

Some of you guys live abroad. Don't you guys marvel at how structured, orderly and developed these nations are? Abi as you guys walk around you tell yourselves: yeah, we built this, they stole it from us.

Abeg oo. Till date anytime I fly a plane, I'm always filled with wonder and amazement. We cannot continue to be this way.

forgiveness:
Do I believe or it is fact?

Who built the Pyramids? Do you believe they are whites?

I talk am. E no go pass Egypt. Leave Egypt abeg. Show us sub Saharan civilization.

Goke7:
Abeg Make our ex players stay away for now they too are part of the problem and if any of them get the post the others will gang up against him! We just need a sound administrator who is truly passionate and not after megabucks, perhaps someone with deep pockets!

Let’s not be deceived there’s so much money that goes into our national teams and that’s what most of our ex players are after. Even if an emenalo comes in his fellow ex mates will do everything to pull him down as they will see him as an enemy to their hustle

No one loves this country. Even for something like football nobody can sacrifice and say I come to build, I want to change the narrative simply out of sheer love for the game.

elyte89:
Wc kind pattern be dt..we re not dt dumb na b4 knowing the right thing to do..even if guys here are to be on d helms of affairs ,we know the next steps to take without going to Morocco 🇲🇦.Accountability is key here ,every other thing will follow

My suggestion is not cast in stone. It's just a suggestion. The point is, it is a fact of life that nations across the world learn from each other. It happens across all sectors. It's called a working visit. For instance, people from all over the world - think tanks, academics, students, research institutions frequently come to Dangote refinery to study, to learn, to ask questions. Even here in Nigeria, many states have been to Lagos to study Lagos model on a number of developmental schemes.

We always claim we are not dumb (in any case, I didn't make that characterization, you did) but somehow things never work. Very strange. The sum total of the intelligence of a people shows in their environment, institutions and structures.

If you think accountability is the key problem, then we have not started. Incompetence is a huge problem.

Sugarboyy:
Even in far more developed and advanced countries where structures works, some people still fails in their task. So people are part of the problems even though I totally agrees with you that weak structures are the most problems Nigeria as a country is facing

Meant to say people are not the only problem

forgiveness:
The bolded is a fallacy the colonial master made you believe.

Who governed Mali empire, Oyo Empire, Borno Empire, Ife empire, Ijebu kingdom and several Yoruba city states, NRI Kingdom, Aro Confederacy, Kingdom of Nembe, Kingdom of Bonny, Kingdom of Opobo, Kingdom of Calabar, Onitcha Kingdom etc before the British expenditures?

Do not let them lie to you. Black man taught the world civilization.

Now, ask yourself, why were all these different ethnic groups lumped together to form one country?

For easy manipulation and extortion. That's what you are seeing today.

We were lumped together because we were weak. Enslaved and colonized because we were weak. And we still are. I am not delusional about these things. Many of you try to run from the pain of admitting our people are weak by lying to yourselves.

No wonder we are still backwards. Look at what you are attaching the name of empire and civilization to. I know them - Mali, asante, Songhai, even my people had kwararafa. I know of Aksum, I know Timbuktu, I know of Nubia. All Empires and kingdoms of mud and dust. The value of a thing is known by comparison. If we compare all of these you mentioned with other kingdoms, we will cover our faces in shame.

Black man did not teach the world any civilization! Gosh! Let me give you a small clue. Language and words. When you contribute to anything, even after centuries your words and concepts will outlive your physical empire, presence and contact.

Take the Arab and Persian contribution to European science, mathematics, music, architecture, military engineering, literature, philosophy due to the contact between the Arab and Persian world with Europe from the 7th century through the middle ages, the enlightenment period and the dawn of the modern era.
for example: algebra is derived from al-jabr, alkaline is derived from the Arabic al-qalīy, carat from kirat, alchemy from al-kīmīā, camphor from kafur, Alcohol from al-kuḥūl, algorithm from the great Persian mathematician Al kwarizmi, cotton from kutn, admiral from amir, candy from qandi, caravan from qaīrawān assassin from the deadly marauders known as hashassin.

