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raumdeuter:
You suddenly have no problems with human right abuses as long as it's done by Iran

Who would have thought nateevs the preacher of morals who was so angry that journalists are being shot in warzones will be okay with women being hanged for not covering their head

Because I have no time to engage nonsense, especially when you are lying for political gain. Show us the women that were hung for not covering their heads. Go ahead.

GloriousGbola:
Same applies to Osama

All things considered it is a miracle the signal compromised secdef did not accidentally leak it. Or maybe he did and the Iranians were expecting the attack

Anyone who worked a day in intelligence knew what to do. You plan for the best and worst case scenarios.

Iran knows the stranglehold of AIPAC in the American, and would have known way before all of us that the bombing would have gone.

And trust me, they would have made moves based on this intelligence.

Ibime:
What you are having outrage about is BAU. You only have outrage now because you support the Iranians

Clinton didn't need Congress approval to strike Sudan and Afghanistan in 1998 etc etc. You can name hundreds of strikes over decades

Congress approval is for declaration of war. No war has been declared. Get your facts right.

And I am declaring to you that I had the same outrage, just not the platform to publicly present it.

What instead you are saying is that you didn't then, and you don't now. Because the people being bombed are not your favourite kind anyway.... why do we care?

You are either principled about the freedoms you enjoy or you are not. Same applies for the democratic processes you relentlessly criticize the others for not having. You don't "choose" when to apply it.

When you start to allow things slide, is when nasty history gets condemned to repeat itself.

raumdeuter:
So you are defending a place where women are being killed for not being of a particular faith and attacking a place where this is not the practice

That is where you are currently

In Israel the cabinet has Moslems Jews sitting together . In the country of Israel any religion, gender sexual orientation is allowed to live freely, that is the place you condemn while you defend the place where you get killed for not covering your head as a woman

So what exactly is your problem? You want to go and live in Iran so bad but the government there is preventing you? Or you want to pick a wife in Iran but their heads are covered and you are angry about it?

Tell us.

Ibime:
Keep yarning Opaks

Did Biden ask Congress for approval before striking Yemen?

Congress approval is for declaration of war. This is a strike. There have been hundreds of strikes by USA without Congress approval over the decades

You want loud mouth congress to be debating strike on nuclear site so the enemy can be following and lose element of surprise

But you are making the exact point for me. I don't care about Biden or Obama, Bush, or Trump. I care about warmongering in general. Either there is a democratic process that we all agree to, and we stick by it, no matter the issues on ground, or we don't.

The problem is, whilst we are in agreement that we don't, let's be in unison that we then cannot call other climes "undemocratic", to a point where we think we need to bomb them for being undemocratic. .

raumdeuter:
Just 2 years ago several women in the same Iran were killed for not obeying the mandatory Hijab law

If you find out that you are defending a regime that does this to its own citizen for belonging to a different faith Bahai faith, you have to start questioning yourself

Imagine the govt who does this to its own citizens now get nuclear weapon

Do not kid yourself, if the Christian nationalists are allowed Supreme power in the US, they will do this exact same thing to every demography they disagree with, including you.

But you are currently siding with them to achieve said power, and they already have nuclear weapons.

bemeruca:
You understand missiles or blast radius in general.

Just calling a missile "hypersonic" doesn’t mean it has a large blast radius, rather, it’s the warhead that determines that. Some may not even have a war head. China claimed to have hypersonic missile with nuclear war head. That said, the missile itself is not large enough to cause significant damage solely through kinetic energy.

The real danger of missiles like this comes from the shrapnel that flies in all directions as a result of the blast. Debris from the earth as well as materials from the missile itself. This shrapnel is what can cause damage to windows, cars and buildings far away from the blast area. If people are not in the line of sight of the blast, they will almost always remain safe.

I just missed out a sentence in there, whilst trying to avoid the bot......"packed with a decent warhead" IBut you understand that I cannot be simply talking about Hypersonic Missiles without a warhead.



The mention of hypersonic missiles was very specific. And the specificity was in the awareness of what Israel/US air-defence CANNOT guard against.

IjeBos:
This is from the War Powers Act.
Trump broke the law on something as substantial as bombing Iran.
You can't be for the law only when you choose.

I already responded to Ibime on this same topic earlier today.

