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Maybe we had a local variety that takes years to grow and doesn't get big.


Maybe they introduced a new specie

Healthquest:
Abeg ooooo, is 18k as salary okay for an NCE holder in port Harcourt? She finished 2017 and has a lot of experience, due to distance, a neighboring Sch is offering her 18k to take der Nur2 7:30am to 2:00pm.
Kindly advice, I can still Leave ds Job ooo

It too poor. But if she won't take transport, and if the workload is not too much, she can use the extra time after closing from school to do another work, or run home lesson. Who knows there may be a parent willing to pay more than that for home lesson.


She needs encouragement

Nice Crib.

I learnt if you use postinor more than twice in a week, it can affect the normal timing.

rottennaija:
They is no credibility, so nothing to discredit. For a religion that in its 130 years of existence has dedicating its time to criticising every other religion to the exclusion of their own? They should be able to handle criticism. Besides, they have the work of discrediting other religion, they have been doing it for more than 13 decades, I don't need to assist them. My work is to subject their beliefs and policies under intense scrutiny.

You are welcome to do that. Visit www.jw.org for more of our beliefs. Enjoy

[quote author=Emusan post=104175837]

Just say you can't provide answers to my questions.

I already did. Put your questions in a list. I can direct you to Bible verses that answer them.

No! I started with you on your claim that watchtower didn't claim to be inspired, which I've provided more than three quotes from different years showing they actually CLAIMED TO BE INSPIRED

. The quotes did not say anything like that. Maybe you should look further.

It won't make sense because you can see through the glass of lies you're propagating

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Lies? Like what and what?

Is it my question about what is the difference between DIVINE INSPIRATION and to be GUIDED, DIRECTED, AND HELPED that doesn't make sense?

Just borrow a dictionary and flip through. It's simple English. You can do it. Just try.

But you can go back to the 1st century.

Of course, the Bible is the true word of God. I doubt if you believe in it. But we all have free will, so .. your choice

I understand you completely

so why are you feigning ignorance? You think that's funny? Shior

Very well!

But in the mean time, you agreed that those 8 men are GUIDED...

Which eight men?

So don't forget to answer my question on that.

Look in the dictionary, read the Bible, your problem is not a serious one.

rottennaija:
He is talking about the editors who claimed were God's channel of communication and who today's editor also claimed were God's channel of communication. I once asked a circuit overseer what's the difference between being God's channel of communication and being inspired. He was just looking at me...

So maybe you can answer. What's the difference between being God's channel of communication and being inspired?

It's a simple matter of grammar. I guess he is tired of you going in circles. I've met many people like you. Not surprised

Emusan:
The tactics is they know the truth but they must defend watchtower by all cost.

How can an educated person say DIVINE INSPIRATION is different GUIDANCE?

That's why I asked him, what does it mean to be GUIDED?

The word DIVINE according to marriam-dictionary:
a: of, relating to, or proceeding directly from God (see GOD entry 1 sense 1) or a god (see GOD entry 1 sense 2)

Now compare this with different claim of watchtower below

[color=green][b]1. Under the guidance of his holy
2. holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave
3. "Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing Bible truths to light."
4. Jehovah's organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God's holy spirit
5. "faithful and discreet slave" guided by Jehovah's unerring spirit
6. "The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people"
7. And many more!

I don't know how someone will read something like this and still claimed they never claimed to be INPSIRED.

And many more... And many more what? Why don't you put a direct link to your quotes so one can know if you fabricated them or conjured them in your 'critical thinking' mind.

rottennaija:
They is no credibility, so nothing to discredit. For a religion that in its 130 years of existence has dedicating its time to criticising every other religion to the exclusion of their own? They should be able to handle criticism. Besides, they have the work of discrediting other religion, they have been doing it for more than 13 decades, I don't need to assist them. My work is to subject their beliefs and policies under intense scrutiny.

Have fun doing that

rottennaija:
In the face of repeated failures, they have to deny, deflect, minimise and even pretend. Some of these are done subconscious, because they cannot face the reality that they could be wrong.

I was discussing with a jw lady some months ago, we spoke over different subjects. I asked her, what if you are wrong? I admitted several that I could be wrong and if I'm wrong, it's end game for me. However, what if you are wrong? She never, could not entertain the idea she could be wrong.

