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GERALD710:
Let us go through your listing
Oando plc does NOT operate in Toronto. It is listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange. That does not mean that it has a license to operate in Canada. Otherwise, Safaricom also operates in London, Uganda and Rwanda by your retarded logic. Oando is also restricted to West Africa. Only West Africa.
Kenol Kobil is in East, Central and Southern Africa!!
See the comparison??
Sahara Group is indeed widely distributed, but a minor player in almost all the countries it is located. Kenol Kobil is the second to third largest oil company in every country it is located except for the DRC.
As for Fort oil see my Oando comment
Plus, given the fact that Kenya is yet to produce any oil , we have come far .Imagine where we will go to once the barrels start trickling.
Banking.
Nigerian banks outside of Nigeria are separate units from their Nigerian units. Any Nigerian in Kenya can tell you that GT Bank Kenya, UBA bank Kenya and Ecobank are of zero help to Nigerians as you cannot access your money even if you have the very same account in Nigeria.
On the other hand Kenyan banks outside of Kenya are one and the same and you will access your money anywhere in East and Central Africa.
In Insurance, Britam is by far larger than any Insurance company in Nigeria.Once again, all Nigerian insurance companies largely operate in West Africa while Britam is in East,Central ,Southern Africa as well as the Indian Ocean territories. Britam has at one point been a Government of Kenya parastatal since it was once owned by Housing Finance which is a Government parastatal.
Technology.
In Kenya, THE GOVERNMENT OF KENYA is the main investor thus most companies are localised rather than being multinationals. That is also why Safaricom, which started out as a Government parastatal has not expanded out of Kenya(However, it has licensed MPESA to nations as far as Afghanistan and South Africa)
However, out tech sector is superior simply because the Government keeps prices low due to its interest.
EXAMPLES
All fibre optic cables landing in Nigeria are owned by private entities which like SAT-3 charge up to 5 times the global price of bandwidth with no improvement in quality.
In Kenya, TEAMS is 40% owned directly by the Government of Kenya and it is loved by most bandwidth wholesalers as it has low latency and it is extremely cheap, less than $4 per MB.
Indeed, Wananchi Group ,Zuku product rides on TEAMS. I am writing this on my Zuku Triple play subscription with a 30 Mbps line, 90 tv channels and a phone which offers free and unlimited zuku to zuku phone calls for only $57 a month . No product in Nigeria that I have seen can beat that!!Even Liquid Telcom provides 48 Mbps DEDICATED for $61 here in Kenya.
It is why the likes of Nokia-Siemens, IBM,TechnoBrain, Google, Cisco all have their Africa Headquarters in Kenya.Our Government takes an interest.
For example,Nigeria only rolled out a national fibre optic strategy in 2014.To date, it mainly covers the South.
Kenya's National Fibre Optic Backbone started in 2006 as a government endeavour and we are in Phase 11.It now covers all 47 Kenyan counties and the metropolitan high capacity fibre optics cover 35 of the 47 counties.
The Kenya Education Network which rides on the NFOB as well as the Liquid Telcom network(which they inherited from KDN) is today BY FAR the fastest ISP on the continent, dedicating 6MBps per student in every educational institution. No other ISP comes close.
When it comes to technology, ours is local(but with many global MNCs who have set up shop here) ,with a lot of government shareholding, but of very high quality.

BAM!!

highheybee:
Hmmmm....who tell u Nigerians believe there country is the best...though it still bests Kenya...but anything relating to south Africa has been future tense...we will soon be better than SA...that's what we have been saying but just don't know why SA who said they are better are keen on posting pictures here....like I always said,apple will never compare herself to tecno but tecno would and that's what these kenyattas are doing,trying to prove to us...but naija no get your time..keep posting it....and for SA leaders or winners don't brag,the runner up does...

Kenyattas can keepbppostin but it still don't change a thing...I'm okay with your pictures,i agree they are beautiful but naija also get but someone like me won't disturb myself trying to prove something to Kenya?maybe if it's another country that stands a chance....coz you don't

Bye...

You keep saying you CAN'T get bothered by Kenyan yet this thread has been up your ass since it was started 3 months ago. You've been here everyday since then whining and complaining. Who is fooling who? They say don't believe what somebody says, believe what they do. lol.

iblawi:
If we can have over 100,000,000 people who actively subscribe for Internet service monthly plus over 140 million people who actively use mobile phones then I see no reason why you should see him as sensible person.

