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Maasha Allaah, these Muslim guys are marvelous. May Allaah increase you all in Faith and knowledge.

Yes the power of Islam lies in the Qur'aan and the Sunnah of the Last Prophet upon the Grace of Almighty Allaah.

The foregoing has only confirmed the fact that islam will continoue to wax stronger and more victorius.

I advise the non-Muslims to learn Islam and discover the truth embodied in it.

Nopuqeater, vexdacool, chakula, et al, well done. You have been good ambassadors of Islam. It is as if Allaah has made use to take over where we stopped. I could recall those days when Muhsin, Olabowale and others used to put pepper in the arses of the Christians.

all reward comes from Almighty Allah

ccgift I have long known that whenever a point is given to you rather than answer it you ask question to obfuscate the issues, I ask the questions
1. If your god claimed in the bible that he does know the day of judgement was he Lying or was he telling the truth, if he was lying then you are perverse for following a Liar as a god, but if he was telling the truth then you are either of low intellect or questionable sanity---but I doubt that----- as your theology claims this your supposed god knows all, he is the architect of everything, yet does know the day he created.
2. I gave you a challenge that can your god be reffered to as A-T-A-N-A-T-U( THE ONE WITHOUT AN EXCRETORY SYSTEM), you failed to answer.

@Aletheia, and cgift: Quran (Taubah verse 104): Sahih International
Do they not know that it is Allah who accepts repentance from His servants and receives charities and that it is Allah who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful?

While you guys are expecting the blood of a guy to cover you, my Lord simply say that He accepts repentance and shows Mercy to His creatures.


Can your gods do that without a person loosing his head?


And from verse 100, you can read that my Lord is pleased with a group of muslims, already for their efforts in struggle against disbelief; Sahih International
And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and those who followed them with good conduct - Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment. Nothing to it. Just like that. No animal even is killed to get this Mercy.

@Cgift: I read the Comic you posted, from the top to the place where Pope is now a friend of Reagan. That is where I stopped. In the future, I will respond to the key issues of the comic.

But i have to say few things right now: Allah the Almighty Creator spoke the Truth in His Book, The Quran when He says Doom is the end of liars.

You posted the comic without reading it first, i believe; In the comic, which is laced with lies with few truth, you did not even realize that the "True Christians" which I believe your comic take as the Protestants, came out of Roman Catholicism based on disagreements, and did not exist before it. So how is the catholics the later group, instead of being the earlier to exist?

And you complained that Makka did not exist before the 4th Century AD. But the Comic states that the Children of Israel; the jews used to visit the Ka'aba in Makka because of its significance holiness. How did they know it was holy and made it a duty to visit it, for religious reason, except that they learnt/heard it from their forefathers, a proof that Ibrahim (AS) was part of the architecture of the place, being the builder, wiith the help of his son Ismail (AS), which destroys many of the held beliefs in the Bible; That Abraham never connected with Ishmael after he and his mother left the main residence in Jerusalem. That Ishmael and is brother and his children or their children never met again.

That Abraham never built the structure known as Ka'aba in Makka after the flood of Noah. Thatthere was no establishment of worship of One God, in that city, prior to the idolatry becoming the dorminant religion, before One God religion returned to Makka under Muhammad (AS). Read your tract, again, cgift. Dont just be a yahoo yahoo, as they call them, not using his brain. The Jews stopped going to Makka's ka'aba for religious reason when idols begin to appear on it.


Allah does not reside in Paradise. Rather he created Paradise as a place of dwelling for the believers who receive His Mercy. Allah is above His Throne, and we all now that He is not wthin any of His creations, so He is not contained in Heaven, unlke the others.

The hashimites are a subset of the Quraishi Tribe, just like the Ado Ekiti is part of the larger Ekiti. I have to teach you everything. maybe I may have to open your head up and get some brain into it.


And Amina, the Mother of the Prophet (AS) never was reported to have said that she heard a voice telling her that the baby she was carrying in her womb will be the "lord" of this people. The lord of this people and the World is Allah the Almighty, Alone. Not an idol discovered in Palestine, where Children used to dominate for centuries, after Exodus, until the pagans of the worlds, europe and asia/persia sacked them. Incidentally, the Bible reported that King Solomon worshiped foreign gods. Maybe, that was one of his gods that you people have. If you research Arabian history, in their recklessness, two things they did not do;

they never used monies gained from evil means to rebuilt Ka'aba.
they never had an idol named Allah.