You will find in this instance that the hate for Iran trumps the needs to be democratic, until the need to be democratic actually affects us.

What Ibime has displayed to us here is the exact reason Trump won the elections. Just like the Hispanics voted to hurt other people (until it came full circle on them), the likes of Ibime are saying Trump is allowed to hurt other people, and I don't care if he's undemocratic about it.

You see A40 say, "I am anti-war but......"


You are either anti-war or you are not. If there's a but, it means your principles never got limit-tested.


The grand problem is with handing more power to the maniac (Trump) we are allowing to fight our "fights". This maniac does not understand boundaries of power. Whilst today it is the Arabians, tomorrow it will be the blacks. Then we would suddenly want him to be democratic.

benalvino3:
Hyoersonic missile cannot wipe out Israel. Even if it's 6000.

That's because you probably don't understand the blast range of a Hypersonic missiles; you dont understand how small Israel is, or you do understand both above but like Israelis, you say its not possible, so you can justify your fictitious and manufactured Iran's need for a nuke.


We that live in the world of truth know very well that Iran can bring Israel to a failed state status, and could have done for many years, but never did.


Warmongering genocidal maniacs.

basilico:
If someone is designing a bomb to kill you , do you attack the factory or the person

Please stop this nonsense. Iran has been developing the hypersonic missiles for decades. They, along with people like myself, have been very well aware of what they can do with those missiles.

They could send 3000 hypersonic missiles to Israel in a surprise attack and completely wipe off the place. Iran never needed a nuke to do this, if this was their true intention.

But you guys have been conditioned to not use your brains. You don't think.



Who do you think started the rumour that Iran needs a nuke kill off am off Israel?...... I can tell you it was never an Iranian.

A40:
Since this whole skirmish started one side has consistently taken out military and nuclear targets the other is bombing random houses, hospitals and other soft targets.

So scientists, who are just civil servants, alongside their entire families, and neighbours, are just "nuclear targets" right?

Iranian negotiators, are just "nuclear targets" right?

When Israeli Mossad admit to unleashing car bombs inside of Tehran and killing people, these are military targets.

The kain koolaid you guys drink no get definition. Israel is bombing hospitals, schools, cultural centres, universities,...... and even refugee camps in Gaza..... but we all know your responses. Human shields.

What's the toll of civilian casualties on either side again?

A40:
Is Trump fighting Iranians or Jews? What argument are you people even making sef?

Since this whole skirmish started one side has consistently taken out military and nuclear targets the other is bombing random houses, hospitals and other soft targets.

So this question of yours what is the connection with the price of potatoes for China

Because your desire to not connection the dots, is your basis for supporting this bombing.

Oh you are simping for Mullahs. Oh cannot you live in Iran. Oh Iranians cannot be allowed to have a nuke, or they will wipe out Jews.

All absolute nonsense POVs. ......because, yes, Jews currently live in Iran and they are fine. This alone is incontrovertible proof that all your POVs are predicated on fear-mongering.

There is no justification for this.

A40:
Lmaooo fascist una. Whatever helps you sleep at night sha

As if you fit stay Iran

Sir, Jews live in Iran. You realise that right?

Ibime:
Damage wetin. More like Damage control. Get your JCB ready. A lot of digging is needed

As usual you will buy their story that they moved some nuclear materials but where dem want site am now with their skies an open field for the Israelis and shortly the US.

I don't need to buy their stories. I just need to follow the facts. You guys are the ones living in a bubble of seeing Iranians like a bunch of cavemen that need to be bombed, instead of people with brilliant minds.


Sebi Trump said "completely and totally obliterated" ..... we will see.

Ibime:
I'm in simpatico with Bemeruca and you are in sympatico with Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones

Just shows who is the middle on this issue and who is on the extreme

You see how far we have fallen in our collective understanding of democratic principles, when we openly accept that Trump is in the middle of this issue.

We bomb who we don't like. We don't need to have a reason.

A40:
Naah I will ask you people simping for the Mullahs if you will like to relocate to these countries.

Even if they are eliminated as a regional threat and #1 sponsor of terrorism that's good enough

Sir, how many of your people are you going to enlist in the army to fight for Trump. Are you going to pick up arms and defend this cause?