We are far far ahead of that statistics. Only 35% of Nigerian are poor but that is still a huge number.

China still have over 600 million poor people which is more than three times the size of Nigeria's population.

Everyone in Kibera (that you love to quote) has access to the fastest internet speed in Africa.( Yes, in case you didn't know Kenya has Africa's fastest internet speed). Going by your logic, no one in Kibera is poor.

iblawi:
Just forget him. They want us to explain everything to them.

Do you know I just discovered that Nairobi is just 696km2 and Kenya is as big as 581,309km2?

They have been posting pics of the same area from different corners.

Secondly, they have the second largest estate in Africa after Nigeria but gwarimpa still have over 1000 units more. So they have been posting rendered images of some not completed and the once completed within the small city.

At this point I realize I am dealing with a complete clueless person now. Let me give you the areas of some of the world's most known cities and you'll do your Math.

New York (USA) 790km2
Paris (France) 105km2
London (UK) 1572 km2
Seoul (Korea) 602km2
Lagos (Nigeria) 902km2

.....and so on and so on. From the way you speak it seems you have no idea what a city proper is, what a metro is, what an urban conurbation is and what size an area of 696km2 is. Some Nigerian said on this thread that whilst Kenyans are arguing with facts they understand, Nigerians are just arguing our of ignorance because they've been told since they were babies that Nigeria is the greatest country in Africa. He couldn't be more truer.

Oxtonguy:
What does ignorance has to do with Mistake in selection of photos in my photo album your head is such an horrendous type





Can Nairobi suburban match this

Abuja

So you gave photos of Nairobi in your photo album? Says a lot about someone who claims Nairobi is poo.

Oxtonguy:
LAGOS AT NIGHT

When I tell you that you're ignorant you think I'm insulting you. The second last photo is of Nairobi. Funny you claim Nairobi is shit yet you post Nairobi photos claiming they're of Lagos in a bid to make Lagos look classy. lol

Oxtonguy:
I provided u another above RANDOM BLOG HAHAHAHA

If it makes you sleep peacefully then yes, Kibera has 2.5 million people, Mathare has 0.5M people and Mukuru has another 0.5M people. The three slums that are found in Nairobi have a bigger population than Nairobi itself. Are you happy now?

Oxtonguy:
Churlish chump meanwhile this is my source,kenya with smaller landmass has much more slum go eat urself up www.africaranking.com/20-worst-slum-in-africa-html

Your source is a random blog. I rest my case.

naijalander:
We have been through this before. 90%? Really

Go back to the Google image of Ibadan I sent you several pages back.

naijalander:
This is bullsheet and you know it. Whoever won an award won it cos they have good music.

Alikiba this Alikiba that...but the rest of Africa does not know Alikiba but they do Wizkid.

I know Ali Kiba, you know Ali Kiba, the SA guys on this thread know Ali Kiba.Who is this rest of Africa you talk of?

naijalander:
You can make your points without insults.

The ignorance from some of you is sickening. I can't help it.

naijalander:
Yeah because you have never used wiki before. Get over yourself please.

Did you even read what I was responding to? Nigerians and their ignorance.

highheybee:
You can prove me wrong bro...it's allowed...bring it on

Kenya is 225k sqmi. not 200k.

Boyedex:
Somebody deliberately doesn't want to believe that Nigeria has the biggest economy in Africa, it's their choice. You can't force people to not be dull if they so choose. And that's not gonna stop the institutions that matter from quoting Nigeria as indeed the biggest in economic activities.
In dollar terms, price of office spaces and apartments in Lagos, Abuja and Port Harcourt is in multiple of what is obtainable in Kenya. Economists know the good and bad implication of this. If you are smart, you'd see why Lagos is richer than the whole Kenya.
I will continue to reiterate, Nigeria with its myriad of problems right now is far enormous to be compared to Kenya, an equivalent to just one state here.

What a hogwash.

Oxtonguy:
Another ignorant,any body can post anything on Wikipedia to suit his wish, I got mine from a reliable and unbiased source so get off with your indomine Wikipedia

Another housing estate in IBADAN

Yet your source is also Wikipedia.lawd - when you thought somebody couldn't get more stupid.

