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| Ori (the Head) by tayuboy(m): 10:20am On May 19, 2008 |
ORI (The Head): It takes a steady eye to see the nose, only an ear glued to the ground hears the beautiful song of ants. Oh! my head, guide me your ancolyte, place me above my contemporaries, Oh my head, make my fiction facts and bless my mussing mind. - Taiwo. 1 Like |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by PastorAIO: 12:29pm On May 19, 2008 |
aboru aboye abosise. There is no force that can save one except the head. If the whole world is vexed with me yet my head is not vexed with me then I am content. Ori mi da mi re! Cast me right. 1 Like |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by IDINRETE: 3:03pm On May 19, 2008 |
ori mi gbe ori mi lami tete gbemi atete niran atete gbeni ku forisa ori pele o onomo atakara sola ori ko da mi re orisa ma ma je nsowo ase danu ori ko da mi re |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by welli(f): 3:12pm On May 19, 2008 |
i dnt sem to understand dis thread.can anyone xplain   |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by PastorAIO: 3:17pm On May 19, 2008 |
aboru aboye, Idin Ileke. Idin Ileke, o yi biri biri, a difa fun koko, ti nlo ree ba won mule nigbo. Where have you been? I was beginning to think this was only a site for ogberis. Yet I felt it was but a matter of time. |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by PastorAIO: 3:20pm On May 19, 2008 |
welli: This thread is about the greatest authority in all of creation. Called Ori. |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by mukina2: 8:38pm On May 19, 2008 |
can you please post in a language everyone will understand?  |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by welli(f): 10:52pm On May 19, 2008 |
pastor aio,. . . xplain in detail pls |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by IDINRETE: 6:47pm On May 20, 2008 |
Pastor AIO:aboye abosise o ogbo ato asure ela iwori-wofun oyeku betula oyeku betusa oyeku fetu sari o sebi oun rogun ire se igbadi lorun akerengbe adifa fun ojaja kan nimogun omo afi kangan mowo tarun nje ori oloja lo doja ire, i have been on the forum for sometime san boun leja oko bonoku awon ogberi ogboju lila mo omoawo Ire o |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by olabowale(m): 11:25pm On May 20, 2008 |
Another sect of idolatry! |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by cashoggy(f): 8:29am On May 22, 2008 |
Pastor AIO: Hmn, Pastor-Pastor , Di Paastor! :oTa l'awo? Ta l'ogberi? Why don't you better change your username to Oluawo so we would know where you belong?  |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by PastorAIO: 2:53pm On May 23, 2008 |
welli: I'll try to explain. In order to do so I'm going to have to write a little essay. Here goes: Ofun ni awo Igando Iwori ni awo Igando Oran gando gando o tan ni ile yi boro boro (ofun is the awo of Igando Iwori is the awo of Igando This protracted affair of misinterpreting is not easily ended in this land) In yoruba philosophy this statement is demonstrated in a tale about six elders,The Cobra, the rat, the squirrel, Elulu bird, Aparo bird and the chimpanzee (Aaya). All of them used to live in peace. However one day as the cobra was rummaging through the forest he unwittingly strayed into the tunnel of the rat. As soon as the rat saw him he thought, 'now what kind of trouble is this'? He hastily escaped through his back door. When the squirrel saw the rat out in broad daylight he exclaimed,'eewo!'. 'We don't see ewu out in the day'. To avert any danger he quickly climbed up an Iroko tree. As he didn't want to be the only one to see this aberration he raised an alarm. 'run, run, fly'! Elulu heard his cry from afar. He too sounded the alarm,'Blood is flowing'! Afterall that was his good friend advising him to fly away to safety. Meanwhile Aparo too heard Elulu and he panicked. 'The land is in turmoil', he screamed. When the Chimpanzee heard that the country was in turmoil he too took to his heels. In so doing he stepped on the guinea fowls eggs. He broke the eggs. Ye paripa!, cried Mrs. Etu the guinea fowl. 'Come and see my trouble o, everybody come and see o!' That was how all the people gathered together. The litigation began: 'I don't know what I did to Mr. Aaya the chimpanzee that he decided to break all my eggs', that was how her prosecution began. Everybody now turned to Mr. Aaya. 'A aahh! What did she do to you that you have to break her eggs'! In defence Mr Aaya pleaded, 'I heard a cry that the country was in ruins. "War has descended" was my natural assumption and so I fled in panic'. 'Who raised such an alarm', the jurors now enquired. 'Ah, it was ogbeni Aparo'. subsequently they summoned Aparo. 'What possessed you to utter such an alarm'? they asked him. 'Hen, when I heard Elulu shouting that blood is flowing why shouldn't I raise an alarm'. That was how Elulu was summoned. 