Marjoribanks:
Oga Kog! lol! I am shocked that you believe this POAK suing NFF nonsense.
I am also surprised that in trying to make home your point you are being economical with the truth.

1) The same Paserio released Sadiq and Boniface cos of injuries.
2) The same Paserio decided to change his formation rather than play Alhassan through injuries.
3) The same Paserio rested the same Ekong and Sanusi in matches they were declared unfit to play-- Guinea Bissau and South Africa respectively. Against Cameroon and the final, Sanusi did not play the full 90 minutes.
Finally, at football level there have been numerous examples of clubs/NT playing players through injuries. Many!

However, Nigeria is one of the countries that tried as much as possible to maintain communication with our players clubs to create a thriving environment for them at their various clubs.

The Algerians insisted on having Bennacer though not fully fit and played him! The Senegalese same with Sarr!

We lost. That's the koko. If we had won, nobody will say any of these things.

Marjoribanks:
Oga Kog! lol! I am shocked that you believe this POAK suing NFF nonsense.
I am also surprised that in trying to make home your point you are being economical with the truth.

1) The same Paserio released Sadiq and Boniface cos of injuries.
2) The same Paserio decided to change his formation rather than play Alhassan through injuries.
3) The same Paserio rested the same Ekong and Sanusi in matches they were declared unfit to play-- Guinea Bissau and South Africa respectively. Against Cameroon and the final, Sanusi did not play the full 90 minutes.
Finally, at football level there have been numerous examples of clubs/NT playing players through injuries. Many!

However, Nigeria is one of the countries that tried as much as possible to maintain communication with our players clubs to create a thriving environment for them at their various clubs.

The Algerians insisted on having Bennacer though not fully fit and played him! The Senegalese same with Sarr!

Baresi was injured in USA 94. He came in the final and played through the injury. Not supporting it oo just buttressing your point. Don't we all remember how Beckam received rushed medical treatment just so he could play in 2002 WC having sustained injury few weeks to the start of the WC.

Kog45:
The same Ekong was fizzled out and ready to announce his retirement but Alex Iwobi and Leon Balogun said NO….came back stronger but has to play through pain with a coach who make substitutes on player request sometimes despite having 25 man list.

Ekong is out
Sanusi is out
Aina is struggling
Osimhen and Onyeka were used like kilode

Saying this now is a taboo cuz the team reached Afcon final.

WC qualifiers is going to be tensed so need for Peseiro to manage our players fitness well.

Saying it is not a taboo. The point is that if he had subbed those players (and in the face of injury that is the proper thing to do) and we lost, una go still blame am. Even if he explains that he changed because some players were injured, he'd still be blamed.

Kog45:
My point here,do we need to play players out of steam to the extent they are ruled out of the season due to injuries when we have players who can do it on the bench.I’m not talking of changing the whole team but forcing two or three players to play can affect the team.

JP can do better in this regard next time.

You are right. The injuries was a good reason to change the players

Goke7:


Dude just keeps expending his energy to downplay a player even foreign media adjudge as one of the best strikers in the world. Sometimes even when you have a dissenting opinion it's best to keep quiet and let posterity prove whether you're right or wrong but No he wants to form alpha and omega as someone who knows yesterday, today, and tomorrow, real nonsense.

In all my years here I avoid tagging people as being hateful on the basis of their views but I've seen enough of komekn to know he's biased to the point of being hateful towards Nigerian players. His attack is usually aimed at the most successful or potentially successful among the new generation of our players.

One time it was Iheanacho. Then Osimhen.

If another Nigerian born player displaces VO, trust me, he will direct all his vitriol towards that player.

Yet he's never so critical about foreign born players. Those ones he hypes, lauds, pampers and makes excuses for them.


Your words in bold is wisdom packaged for free for people like komekn who talks cho cho cho all the time. Sometimes keep quiet and let time judge.

Goke7:


and 7 years to you is still a sprint? what a contradiction! At this point, it's obvious to everyone that you're confused. The more you talk about this player the more you're confirming his exceptionalism. English is just your problem. You're expecting him to be Methuselah before he can convince you he's world-class. Kotinu

Bitterleaf fc logic says VO cannot do it. But VO proves him wrong. A regular person will applaud but what does bitterleaf fc say? he says we will see how long he can do it.

Kog45:
Sir Marjori,cuz JP reached the final then I should not say my minds on his tactics.

Pls we are here to talk football and not necessarily we should be on the same page.

Ekong is out for the rest of the season to justify my earlier comment.

Yes a very tactical coach will not forced injured players to play with 25 man squad.

JP should understand needs to maximize his full team than forcing players to play through pains.

Oh 1994 team,you forgot that it takes a very good team to come from behinds and leveled up,especially in semi and final games,twice against CIV and once against Zambia.

Pls go and watch 1994 team matches again to really understand the team

Yes I did not believed in the team and does that make unpatriotic.My man it is football we are talking here.

Like Goke7 said if Jpes had played subs in place of the regular team and we lost, he would have been blamed to no end with people repeating the mantra that you never change a winning team.