To lie that Waraqah had anythin g to do wit Quran is the biggest joke. The first 5 verses of Surah Alaq was the only revelation that Waraqah knew about, the rest were after his death, since it was not reported that Muhammad (AS) ever spoke to him again. And it is saddened that you people will say of Khadijah, a twice widowed and a known business woman, was to have been in convent and sent out to bean agent of Catholic pope. When do the 2ice divorced was in convent? Enquiring mind wanna know?

And Allah has answered the comic as Augistine name was mentioned as the one whose works Muhammad used; Allah says in Surah Qamar that this Quran is authentic Arabic Tongue, thou they say his teacher is from another tongue. Now ask yourself, how could an Ashante teach you a story of Wollof, and your mother tongue in your mother tongue? Muhammad was known as unlettered, so how did he write Augustines work? And to claim, amng other lies that there is still more work of Muhammad (AS) unpublished, and this is in the hand of the Ayatollas is madness of the highest order. The first ayatolla was Khomeini, of 1979, while islam is over 1400 years, without any secret from the very first 5 verses revealed to him by His Lord through Jibril (AS).


Islam holds a specifically unique view of Mary, as virgin, similar to what the whle Christian world holds. And states that Jesus was a human, a prophet to his people, the Children of israel, only. The Bible bears the same statement, and Quran proofs that Jesus was human, needing foods and drinks, all human needs to keep alive. There is no proof from anywhere that jesus is more than that. he failed in his prophesy to return to his disciples while they are still alive. The christians believe that he was tormented by satan any times, struggling with him; is any of these a hallmark of true Divinity?


And to say that Islam has anything to do with the earlier religions, sabean, christianity or paganism disgusting for islam is the antithesis of each of them, including Judaism, calling each to join up in worshiping One God, without taking any patron along. Sabeans were in Palestine, it must have something to do with Judaism and Christianity, while islam started in Makka, then headquartered in Madina, until the Saudi Kngdom was founded.

Islam never favored Catholics over any other christians, or jews. Even other idolatry like Hinduism enjoyed the hospitality of islam when it ruled India for close to 8 centuries. And never has anyone looked at the Pope or anyone as a Prophet after Muhammad (AS). And before Muhammad, Jesus (AS) was the last.

Sometimes the comic writer is so confused forgetting that he has said that the Arabs of North Africa were the true Christians, he turned them to Catholics, and then said Muslims invaded them and killed them. Yet they the children of ishmael were united together under islam. Whats wrng with this picture except lies, since Muslims were not supposed to force anyone into religion as demonstrated by what happened in Spain, and India where no forced conversion took place. Islam under Amir Umar bin Kattab entered Egypt to defend the Coptic against the Roma Catholics in the famous usage of Miswak in the morning which Allah made the enemy see as sharpening of the teeth to consume them.


While the word "INFIDEL" does occur on the pages of the Bible, in the book of Timothy, it is not a word that has any root, I say in Quran and or hadith, and Muslims do not do the bidding for catholics or anyone, so I do not know where the basis for the alliance that is being promoted comes from?

While Jews by chioce face the wailing wall, and the catholics go to the vatican, haji and Ummra to Makka is commanded on believers, the raeson when the children of israel believed go there, too. Read your comic and then read the Quran. What is the reason the children of Israel used to visit the Kaaba, i ask you the second time? It Isaac was the son of sacrifice, a child his mean mother go at 90 years old, we could have expected all the fanfair that could have been established by the jews for this occasion. Afterall, for mere wars, they have Yom Kippor. It was Ismail and we can only use our human knowledge of reasoning to see the actual event. Afterall, he was the first son, older by 13 years at least from a bondswoman who was despised according to your Bible and the comic. is there a better slaughter, amounting to nothing, maybe his mother and him did not even worth anything, according to the Bible. Glry belong to Allah because he did not in any tradition sell his birth right like the other guy, according to the Bible. And dome of the rock is not the 2nd most holy Islamic site, but Masjid Nawawi in Madina is. And in Jerusalem, the dome of the rock is below Masjid Aqsa which is mention in Quran. Dome of the rock (Masjid Umar), houses the rock that levitated to want to go to heaven with Muhammad (AS), and the Messenger says to it, no, by hand's gesture, and the palm imprint is on that rock, a sign seen by many, and a lot of jews have converted to islam because of this.