You are accusing people of simping for Mullahs, when you are doing the exact same thing...... for a white Fascist.

Enzo5:
tactics for next season with palmer playing rw so poorly it makes those of us who were wishing for him to play rw to apologize

Apologies accepted. I really don't know where this nonsense came from. Maresca needs to stop listening to the noise. Play your double 8s, with Palmer on the RHS next to the RW. That's Palmer's most potent position, not all this RW nonsense that is being pushed.

He just needs to have to make a strong decision about the 2nd 8. It cannot be Enzo, if Palmer is the other. It renders the midfield weak. This is why I want Morgan for that role.

Why these guys dey vex like dis? Which kain wahala?

GloriousGbola:
https://www.nairaland.com/8455330/u.s-court-stops-trump-deporting

https://businesselitesafrica.com/u-s-court-stops-trump-from-kicking-out-nigerian-scholar-matthew-ariwoola/



a black nigerian criminal this time.

for anyone who is still harboring the delusion that this is about purging America of illegals or criminals

You know when I tell Dayo that it is coming to a bus stop near him, well...... it is.

LordAdam16:
Ibime, raumdeuter, nateevs

The Guardian UK corroborates my independent assessment.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/19/trump-caution-on-iran-strike-linked-to-doubts-over-bunker-buster-bomb-officials-say

The finale is this weekend.
A last minute deal or a gamble.

-Lord

Funny enough, I have known this for a long time. This is why this war irks me to my narrow. It was started on the back of imperialistic arrogance. Some of us have been studying these events for years through alternative media and sources.

I just hadn't made a bold declaration on it, because no one actually has real life data to make sound judgements, not even the Pentagon. There are studies showing that the Iranians have buried Furdow perhaps 300ft deep, away from the most optimistic reach of the B2 bombers, and with layers of non-perpendiclar concrete casing/tunneling.

The problem has always been the constant newsfeed on western media, conditioning westerners to think of Iranians as just a bunch of wild, terror-loving fanatics, instead a people with outstandingly brilliant minds, that can outwit Israel and the US.


Some of us have known for years that the Iranians are aware of the limitations of the B2 bombers, and have prepared for it. Wise heads in the Pentagon will be advising Trump at this moment of the Iranians' capability, and what is not possible. Unfortunately, simultaneously, Neocons and Zionists will be whispering in his other ear telling him Iranians are just a bunch of cavemen.

It is why I was telling some clown here 5 days ago, only a few hours after the Israeli raid that Iran will overwhelm and destroy Israel without the US' help.

These guys will spend long sentences describing all the supposed humanitarian side of Israel. When you point out their atrocities, they say, hey! Look away from here, see what Hamas did, see what Iran did.

Atrocities don't get worse than beheading a journalist, and these guys support it. But Iran is bad.

Atrocities don't get worse than Israel literally executing people, hands tied behind their backs, and mad burying them outside Al Shifa hospital.

But but Iran.

benalvino3:
😂😂
Israel will he the one doing the regime change. The Iranian people support it.

Dey there dey dream. Israel that can barely defend itself from Iran is going to effect regime change elsewhere. Dream on.

How does Israel achieve that? With IDF boots on the ground?

Arrogant fools never learn from their mistakes. Your problem is that you still continue to think warfare is about fighter jets and aircraft carriers.

Nothing will accelerate the demise of Israel more than it's relentless naive under estimation of the strength, capability and resolve of the opposition.

Note that so far, I have not even discussed external support from Iran's allies. That's not even entered the proceedings yet.

benalvino3:
There may be a regime change by the time this is done.

Regime change in Israel, I quite agree with you on that one.

benalvino3:
You got to wake up and I am not joking when I say this. You not awake.

You are living in a bubble and you have no understanding of what's happening in the larger world.

They will get that nuke. You can only delay it. It will happen.

benalvino3:
Well, you get the point. Countries with nukes or aspiring to obtain a nuke does not go around screaming how they want to wipe out their neighbours.

Well..... now they will get that nuke and there's nothing you can do about it.

basilico:
You must be aware Iran was mining the strait during Reagan time. He bombed an oil rig then later sank every navy ship docked and any that attacked American ships. One US ship accidentally downed an Iranian airliner in another incident.
A year earlier Reagan had bombed Gaddafis tent supposedly killing his adopted daughter.
Long and short,bullies are all talk. If America acts against Khamenei he knows Trump will hit him hard .
Iran had enriched uranium to 83.7% as of 2023 at Fordow underground .What other purpose can that be used for?

