Washngton Post Calls Yukihisa Fujita’s 9/11 Ideas “Bizarre… Fantasy”

The Washington Post
March 9, 2010
A D V E R T I S E M E N T

YUKIHISA FUJITA is an influential member of the ruling Democratic Party of Japan. As chief of the DPJ’s international department and head of the Research Committee on Foreign Affairs in the upper house of Japan’s parliament, to which he was elected in 2007, he is a Brahmin in the foreign policy establishment of Washington’s most important East Asian ally. He also seems to think that America’s rendering of the events of Sept. 11, 2001, is a gigantic hoax.
Mr. Fujita’s ideas about the attack on the World Trade Center, which he shared with us in a recent interview, are too bizarre, half-baked and intellectually bogus to merit serious discussion. He questions whether it was really the work of terrorists; suggests that shadowy forces with advance knowledge of the plot played the stock market to profit from it; peddles the fantastic idea that eight of the 19 hijackers are alive and well; and hints that controlled demolition rather than fire or debris may be a more likely explanation for at least the collapse of the building at 7 World Trade Center, which was adjacent to the twin towers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/07/AR2010030702354.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Top politicians too can be crackpots, like Mr. Yukihisa Fujita clearly is. That class of political crank exists allover the World; there was Reagan and the necromancers in the White House, closer to home, we have had crackpots like Idi Amin Dada.

Being a crackpot is far from having the mark of wisdom.

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Lets assume I was wrong and that two planes hit the twin towers and that fires as a result of the impact lead to the collapse of the twin buildings(official story) but can someone please explain how building 7(WTC 7) which is also part of the world trade center came down at free fall speed despite the fact that it wasnt hit by a plane or fire?

john_blaze:

Lets assume I was wrong and that two planes hit the twin towers and that fires as a result of the impact lead to the collapse of the twin buildings(official story) but can someone please explain how building 7(WTC 7) which is also part of the world trade center came down at free fall speed despite the fact that it wasnt hit by a plane or fire?

Do you realise you are single-handedly killing this section with these crazy theories, tales by moonlight and crackpot articles?
You can't be 3 years old, or are you?

Beaf:

Do you realise you are single-handedly killing this section with these crazy theories, tales by moonlight and crackpot articles?
You can't be 3 years old, or are you?

True.

What he is not realising is that eventually, all his threads will be empty or lacking content as people realise his motives etc. Sucks really.

I am guessing he will eventually die off like Doctor Who and then reincarnate as another poster. Sucks really.  Gosh, he post these threads and it is not like he's got a proper or solid contribution to make. I really do not understand him/her.

@elrazur and beaf

If you guys do not have any meaniful contribution is it not best, you ignore the post?

If my post doesnt make sense to you, just ignore it

its as simple as that

Top politicians too can be crackpots, like Mr. Yukihisa Fujita clearly is.

So for the fact that the Japanese politician believes 9/11 was an inside job makes him a crackpot?

ElRazur:

True.

What he is not realising is that eventually, all his threads will be empty or lacking content as people realise his motives etc. Sucks really.

I am guessing he will eventually die off like Doctor Who and then reincarnate as another poster. Sucks really. Gosh, he post these threads and it is not like he's got a proper or solid contribution to make. I really do not understand him/her.

Damn!
How can a single adult willingly morph himself into a stupidity grenade?

john_blaze:

So for the fact that the Japanese politician believes 9/11 was an inside job makes him a crackpot?

Yes and those that believe him as well. Crackpots have a way of jumping, even when all they see is their own harmless shadow, they have a way of proving "witchcraft" and superstition.
. . .Divining blended with witchhunting is their natural talent.

ok, lets assume the Japanese politician was wrong and that fires from the plane did bring down the twin towers. However how do you explain what happened to building 7(WTC 7) considering the fact it wasnt hit by a plane or even fire but collapsed just like the twin towers. How do you explain that?

john_blaze:

ok, lets assume the Japanese politician was wrong and that fires from the plane did bring down the twin towers. However how do you explain what happened to building 7(WTC 7) considering the fact it wasnt hit by a plane or even fire but collapsed just like the twin towers. How do you explain that?

Your inablity to read and comprehend is your problem. TayoD already asked you to read around and know the meaning of freefall and its application in the context you are using I wonder if you ever did.

If you can use google to get anti-western news, you can use it to find real facts on the matter too. Here is just a simple way:

Open google

In Google, type in "911 debunked" "facts of 911"

Press enter

Read the various link provided/look at photograhps.