Oxtonguy:
Point of corrections Ibadan is an ancient city and not a slum and kibera has a population of about 2.5 million meaning up to half of people in Nairobi are living in a slum but don't worry I will help you out of your ignorance

This is the kind of ignorance that makes Nigerians who've never been out of Nigeria believe Nigeria is the richest country in Africa.

Oxtonguy:
You are just an educated ignorant my dear

IBADAN

Thank you100009176651050osting a section of the better 10 percent.

shizzy7:
What percent of kibera is a slum


I guess you live in Kenya, you should know better about that before calculating the percentage of slums in Ibadan

Kibera is a slum in Nairobi with a population of only 170k people. Ibadan is a big city with a population of over 3M. You are the most stupid person on this thread.

highheybee:
Guy I never said I was right and mind you I also used m² for Nigeria Also which means it's a mistake...buh that mistake is jez with the unit and not with the numbers which means if it the units is in m² or in mi²,it will still give the same result and that's what I'm trying to tell him which you don't get...in maths the answer that you get from quotient of two numbers with the same unit is the same as far as the numbers are constant which they are in this case.... so get me right...I was wrong with the unit alone buh I wasn't wrong with the concept...in physics practicals if you get the numbers wrong but the concept follows the rules of the topic...you will be given your score even that applies in our waec so him quoting ordinary unit which in that case doesn't change the fact that it still the same 1:3 that's what vexed me...what if i had remove those units then maybe he wouldn't have had something to talk about....

People should learn to see the good in things and not mistakes that are dispensable...if it's in a math theory exam and it's awarded 6marks,you will still have 5 if you missed jez the unit....

Your figures are still ridiculously wrong even if they are in sqmi. Give it up.

shizzy7:
Okay, we've seen the good, now the UGLY ...


Why on earth should Kenya with a population of 50m have as much slums compared to that of Nigeria?

Most of Nigeria's slums are situated in lagos.
The state is densely populated, Nigeria's smallest state but with the highest population 17m and also high standard of living.

What is your govt. doing about it? @kenyanstar, @jay254, @lightyagami
Y'all give this impression that Kenya is all about "roses are red".

90 PERCENT of Ibadan is a slum my dear,

68816419:
how about working on the inner city roads first, i actually like Kenya for two things, the weather and the Good people,the first time i went to Nairobi and Mombasa,i was very impressed not until i toured Rongai,Kibera, eastligh, burubu, kasarani and many more places in Mombasa, Mombassa is actually smaller and hotter than i had expected. my conclusion is that the government is concentrating more on the Central part (which is quite small) in comparison with other places.

Nobody said Nairobi is perfect but we are trying. Meanwhile it's interesting you are worried about Nairobi while your own Lagos is a bigger mess.

68816419:
i have quite numbers of this so called "Indian Kenyans " friends here in Manchester, they really don't like you guys, they see you has inferior and will never allow you to marry their girls (except in a un "Forbidden love " situation ) i once met a Somali and he was bragging how they run your petroleum industries("we own all the biggest petroleum stations and deports in Kenya" ),commerce and trade industries, he was like, "only eastligh provides over 30% of all Nairobi income", so, why wont you support Nigerians as Nigerians are the only black people that have what it takes to challenge the whites and Indians and please tell your corrupt police to stop asking Nigerians for bribes

How much have you supported Kenyans to demand that they support you? The Somali you talk about was just like you - someone with delusions of granduer. Such people believe they are better than everyone else. I guess it was a bird of the same feather thing.

iblawi:
All this I've explained to them but the keep claiming Kenya is better than Nigeria because some Nigerians refuse to come back to Nigeria. This ignorant Kenyans don't know that many Nigerians are in Benin republic and Togo that refuse to come back too. Does that make them better than Nigeria too?

As a Nigerian I prefer to stay in Ibadan, Abuja or some other states than to stay in Lagos not because Ibadan and others are better off.

Stop lying, all you've been doing is beating your chest on how Nigeria is light years ahead of a backward Kenya and making ignorant statements about Kenya.