Israel says they were developing a nuclear detonator. All you need after that is the enriched uranium (;which they have) and a delivery mechanism (their ballistics missile development.

As a sovereign nation, Iran has a right over its decision to enrich whatever it wants to. You have no right to tell them what they can and cannot do.

Who's monitoring Israel's Nuclear capacity?

LordAdam16:
There are recorded instances of Satanyahu playing up the Saddam threat.
Don't attempt to change history. We are in the age of the Internet. Every claim can be verified or busted.

The Pentagon is unsure if its conventional busters can take out all of Iran's nuclear facilities.
That is the reason for the hold up.
The US has done the math and run all the scenarios. If the Pentagon was sure, they'd have dispatched the B2, dropped the busters on the nuclear facilities, underground missile storage facilities, and one special one on Khamenei's bunker. Problem solved.



-Lord

To be fair, it's not the only reason.

The Iranians communicated to the Pentagon during Trump's first term in office, a range of retaliatory options they will consider in the event of B2 bomber deployment. Trump got this briefing.

AirBases in the region, Aircraft carriers, Oil Refineries, Strait of Hormuz, Israel's Nuclear facilities (wherever they are) are all fair game......for Hypersonic missiles. None of these assets have Iron Dome. Those that have Iron Dome sef are begging relentlessly for help.

Trump needs to calculate the political costs and fallout when the numbers start to stack up in dead Soldiers and Sailors, Oil prices going through the roof, wide-spread radioactive contamination over the middle east, including over Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia......


All for what? Iran that is not even a threat to America.

You cannot successfully argue out this case with Ibime. Ibime is an Evangelical Christian who will side with Israel, no matter what.

They will excuse the Israeli fundamentalist, zionist ethnocratic mindset, because somehow, they are generally better than others, and their opinion is right at all times. If you criticize Israel, then you are pro-terrorism and pro-Iran.

In the minds of Zionists, there is no middle ground where you can be critical of Israel but not expressly pro-Iran.

They will tell you Iran wants a nuclear weapon to wipe out Jews, but fail to explain why Jews are living in Iran currently and not been wiped out yet.

They will turn a blind eye when the US props up terrorists groups like CIA- created Al-qeada, The Contra, ISIS, to further what they call a larger agenda, but call you a terror sympathiser when you tell them perhaps Iran was following in the footsteps of the US. Terrorism is what the US and Israel call it.

When Israel literally handed arms to The Lebanese Front and provided cover to murder 3500 unarmed civilians in cold blood, over 3 days, in the atrocities of Sabra and Shatila, it was not terrorism.

They will tell you Israel was minding its own business before Hamas and Hezbollah came on Oct 7th, but when you ask them about resettlement, disappearings, killings and unlawful detainment of kids and women in the West Bank and Hebron, where there's no Hamas and Hezbollah, they will tell you it's not terrorism, skip the topic and move on to something else.

They will never admit Israel's role in the advent of Hamas and Hezbollah. They only remember how Iran uses them.

I mean they and the US literally only just last year, supported the SDK, a terrorist group, during events leading to the ousting of Assad is Syria.

They want Iran to be peace-loving like Saudi, a US-Israeli ally. But when MDS literally beheads Jamal Khashoggi, a journalist, in an embassy, it's not terrorism. This is the type of practice they are complaining Iran does not belong to.

The hypocrisy!

Who exactly are the terrorists?

basilico:
If you backtrack as you normally do looking for anything to discredit me, I have been very supportive of Iranians. They have high rates of education with women being more in universities and they like secularism. The Ayatollahs imposed a theocracy , patriarchy in the Iranian society and his Basiji moral police enforce archaic medieval dress codes for women in public streets.
Seventies vs today for Iran.

Oh the Irony of you siding with and voting alongside Evangelical radicals in the US who want to own women's bodies and send them back into the kitchen.

It's like religious fanatism only gets airtime with you guys when it's Islam. All the whole, you are bonafide card-carrying members of the Hand Made Tale gang.