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Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by 4Play(m): 7:13pm On Aug 08, 2008
Georgia and Russia were today on the brink of full-scale war after Russian tanks rolled across the border to back separatists in the breakaway South Ossetia region.

With hundreds of people feared to have been killed and the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali, reported to have been severely damaged, Georgia said it was pulling 1,000 of its troops out of Iraq to redeploy them against Russia.

Georgia, a strong US ally, currently has 2,000 soldiers in Iraq, but half would now be withdrawn, a Georgian official, describing them as "some of our best soldiers", said.

The Russian incursion began after Georgia launched a major military offensive to retake control of South Ossetia, which has enjoyed de facto autonomy since the early 1990s but officially remains part of the country.

The Georgian president, Mikhail Saakashvili, said the two countries were already effectively at war.

"Russia is fighting a war with us in our own territory," he told CNN. "We are a freedom-loving nation that is right now under attack."

He called on the US to intervene, saying it was in Washington's interests to help his country.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/08/georgia.russia2
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by SeanT21(f): 10:19pm On Aug 08, 2008
I hope America do not pick sides in this. Unless Russia will not be happy!!!
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by RichyBlacK(m): 11:40pm On Aug 08, 2008
Hisssssss!
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by Nobody: 3:33am On Aug 09, 2008
SeanT21:

I hope America do not pick sides in this. Unless Russia will not be happy!!!

america is a staunch ally of Georgia.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by Nobody: 5:58am On Aug 09, 2008
russia has actually retaliated on russian troups
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by 4Play(m): 8:37am On Aug 09, 2008
RichyBlacK:

Hisssssss!

Why won't you "hiss"? If it was the US launching "peacekeeping" operations in a neighboring country,you will be steaming with rage.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by Dreamy: 10:18am On Aug 09, 2008
Russia is not exactly invading Georgia. South Ossetia has been an independent region since the year of the break up of the USSR. Blame it on the original partitioning that put North Ossetia in Russia and South Ossetia in Georgia.

Georgian president said "this is not about Georgia, it's about America". It seems that he being conscious of Russia's possible response, went to with his campaign in S. Ossetia because he relied on Uncle USA. If he gets disappointed on this one, perhaps Georgia and other states would handle internal crises differently.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by TheSly: 10:25am On Aug 09, 2008
Oppression at its very best.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by RichyBlacK(m): 11:05am On Aug 09, 2008
4 Play:

Why won't you "hiss"? If it was the US launching "peacekeeping" operations in a neighboring country,you will be steaming with rage.

Alright, I concede. That hiss was unnecessary especially given the gravity of the situation. Sorry about that.

I do not support Russia on this
because I believe a diplomatic solution could have been found.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by Ibime(m): 5:42pm On Aug 10, 2008
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Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by RichyBlacK(m): 3:03am On Aug 11, 2008
Ibime:

What do you mean you don't support Russia on this? Has RichyBlack the militant gone soft ? . . . . . lol. . .

It was Georgia who made the first move in this chess game. The day they invaded South Osettia, I told my friend that they have finished themselves because Russia will retaliate. What, did they think Russia was going to stand by and let that happen? Russia don't play that. The West have just proved that they do not back their allies. They were the ones who told Georgia to invade South Ossetia because Georgia cannot take such a decision independently. Yet when qwatar start, they turned their back on Georgia. 80% of Europe's gas comes from Russia, that is why they didn't back Georgia - because they don't want to freeze this winter. lol.

The people of South Ossetia all own Russian passports, therefore Russia did not break any law by moving in. They've wanted to leave Georgia for a long time but Georgia would not let them go. Now they are seeing that Russsian passport is more profitable than Shengen passport. All of them are celebrating in the streets today - and that is all that matters, not all this nonsense diplomatic arguments about who owns what.

This is a test case for other places like Azerbaijan and Ukraine who have adopted pro-Western and anti-Russian stances. Will the West really back them against Russia or will they chicken out at the last minute as they did with Georgia? This could even also be a test case for seperatist movements in Africa, such as Biafra. . . . .