'Well I heard Monsieur Okere shouting, he was telling me to fly. Fly fly, quickly. So who wouldn't raise an alarm'. In turn Monsieur Okere pointed the finger at Senor Okete. Okete in his defense explained, ' men, I was just relaxing in my home, men, minding my own business, men, when that Cobra, Mr Oka just entered my house, men. Why would the cobra enter my house, men'? Finally they summoned the Cobra and he explained that he was just rummaging around. 'A ah, or I shouldn't rummaged? It is within my rights!' The Jury started looking at themselves. Now who is the guilty party? Who do we charge? This is why Yoruba philosophy enjoins us to be making thorough investigations into our affairs in order to avoid the troubles of misinterpretations also known as Oran Gando Gando. That way our affairs will not become like those of the city of Igando. Is it not a known fact that meaning is often lost in translation from one language to another. Yes it is. And even within the context of one language, meaning changes with time and from generation to generation. Once upon a time to be gay meant to be happy, but today it means to be a homosexual. Herein lies the principle difficulty, in fact the eventual impossibility, of using Text to serve as a vehicle for meaning. This is demonstrated in so many ways over and over again. Consider the first 5 verses of the gospel of John. In the beginning was logos, and logos was with god, and logos was god. There was nothing that was made that was not made by it. In it is life, and in it is light. The light enters into darkness. Darkness cannot overcome the light. Or words to that effect. Logos is commonly interpreted as Word yet it's meaning has more dimensions and implications than that. The english term Word is now translated into Yoruba as Oro. Now is there a better Yoruba term to convey Logos, I ask? Logos is first known to have been used by Heraclitus a greek philosopher in 600 bc. What did he mean by the use of this word. In Greek Logos does not translate to Word in a grammatical sense. Word as a grammatical term in greek is lexis. From lexis we derive such english terms as Lexicon. Logos in fact means something more essential. Logos is Reason (even Raison d'etre)/Meaning/Principle. Logos confers Order where there is no order, purpose where there is no purpose. Logos is principle. What is a principle? A principle is something that rules over an affair. This word shares a root with the word Prince. a ruler. A head. A man without principle is a man that just blows with the wind, without direction. He has no lodestar, he has nothing he follows. No guiding principle. Principle gives meaning to everything that is. Everything that is is ruled by the Principle by which it was created. A dog is a dog by virtue of the principle of dogginess. A world without principles is a world without order. A world of chaos, formless and void. Principle then organises and gives Being (existence) to the Void. Principle is the creator. Now is there a term in Yoruba better suited to convey what the Logos is, than Oro. Yes there is! Searching through the entire lexicon of Yoruba terms and expressions we find a word, not only better suited to express Logos but, which in fact fits the definition precisely, paparapa! This word is Ori! What does Ori mean to Yoruba. Ori is indeed the principle of one's being. The Yoruba have a disgusting habit of yabbing people by saying 'Ori e o pe!' I don't think that people that bandy this phrase about really know what they are saying or implying. They are not referring to the physical head or even to the cerebral organs or thinking ability. They are referring to the essence of that person's life and being. The purpose and course that his life is to take and his Eleda (Creator). The worldview in which we find reference to Ori is shaped like this: We humans do not belong to the world but are here to trade. There is a saying that 'This world is the Marketplace but Heaven is our home.' We are sent out into the world by our creator who is called Ori eni. One's Ori. He is the first cause, the sole authority, the reason for existence. Absolutely every form in existence has it's ori. It is from this that when yoruba want to ascertain the cause or the reason for something they ask Nitori pe kini? in other words 'on account of what ori. A source in YOruba is Orisun whether it is a spring or the source of something else. This is not a merely Yoruba belief but it is worldwide and I know that in Igbo land they call Ori Chi. Now we know that Ori is the source of one's being in Yoruba cosmology, I would suggest a better translation of the opening verses of John's gospel as follows: Ni atetekose li Ori wa, Ori si wa pelu Olurun, Olorun si li Ori na. In the atetekose was Ori, and Ori was with God and Ori was God. There is nothing that was made that was not made by Ori. In Ori is life, and in Ori is Light. The light enters into darkness and the darkness can never never never overcome the light. 1 Like |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by PastorAIO: 2:54pm On May 23, 2008 |
olabowale: Don't you just love making brash pronouncements from a point of abject Ignorance. 1 Like |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by PastorAIO: 2:57pm On May 23, 2008 |