Alternatively, if you find reading too much information can be difficult to absorb, use the same steps described above but in YOUTUBE.

That should keep you busy for a long time.

Your inablity to read and comprehend is your problem. TayoD already asked you to read around and know the meaning of freefall and its application in the context you are using I wonder if you ever did.

If you can use google to get anti-western news, you can use it to find real facts on the matter too. Here is just a simple way:

Open google

In Google, type in "911 debunked" "facts of 911"

Press enter

Read the various link provided/look at photograhps.



Alternatively, if you find reading too much information can be difficult to absorb, use the same steps described above but in YOUTUBE.

That should keep you busy for a long time.

Its quite unfortunate how you respond to issues. This is how you go round insulting and attacking people. The way a person responds to issues says alot about his personality. If this is how you respond to issues then is unfortunate.

Did I address the comments to you?
Why the hating!!!
I have told you times without number if you dont like my comments simply ignore it. Or dont you understand what[b] ignore[/b] means?

Anyway I refuse to be distracted. if you have any[b] reasonable [/b]comments, you are welcomed

My comments are reasonable, it stops you from asking silly questions and killing this section.

I can't ignore you, you are ruining my Nairaland experience.

My comments are reasonable, it stops you from asking silly questions and killing this section.

I can't ignore you, you are ruining my Nairaland experience.

ok, since you said you comments are reasonable.

Can you please explain the circumstances surrounding the collapse of WTC 7(building 7), note that I am not talking about the twin towers which you claimed where claimed where brought down as a result of fires from the planes.

ElRazur:

My comments are reasonable, it stops you from asking silly questions and killing this section.

I can't ignore you, you are ruining my Nairaland experience.

Tell him abeg! His topics are the sort of things adolescent boys discuss.

lets stick to the issues


Can you please explain the circumstances surrounding the collapse of WTC 7(building 7)?

john_blaze:

lets stick to the issues

Can you please explain the circumstances surrounding the collapse of WTC 7(building 7)?

The real question is, can you?
How can someone who measures speed in seconds, even begin to ask how a building fell?
Don't you think you should first learn the basics, eg the definitions of speed, velocity etc?

Joke of the day; "the car was travelling at a speed of 45 seconds!"
Damn! Damn! Damn! Damn! Damn! Damn!

Ignoramus.

john_blaze:

Lets assume I was wrong and that two planes hit the twin towers and that fires as a result of the impact lead to the collapse of the twin buildings(official story) but can someone please explain how building 7(WTC 7) which is also part of the world trade center came down at free fall speed despite the fact that it wasnt hit by a plane or fire?

Note that the building came down internally on one side first before the entire building came down. The floors on the east side at the top of the building disappered as the internal structure on the east side gave way. This is visible in all videos and pictures of the building during collaspe.
The east side of the building took a lot of damage from the collaspe of the second trade center building which started fires several floors deep.

john_blaze:

lets stick to the issues


Can you please explain the circumstances surrounding the collapse of WTC 7(building 7)?

This has already been done in your other thread. Remember it? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-409216.32.html

I gave you this link. I knew it was pointless to give it to you since you don't really care about actual science. However, for arguments sake, here is the link again.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC%20Part%20IIC%20-%20WTC%207%20Collapse%20Final.pdf

If you require a summary. http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.html

More info for you to sink your teeth into. Don't be shy. Give one of these links a good read.
http://sites.google.com/site/911guide/danielnigro

Johny Blaze is very right.

Next topic, Kegite chief in UNILAG debunks 9-11

As the North Tower collapsed, heavy debris hit Tower 7, causing damage to the south face of the building. The bottom portion of the building's south face was damaged by debris, including damage to the southwest corner from the 8th to 18th floors, a large vertical gash on the center-bottom extending at least ten floors, and other damage as high as the 18th floor. The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.
After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered tower 7 to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts. A massive fire burned into the afternoon on the 11th and 12th floors of tower 7, the flames visible on the east side of the building. During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30. In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon. Later firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse. During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building. The building was evacuated and a few hours later collapsed

Note that the building came down internally on one side first before the entire building came down. The floors on the east side at the top of the building disappered as the internal structure on the east side gave way. This is visible in all videos and pictures of the building during collaspe.
The east side of the building took a lot of damage from the collaspe of the second trade center building which started fires several floors deep.

Quote from: john_blaze on March 10, 2010, 11:27 PM
lets stick to the issues


Can you please explain the circumstances surrounding the collapse of WTC 7(building 7)?