Interesting point of view, and I agree with you for the most part.

The reality is that if Georgia's military strength stands at a hundred points, Russia's is at a trillion points - no basis for comparison!

Russia's response was strong and swift, even though I suspect their intel knew of the invasion of South Ossetia weeks before it happened. I think to prevent loss of (more) lives, Russia could have issued a strong warning to Georgia first (days before the invasion), as a means of resolving the crisis diplomatically.

I don't support Russia on this because, being the stronger force, it could have easily forced Georgia to the diplomatic table. If at that stage Georgia still went ahead to invade South Ossetia, then they would have forced their own checkmate.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by Ibime(m): 11:18am On Aug 11, 2008
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Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by Blatant: 11:53am On Aug 11, 2008
Why did Britain fight Argentina?
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by TayoD1(m): 1:26pm On Aug 11, 2008
@Ibime,

The people of South Ossetia all own Russian passports, therefore Russia did not break any law by moving in.
Much of what you said makes sense and I do agree to a large extent. However, I do not believe your emboldened quote above. South Ossetia is a break-away province that still is under the territorial integrity of Georgia. This can be comparable to Nigeria claiming Bakassi as her own just because we offered the people Nigerian Passports. By every law and common sense, what makes a piece of real estate part of a country is not who lives in it, but who owns the land. Georgia owns South Ossetia and Russia's military offesnsive under the guise of "peace-keeping" is criminal.

That being said, the US has already angered Russia by flying all 2,000 Georgian troops in Iraq back to Georgia. I think if this continues, the US can be dragged into a military confrontation with Russia, but let's hope this does not happen. I can imagine the US sending its own "peace-keepers" to be a buffer between Georgia and the Russian troops. That is a recipe for Armageddon.

In my estimation however, I want the US to hands-off this wahala altogether. Let Europe take care of it. Much of America's actions that have being more in Europe's interests are unappreciated anyway. Let all those holier-than-thou hypocrites deal with the wahala.

Talking about hypocrites, the deafening silence of the usual mob that condemn Isreal when it defends herself isn't going unnoticed. I thought the same people would be here now condemning the loss of innocent lives. It is obvious that their judgements are clouded by political leanings. lipsrsealed
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by darfur(m): 2:53pm On Aug 11, 2008
i stand strongly with russia in this issue cool

how can georgia seceed from russia but wont let ossettia do the same from them. it's like biafra secceeding from nigeria and then refusing south-south from secceeding from biafra. live and let live. if u could pull out from whom u dont like then you should be ready to let someone who doesnt like you pull out from you.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by Ibime(m): 3:16pm On Aug 11, 2008
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Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by tpia: 5:54pm On Aug 11, 2008
darfur:



how can georgia seceed from russia but wont let ossettia do the same from them. it's like biafra secceeding from nigeria and then refusing south-south from secceeding from biafra. live and let live. if u could pull out from whom u don't like then you should be ready to let someone who doesnt like you pull out from you.






some arguments preempt a maze, really.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by RichyBlacK(m): 6:26pm On Aug 11, 2008
Ibime:

Come on man. . . . they been warning them for the last few years. . . . if Pakistan move into Kashmir, do they expect India not to retaliate. . . . how about if Nigeria move into Bakassi - do you think the Cameroonians will stand by?. . . .  Russia set them up for the fall a long time ago by issuing passports to the South Ossetians. . . . .they should have heeded the warning. . . . .instead, they dug their own grave by making such hasty decisions. . . .the West allowed them to do it. I guess they did not anticipate the speed of the Russian response.

I'm not saying that I'm against Russia's objective, but I think they could have given the Georgians a clear and final warning before striking. My main concern is the loss of innocent lives.

