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naijalander:
The photos posted on this thread show the disparity in wealth in Africa. It is common to all nations but Kenya remains a little brother to Naija at all levels. Forget the stats you claim.

We are not and can never be your little brother lol. If at all countries had brothers, I'm pretty sure no one would want Nigeria as their brother - that country is too bleeped up.

naijalander:
We both know this is not what all of Nakuru looks like and its Abeokuta not Abaokuta. You have obviously never been to these cities.
You just make random searches and Google and post them, you are not informed. Not far from Roysambu is Githurai which would be considered a slum, just past Kasarani is Kahawa, which will be considered a slum by today's standards.

Those brown roofs are pictures from Ibadan in the mid 90s, see why I said you are informed at all.

I'm not saying there are no slums in these cities but compared to what I have seen personally in Kenya, there is simply no comparison. This argument is dead and hopeless.

The problem with, you just make random arrogant assertions with nothing to prove them yet still claim to be more informed than everybody else. Like your Nigerian friend mentioned, Kenyans are bringing in facts, Nigerians are just making boastful remarks. You're the uninformed one buddy - and those buildings are still present in Ibadan - seems you are not informed about your own country either.

68816419:
Man, you r too funny i have been trying hard to avoid this meaningless arguments their shouldn't be any base for comparison between Nigeria and Kenya in all aspects, Lagos alone is bigger than Kenya in economy,talk of electricity , Kenya produce 2thousands MW of electricity(few industries reasons for constant electricity) and Nigeria produce 10 thousands MW of electricity with so many populations and factories , the pics you provided are old pics , plus the roofing is nothing as most building in Africa uses that kind of roofing which later becomes rusted, as you can see the the building are well arranged , here is the new Ibadan and how it looks on ground

Lagos is a city. Cities have larger economies per capita than rural areas. For instance Nairobi's per capita GDP is bigger than Lagos' per capita GDP. Nairobi itself has a bigger GDP than many African countries than are way ahead of Kenya in terms of development such as Botswana. Your fixation on GDP is amusing. Look at the standards of living of people and the quality of services the government provides to the people before you start talking. About the electricity - Nigeria produces 4000MW of electricity against Kenya's 2500MW. Get your facts right.........and never try lying to anyone that Nigeria is industrialized again. You guys import almost everything including refined oil.

68816419:
as you can see from the last pic you cant call those pics you posted as slums its just the roofing , more pics of the same city.

Like I said, what you consider normal housing in Nigeria is what we consider slums here. Of course Ibadan has some nice places (though it's still pathetic compared to much smaller Kenyan cities such as Nakuru below and still most of Ibadan is crap - cities like Abaokuta are worse) but my point remains, the photos I posted of Ibadan are not considered slums in Nigeria but here in Kenya we would consider them slums. About Kibera, you guys have more than enough share of your own Kibera's as below (Makoko). The point I wanted to put across is your friends assertions that your lower middle class is better than our upper middle class is pathetic considering even your lower middle class is almost as bad as our very poor.


Now look at Makoko below before you mention Kibera - also remember outside the city proper of Lagos the neighbouring is crap - brown house like those of Ibadan and Abaokuta. So much different from Kenya where the housing gets better on the edges of our major cities.

Makoko
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Nakuru Kenya - compare that with Ibadan then tell me Kenya's upper middle class is worse than Nigeria's lower middle class

naijalander:
I have lived in Kenya for over 10 years.

The only thing that makes the country better than Naija is 24 hours electricity.

The Kenya Airways you spoke about is losing money fast, Ethiopia Air is giving them mad competition.

Kenya also has the highest number of slums in Africa. Consider that while Nigeria has Lagos, Port Harcourt, Abuja, Ibadan, Onitsha and other major cities, Kenya only has Nairobi and Mombasa which are dominated mostly by foreigners.

In the end, Nigeria remains a stronger country. Let 24 hours electricity enter Naija and watch how things will change.

Great facts though.

The only reason "Kenya has more slums than Nigeria" is because what we would consider a slum here is just normal housing in Nigeria. Below is what almost the whole of Ibadan looks like - Remember Ibadan is a city with a population almost the same size as Nairobi (could even be more)

Now, all that crap would be considered a slum in Kenya - that is where your lower middle class live. If you consider that better than Roysambu, Jamhuri, Ruaka, Makadara etc then you're right about your about your lower middle class being better than our lower middle class. If you consider that better than Kilimani, Woodley, Kileleshwa, Imara Daima then you're right about your lower middle class being better than our upper middle class. Otherwise you're out of your mind.

obaaderemi:
to liberia not s.africa.I suspected ur poor eyesight.what,s $10bn to nigeria when a whopping$12BN was missing from our 1991 gulf war oil windfall alone.nigeria is not ur puny dry kenya.lagos economy alone is neck to neck with kenya's.$61m to anc to fight apartheid which was the highest any country contributed according to s.a inst of int. affairs.where,s kenya in all of this?

