₦airaland Forum

genieluv:
There's a slum in Abuja, okay, what is the name, Mpape, then I show a huge part of Mpape that is not even close to a slum, what then does that make you? Smart I guess.

***** Besides, why haven't you shown the slums called Durumi, Mabushi et al ?.....You listed many slums in Abuja.... I guess you worked so hard to find slummish looking parts but were bitterly frustrated at the fruitlesness

genieluv:
Do the same for Durumi, Mabushi and other areas you called slums in Abuja, or what's so special about Mpape that you choose it and it alone amongst all the slums you listed? Smh.

genieluv:
Kibera is just so huge bro, and to think that it is just only one of the numerous slums in Nairobi. So terrible.

genieluv:
Spanish was once a corruption of Latin but it diverged into an entirely different language with time.
**** Can you list dozens of nouns and verbs in your Kenyan english which have purely non-english origin?

••••• I can list more than a hundred nouns and verbs in Nigerian pidgin which have absolutely no meaning in English language.

Simply, Ours has evolved.

genieluv:
Do the same for Durumi, Mabushi and other areas you called slums in Abuja, or what's so special about Mpape that you choose it and it alone amongst all the slums you listed? Smh.

genieluv:
Hmm, this is quite complex.

••••• Kazikazi is now saying that anyone who speak Swahili is a native swahili.

Aren't there people who identify as ethnic swahilis? It doesn't matter how other view them.

>>>> Take we Northern Nigerian minorities for instance, most Southern Nigerians identify and address us as Hausas, some of us have lost our native languages and hausa is becoming the mother tongue. However, we still never address ourselves as Hausa people.

***** Over 100 million west Africans speak Hausa fluently, but we know the true ethnic Hausas, they are barely about 30 million people.

Infact, at the end of the day, the subject of ethnicity is a complex one. People choose to identify themselves the way they like and we might as well have to accept them for what they say.

~~~~ The bone of contention here is saying that no one owns swahili language.
Since no one owns swahili, then can we say it is sort of a pidgin bantu or creole language?? If so, why then are these coastal people referred to as Waswahili (or Swahili people)? It's really confusing.

genieluv:
Kibera constituency, wow. This makes it look like Kibera is so influential to the extent it's name swallowed up others to be the name of the entire consituency?

~~~~ Kibera is a community of it's own under Kibera constituency, good ! Mpape is a community of it's own. The non slumish parts of Mpape are not a different community under Mpape. They are one indivisible community, but Kibera community is different from others even though they are under the same constituency.

It's just like the difference between Lagos city and Lagos state! Lekki and Ikeja are different cities from Lagos city, but they are all under Lagos state.

•••• So, while we can call Kibera community a slum, we cannot call Kibera constituency a slum.

Mpape on the other hand cannot be called a slum, we can only say Mpape has slummish parts (or better still to suit you, slum parts) Simple as ABC.

Setting that aside, why don't you Kenyans show us places in Nigeria that look like Kibera except Makoko? You want to compare Banana and Oranges?

***** The overwhelming majority of houses in Kibera 'community' and other Kenyan slums are built with Iron sheets and polythene bags, while those of Nigeria are built with concrete blocks, modern toilets, ceiling, roofs and a solidly dug foundation *****

What you guys are doing is akin to classifying China and Africa as the same just because both are considered '3rd world developing countries with a western nomenclature', forgetting that the differences between both are as wide as night and day.

bantudra:
am not learning swahili....thats for sure....

genieluv:
Absolutely not. There are entirely different words in Pidgin english with diverse origins..
No matter the different accent of a language, native speakers of that language must understand most of what is being spoken, but Pidgin is now a different language entirely barely understood by native speakers of English.

***** Just like Hatian creole, French people can hardly understand it.

genieluv:
Swahili is recognized as an independent ethnic group by most sources.
**** Tanzania has nationalized and nationally indiginized swahili from what I can see, so, I get your concept.

>>>> However do you think Kenyans like NairobiWalker will accept to be called a Swahili because they speak the language? Are you yourself a swahili because you speak the language?

bantudra:
yeah,yeah...we are proud of our pidgin...you can bend pidgin as you like and add your own native language to it and still be understood by others.....

thats the unique feature of pidgin....i doubt you can adjust swahili that much....

and its still english....

you do know most human beings speak english worldwide,yes....??....soooo,why limit yourself....??

i speak pidgin with kenyans abroad and they understand very well....the same with somalis or ethiopians....all blacks that understand english,understand pidgin....