Before Afcon, he set his team up to play as many attackers as possible, he was criticized. He was forced by the situation in CIV to adopt an ultra defensive strategy, he was still criticized.

The truth is that he's damned if he does and still damned if he doesn't.

All I know is that I am grateful to our players for the wonderful effort. Shikena

Princezibk:
exactly!

They won’t struggle to tag 🏷 him World class …
Meanw, super falcons takes the lead through Esther Okoronkwo ⚽️ And Echegini na Class Abeg

Asisat has lost her place to this sharp shooter and rightly so.

do4luv14:


Sir I think we have that winger already in Nathen Telle

Still under probation.

Kog45:
14 minutes play for young lad in stars studded Inter Milan is a plus,which showed he is growing rapidly

Baba I didn't really feel you during Afcon oo

Danielnino00:


If Osimhen was a foreigner, I'm sure some of his critics will worship him.
IMO, one thing that sets Osimhen apart from other crop of talented players we have produced over they years but didnt live up to expectation is his dedication and hunger. You can see the determination in his game anytime he is on the pitch.. that is the mark of a man who knows that he hasn't arrived yet. Missing those chances at the AFCON was painful, but it wont take away the fact that he is an amaing player.

If he were from Ghana, komekn the bitterleaf specialist would have been full of praises for him.

charlesemeka85:
Akin may turn out to be the AM we all hv been praying for

Solid cameo I must say and more to come

We are salivating. Once we have that ball player in the middle and a good and effective winger to replace Chukwueze on the flanks, we are good.

elyte89:



Well after the tournament,I came to realize dt we don’t really have a good alternative (I mean a local coach) ,so y not stick with him and support him to improve the team where necessary.

Defensively we are tight (although that's cos we play 5 at back). If he can get a good creative midfielder, it would enhance the team.

TheGoodJoe:



They know the pace today is totally different.

Excuses. More excuses

TheGoodJoe:


Wicked tackles was because the defenders then could not defend. Today, defending is on another level.

Maldini, Baresi, Beckenbaur, Christian Chukwu, Keshi, Nesta, Cannavaro, Bobby Moore are looking at you and laughing.

TheGoodJoe:


Because players yesterday had big spaces to shine. Today, it is not the same.

Excuses. Lame excuses. With the potato pitches and wicked tackles they had to play on.

komekn:


The art of dribbling has become more intelligent and much more end 🔚 product centred as well as strategic.

When I look at Manchester City it's like looking at a team with several highly skilled number 10's ,there is continuous interchange of positions and formations.

Albeit with greater emphasis on number 9 depending on the circumstances, they change with the game and opponents.

So we even noticed the traditional number 9 quintessential striker is no longer central to some teams and or the numbers 9️⃣ adapts to changes and strategy making him very fluid. I see this in Arsenal and Liverpool.

The art of dribbling has not died it just got BETTER.

"Go, dribble and go because it is difficult to find a player today with the ability to play in small spaces..."

This is from the piece you posted. It is not dying yet it is difficult to find a player TODAY with the ability to play in small spaces. Why the emphasis on TODAY if a comparison is not being made with the past. Why the difficulty to find dribblers if it is not a dying skill?

TheGoodJoe:


I said the art of dribbling is not dead. It is now done with more purpose.

That's why we have tiki taka

TheGoodJoe:


Injuries certainly played their part in his difficulties at AC Milan, but it was largely due to his relationship with the managers. Fabio Capello and Óscar Tabárez, who was brought in the following season, often benched Baggio because of his perceived lack of fitness, which, predictably, did not go down well with the ambitious player. The style of play chosen by both managers also favoured more athletic players; hardly conducive to Baggio’s philosophies. Tabárez famously said, after Baggio had complained about a lack of playing time, that there was “no room for poets in modern football”.

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2015/07/27/in-celebration-of-roberto-baggio/

This is not about sentiments, as the game advanced, disco lights switched off.

"no room for poets in modern football”.

And we you are still arguing when this is precisely what I just said in plain words.

Napoleon55:

I would not even include Messi,Ronaldo and Neymar jnr. in group of morden era players that Thegoodjoe have been singing about.
They were supposed to have retired.

Is an insult to the game of football by Mr Goodjoe to say that the great players like Ronaldo de lima,Zidan,Maradona,Baggio,
Ronaldinho,etc. played against inferior defenders such as Maldini,Canavaro,Carlos compared to modern defenders.
That's why they were able to dance disco and dribble pass them.
He even said there were headless dribble like the one Maradona dribble the English team for '86 world cup.

That's why he likes that tasteless unimaginative brand of football called tiki taka.

TheGoodJoe:


When players are a good positions to receive the ball and a player decides to go past players on his own, he is playing to the gallery and not with purpose.

Finito.

you have just made my point that dribbling is dying because the emphasis now is passing and positioning.