The catalogue of words and concepts which the Arabs and Persians donated to European civilization is so vast. These are just a few.

Now show me the words from your African languages (as per na we give the world civilization) that is retained in science, in art, in military engineering, in architecture across the world? Show me the Yoruba, igbo, Efik, fante, wollof, fulfulde words that mark our contribution to civilization in all its forms. E no go pass for you to go Egypt.

Please I'm not a rookie on this topic. There was a time I was in my pan African phase. Can't fool myself forever. Nonsense. No make me vex abeg.

Kog45:
Reason why government made sure they all resigned so that next election will not hold.They are aware of what you said about the structure and ecosystem of Nigeria football....the reform committee is coming up to provide enabling structure for incoming NFF board.

It's time. What we lost in not qualifying for the two world cups is unquantifiable.

Our players are scrubbing the bottoms of mid teams. Our sport's journalist lost opportunities for engagement. Nigerian children are growing without memories of great footballing exploits. Not good at all.

Go to Morocco for a three week working visit. Get their template, tweak it and apply it here.

We need system thinking, system solutions, system organization.

Napoleon55:
If they don't think that Olofinjana is not experienced enough, it will be easier to get him to run for it.
But Emenalo is definitely everyone's first choice, but to leave Saudi Arabia will be very difficult.

Emenalo should stay away oo. They will stain him. Mikel obviously has interest but he's said it repeatedly that he cannot work with the current structure. That's a wise move.

The mistake we make in Nigeria is that we think people are the problem. Yes people are the problem but they are not the problem. The problem is that the entire structure, system and ecosystem of Nigerian football is infected and has to be reformed. If that is not done it will be a case of pouring water inside a basket. The water might be clean but the basket leaks.

If Emenalo is to come, let him come and do surgical work. Put in structures and create an ecosystem within a strict two year timeline like on a contract basis. Do it and hand over.

The NFF failed spectacularly gutting the heart out of our football yet he had to be pressured to resign.

Typical black man behaviour. What a race!

At the last world cup, Saudi Arabia,a nation without any football pedigree failed to qualify for the second round. Their FA chairman honourably resigned before the team returned to the country. The same thing with South Korea.

Black man will never resign. And it's all because of the fact that we are a multi ethnic nation because I know deep down Gusau feels he's representing northern interest.

Well, he and his board are gone. That's one side of the coin. The other side is the incoming board. Will they perform? I doubt. Because since I started following Nigerian football from Omehia to Maigairi to Lulu to Pinnick, all effed up one way or the other.

Me, I've concluded that black man does not know how to govern. Sounds harsh but it's my opinion. I pray I'm proven wrong sha with respect to football administration in Nigeria.

I've not watched the jay jay interview on Obi's podcast but I read that he said that modern footballers are taught the game unlike the raw natural talent of players during their time.

I'm watching Kanu. He had two unique moves. The slow C- curve and the quick left right or right left interchange of the ball on his feet. Just sheer beauty.

SymphonyRad:
Madugu is from the North
The U20 men's coach is from the North
The NFF president is from the North
The NSC chairman is from the North

See the pattern? see where I'm going with this?

Nigerians know where the main problem is coming from but we are too spineless to address it.

The truth Nigerians are yet to face is that we don't know how to govern. We are an incompetent, lazy, corrupt people. I'm from North Central. Your post shows a pattern of failure. But this malaise of failure goes beyond the North. As far as I can remember, the NFF has always been an incompetent organisation.

So I've since made peace with the painful realisation that Nigerians cannot govern. We simply lack the ability.

Amedino99:
I was really on a fooling streak mhen. Solafide abeg overlook the nonsense i was saying here. I didn't know what i was doing.

21 strokes for you 😏😏

Dem don swear for Morocco not to win tournaments hosted by them