How about you bring us some evidence for your ridiculous assertions instead of insulting people for no reason?

Olabestonic001:
Like seriously?
You actually want mine, right?
Its no fault of yours. Its the treasonable folk who is using his left hand to point to his father's house.
If your educated you to M.Sc levels and he decides not to pay your bill for your Ph.D, that in no ways makes him a bad father.
You can simply be hating on him and comparing him to a man who struggled to school his child through secondary school. They ain't mates.
Never ever compare Kenya to Nigeria. Just focus all your energy on your marathon races and wild life.

............after getting the brain transplant please do some travelling. Thank you

obaaderemi:
and we are not demanding to be worshipped,we've earned our place and i dont know why it angers u.and europe does not even need uk.hope u are not too blind to see that.

..........and I'm telling you you've earned nothing. It is not angering me, I am simply asking you to stop being delusional and living in utopia. If you've never been outside Nigeria then you need to travel. Perhaps that would make you realize Nigeria hasn't earned any place and is not the greatest country on the continent so far.

PS..............Nigeria never contributed $10 billion to SA to stop apartheid, lol. $10 billion is 50% of your national budget in 2016. You are so delusional.

Olabestonic001:
I think the young man is correct.
You actually can't compare a failing Leeds United to Enyimba. Its a crime!
Kenya the Mau Mau country? Kenya the hungry world? Pls, to say Kenyans are better than Nigeria because of those indices you gave up there is a disservice to common sense. Are you not comparing a country that allowed Uhuruhuru Kenyatta as her president after wasting their blood (tens of thousands died then) to dear Nigeria? A country that is just recovering from savagery.
Pls, don't do that disservice to Nigerians again bro.
I know you wanted to correct our bad attitudes of e-wars but you shouldn't lie to us by saying Kenyans are better off.
And don't forget that the snide that led to that infamous e-war was thrown by one of them.

Pls, when you wanna make a point, don't bring substandard comparisons. Its better to just argue your points than making any how statements, unless you thrive well in controversies.

I love your political understandings though.

You need a brain transplant.

obaaderemi:
U call $10bn peanuts?u need help.40yrs ago,lol.i thought we were talking about contributions towards ending apartheid in s.A.that,s hardly something recent.u are retarded.u are not doing a gud job here 4 kenya.smh.kenya has a measly 1024 soldiers 4 un peacekeeping in africa while nigeria even with bharam in the north and militancy problem in ndelta has 2000.check the $10bn spent by nigeria in liberia again for it seems u are sober now.I dont blame u,i blame the unpatriotic troll u opened this thread

Yes, $10 billion is peanuts when spent by a country - we are talking about a country that claims to be the alpha and omega here.........and no, we are not talking about apartheid, we are discussing your assertions that Nigeria is to Africa what the UK is to Europe. Now it seems the only justification you have is a mere $10 million. Dude, you need help. $10 million won't even make you - an individual - a great person whose name should be remembered throughout history - the fact that you expect it to make a country of over 170 million people great is appalling.

I told you Kenya contributes $450 million to the UN yearly - if you're demanding to be worshipped for some $10 million you gave 40 years ago then what should we say with $450 million? .............and to think stating Nigeria contributes 2000 soldiers to the UN against Kenya's 1024 is supposed to be a compliment to you confirms I'm arguing with a retard. Nigeria has 4 times Kenya's population - to bring it to Kenya's level in terms of contribution to the UN, they must contribute 4096 soldiers and $1.8 billion. A mere 2000 soldiers means you're far behind Kenya and have no rights to demand we tremble and call you the giant of Africa.

Stop embarrassing Nigeria.

obaaderemi:
Ur blind eyes didnt see the $10bn nigeria spent in liberia besides soldiers' lives.in 1976 alone anc got $5m from nigeria,no country worldwide ever did that 4 the s.african blacks.they said so themselves.1976 $is not $ in 2016,u slowpoke.

You are embarrassing yourself seriously. If those peanuts are supposed to make every other African bow down when a Nigerian makes an appearance then I'm sorry but you're plain dumb (and to think you quote figures from over 40 years ago. lol). Let me give you a hint on how stupid you sound - Kenya contributes $450 million to the UN alone yearly (the biggest African contributer so far). The tiny figures you quote are what individual people give to charity.

obaaderemi:
Ur ignorance is pathetic.according 2 s.african inst. of international affairs,nig contributed $61m btw 1960_1995,more than any other country in the world to end apartheid.$10bn in liberia alone to make west africa peaceful.