This has already been done in your other thread. Remember it? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-409216.32.html

I gave you this link. I knew it was pointless to give it to you since you don't really care about actual science. However, for arguments sake, here is the link again.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC%20Part%20IIC%20-%20WTC%207%20Collapse%20Final.pdf

If you require a summary. http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.html

More info for you to sink your teeth into. Don't be shy. Give one of these links a good read.
http://sites.google.com/site/911guide/danielnigro

@mairory

I read the links you provided earlier,one thing that first struck me was they were mostly government based website. After reading it for hours I was surprised you were unable to see flaws all over it. I would like to draw your attention to some of them.

What caused the fires in WTC 7?
Debris from the collapse of WTC 1, which was 370 feet to the south, ignited fires on at least 10 floors in the building at its south and west faces. However, only the fires on some of the lower floors—7 through 9 and 11 through 13—burned out of control. These lower-floor fires—which spread and grew because the water supply to the automatic sprinkler system for these floors had failed—were similar to building fires experienced in other tall buildings. The primary and backup water supply to the sprinkler systems for the lower floors relied on the city’s water supply, whose lines were damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2. These uncontrolled lower-floor fires eventually spread to the northeast part of WTC 7, where the building’s collapse began.

ok,fine debris from wtc 1 ignited fires in wtc 7, and building 7 burnt for 7 hours before coming down. So you mean to tell me you believe this?
Do you know the distance between WTC 1 and buidling 7?
How can fires brought about from WTC 1 spread to WTC 7 and subsequently lead to the[b] horizontal[/b] collapse of WTC 7?

How did the fires cause WTC 7 to collapse?
The heat from the uncontrolled fires caused steel floor beams and girders to thermally expand, leading to a chain of events that caused a key structural column to fail. The failure of this structural column then initiated a fire-induced progressive collapse of the entire building.

According to the report’s probable collapse sequence, heat from the uncontrolled fires caused thermal expansion of the steel beams on the lower floors of the east side of WTC 7, damaging the floor framing on multiple floors.

Eventually, a girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to a critical column, Column 79, that provided support for the long floor spans on the east side of the building (see Diagram 1). The displaced girder and other local fire-induced damage caused Floor 13 to collapse, beginning a cascade of floor failures down to the 5th floor. Many of these floors had already been at least partially weakened by the fires in the vicinity of Column 79. This collapse of floors left Column 79 insufficiently supported in the east-west direction over nine stories.

The unsupported Column 79 then buckled and triggered an upward progression of floor system failures that reached the building’s east penthouse. What followed in rapid succession was a series of structural failures. Failure first occurred all the way to the roof line—involving all three interior columns on the easternmost side of the building (79, 80, 81). Then, progressing from east to west across WTC 7, all of the columns failed in the core of the building (58 through 78). Finally, the entire façade collapsed.



b]The heat from the uncontrolled fires caused steel floor beams and girders to thermally expand, leading to a chain of events that caused a key structural column to fail. The failure of this structural column then initiated a fire-induced progressive collapse of the entire building.
[/b]

C'mon!! dont tell me you believe this as well

Heat from the uncontrolled fires caused steel floor beams and girders to thermally expand which lead to a structural collapse. One question you should ask yourself is has this type of incident ever happened before in history?

Give me a break!!

How did the collapse of WTC 7 differ from the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?
WTC 7 was unlike the WTC towers in many respects. WTC 7 was a more typical tall building in the design of its structural system. It was not struck by an aircraft. The collapse of WTC 7 was caused by a single initiating event—the failure of a northeast building column brought on by fire-induced damage to the adjacent flooring system and connections—which stands in contrast to the WTC 1 and WTC 2 failures, which were brought on by multiple factors, including structural damage caused by the aircraft impact, extensive dislodgement of the sprayed fire-resistive materials or fireproofing in the impacted region, and a weakening of the steel structures created by the fires.