The dome of the rock was therefore built to commemorate Ishmael, but the rights of Hajj and Umra was a remembrance of his father, his mother and him. All of these are in Makka. You people are ignorants.

As I read your comic, I have to chuckle because it says that Crusade came long time before Spanish inquisitions. And said inquisition only took place in 1936 pain, which muslims had earlier rules Spain out of Cordova, Sarville and other cities for close to 8 Centuries before Queen isabella came to power and defeated the muslims, who in essence had introduced new thing of their choice into their islam, the reason the pagan was able to defeat them because of their lukewarm belief. It is a big stretch that 1936 was a year in Europe, after 1st world war that Muslim can join any army in europe to fight any european. It is not possible.


And it is a sin that islam fight against, that Muslim will now turn around as say they are children of God. This is what islam preaches against. And any ecret agreement with Makka and Vatican city is still a secret that no muslim is aware of. Makka did not ecome a seat of Islam until the establishment of the Saudi kingdom under the house of Saud. Madina was the headquarter of islam from the time of Hijr, until it was moved to Bagdad in Iraq. So where did you find your secret alliences of Makka and vatican?

By the way, since the Jews used to make religious visits to Makka, it disproves your statement in the past that makka was not a city known, until 4 century AD. Your own post calls you a cronic liar.


And the dancing sun vision seen only by the Pope Pious the XII, is similar to the jesus as "god" vision seen only by the incredible Saul, who became Paul. But never happened. Read your own comic. And did Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad died before him? No child survived Muhammad (AS) except Fatima (RA). So to say that the unlettered father wrote abot his dead daughter, anything is a fantastic lie, for Muhammad (AS) died before Fatima (RA). While it is true that mary the mother of jesus was a pious woman in islam, nothing was said of her and Fatima together. But I see from your comic an the protestant's opinion that Mary is not pious, but her son is your god, lord and savior.

Now I ask you, can impure produce 100% pure?

Can 100% Pure produce impure?

Can 100% Pure comingle with impure?

Is Mary the wife of God, since you call jesus son of God sometimes, without finding madness in the utterance, while Mary is human as we all know?

Baruch haba b'shem Adonai. . .

Blessed is He (Jesus) who comes in the Name of the Lord . . .

1. He was bleeping mary magdaline.
2.he was crying like a slowpoke while hung on the cross.
3 he was running away form some rag-tag tout wanting to killed him.
Still loading for update. . . . .

Rhino.3dm:

1. He was bleeping mary magdaline.
2.he was crying like a slowpoke while hung on the cross.
3 he was running away form some rag-tag tout wanting to killed him.
Still loading for update. . . . .

And he has been a beacon of hope and happiness to BILLIONS of people for the past 2,000 years.
No philosopher /atheist can beat this, no matter how long they grumble.

"The Lord said to My Lord, . . . 'Rule in the midst of your enemies'. . . "

imhotep:

Baruch haba b'shem Adonai. . .
. . .

^
Matthew 23:39. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. 

@Aletheia: While you are fighting to define Adonia, as the Name the Jews call God in the time of their crucial needs, Jesus in the time of his crucial need called him Eloi.

Now why are these two names used? Which one gets the attention of God quicker, over the other one? And note that Yahweh or Jehovah was not even used here by the needies?

My approach to you this afternoon is to let you know that no creation of God is part of Hm, as indicated by Him on the pages of Quran. So I am now quoting Surah Hijr Verse 29, where Soul/spirit is mentioned for man. The first which is the example here is the breathing of it into Adam who immediately became a live man. Read it; Allah says the Ruuh (Soul, Spirit) {CREATED}.


Allah did not hold the head of Adam and breath into it. He simply commanded the created Soul/Spirit of man to enter him and make him a man alive, instead of a heap of dirt, laying there before.