I have no sympathy for the Georgian government, I think they've allowed themselves to be used by the West. I stand with South Ossetia and their right to self determination.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by TayoD1(m): 6:40pm On Aug 11, 2008
@RichyBlack,

I stand with South Ossetia and their right to self determination.
This self-determination we are talking about, where and how does it end? At what point is a group's so-called self-determination legitimate while others are not? And to what extent should another nation be involved in the internal wranglings of another with respect to secession? Russia is definitely an outside party here considering the fact that this is more or less a civil matter of a UN recognized independent nation - Georgia.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by Ibime(m): 6:58pm On Aug 11, 2008
Tayo-D:

Russia is definitely an outside party here considering the fact that this is more or less a civil matter of a UN recognized independent nation - Georgia.

Not really. . . . South Ossetians are ethnic Russians. . . . all this UN convention shit doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. UN convention said that Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo etc were part of Yugoslavia until the people wanted out. . . . . . UN convention also tells me that Las Malvinas aka The Falklands is part of Britain . . . . . but when I look at its position on the globe, I can't help but laugh. . . them wan take person for ode. . . . . . UN convention tells me that Bakassi is part of Cameroun, although the Bakassians chop edikainko like no mans business. . . . UN legitimised the illegitimate Berlin conference of 1914 during the scramble for Africa, causing untold problems like we are witnessing today. . . . . . UN is just a cartel. . . . . . why does UN not try to prevent Scotland from leaving Britain?. . . . . if the country isn't civilised enough to let you leave peacefully, then you must force their hand whether UN like it or not. . . . that is my hope for Nigeria.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by adewaleafolabi(m): 11:04pm On Aug 11, 2008
When you request for thunder, then you should be prepared for the rain also. Georgia launched a surprise attack and were they thinking Russia was going to fold their arms while they take over Ossetia ? Considering the fact that these people hold Russian passports. Really this is more of suicide on the part of Georgia (not considering the fact that a proportion of Her army is in Iraq). Not even NATO can save Georgia cause they aren't ready to be drawn into a war. Its a pity that lives are just perishing.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by Nobody: 2:18am On Aug 12, 2008
Tayo-D:

Talking about hypocrites, the deafening silence of the usual mob that condemn Isreal when it defends herself isn't going unnoticed. I thought the same people would be here now condemning the loss of innocent lives. It is obvious that their judgements are clouded by political leanings. lipsrsealed

grin cheesy Georgia didnt even lob rockets within Russian borders.

I notice all Richyblack had to say was a long hissss. cheesy
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by darfur(m): 4:30am On Aug 12, 2008
Ibime:

. UN legitimised the illegitimate Berlin conference of 1914 during the scramble for Africa, causing untold problems like we are witnessing today. . .

i feel u ibime cheesy but take am easy for UN, by I9I4 the UN was non existent grin the UN was established in the mid I940s wink
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by darfur(m): 4:34am On Aug 12, 2008
tpia:




some arguments preempt a maze, really.

some statements show deficits in comprehensive abilities grin
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by Ibime(m): 9:24am On Aug 12, 2008
darfur:

i feel u ibime cheesy but take am easy for UN, by I9I4 the UN was non existent grin the UN was established in the mid I940s wink

lol. . . . . I didn't say the UN was existent in 1914. . . . I said they have accepted the Berlin constitution into UN law, legitimising it. . . . . hence Nigeria had to give up Bakasssi.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by MCUsman(m): 11:20am On Aug 12, 2008
Tayo-D:

@Ibime,

That being said, the US has already angered Russia by flying all 2,000 Georgian troops in Iraq back to Georgia.

It was reported that Georgian forces from Iraq would give a bloody fight! Today they are fleeing! i am tempted to ask were they fighting women and children in Iraq?

RichyBlacK:


I have no sympathy for the Georgian government, I think they've allowed themselves to be used by the West. I stand with South Ossetia and their right to self determination.

Georgians are paying for the killings of South Ossetian people. Western media presenting Russia as an agressor. Where was America when Georgian tanks were rolling over people in South Ossetia.

davidylan:

grin cheesy Georgia didnt even lob rockets within Russian borders.