cashoggy: This made me smile.  |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by welli(f): 5:13pm On May 23, 2008 |
Pastor AIO: IGNORANCE?DEN CLEAR D AIR. . . TELL US WAT ITS ABOUT |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by PastorAIO: 5:35pm On May 23, 2008 |
welli: ?? Still confused? Ori is the yoruba for a person's creator. Ori establishes the path in life. Do you speak yoruba? IDINRETE: The above says My Ori Save me, rescue me. You are swift to save. You save quicker than orisha. Ori pele is yoruba for greeting Ori. 'Ori ko da mi re' means Ori cast me right. Da means to create and to throw and to cast. 'Orisa ma je nsowo ase danu' Don't let me trade at a loss. (remember that this world is considered a marketplace and heaven is home. and no one wants to lose in the market). This thread opened with somebody praying for ori's guidance and help. I responded with sayings in yoruba lore that Ori is greater than Orisha. There is no greater force for salvation. and ANother yoruba saying that if the whole world is vexed with one yet Ori is not vexed then it's all good. The Love of other humans is not worth displeasing Ori over. This is all that was said and I've tried to explain Ori in terms outside of Yoruba cosmology so that those uninformed can know. 1 Like |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by welli(f): 6:48pm On May 23, 2008 |
pastor aio no i dnt understand yoruba. |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by PastorAIO: 8:08pm On May 23, 2008 |
Okay, but the exposition that I made on subject should put you in the picture. Perhaps you didn't not read it all because you felt it wasn't to the point. I am wary of trying to explain it by couching it in terms that are foreign to the original context in which it is found. That is why I take the time to explain the cultural context by explaining the cosmology that sees earth as a market place and heaven as home and this life as a mission that we have been sent on. Yet if I were to remove it from it's context and explain it otherwise then it is identical to what the Greeks call Logos. In the essay that I quoted from (which is actually about the problem of translating biblical terms into yoruba) the connection between the two terms is demonstrated. It can be similarly be translated into Igbo language where it is known as Chi. |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by welli(f): 10:05pm On May 23, 2008 |
na wa |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by Orisanla: 10:33am On Jul 10, 2009 |
Aboru aboye abosise. Pastor AIO, Do you think you would be so kind as to translate the following verse? oyeku betula oyeku betusa oyeku fetu sari o sebi oun rogun ire se igbadi lorun akerengbe adifa fun ojaja kan nimogun omo afi kangan mowo tarun nje ori oloja lo doja ire. Thank you very much. Ire O |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by PastorAIO: 11:48am On Jul 10, 2009 |
Orisanla: This is a very deep Odu due to the amount of symbolism contained within. It comes from Oyeku Otura. oyeku betula Oyeku stooped to lick a magical powder oyeku betusa Oyeku uses magical powders to invoke powers oyeku fetu sari o sebi oun rogun ire se Oyeku rubs magical powders (etu) on his head thinking thus to have found the solution to his problems (r'ogun ire se- found medicine for progress) igbadi lorun akerengbe circular remains the neck of a gourd adifa fun ojaja kan nimogun This was divined for Ojaja at the shrine of Ogun omo afi kangan mowo tarun The child that uses his elegant hand to plait hair nje ori oloja lo doja ire It is the Ori of the Market woman that makes her commerce profitable. The meaning of the verse is about the futility of using Magic and charms. It is only one's Ori that can give one good fortunes. Oyeku erroneously resorted to charms and magical powders thinking therein to find the solution to his problems. However Oja from Ijamo sought Ifa for divinition and Ifa told him to turn to Ori. The symbolism is rich. In Ifa there are certain cities that have symbolic meaning. Ijamo is one such city. citizens or Ijamo are said to have elegant hands and in Ifa Hands symbolize action or practice (religious or otherwise). In other words these people know the right practice of religion. They use their elegant hands to plait the hair on their heads. Again there is much symbolism here. The head represents Ori and the act of plaiting the hair symbolises beautifying one's ori. In other words tending to your destiny or your life path, or your appropriation. The verse then finishes by stating that don't you know that it is the Ori of the Market woman (oloja) that will bring her profit in the end. In other words the entire verse tells you to turn away from worldly powers and turn to tending your Ori if you want to prosper in life. I hope this is useful. 1 Like |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by olabowale(m): 1:34pm On Jul 10, 2009 |