When Alla said that Jesus was a Spirit (Ruuh) issued/going forth from Him, it mean from this same Human type Ruuh, which has no role of a male sperm to make the baby form, because it is a miracle which the mother's egg is enough to fulfill in the eye of those who will see it. This is unusual to the normal soul/spirit coming forth from God which the people at the time are familiar with, forgetting that the same God had started mankind without even an example, neither a father nor mother for Adam (AS), and we can say that Eve is the same, but a clone from Adam, with a different gender change to complete the male and female groups of mankind.

We are all spirit/soul coming forth from God, from the same batch of spirit/soul that Adam became alive by, that Jesus came out of his mother's womb by.


Jinn which Satan is from is also a specie with spirit/soul created, too. But their type is different from that of us, human.


Angels have their own soul/spirit too. Different from either of the above.

While angels are created from LIGHT.

Jinns are created from Smokeless fire, the reason Satan was arrogant and felt superiority over Adam, a thing created from dirt, Iblis said of Adam,

@Aletheia: Please read Surah Yunus Verses 35 to about 106. You will see in them that Allah asks; Is One God not better in Purpose than many gods and how Allah destroyed Pharaoh on the supplication request of Prophet Musa (AS). Alah instructed His Messenger Musa to settle his people into their homes and Make Salah (All Night), which you people call passover. What they did that Night was their own Salah. And we see the reult that Pharaoh was destroyed, completely, body saved as sign for future generation.


And when I read Surah Yusuf, I again saw how he begged God ALmighty to let him go to jail/prison so that he would not commit fornication. This shows that fornication was a law that was already established, hence Sarah could not have encouraged her noble husband to commit it on Hajar, except they were evil people, which they were not. Hence Hajar was the second wife of Ibrahim, and there was no illegitimacy in the life of Ismail (AS), the legal son of Ibrahim.

Read Yusuf further, you will see how he told the two people in prison that he was on a religion of his forefathers, Ibrahim being the helm of it. Remember that Judaism as a people or religion  was not mentioned then, and was not even known as a religion in the time of Musa, many centuries, later.

Finally on Yusuf, you will see how his Lord made his dream of his parents and brothers bowing to him. Of course there were sisters, too. And it is always emotional when read in Arabic.


ead Surah Ibrahim and see what Ibrahim (as) prayed to his Lord, which you people call covenant as his Creator accepted it from him. It was in Makka, and it included Ismail, Isiaq (AS to both).


You will have a lot to answer to your Creator if you die as a disbeliever. But at least you cant blame any muslim. At least you witness that we are muslims.

@imhotep; [Quote]"The Lord said to My Lord, . . . 'Rule in the midst of your enemies'. . . "[/Quote]did it happen?


if you are sure it did happen, give us the full gist of it; when, where, how , who, maybe what?

we know that Kind David did. Even King Saul did. We know Solomon did.


We know Moses did.


Who is that your lord that ruled in the mist of his enemy? name, time and instances of the ruling.



Otherwise, it is another statement that never amount to truth.



Aletheia, sheeeee oooooo ngbo?

nopuqeater:

@imhotep; did it happen?

if you are sure it did happen, give us the full gist of it; when, where, how , who, maybe what?

we know that Kind David did. Even King Saul did. We know Solomon did.

We know Moses did.

Who is that your lord that ruled in the mist of his enemy? name, time and instances of the ruling.

Otherwise, it is another statement that never amount to truth.

TIP OF THE ICEBERG >>

1. Jesus Christ was spoken against during his life:
-- the Gospels claim that Pharisees and other critics said that he was allied with Beelzebub,
-- that he was a drunkard and a glutton, (based upon his participation at banquets and feasts),
-- that he was a blasphemer who made himself equal to God.

2. Throughout history, Jesus of Nazareth was also spoken against:
-- Docetists said that his body was not true but only an appearance.
-- Arians said he was not God.
-- Nestorius, the Patriarch of Constantinople, said Jesus' mother Mary was not the Mother of God, but only the mother of the human being called Jesus.
-- Thus, Nestorius also denied that it is God the Son who became man

3. In the nineteenth century, some questioned the historicity of Jesus,
-- In contemporary times, novels such as the Da Vinci Code and movies such as the Last Temptation of Christ have portrayed him as romantically linked with Mary Magdalen.