Well no one is infallible. Many Jews were stumbled because Jesus did not look like the Messiah they were expecting. Some chose to follow him, some chose to work against him. You will be responsible for your own choice alone

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None of what you put up here provides a legitimate counter argument

Says you, the judge. If you ask a question and I answer it, is it not innane to keep asking the same question I already addressed? What's my business with counter argument?

. It's simply just another appeal to emotion. Emusan ask valid questions regarding the claims made by your religion. Today they claimed to be guided by God's spirit in their believes. It was the same claim made in the 1930s. Yet, when you compare their believes then and today, it is unthinkable that a group guided by God's spirit to reach those conclusions and beliefs would discard them today.

Practising birthdays and Christmas were ideas carried over from Christendom. When you find out a belief is wrong, you discard it. When it was time for the Israelites to stop offering animal sacrifices, the Christian's among them stopped. It is an actual proof that they have God's holy spirit

Which begs the question, who really were the sources of this believes? Was it God, who cannot lie and his spirit would not lead people to errors or was it men who came up with doctrines and cover them with the cloud of divine guidance so that it would be accepted without resistance?

Irrelevant. The information in the old testament and the new testament shows that God expects his people to apply new information

The implications of these are far reaching. If what had believed by the JWs of that time can be discarded in the excuse of New light, its evident it had no divine guidance, what assurances do you have that the believes you hold so dear today will not be discarded in the future?

Don't be confused. No one mentioned new light. You can confuse yourself if you want. No one is talking about new light. We simply know that God reveals the truth gradually and refusing to accept it means you don't want to be saved. It's not compulsory.

To get answers, it requires critical thinking which Emusan is trying stir in Nezero mind. This is the crux of the matter, this is what Emusan is trying to get across.

To get answers you should rely on the Bible. What you call 'critical thinking' may very well be without merit.

But you come along, content with lack of critical thinking ability and want Nezero to continue in the same direction. You don't want him to ask the questions Emusan is asking, and you don't want him to get the answers still.

In the end everyone will be responsible for what he chooses to believe. Each one will carry his own load.

Emusan:
Next time you're quoting me, quote properly.



And if the foundation of a belief is wrong no matter what you build on it, it will always be wrong.



Definitely, so why do your TEACHINGS do change?

Does it mean the people behind the watchtower publications don't have access to this UNCHANGING information in the Bible before going to printing press?



But you said earlier that Bible information don't change, which means no matter how many times scientifical discoveries getting updated, the information will ALWAYS BE IN LINE with the Bible.

You just confirmed that Watchtower society are just doing guess work, while hidding under the guidance, help & direction of Holy Spirit, Jehovah, and invisible Jesus.

You keep running around in circles. I say one thing and you attack another. Much of what you say makes no sense. Running around with a 1930s publications and expecting me to explain it to you.

Why don't you go back to the 1930s to challenge the editor. I would reply you, but I would rather talk to someone who can actually reason.


And the good thing is, such people can compare your arguments with my response and figure things out for themselves.

MightySparrow:
Most of their teachings are mere conjectures. They spend billions of dollars to publish gibberish stuffs..
New members on Nairaland will not allow people to rest dishing out ignorance with confidence.

Lloyd Evans and a host of them that have escaped delusion are called names. So many lazy dudes here would not dig into the history of their organisation but take joy in condemning other churches and leaders.

Talk is cheap.

[quote author=Emusan post=104163444]

I'm sure you can't provide reasonable answers to those questions.

if the premise of an argument is wrong, then the conclusion will definitely be wrong. If the question is unreasonable.. then you can't have the answers you want.

Before you can't deny not trusting in the Bible, then why can't you trust in your OLD PUBLICATIONS which is the product of the same Jehovah, Holy Spirit, and Invisible Jesus?

The subject is about Dinosaurs. The information from the Bible has not changed. Scientific discoveries keep getting updated. Understanding new scientific discoveries in the light of the Bible can and should be updated.


That's all I am saying

[quote author=Emusan post=104157250]

You called a clear contradictions like this A FANTASTIC STUFF, how was it fantastic

A reasonable person avoids statements like this.. 'clear' contradictions? Let others reason for themselves.

Is it that you don't know much about your organization or you decided to be lying?

lie ke? So what and what could happen? What if you are the one being ignorant here?

Here are few claims of JWs for inspiration:

Divine Inspiration? I don't see anything like that in your quotes, I see guidance.. We have never claimed infallibility. Jesus disciples themselves had wrong expectations like I said earlier. "LORD, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” (Acts 1:6)"... This does not mean they do not have God's holy spirit or approval.