Philosopher1979:


Guardiola sold ronaldinho because he had lost his form and he lacked discipline not because of his style of play. He was a bad influence on messi.
As per ronaldinho he had end product. He scored numerous goals and made countless assists for barcelona.
As per end product I'm not an expert but even in the olden days the old players had end product. Pele scored over 1000 goals. Garincha had a lot of assists. Brazil never lost a match when garincha and Pele played together. Zidane Platini haf a lot of assists preassists creative passes and crucial goals. End product was even part of olden days football. Aba even jarzinho scored in every match of the 1970 World Cup.
Zico, secretes etc had end product. Even Maradona at Mexico 86 and napoli had a lot of goals and assists. In fact ronaldinho had 313 goals and 187 assists. If stats were taken for chances created and pre assists I'm sure it will be amazing

Neymar has 434 goals and 248 assists.
So in my humble opinion end product had always been a part of football from the beginning till now

Ohhh my goodness. I didn't know you have comprehensively punctured that his vainly triumphant but baseless talk about modern more purpose driven.

Odunayaw:
Exactly what I told him the last time we had this discourse

Even the players themselves both old and new acknowledge this point but our resident nairaland theorist says otherwise.


What modern football has over old football is certainly not talent but tactical astuteness, improved physical conditioning of players, a more scientific and professional approach to games.

Person wey say KDB is better than Zidane.

Odunayaw:


I am not surprised by your cherry picking. It's your forte.

That "opportunity to turn" that you latched on is a quote of his own words to buttress his thoughts that continues in that article



You can't turn English and grammar on its head just to suit your bias.

The point is that moments of individualism that players used to get out of trouble has been replaced with pass-abouts and not the nonsense you're trying to suggest.



Prove that the dribbling of this "old football" was headless.

Na you still run go pick videos of players that embody the old art

You really fit him cos you deftly knock off his contorted slippery points.

Katcall:
if i slap you. Neymar that showboat all the time

Take your childish stupidity out of here. Grown man seeking for attention through clownery. Have some shame.

Odunayaw:
It is not for nothing Alcantara said this:

Liverpool star Thiago Alcantara slams football and lists the four problems with it




https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-thiago-alcantara-hates-football-24355616

Chris Waddle, a reputed English international wrote an article for the Daily mail decrying the dying art of dribbling. TheGoodJoe wey never kick ball for amateur league said Waddle is just complaining. I laughed. Didn't argue with him on that because common sense teaches me to give credence to the opinion of the man who has done something and earned a name in it than an arm chair theorist who supports his theories with YouTube videos.

Be like to compare general with person wey don watch plenty war film.

TheGoodJoe:


That is brilliant dribbling.

I no see end product of those dribbling oo

TheGoodJoe:


I am saying these guys have those skills but football today do not play to the gallery. Football today is really driven by effectiveness. So these guys don't gallivant with the ball, does not mean the art is dead.

Welcome to the Grealish show.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb4X0TFsMkQ

I don't understand this talk about playing to the gallery. Did the great dribblers of the past play to the gallery? Mention five great dribblers who played to the gallery make I see as if Maradona, Pele, Savicevic, Stojkovic, Le Tissier etc were not purposeful in their dribbling? What was the end result of Maradona's second goal against England in Mexico 86? Did he not dribble to the goal and scored? Did you see this greats dribble senselessly? Was that how Ronaldinho dribbled?

Cos this idea of football being purposeful as exclusive to modern football is just an idea in your head. Football has always been purposeful - to win, to score goals. The essence of dribbling is geared towards achieving that purpose by breaking down defences to score a goal.

The only difference between modern football and old football is how they've gone about achieving that purpose - one choose to do so with flair and style, the other choose blandness. It's just like old architecture and modern architecture. The purpose is to house man but old architecture emphasizes beauty of form. Modern architecture doesn't give a hoot about all that. So you have your cold box modern shaped buildings. (old western and European styled public architecture as against modern buildings oo before we start arguing)

Odunayaw:
In my opinion Europe isn't blessed with the flair of South America.

It is also evident in music.

Latinos are passionate, red hot people.

komekn:


Agreed without question

It's essentially skill with purpose and outcome delivery not entertainment for the crowd with no end product.

This is tripe. Tell me who played to the gallery with no end product among the old great dribblers? Figo? Zidane? Ronaldinho? Maradona? Le Tissier? Ronaldo de Lima? Alvaro Recoba? George Best? Kaka? Zico? Socrates? Baggio?

Goke7:


I think it’s also a cultural thing, In South America or Africa it’s easier to allow iconic players to be idolised and given that free room to express themselves but in Europe they have cultural issues of idolising a player hence the focus on team play and even respecting the opposition to the extent they even frown at over celebration of goals or showboating skills. No team in Europe now will tolerate a maradona kind of player anymore all in the excuse of efficiency. It’s what it is.

I agree with you. Efficiency has flattened the game. Dribbling or fancy football for whatever reason is dying out. That's why I previously said that if South America had continued its influence on football, I think we'd have seen a different brand of football but even they too have succumbed to the machine football of Europe.

Amedino99:
you forgot Simon's run against Angola?

Mention another one. My emphasis is on dribbling is a dying art. Doesn't mean you won't find players dribbling. Fact is that one or two instances you point out makes my argument rather than upend it.