4. NOW, While many of Christ's enemies have fallen (the Roman authorities and their empire fell in 476, the authorities in the Sanhedrin during his time died, their temple in Jerusalem destroyed in 70 AD by Titus), Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead and his religion became the largest religion in the world .

. . . Blessed is He who comes in the Name of The Lord . . .

^^^^^^ in all of the long statement above, imhotep managed to beg my questions, raise based on his biblical quote of 'The Lord spoke to my lord, '

bad presentation. bad presidence.


@aletheia, help your brother who is doing so terrible a job.


cgift has gone fishing.

nopuqeater:

^^^^^^ in all of the long statement above, imhotep managed to beg my questions, raise based on his biblical quote of 'The Lord spoke to my lord, '

bad presentation. bad presidence.

AN INVITATION >>

PHILOSOPHER: "How does one discover [/b]God"?

[b]MASTER: "Through making the heart white with silent meditation, not making paper black with religious composition. Or making the air thick with learned conversation".

^^^^^^Imhotep, do you see how you leave the Bible and jump into philosophy, only to walk away from the truth?

Most of you people are so blind, that even anybody could have proposed that Jesus has come back and sitting in a home, somewhere in Jerusalem. No one of you would bat an eye, believing it to be true.

Who is the "Lord (lord) that your Lord spoke to? This is simple and straight forward enough. You should answer it straight and support it with proof(s), evidence(s).


I was just thinking this morning:

1. If Jesus is God, why son, too?
But then if Jesus is God, why say Someone else is his Lord God?


2. If jesus is the Lord God, why be servant to Someone else, God?
But then Jesus Named that his Lord God, Eloi.


3. If Jesus is the Master of all, why say "Jesus, Your servant, who You sent"?
But then Jesus says his Lord God Who is in Heaven.


4. If Jesus is the Creator of all, why say "of my own power, I can do nothing"?
But then Jesus did not bring anything new.


5. If Jesus is the way (notice it does say the only way. But I think the overzealots do not know that it means, the way from his messengership,
to when a new messenger will arrive, not counting what were before his time and what will be when the next messenger arrives), would it not
mean those who did not know about Jesus, and have passed away before him are all condemned, including the Personal Friend of God, Abraham?
But then Adam and Eve were forgiven of their only sin, which the christians and Jews call original sin. Noah will not go to hellfire, because there is
no evidence to say otherwise, Abraham will not be cast into hell because there is no sin we know that he committed, and God Loves him enough
say that He is a Friend of Abraham. There is no way that Lot will go to hell, after he was saved from the Sodom and Gommorrah horror. Is Isaac or
big brother Ishmael that any of you will say will go to hell? Impossible. What about jacob, or Joseph a son honored, or Moses and Aroon?


6. If no one gets to God except through Jesus, why say there is another comforter to come?
But then Jesus said to his companions, "you have little faith to handle many things". But when the another comforter comes he will give what I do
not give to you because your ability cant take it.


7. If Jesus completed everything, why say the another comforter will complete and guide to all things?
But then as Jesus did not identify the another comforter, but says he will be a spirit of truth, speaks only what he hears from God, teaches to all
things, elevates Jesus in due proportion, corrects mistakes that will be on ground when he arrives and abides with people for ever, in the same
way that Jesus abides, being a comforter himself, is a ghost this another comforter, when we know ghost does not have a human voice, and not
from human kind, since there is no presidence that a specie different from man has ever ministered to man, before, what record do we have of the
work of the ghost that will make us believe that it was not a human being that Jesus was talking about, and how bad a group of scholars were
the disciples that they have to be corrected, so quickly, unless it is believe that they have entered mistakes to the teachings of Jesus so quickly?


8. If Jesus says that he will return while at least some of his disciples were alive, we would have expected it to happen so that we can belief him.
But then Jesus has not returned since God took him up, over 2000 years, ago. Is there any of his disciples alive to give him the test of fulfillment
of this very litmus for the Christian Jesus? Anyone, anywhere? No?