Is that the only part you read? You must be the most ignorant person to walk on earth. What is $61 million in 3.5 decades seriously? That is 4 times less than what Bill Gates - a single man - gives to charity in a year lol. If $61 in 35 years makes you the king of Africa then you guys should be literally licking the butthole of the US since the US gives you ove $700 yearly - that translates to $24.5 billion in 35 years lol.

Tanzania trained the SA soldiers, hosted conferences aimed at ending apartheid. If you stopped being an ignorant fool and took time to read objectively without a Nigeria-centric mind you'd realize Nigeria is even rarely mentioned among countries that really helped end apartheid.

obaaderemi:
U must be a child.ask liberians and sierraleonians.nigeria stood up against apartheid in southafrica and nationalised many british firms in nigeria.in the 80s nigeria was home to over 1m ghanaians,10% of ghana,s population,the same way u have the poles running to uk today.we shouldnt just bash our country just because we have some oloribuku leaders leading us today.

I would rather be a child than dumb and uninformed.

All the things you mention are NOT special to Nigeria and it's only somebody living in ignorance who would used that to claim Nigeria deserves a status in Africa bigger than the rest.

See, many countries stood up against apartheid - what Nigeria did for SA is nowhere close to a quarter of what Tanzania did. Currently Kenya is home to over 2 million Somalis and Sudanese who've run away from war. At some point for over five years the government of Somalia was located in Nairobi. We give some aid to our neighboring countries when in need....................so do you still believe Nigeria deserves a special status in Africa for doing things many other Africans do ever on a larger scale?

You guys need to travel and read about other African countries - the ignorance you display here is sad.

ATERI:
A massively disappointing piece! Anyway, the United Kingdom is not close to the Netherlands, Sweden and Norway when it comes to their standards of living. .But this notwithstanding, inside those three countries, people have a lot of respect for London. Reason? Just one reason, and it`s one reason alone: the role that United Kingdom played in Europe to end the Second World War. Brits rubbish the rest of Europe a lot, but it hasn`t stopped the rest of Europe from respecting London. Therefore, it`s very naive to see human development index as the most important basis for measuring a nation`s importance.

Moreover, these arrogant and hating Nigerians, how many Africans have they lynched inside their country, and what price have African countries paid in order to solve our numerous problems inside Nigeria? Honestly, time for me to log off!

So what exactly has Nigeria done for Africa to give it the status the UK enjoys in Europe

craziebone:
my dear, when people go from Nigeria to other countries for the first time, they always want to say something like that. But do you honestly think just few hours into living in another country, your mother knows enough about Kenya to begin to compare the two countries? Some people will leave Lagos for Minna and they will praise how organised Minna is to Lagos and also how more often they have power than Lagos, but to claim that Minna is now better than Lagos is absolute buuuullshit!!!!

Infrastructure is infrastructure it doesn't matter if it is provided by the government or not. Most Nigerians provide their own water when they build their houses, can you now say that's backwardness?

Again. If Kenya produces about 2k mw of electricity and they have "constant supply" in Nairobi and else where, then it is because they are giving way too much to their major cities than they are giving to the other parts.

In Nigeria, while Lagos recieves the highest amount of power generated, it doesn't have light as frequently as say Okene in Kogi state even though Kogi lets very little supply than Lagos.

So get it and just stop it already! I know what the problem is: its is frustration and nothing more!

Some of you guys are so deluded - there is constant electricity supply in almost EVERY village in Kenya.

craziebone:
Kenyans are less likely to migrate to Nigeria because they lack exploring behaviour. What took you, Pavore9, to Kenya? Did you go there to look for job? How many Nigerians go to Kenya to look for job and a better life? If Nigerians go to Kenya, then it is the same way they go to Ghana. They either go for more education, or are doing business there. Didn't you just mention it that you are exporting goods to that country? And this brings me to yet another point, economy. Those who say their economy is better and more diversified should explain to me how comes the likes of you, Pavore9, are exporting manufactured goods from Nigeria to Kenya and we do not have a single Kenyan product in Nigerian market apart from Kenyan airways?

The question is what effect do those products have on the Kenyan market? You probably drink Kenyan tea and Kenyan milk and there are several Kenyan products in the Nigerian market but they are too few for you to feel the effect. Just like your Nigerian friend exports things to Kenya yet the average Kenyan has never used any Nigerian product.

craziebone:
can you compare the exchange rate between the british pound and the japanese yen? What about the sterling to the Euros? Does it mean that the british economy is better than the German and the Japanese? You guys really need more education.