“Under the guidance of his holy spirit and on the basis of his Word of truth, Jehovah provides what is needed so that all of God's people may be "fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought" and remain "stabilized in the faith." (1 Cor 1:10; Col. 2:6,7) Surely we are grateful for Jehovah's spiritual provisions in these last days. Kingdom Ministry Sep 2007 p.3 US Edition.

"When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they learn, they publish for the benefit of all." Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 p.22-23

"Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing Bible truths to light." Watchtower 2010 Apr 15 p.10

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

. You seem bent on confusing yourself.

So who should we believe, you or watchtower?

we? Who is we?

But you can rely on Bible which is more older than that.

Why not. It is inspired of God. Sometimes God dictated the words. Sometimes he revealed it to people miraculously and they pen it down tastefully. Don't be stumbled abeg. The Bible is divinely inspired. And that's what we rely on, and encourage you to rely on.

Isn't watchtower claimed that the way the early Christians were inspired and directed is the same way the 8 slaves men in Brooklyn (sorry My York) are directed and inspired?

. I can't make any sense from what you wrote.

So why won't you rely on the same publications that is the WORK OF HOLY SPIRIT, JEHOVAH AND INVISIBLE JESUS

OR

Should we then say those publications aren't the work of Jehovah, Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ?

I do. But like I said, a child of God can have wrong expectations at times. The only problem is if you have a better understanding and continue to wallow in the wrong information like you are doing. We used to celebrate birthdays and Christmas. We stopped all of that. We didn't preach from house to house before. We do now. That's progressive do t you think. But we have left you behind haven't we?

Why adjustments in the first place?

Read that scripture again

NOTICE: "THEY HAD WRONG UNDERSTANDING AND EXPECTATIONS" but do they TEACH AND PEN DOWN WRONG THINGS

well it is on record somewhat.. if it weren't we wouldn't have known.

Has it cross your mind that this scripture didn't say NEW LIGHT CONTRADICTED THE OLD LIGHT?

in this case, your NEW LIGHT contradicted YOUR OLD LIGHT,

The Bible is the light. It has not changed. Our understanding improves. There is no old light or new light. Don't fabricate stuff.

The disciples thought it was okay to use a sword to defend Jesus. Later they learnt they weren't supposed to. The disciples thought it was okay not to preach to gentiles nor mingle with them. Later they had to.


Feel me?

Will you have trust Bible if what the Apostles pen down contradicted each other?

Enjoy contradictions ke, do you?

fallacy of hasty generalisation

Emusan:
You called a clear contradictions like this A FANTASTIC STUFF, how was it fantastic



Is it that you don't know much about your organization or you decided to be lying?

Here are few claims of JWs for inspiration:

“Under the guidance of his holy spirit and on the basis of his Word of truth, Jehovah provides what is needed so that all of God's people may be "fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought" and remain "stabilized in the faith." (1 Cor 1:10; Col. 2:6,7) Surely we are grateful for Jehovah's spiritual provisions in these last days. Kingdom Ministry Sep 2007 p.3 US Edition.

"When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they learn, they publish for the benefit of all." Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 p.22-23

"Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing Bible truths to light." Watchtower 2010 Apr 15 p.10

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

So who should we believe, you or watchtower?



But you can rely on Bible which is more older than that.

Isn't watchtower claimed that the way the early Christians were inspired and directed is the same way the 8 slaves men in Brooklyn (sorry My York) are directed and inspired?

So why won't you rely on the same publications that is the WORK OF HOLY SPIRIT, JEHOVAH AND INVISIBLE JESUS

OR

Should we then say those publications aren't the work of Jehovah, Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ?



Why adjustments in the first place?



NOTICE: "THEY HAD WRONG UNDERSTANDING AND EXPECTATIONS" but do they TEACH AND PEN DOWN WRONG THINGS



Has it cross your mind that this scripture didn't say NEW LIGHT CONTRADICTED THE OLD LIGHT?

in this case, your NEW LIGHT contradicted YOUR OLD LIGHT,

Will you have trust Bible if what the Apostles pen down contradicted each other?



Enjoy contradictions ke, do you?

Of course we trust the Bible. If what we believe in pains you, then I cannot help you.

Thank you for sharing such fantastic stuff from Jehovah's witnesses publications history.


They do not claim to be inspired, they simply believe in the Bible and look for answers therein.