The fires in WTC 7 were quite different from the fires in the WTC towers. Since WTC 7 was not doused with thousands of gallons of jet fuel, large areas of any floor were not ignited simultaneously as they were in the WTC towers. Instead, separate fires in WTC 7 broke out on different floors, most notably on Floors 7 to 9 and 11 to 13. The WTC 7 fires were similar to building contents fires that have occurred in several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function or were not present.



b]WTC 7 was unlike the WTC towers in many respects. WTC 7 was a more typical tall building in the design of its structural system. It was not struck by an aircraft. The collapse of WTC 7 was caused by a single initiating event—the failure of a northeast building column brought on by fire-induced damage to the adjacent flooring system and connections—which stands in contrast to the WTC 1 and WTC 2 failures, which were brought on by multiple factors, including structural damage caused by the aircraft impact, extensive dislodgement of the sprayed fire-resistive materials or fireproofing in the impacted region, and a weakening of the steel structures created by the fires.[/b]

See for yourself!! it even acknowledge that there was a difference. Building wasnt even struck by a plane yet it collapse as if it was struck by one. Fires from WTC 1 spread to WTC 7 and triggered a structural collapse!!! which kind fire be that? Fire that resulted in an asymetrical collapse of a building. My brother please re-examine this.Dont tell me you believe everything the government tells you?

Why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone?
The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires. The fires in WTC 7 were similar to those that have occurred in several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function or were not present. These other buildings, including Philadelphia's One Meridian Plaza, a 38-story skyscraper that burned for 18 hours in 1991, did not collapse due to differences in the design of the structural system.

Factors contributing to WTC 7’s collapse included: the thermal expansion of building elements such as floor beams and girders, which occurred at temperatures hundreds of degrees below those typically considered in current practice for fire-resistance ratings; significant magnification of thermal expansion effects due to the long-span floors in the building; connections between structural elements that were designed to resist the vertical forces of gravity, not the thermally induced horizontal or lateral loads; and an overall structural system not designed to prevent fire-induced progressive collapse.



Why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone?
The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires. The fires in WTC 7 were similar to those that have occurred in several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function or were not present. These other buildings, including Philadelphia's One Meridian Plaza, a 38-story skyscraper that burned for 18 hours in 1991, did not collapse due to differences in the design of the structural system


Imagine!! they even acknowledge this is the first time it is happening . Please re-examine it yourself

finally, I want you to know that I respect your views. I cannot impose my views on you its simply not possible. Everybody cannot reason the same way. I believe the official government publication regarding was a fraud, and I have tried to pin point some of the lacuna in their publication.

Lets assume I was wrong and that two planes hit the twin towers and that fires as a result of the impact lead to the collapse of the twin buildings(official story) but can someone please explain how building 7(WTC 7) which is also part of the world trade center came down at free fall speed despite the fact that it wasnt hit by a plane or fire?

can you answer that?

If you dont know. then dont write CRAP.

answers, anyone?

@otawa

mairory posted links which include what he perceived as an explanation for the collapse of WTC 7. I responded appropriately highlighting some of the lacunas
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-410727.0.html

see above link

Please permit me to ask a very pertinent question.

IF THE MEMBERS OF THE FAMILIES OF THOSE UNDESERVING VICTIMS OF THE 9/11 ATTACK WERE TO READ ALL THIS MADNESS, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSE? Please let the sleeping dog lie and stop opening healing wounds cos the memories of those innocent victims will forever remain resh on the minds of those they left behind . john_blaze, you are the one spearheading this so STOP!!!!!!! for a change, think: HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF SOMEONE CAME TO ARGUE THAT YOUR CLOSING FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER WHO MAY BE DIED OF DISEASE DID NOT DIE OF THE DIE, BUT WAS POISONED OR SHOT DEAD BY SOMEONE, HUH?

Ubiman:

Please permit me to ask a very pertinent question.

IF THE MEMBERS OF THE FAMILIES OF THOSE UNDESERVING VICTIMS OF THE 9/11 ATTACK WERE TO READ ALL THIS MADNESS, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSE? Please let the sleeping dog lie and stop opening healing wounds cos the memories of those innocent victims will forever remain resh on the minds of those they left behind . john_blaze, you are the one spearheading this so STOP!!!!!!! for a change, think: HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF SOMEONE CAME TO ARGUE THAT YOUR CLOSING FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER WHO MAY BE DIED OF DISEASE DID NOT DIE OF THE DIE, BUT WAS POISONED OR SHOT DEAD BY SOMEONE, HUH?

@ubiman
I dont mean to do anyone any harm. I am only trying to expose the truth, and the truth is "elements in the US government" planned the attack on 9/11 to justify their invasion in the middle east.

john_blaze:

@ubiman
I dont mean to do anyone any harm. I am only trying to expose the truth, and the truth is "elements in the US government" planned the attack on 9/11 to justify their invasion in the middle east.