68816419:
From this pic, it appears that kibera is larger than Nairobi CBD and Upper-hill combined ?

genieluv:
Italian, Spanish, French and Portuguese all evolved as Pidgin forms of Latin, but today they are among the most spoken languages in the world

genieluv:
Oga mi, but Ngumo and Woodley estates are not part of Kibera na, why do you have to tell lies to buttress your points?
**** You're more matured than that na

bantudra:
sorry to disappoint you,even whites and asians try to speak it.....sorry....

genieluv:
Besides, I'm sure it took you a whole lot of time to do the searching for the slummish parts of Mpape.
**** Well, still waiting for those of Durumi, Mabushi et al. Damn! You work so hard on this

genieluv:
Hahahaha, you know you truly want me deep down

***** Ask the hottest singer in the best music group from your country why he had to settle for a Nigerian beauty, leaving all the Kenyan ladies behind.

tlann:
correction his father's portrait and his mentor's portrait

genieluv:
Interest of only a handful of Nigerians amongst a forum with millions of Nigerians? Wow You're so smart.

genieluv:
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/93854-court_dismisses_suit_stopping_fcda_from_demolishing_mpape_abuja_.html


https://demolitionwatchnigeria./2013/03/11/mpape-federal-capital-territory/amp/

Please read both links.
The slummish parts of Mpape were supposed to have been demolished since 2012, but the case was taken to court by the residents. Do you know why those parts still manage to exist today? Well, read the links. Those areas were areas given to the indigenous people of Abuja to settle after they were resettled away from their native lands in the heart of Abuja.
So many other settlers came there and you can see by those reports that houses have already been marked for demolition in the slummish parts of Mpape, but the FCDA try their best to avoid the houses of these indigenous people
***** Just day before yesterday as you can see in the first link, the court has finally given the FCDA the rights to demolish anywhere they want in Mpape. So, in any time from now, all the residents can kiss the area goodbye. ..... I hope the natives are spared, anyway.

>>>> Thank God you have finally understood that only a part of Mpape is slummish. So, do you think categorizing the whole of Mpape as a slum is correct? That is what I've been trying to tell you.
Can you show me any parts of Kibera or Mathare or any other Kenyan slums with pure non-slummish neighbourhoods?

Besides those pictures you are posting of Mpape no longer exist cos the place was heavily sanitized when the threats of demolition started coming in.

~~~ Here is another reason why we Nigerians just cannot agree that our slummish areas and those of Kenya or other places should be classified as the same.

Picture 1 & 2 are from Mpape WHILE
Picture 3 & 4 are from South Africa & India

You can see the Nigerian slummish houses were built with modern concrete blocks and some are even storey buildings. They have modern toilet facilities in them. Look at the 1st picture, you can see a car parked closed to one of the houses at the center. This tells you that in spite of how closely tight these houses may be, they have motorable roads (even though not tamarced) between them.

*** How on earth will a sensible person classify all these together as the same? A concrete built, well roofed house with a solidly dug foundation? Being liked with houses built with corrugated iron sheets that can collapse with the wind?

Nigerian slumish areas are filled with well built houses built illegally and should not be compared with temporary structures arranged to be called houses.

sufferNsmiling:
The building is at ground floor after 5 years

68816419:
I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE REPEATED SAME CBD/UPPER-HILL PIC BUT FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES LIKE 1MILLION TIMES!!!

tlann:
Uhuru has just introduced new coins have you seen them

bantudra:
pidgin....although we dont want to admit it....every tribe speaks pidgin english with their own distinct way....you can easily differentiate a northerner from a southerner when they speak pidgin.........you can differentiate yoruba pidgin from igbo pidgin or calabar pidgin....

oga wero wero,i wan yum don ooo...that is typical pidgin from south........

we each all have distinct pidgin...

but we still understand each other very well.......

darfay:
There are least 5 threads longer than this

What it means is that Kenyans like you are enriching Nigerian entrepreneurs like seun

nemesis8u:
The difference between puff-puff and doughnut na packaging.

genieluv:
Use your google maps dear. Check these places out for yourself, since the ones I took weren't enough for you.

***** If you can show snapshots of these places as slums, I'll tender an unreserved apology to you and all Kenyans here on behalf of myself and all Nigerians.

genieluv:
I'll change . Anything for you booboo

genieluv:
Use your google maps dear. Check these places out for yourself, since the ones I took weren't enough for you.

***** If you can show snapshots of these places as slums, I'll tender an unreserved apology to you and all Kenyans here on behalf of myself and all Nigerians.

genieluv:
Bla bla bla. You talk too much dear

**** That doesn't change the fact that I have a big crush on you ***** My charming Kenyan Knight in shinning armour.

nemesis8u:
Aren't u contradicting itself ?

On one hand u don't trust western sources wrt X country

But one the other hand u base ur conclusions on Y country via documentaries etc produced by the same western sources or proxies at the behest of the same western sources.

Lolzz

Anyways cognitive trap is a second nature of human mind , it wants to see what it wants to see , and will see it one way or the other , right or wrong.

bantudra:
kiiikikikikiki....

i have nothing against good old school bashins....

i come here when am bored and ipobians are not available.....