68816419:
sawa u own all these right
BIDCO- Bhimji Depar Shah(Indian)
Hass Petroleum:Abdinasir Cali Dheere Somalis
Serena Hotels-Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development (AKFED),(95%) Indians and Pakistanis
Jubilee Insurance : Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development (AKFED). Indians and Pakistanis
Brook side: jomo Kenyatta Family (corruption)
Tusky: dead supermarket
Nakumart : Indians

belive me when i say real Kenyans don own shit!, i know Kenya in and out

Why did you leave the rest out? ..........and why are those Somalis not Kenyans? Are Fulanis not Nigerian? Do you know that BIDCO means Biwot Daniels Company owned by Nicholas Biwott and Daniel Moi who put it under an Indians stewardship to avoid being associated with clooting the government? Do you know the largest shareholder of Nakumatt is Harun Mwau, a Kamba from Makueni? You know nothing about Kenya bruh.

iblawi:
That means you have no billionaire in the whole of kenya.

What is the point of having ten billionaires while the rest of the country is dirty and poor and with no stable access to basic amenities such as electricity, water, good roads, good hospitals, clean environments etc? Botswana has no single billionaire but it is a way better country than Nigeria and many other countries with billionaires.

highheybee:
Abeg please tell them nigerian have won MTV mama for the past three years best artist of the year and beat male with Davido doing back to back and wizkid winning it this year and also yemi alade winning best female back to back...pls where are kenyattas....only SA is a rival in music and entertainment industry....and when it comes to recognition ,no country in Africa comes close to Nigeria....you can check YouTube,twitter, for the number of followers and views....south Africa itself doesn't come close on the music and entertainment industry....with wizkid networth @12mdollars,tell me the highest networth your entertainers ever had and I am sure it's not UpTo 2mdollars even SA Cassper nyovest and aka merged together is not UpTo that talkless of kenya....

When you have 180M people voting for you for no reason other than living within the same boundaries as them you can beat any musician who is way better than you.

iblawi:
Guy stop posting rubbish.[b] Speak for Kenya [/b]not Nigeria because you know nothing.

Nigeria operate 3 levels of government.

Federal allocation to state is not in anyway related to federal budget.

Dummy go and learn more and stop speaking of what you don't know. Lagos and akwa Ibom have always had about 3-5 billion budget each you dummy.

Nigerian budget is not what you can say anything about because you know nothing about it.

In 2014 alone government generated over $30 billion from tax.
http://nigeriantimes.ng/news/firs-generates-n4-69trn-revenue-in-2014/

2014 exchange rate was 150 to a dollar. You don't know anything about Nigeria. Please stop all this rubbish.

Practice what you preach and speak for Nigeria too. stop posting ignorant shit about Kenya.

Kenyanstar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

This is the list total estimate debts owed to creditors by individual nations. The debt Kenya owes China is directly injected into the massice infrastructure boom witnessed in Africa ever. The multiple projects that China is constructing will directly impact in the projected economy growing by over 12% per. Despite the big oil reserves Nigeria suffers a huge national debt that seems to end up in benefiting only a small percentage of the Nigerians.

57 Nigeria 68,100,000,000 31 December 2012 est.

128 Kenya 3,624,000,000 31 March 2014 est.

You failed to mention even after that Nigerian lady wiped off Nigeria's national debt less than ten years ago they've managed to borrow way more than Kenya again. A Nigerian has no authority to lecture anyone on debts.

forgiveness:
Hehehehe! I was right afterall. Kenya still doesn't have up to dozen. When they have, please remind me.
But kenya dey try.

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Yet you claim Lagos that has less than 5 has more than Nairobi that has 10. Who taught you Mathematics?

forgiveness:
Don't worry I will soon show you the pictures of the foundation under construction.


If Hass tower is more than 308 meters then I know it higher than the one in Abuja but I don't think so.

Wr ass? The structures you talk of is 135m high - not even a half of Hass.

shizzy7:
A simple google of states in Kenya will help you.

Thika is a town of over 3,000 population.
Nyeri is a town of over 300,000 population.

Kenya only has towns, villages, cities and provinces not States

The least populated State in Nigeria is Abuja with a population of over 1.5million our of 36 other States and FCT.

Nigeria has Over 200 towns, villages or local government.

What is your definition of a State??

Read a book and stop relying on 'a simple google search'. People are laughing at your ignorance right now. - Thika a town of 3000 people, lol.

MPSA:
Santon 15km from Johannesburg

The last photo is of Dar es Salaam Tanzania. Get your facts right.