As for life expectancy, Cuba has a better life expectancy than the US, but can you compare the two countries at all?

As for power. Maybe Kenya doesn't have the system that we have in Nigeria and that explains why you think they are better.

The point is: Nigeria has a quota system which allowes the country to share around everything that the FG has to offer. Of the 4K MW we generate, 1050mw is given to Lagos. But in Lagos, there are many more houses and companies relying on that small amount of power. This means that a place like Okene and other small towns and villages that are connected to the grid have more power than the average home in Lagos even though their states have way less power allocated to them.

Its likein Kenya, there is no political decision like this made so what informs their sharing pattern is purely economic factors. This could explain why their city centres may have more power.

Nigeria's economy is not only larger than that of Kenya, our per capita is still better than theirs, fact!

It is funny how you rubbish several factors that Kenya is better than Nigeria at then finish off by concluding Nigeria is better just due to a single factor - GDP. lol

1. The exchange rate doesn't tell the perfomance of an economy - it is the stability of the currency that tells. Japan's currency might have lower value but it's very stable. So far the Kenyan shilling is WAYYY more stable than the Naira. A little change in oil prices and your currency is tumbling.

2. Yes, Cuba has a better life expectancy than America. That doesn't mean Cuba is better than America but it's better than America in that aspect. Just like Nigeria has lower HIV rates than SA but SA beats Nigeria in many other things.

3. Quota system or not, the fact remains Nigeria doesn't produce enough electricity for it's citizens. If you were producing enough electricity there would be no need for the quota system in the first place. Just like in Kenya we used to have a quota system between 1999 - 2002 because we were not producing enough electricity then.

eyinjuege:
Bia, Nigerian jellof rice is now intercontinental o.

Even Jamie Oliver cook am on air in his show.

I want jellof rice.

That is not Nigerian jollof rice. That is Kenyan pilau

LadyX:
Mtu ako na hiyo moniker amenikasirisha sana. Hao ndiyo wanafanya watu kwa hii forum watusi wakenya. I typed a message to reply him/her lakini nikaona ni harsh sana.
Wengine tunatetea Kenya na wengine wanajaribu kujifanya region/tribe zao ni better.

Thank you LadyX - watu wengine ndio wanachomea Kenya picha huko nje. Anyway wale wenye uelewa mzuri watazidi kupepea bendera yetu.

Hbuyosh:
Karibu bro. Ni Iconoclastes hapa wa ule mkahawa mwingine huwa tunakunyia kahawa. Naona uliingia humu majuzi tu!

Hahaha.......boss uko kila mahali bro. Hapo nilikua nimecatch feelings na huyo mshe (nadhani ni dem juu kulikua na dem Skyscraper na hiyo jina). Unaona vile anatuchomea sisi wasee wa Western?

Kenyanna:
Exactly. Kenyans from Central, Northern and Coastal regions look down on West Africans.
Only low class house maids from Western Kenya like Nigerian movies.
The only reason Kenyan TV stations began airing naija movies is because they are cheapest in the market. Kenyans only watch local TV during evening news otherwise Kenyans avoid local TV stations like the plague. Lazy housemaids wait for their masters to leave the house then they watch whatever crap they can find on TV. The remote control for DSTV/GOtv is too difficult for them so they just watch low quality crap. These maids are super bored and will watch absolutely anything to pass time. Plus alot of these nollywood movies are mostly about poor women they can relate with. People from Western Kenya also believe in witchcraft which is a common theme in Nollywood. People from Central and Northern Kenya will never waste their time watching voodoo witchcraft nonsense.

This link shows the general feeling of Kenyans.

You really seem to have a low opinion of people from Western Kenya. It's never good my dear - it's understandable when a Nigerian is ignorant about Kenya but stupid when a Kenyan peddles ignorance about their own country in an attempt to make their community seem superior.

ODVanguard:
Lagos slums are child's play compared to Nairobi's Kibera slums - the largest urban slums in Africa, even as Nairobi fine reach. Even SA has worse slums where the blacks were formerly confined to during apartheid. Google Alexandra, Diepsloot, Ponte City, and Khayletisha slums at Joburg and Cape town. Those slums still stand till today.

Kibera slum is far from being Africa's largest slum - that's a lie used by NGO's to get donor money.

Kibera population according to NGOs = 2M people
Kibera population according to 2009 census = 170,000 people and decreasing (the slum is actually being upgraded and is shrinking everyday)

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