Rocket 4where !!!!! Georgians troops are in chaos and fear as as they jampack themself in cars & tanks for a speedy escape.

It was reported that some Soldiers left by any means available. Dozens of troops clung to cars on the back of a transporter lorry, while five other soldiers fled on one bike abandoned thier post to the Russians without firing a shot. grin grin grin grin
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The Taliban & Al Qedia never fled in such flenzy manner with America superior weaponary scores of tanks and armoured personnel carriers, Apache's and B1 & B2 F 15 ,
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by landis(m): 11:36am On Aug 12, 2008
I fully backed Russia in this conflict.

US travelled 8000km to Iraqi -> whats that called?

Israel destroyed Lebanon because two soldiers were killed.

No country would allow its people to be killed.

Russia strategy is to isolate Georgia and warn all other WESTERN puppert countries in that region that it would not tolerate any nonsense in their backyard.

This strategy will should have used against Cameron but we are too corrupt & lazy, that why we gave them Bakassi on platter of Gold.

Mark this: If OIL is discovered in Semme or Badagry; the WEST will instigate Benin republic to claim its their land.

The whole world should be happy we still have Russia and China to balance things otherwise the whole world would be under bondage of WEST.

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Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by ASL33: 12:01pm On Aug 12, 2008
There is no Good war and there is no Bad peace,
This will tell other European countries that US is playing the game of divide and rule.
All the clamour of defending their European ally only ends with Bush telling us that Russia is trying to occupy Georgia, a sovereign and democratic nation.

I can't stop laughing when i read from one of the British tabloids what the Georgian president said. "WE HELPED IN IRAQ NOW COME AND HELP US" But it seems the statement fell of deaf ears.

I do not know what gave Georgia the guts to make that move, were they thinking US will come to their aid? I hope Czech Republic and Poland will learn from this.

Did you guys noticed that almost all EU leaders are mute on this conflick,

Russia is not fighting only because SO was attacked but to stop the enlargement of NATO within its territory and to let other European nations be away that notting do them as far as military power is concerned.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by TayoD1(m): 1:00pm On Aug 12, 2008
@ASL33,

I do not know what gave Georgia the guts to make that move, were they thinking US will come to their aid? I hope Czech Republic and Poland will learn from this.
Would you say Nigeria should not make a move to keep its territorial integrity intact if MASSOB decides to secede? Would you say France has any right to invade Nigeria assuming many of the Easterners were given French Passports? Do you think France would have the right to station unwanted  "peace keepers" in Abia State in order to protect and enhance the activities of MASSOB? And would you consider it right for France to be bombing Lagos all because it is protecting MASSOB against the Federal Govt of Nigeria?

NB: You can substitute France and Nigeria for Russia and Georgia in this case.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by landis(m): 1:12pm On Aug 12, 2008
Would you say France has any right to invade Nigeria assuming many of the Easterners were given French Passports?


Yes to protect it citizen. This is constiution every President sworn to upload; protect your citizens.

And would you consider it right for France to be bombing Lagos all because it is protecting MASSOB against the Federal Govt of Nigeria?


YES, if MASSOB are french people.

I do not know what gave Georgia the guts to make that move, were they thinking US will come to their aid? I hope Czech Republic and Poland will learn from this.


Good thinking. Thats exactly the message: if anyone of you misbehave, we will punish you hard.

The same message WEST is using all over the world. Nothing NEW.

Only NIGERIA is sleeping giving away bakassi, when UK flew 9000km to fight for Falklands.
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by lexicon(m): 2:54pm On Aug 12, 2008
Ummmmm , u can only know the begining of a war , u cant know the end , let 'em look for a way to settle it b4 it gets out of hand , sad sad
Re: Russia Invades Georgia - Guardian UK by cold(m): 3:06pm On Aug 12, 2008
I blv Shakishvili pushed his luck too hard.What was he thinking?that he cld face up to Russia or that America wld come to his aid.Does he think the Americans are fools.The Americans may flex their muscles all they want but they know where to draw the line.

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