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Ibime:
From Napoli through Benfica through Barcelona to Bayern, your man was a nonentity. Congratulations to him for few assists in group stage 5-0 win against Genk, but unfortunately he won't be remembered as being important to our UCL win. These are the facts. Only JT red card or Malouda substitute appearance prevented him being the worst player on the pitch in the key games.

Ibime:
Sorry, we won't use Genk group stage match to rate contribution to our UCL win. Below are the matches that won the UCL and Mata was useless. Go and choke on it.

kushercain:
Guy lock up jare, how can you claim Lampard was a fraud in our Ucl win. Seriously?? You messed up big time with that assertion, of the dome I can recall Lampard corner assist for Terry header + his penalty against Napoli, his assist to Ramirez against barca at the stroke of halftime which gave us small hope cos we were dead and buried before that. Mata's only highlight would be the corner in the final.
overall Mata might have had a better season than Frank, but you can't come here and tell us he was our most important midfielder IN THE UCL. That agenda will not fly sir. Kolework

Exonerate1:
This wasn't needed. The argument was about Mata's importance in our UCL win (especially in the big games)

FBS:
It was my birthday and spent a good part of it ice skating under a beautiful winter weather.

Nothing beats nature.

Ibime:
Then you are very myopic and talking absolute nonsense of kpoli grade

Mikel, Lampard, Meireles worked their socks off while Mata couldn't cope and was being dragged off for Kalou early in games.

Vs Barcelona first leg, Lampard robbed Messi on a dribble in midfield and played a visionary ball to Ramires on the left wing to cross for Drogba. This is what made the goal, a combination of hustle and vision. Men remember these details while children just reel off nonsense stats vs Genk from Wikipedia. Watch it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vnbuZUfTNI


2nd leg, he did not just assist Ramires cos someone gave him ball, he robbed Xavi on a dribble to play in Ramires. That's the combination of work and vision these guys were putting in while Mata was causing dangerous overloads and weakness on his side and was a nonentity both attacking and defensive wise.

Both those goals which took us through vs Barca were made by Lampards hustle and vision.

Lampard missed the whole group stage cos he was fighting with AVB, otherwise you won't be bringing Matas inconsequential stats racked up against Genk here

Just keep quiet about Mata in that UCL run. He was a nonentity, and you are just exposing either your age or cluelessness by continuing to push his importance. Someone we celebrated when Kalou was being readied to replace him cos he couldn't cope.

raumdeuter:
What is the importance of the Leverkusen game you lost? Will it stop you from qualifying?. You lost yet topped the group

Ibime:
Good. Since you know that it was bus parking from start to finish, tell me what Mata has to contribute to that?

I'm not here to argue about Matas the player. His career speaks for itself, but you will not come and tell us nonsense about who was important in our UCL victory. We were parking bus, and Mara couldn't cope, nor did he have the legs or speed to make any attacking impact from a deep position. Even the passes to Ramires for both goals we scored on counterattack vs Barca came from Lampard. Of what use is a Mata in a team that kept 20% possession?

Simple fact, he was useless in that UCL campaign. Go and celebrate his assists in Group stage against Genk elsewhere. We are here to talk about who was consequential in the UCL victory not who assisted in a 5-0 win vs Genk.

raumdeuter:
The statement in bold shows you dont remember much from that season

You won the away leg 1-0 and was tied 1-1 in the home leg until the 93rd min winner by Mereiles

Ibime:
We were dead and buried in UCL after Napoli first leg which is when AVB got the sack.

Anything else you want to say is for children and Wikipedia revisionists

We grown men know that when we talk about that UCL campaign, we are talking from Napoli 2nd leg when RDM came in onward. We don't even need to count Benfica. Napoli 2nd leg, both legs against Barca and Bayern is what counts and Mata was a liability throughout. You have to have been a MAN to observe that, not a child.



Mad talk. Meireles was more important than Mata before we even come to Ramires, Mikel and Lampard. Bodied ke, with half his goal contribution coming in 5-0 win over Genk in group stage and being a liability when it was time to face men.

I repeat. The reason you have to have been a man to speak with any authority about 2012 is because it was a bus parking exercise throughout and children will not appreciate that every second of those matches carry tactical and defensive responsibility which Mata wasn't meeting. Children only remember attacking highlights. Men take cognisance of everytime someone is beaten, overpowered or overloaded on their wing, couldn't press quick enough etc which led to dangerous situations and Mata was guilty throughout which is why RDM had to haul him off early for Kalou who could cope better.