@Pastor AIO: Ogbeni yi, se keferi keferi ni e ni, abi keferi kiriyo? Ifa ati awon nko be be ni mo t ma nri e. Abi onokon o woja ni tie ni? |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by PastorAIO: 1:55pm On Jul 10, 2009 |
olabowale: I see you elsewhere on other threads and if I greet you you elect to ignore my greeting. I dey even think say maybe you vex for me because I no gree for you imale proselytizing. Anyway sha, It's good to see that you're still willing to talk to me even if it is to point out that I participate in many Ifa threads. I guess I am a Keferi since I do not practice Mohammedanism. What do you think is the relationship between "Onokon o w'oja" and Intelligence? Or Onokon o woja and Will? Especially if you consider the Will is a divine attribute. |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by olabowale(m): 2:39pm On Jul 10, 2009 |
@Pastor AIO: I am sorry if there was any time I ignored you. It is out of character for me. Maybe I did not read your post(s). I do not often allow the responses of any thread that I participate in to come to my email inbox. I have no need to let Nairaland issue (s) overwhelm me. Unfortunately, there is nothing called Muhammadanism. The same way that there is nothing called Koran. I know the orientalists and others, but always non-muslims do label us with them, just as a way to get to the muslims. You are Keferi today and could be muslim tomorrow. My mother was kefer say 5 years ago. For a woman in her 80s to accept Islam, am sure there is a wider door for you to walk in (saunter in) with leisure into Islam! I bet there is a muslim blood in your blood, if you are from Ogun, Lagos and Oyo state, etc of the Yoruba traditional enclave. The Creator is the Holder and Possessor of the hearts of mankind. He hears each individually even if we all gathered together and ask Him all at the same time, each for his/her specific need(s). Intelligence and ono kon o woja, are separate in a spiritual sense. But may be overlapping, especially coming from the intelligence side if it is in a searching for the Truth effort or mission. The man who is in ono kon o woja, may not be intelligence, and it is out of ignorance will a person be involved in many conflicting paths, all at the same time. Why would a christian be an ifa worshipper, if he truly believes in the christian way, which I will suspect will be complete opposing ifa and any of the sort? It will only make sense for an intelligentman, who is assured of his chosen religious path, to not be ininvolved in the others, ifa, etc, except that he is still searching for complete Truth! Will on the other hand, in relationship with ono kon o woja, is simply to demostrate that the choices out there is not being imposed in a specific way. You can choose one or many (ono kon o woja) or ignore all (atheist, agnostic) as the case may be. This is your choice, or your Will, coming from your heart, rather the subcontious that the heart is affected by, in a direct way, which with proper reasoning, it is practical and if with irrationality, it is emotional and irractional, illogical and somewhat a product of bad processing! The Almighty Creator allows us to make our own coices; good and obedience that will allow us to be at the entrance of the Door of His Mercy. On the other hand, disobedience to His rules; denial of His existence, associating something with Him, or devicing another way than what He put forward as the only way to Him, all of these will lead a person and places him/her squarely at the inevitable Door of Justice. And people ask the Judges in courts to temper justice with mercy. Mercy is more pleasing than justice. |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by PastorAIO: 5:08pm On Jul 10, 2009 |
olabowale: I chose that word carefully. I'll explain why. If I had said Islam, then that brings about many incongruities. Islam means peace. Yet there are many people that have peace yet do not practice the 5 pillars of mohammedanism. Mohammedanism being that which is said to proceed from the teachings of Mohammed (my definition). Also there are many people who adhere to those 5 pillars assiduously yet show no signs of having peace. So therefore I make a distinction between mohammedanism and Islam. I remember discussing with you in the islam section about the relation between the 5 pillars and Al Fitra. I remain unconvinced that the relationship is strong, or even existent. |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by Orisanla: 7:04pm On Jul 10, 2009 |
Pastor AOI, Thank you very kindly for contributing to my understanding. I was reading some literature on the topic of Ori that contained the exact same verse posted in this discussion. However, the English translation was not clear to me, If it's not too much trouble I'd like to ask you a few more questions if I may, Would it be appropriate to give you my email? Thank you for your kind attention Odabo |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by Nobody: 7:13pm On Jul 10, 2009 |