Stop! i have said before i knew people who died that day. if you truly knew anything about America or its people you would know that if you so called claims were true the American people (the 5 families in particular) would have already had their justice on whatever politicans hatched such a plan. we didn't need this to justify anything in the middle east - we have been there in one form or another since the mid 1970's. are you claiming now that when bill clinton told the Afghanistan government to release osama bin laden from custody 5 years before hand that the democrats were the ones who hatched this plan? kinda puts a kink in your "evil george bush" propaganda your so fond of. tower 7 has already been explained to you. stop your nonsense and do your research. i suggest opening a book on structural mechanics, physics, chemistry and building codes to name a few.

agathamari:

Stop! i have said before i knew people who died that day. if you truly knew anything about America or its people you would know that if you so called claims were true the American people (the 5 families in particular) would have already had their justice on whatever politicans hatched such a plan. we didn't need this to justify anything in the middle east - we have been there in one form or another since the mid 1970's. are you claiming now that when bill clinton told the Afghanistan government to release osama bin laden from custody 5 years before hand that the democrats were the ones who hatched this plan? kinda puts a kink in your "evil george bush" propaganda your so fond of. tower 7 has already been explained to you. stop your nonsense and do your research. i suggest opening a book on structural mechanics, physics, chemistry and building codes to name a few.

@agathamari
I understand how you feel and trust me I dont mean to do know harm. I believe the truth is very important and that is what I am trying to expose. In response to your above statement

if you truly knew anything about America or its people you would know that if you so called claims were true the American people (the 5 families in particular) would have already had their justice on whatever politicans hatched such a plan

The families affected by the 9/11 terrorist attack have been fighting for justice since 2001, and they are constantly in court over this issue. (see link below)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/14/nyregion/14york.html

we didn't need this to justify anything in the middle east - we have been there in one form or another since the mid 1970's

You are right the US has been in the middle east since the 70's, but the question you failed to ask yourself is how and why did they get into the middle east? America went into the middle east in the 70's to control its oil. It even overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran to achieve this goal;sounds like a conspiracy kindly see this declassified information
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

are you claiming now that when bill clinton told the Afghanistan government to release osama bin laden from custody 5 years before hand that the democrats were the ones who hatched this plan?

of course, its no longer news that the US funded the Taliban in Afghanistan and used them as a tool to overthrow the soviets in the war against the soviets.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3556

kinda puts a kink in your "evil george bush" propaganda your so fond of.

I dont make statments without backing it up with facts. The bush family are a "evil"one. They even funded the nazis in the ww2

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

tower 7 has already been explained to you. stop your nonsense and do your research. i suggest opening a book on structural mechanics, physics, chemistry and building codes to name a few.

I guess you didnt read my response with regards to building 7, if you didnt you can view it
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-410727.0.html

Lastly, I don't hate the US, I love America. I just don't like their foreign policies.

i know of the lawsuits and people involved in them and im privy to info regarding such lawsuits that isnt rleased to the media as well as a few others on here - you can request one of them to explain it to you, im far too disgusted by your coments to bother. as far as teh us being involved in the middle east for oil - that in itself is just more propoganda. ever since the 1940 if some attrocity happens in the world and the us gets involved it claimed to have to do with oil or gold or whatever but if they mind thier buisness and stay out of it its because they are evil and deserve to die. we are damned if we do and damned if we dont. if you want to know the reasons why the us and many other countries have been involved in the middle east try picking up a history book (since you will claim they are bias get one written by somone in the middle east). my coment on osama was not about the cold war efforts of 60 and 70 but of the bombing of us military equipment which was spearheaded by osama himself. as far as bush's grandfather - that means what? every person alive has a family member who did something large or small that would/has shamed the whole family. that by no means implys the whole family is responsible for anything. my great grandfather was in the mob his son ended up being a freaking cop- should i know be punished for what he did? if you look hard enough into your own family history you would be shocked at what youll find, regardless of who you are. you judge each person individualy not by family, political party or whatever. i did read your "claim" but you failed to read what i wrote in regards to it before. that was from a structural enginer involved in the cleanup, my cousin who i would trust with my life. since you are going to claim anything that is published is nothing more then some massive coverup i will tell you again. look up building codes, previous building colapses even expand further and look into failures due to steel impurities (extremly common and one of the things that led to the colaps) in planes, trains, boats, bridges for further info. get a book on physics, enginering, chemistry, structural mechanics and the like and read for yourself. all of what you have posted is stuff spread by anti- republican activists. you need to read independant, non swayed facts.

I think the politician is right. Why is the incident still shrouded in mystery? Most Americans want the case revisited.