Ibime:
Nobody is talking about best midfielder that season. We are talking about who was important to our UCL victory and Wikipedia teenagers had the gall to mention Mata's name.

If you want to talk about Matas season specifically, fine. Just remember we finished 6th that year. That's what happens when you pad stats against small teams you would have defeated anyway but disappear when big boys are playing. That's why he was shunted off to Manure and became a perennial substitute. A man in the body of a 12 year old boy who only thrives when the going is easy and becomes a liability when the games are tough.

Ibime:
Wikipedia talk for those who were teenagers then.

Our UCL campaign started from Napoli 2nd leg after we were dead and buried in the first leg, and Mata was useless from that point on when the real men showed themselves.

Ibime:
In which games?

Group stage?

If you were too young or not a Chelsea fan, let those who watched tell you who was consequential. Of all 11 players, he was the biggest passenger whose wing was always leaking. Taking a corner in the final doesn't change that. Even Bosingwa and Meireles will hold their head high compared to Mata in that competition, and in games where Kalou came on for him, we saw instant improvement.

Vs Napoli 4-1, he was benched as Drogba and Lampard each got a goal and assist

Vs Benfica 1-0, he did nothing as Kalou scored. 2nd leg 2-1, he did nothing and was substituted for Meireles who scored

Vs Barcelona first leg, his wing was leaking all game and was dragged off for Kalou who shored up his wing. Vs Barcelona 2-2, his wing was leaking and was dragged off early after 50 something minutes for Kalou who secured his wing.

Vs Bayern his wing was leaking all game and his only contribution was swinging in an average corner and Drogba did all the work with a bullet header.

Leave the story for those who watched every minute as fans and as grown men. Mata was our most useless starting player in the UCL run from Napoli 2nd leg onward. Bosingwa, Meireles and Kalou contributed more than him, not to talk of Cech, Drogba, Lampard, Ramires and Mikel who were the main protagonists. If it's bullying small teams in Group stage or league, we know Mata for that, but when playing tough games against strong men with backs are to the wall, Mata was the weak link.

CapitalCee:
No mind them. I remember very clearly Mata was very important. He even won Chelsea footballer of the season how is he inconsequential?

Ibime:
Mata dragged what?

Bikonu respect yourself.

Mata was the most inconsequential player in our UCL run.

airmark:


He will take us back to UCL again.

Raumdeuter ngbo?

CapitalCee:
Lol. Mourinho and Pep are leagues and by far have greater managerial careers than Klopp. Klopp won just 5 major trophies Mourinho won 20 plus small small ones wey i no wan count.

CapitalCee:
Mata Scored and Assisted in the Final of Euros. Assisted drogbas goal in UCL finals.

Ballack played 2 UCL finals and did nothing, played Euros final and did nothing.

By your logic Mata >>>>>> Balkack

CapitalCee:
So Di matteo is better than Allegri and Conte?

CapitalCee:
Klopp's trophy return has been poor.

raumdeuter:
And CL is the king of European trophies

Klopp CL winner, tell us about Emery and Cuntay

raumdeuter:
How many times has Klopp bullied Emery?

swiz123:
Klopp bringing home the EPL to Anfield after 30 years far outdo what other managers you mentioned did.

Stop using calculator to judge achievements. Comparing Klopp to Emery because of numerical calculations is an insult to common sense.

raumdeuter:
1 gold medal is greater than 10 bronze

What are the achievements of these coaches in the CL

raumdeuter:
Klopp has managed Mainz Dortmund and Liverpool
He has won 1 CL and made 3 CL finals

Allegri + Emery + Cuntay = 0 CL and 2 finals Managing Sevilla, PSG, Chelsea Juventus Inter AC Milan

raumdeuter:
Klopp is better than you are giving him credit for.

Allegri, Emery even the court jester Cuntay cannot be compared to Klopp abeg.
Klopp has played 3 CL finals, Cuntay has not even played a semi in his career despite coaching Chelsea Juventus and Inter Milan

Amoto94:
Klopp teams usually decline in a manner unexpected them. Guardiola's influence is evident in Spain and Germany's world cup wins. Where Klopp edge it is his friendly relationship with players as for technical and tactical improvements Pep edges him. I have read books detailing their careers so far and I have watch them at their peak (Pep's peak was at Barcelona and Klopp's peak was at Dortmund forget the UCL and EPL) so my decision is based on that

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