is there any way people can break down their eschatology into simple language and terms others could understand. |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by PastorAIO: 7:19pm On Jul 10, 2009 |
olabowale: I must apologize. In fact I had changed the subject somewhat when I asked the relationship between ono kon o woja and intelligence. I was not thinking in terms of a variety of religions as the different paths. I was talking about something altogether more abstract. I don't know why I suddenly changed subject. I guess I was just inspired to. As regards religion, NO, I don't think that Ono kon o woja. I believe that there is a specific (or generic though singular) path for everyone. However the details of it vary from individual to individual. I don't believe in religion as a 'one size fits all' matter. Or, as the yoruba say it, a a ki fi ori we ori. We do not compare Ori/destiny. Yours is yours and mine is mine. There is nothing like competition in this world. If I start vying with you for what is yours then I'm totally lost. My happiness is to be found in that which is appropriated for me. My portion, as they say. 1 Like |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by PastorAIO: 7:24pm On Jul 10, 2009 |
Orisanla: I'm glad to be of help to you. If you have any more questions I think it will be best to discuss them here on the forum. If there is anything that I don't understand then maybe someone else might be able to help you. Besides I think it is nice to share with everybody. 1 Like |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by PastorAIO: 7:29pm On Jul 10, 2009 |
ODU MIMO IFA; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yorubaworld/message/2251 |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by Orisanla: 8:44pm On Jul 10, 2009 |
Fair enough. What is interesting is that I remember an interpretation I had last year, [this] ODU was casted for me. It was Oyeku Otura/Otua Ire Owo, The verses told at the time were not as clear to me as they are (literally) today. The even more interesting thing is that as I read this verse JUST last night, I never imagined that it came from this ODU. I was merely seeking a translation for that particular verse and had no idea what Odu it came from. So I googled the opening line of the verse : "Oyeku betula" (which I imagine is another name for Oyeku Otura, I imagine?) and it lead me to this forum, I am a writer, musician, and singer/actor. This has been my passion for a long time now and have been struggling to make it in the industry. So when I read your reply, It brought me a sense of satisfaction. I understood the MESSAGE in its entirety! You see, aside from my talents and occupations, I'm also an Orisanla initiate. Since then, however, I cannot say that my life has been at its best. My Poor decisions, poor character, and (as confirmed via Odu) Epe' were many reasons why I believe my blessings did not manifest. It was last year, however, that I met a (traditional) Babalawo who introduced me to the cocepts of Iwa pele, the importance of Ori, and what it means to be a humble servant of (ifa)Orisa; Especially as an initiate. My life has since changed, I feel more conected with my Orisa and my ORI, for that matter. Prior to these realizations, I constantly and consistently performed Ebos only to be met with frustration because I wouldn't produce results, I became dependent upon my ORISHAS to resolve my affairs. My SHALLOW interpretation and my ignorance of this practice did not allow me to see the REALITY of things. I didn't realize that without the consent of my Ori, I wasn't going to get very far, I was forcing situations, being impatient, and worst of all, blaming the SYSTEM. :/ One day, (months after I received Ori) as I meditated along side my Ori (receptacle), I was met with an unexplainable sense of purpose, peace, and satisfaction, I suddenly had an epiphany and arrived to the conclusion that all I ever had to do was TAKE ACTION. But I had become so dependent upon my Orishas to compliment my blessings, that I Ignored the ONE orisha that could do just that: ORI, So as I read this interpretation of the verse you just translated, it delivered very relevant answers to questions I STILL had lingering in my thoughts, My ORI led me here and gave me the answers I was looking for. lol. What a blessing. Amiwo-Aja, Awo Ile Oloyo Adifa fun Oloyo Eyi to fi Ori sile To nbo Ado Amiwo Aja Iwo ma lawo ile-oloyo Ori nii gbeni Ado kii gbe ni If i'm not mistaken, this verse also delivers the same message? I just don't know what Odu it belongs to. Thank you, once again. Ire Odabo p.s. What can you tell me about Irosun Oturupon Ire Aiku? 1 Like |
| Re: Ori (the Head) by donnie(m): 10:17pm On Jul 10, 2009 |
Mr pastor, I see you are realy having a time with your worship of who i dont know(but definitely not the Lord Jesus). I am not surprised anyway. Your posts on nairaland so far have been anything but Spirit filled. You will pass for a babalawo anytime. My friend, The greatest authority in all creation; heaven, earth and beneath the earth is not ori but JESUS! |
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