By the way, generally Jehovah's witnesses do not rely on publications that are that old. Like 1920s, 1930s.
That's like a hundred years ago.


More available information must have helped them adjust their views.

Jesus disciples also had wrong understanding and expectations at times. God reveals things gradually.

Proverbs 4:18 says: “The path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established"

I hope others enjoyed the article too.

Choi

Enlightening

Zimri:
GREEK FIRE

Phosphorus is currently being used as an incendiary bomb. It burns on exposure to the atmosphere. It cannot be put out for long. It catches fire spontaneously

tplayer:
Titles and silly positions are plenty in all these moronic grants na.

Check out some of the strange and funny leadership positions in TELPECON. Got it from their website (TELPECON dot org).

Elizabeth Praise (mama ishiba) is a Prof and a diplomat in TELPECON . In case you don't know, she's the lady with the HIV cure. Yes! Hundreds have been cured already. Order for some vials/capsules when you start collecting your fake grant o.

Enjoy the list

*** GM: HOST COMMUNITY, TRADITIONAL LEADERS & REHABILITATION
MRS DOMINION DAVID ISHAYA Bsc.


*** GM: CONFERENCE, SEMINAR & INDUSTRY
REV DR. OKAH SAMSON D. THEOLOGY


**** GM: FOREIGN SERVICE, DIASPORAS AND INTERNATIONAL MISSIONS
PROF. ELIZABETH NGOZI PRAISE (D.THEO)

****CHAIRMAN BIOGRAPHY BOARD OF DOCUMENTATION AND PROOF READING
JOHN BIGWAN LLB.LAW, BL, LLM (in view)

*** GM: MEN AFFAIRS, TELPECON
PASTOR UDOH, DANIEL D.Theo, Bsc Public Admin


Adapted from this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/6163262/know-anything-telpecon/25#101204596

aycorporat:
You know the funniest part is that they claimed they were going to hold a praise night in Enugu two years ago, I mean the one they call SEM and I thought they were going to invite people like Nathaniel Bassey and the likes, they ended up inviting some low budget artiste in the mould of those igbotic churches. Worst part is the flyer was poorly designed and their press release is just wack.

We have finally confirmed that the OP is the one with the recent moniker who has gone haywire.
Let us pray that he doesn't enter the market naked as you guys peeps4u and tplayer are really bombarding him. He is going nuts already.

Best thing I read tonight

Can you all stop this?

Mr Nobody, Mr Ode

peeps4u:
Teachlead started the insult and curse. No one insulted him first. You're now humbly telling us to enlighten people, what have we been doing here since? Were you not even insulting us with our enlightenment despite not reciprocating your foul words and numerous insults?

Next time, open your mind to knowledge. I can see you're now humble

Teachlead should be the one to apologise to is here for being indecent, misleading, unnecessarily combative, undecorum when we earlier said this grant is/was a scam. He threw all decencies to the wind and was cursing everyone and even called people he didn't know kids. Like he was so sure he was the oldest man on NL.

Tell him in your WhatsApp group to come and demand for apology here, if he thinks he deserves one after we have been proven right and him proven wrong.

BTW, please give me Macron's telegram acct, let me message him

Teachlead acct isn't a new acct, it is an old acct he had been using to post his blog long before TheoBarth. The acct was regular on NL prior to when he went AWOL after TheoBarth failed. The acct was not newly created. He deactivated the acct out of shame and disgrace because he knows a lil search of his name "teachlead" will lead to various mention of him being linked to grant scam.

I hope he's learnt now and won't promote any grant scam again.


Like I said, earlier on this thread, we must put a STOP to this nonsense grant scam on NL. Let anyone go to WhatsApp or telegram where ignorance reigns and run his scam, but not here

Well said. God bless you sir. We appreciate your efforts.


These combative, unrepentant guys should be declared persona non grata.

Sirjudy1:
The man who saw the future

OMG

It is happening

No be Olugbenga Abiodun be Governor Dapo Abiodun's son?

Is that quantitative reasoning example complete?

Chloraseptic:
All this back and forth because the killer is a female..

The way the police was even stressing how beautiful she's sums it up..

For the last time females are more dangerous and strong and evil hearted than male..

I mean how can you explain some Teenage girls going off to meet a guy they are meeting for the first time in a hotel from Benin to far away Abuja.. Most adult guys can't do it let alone teenage guys

Very accurate

No big deal. Many factors can be responsible for an erection.


Doesn't mean he likes you