9. From all of the above, if Jesus does not pass the test of what the Christians call him, how can we take what Paul say of him as truth over what
Jesus actually says of himself, based on the outcome of what we know of Jesus, by the above and many too numerous to put here, unless I am
overkilling the issue and grandstanding which are not my purposes, here?
But then, can we truth Paul, except that we say he is an overzealot, trying to win souls, with hook or by crookery? Can Paul know Jesus more
the disciples? is it possible that Paul will know Jesus more than Jesus?


@Aletheia: I wo tie nshe okunrin ntie. Moo mo wipe Imhotep oo ni fesi. Now the ball is in your court to defend the indefensible.

Surah Ta Ha speaks about those who reject Islam; Quran, Muhammad (AS), indeed representing all the presiding Messengers and Prophets.


20:99 Sahih International
Thus, [O Muhammad], We relate to you from the news of what has preceded. And We have certainly given you from Us the Qur'an.

20:100 Sahih International
Whoever turns away from it - then indeed, he will bear on the Day of Resurrection a burden,

20:101 Sahih International
[Abiding] eternally therein, and evil it is for them on the Day of Resurrection as a load -

20:102 Sahih International
The Day the Horn will be blown. And We will gather the criminals, that Day, blue-eyed.

20:103 Sahih International
They will murmur among themselves, "You remained not but ten [days in the world]."

20:104 Sahih International
We are most knowing of what they say when the best of them in manner will say, "You remained not but one day."

And when you talk about intercession, Allah has granted the one that will intercede that position;

Ta Ha verse 109; Sahih International
That Day, no intercession will benefit except [that of] one to whom the Most Merciful has given permission and has accepted his word

nopuqeater:

And when you talk about intercession, Allah has granted the one that will intercede that position;

Ta Ha verse 109; Sahih International
That Day, no intercession will benefit except [that of] one to whom the Most Merciful has given permission and has accepted his word

@nopugeater
I see where you are going. . . I will only respond by giving you more food for reflection . . .
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THE WORLD FAIR OF RELIGIONS >>
My friend and I went to the fair. THE WORLD FAIR OF RELIGIONS,

1) At the Jewish Stall we were given hand-outs that said that God was All-Compassionate and the Jews were his Chosen People. The Jews. No other people were as Chosen as the Jewish People.

2) At the Moslem Stall we learnt that God was All-Merciful and Mohammed is his only Prophet. Salvation comes from listening to God's only Prophet.

3) At the Christian Stall [/b]we discovered that God is Love and there is no salvation outside the Church. Join the Church or risk eternal damnation.

4) On the way out I asked my friend, '[b]What do you think of God?' He replied, 'He is bigoted, fanatical and cruel.'

5) Back home, I said to God, 'How do you put up with this sort of thing, Lord? Don't you see they have been giving you a bad name for centuries?'

6) God said, 'I didn't organize the Fair. I'd be too ashamed to even visit it'

@Imhotep: from your "Fair" story, above, you made a blunder at the Muslim Stall; Muhammad is not the only prophet.


Muhammad is the last prophet. Big difference from only.


Still you have avoided the approach from the Bible.


Who is that your Lord that The Lord spoke to?

see where am going now?


There are two Lords in your Biblical verse partially quoted, above. Thats idolatry.

nopuqeater:

@Imhotep: from your "Fair" story, above, you made a blunder at the Muslim Stall; Muhammad is not the only prophet.


Muhammad is the last prophet. Big difference from only.


Still you have avoided the approach from the Bible.


Who is that your Lord that The Lord spoke to?

see where am going now?


There are two Lords in your Biblical verse partially quoted, above. Thats idolatry.

MALLAM [holding up a Quran] : "By what sign [/b]will others know that you are a Muslim?"

[b]PUPIL: "LOVE. . ."

The Mallam was about to say "WRONG", but stopped himself in the nick of time. . .

^^ ;d

Asalamualaikum! fi antum
God's love is superior to the knowlege we know of him.

Asalamualaikum! fi antum
God's love is superior to the knowlege we know of him.

Almuhandis:

Asalamualaikum! fi antum
God's love is superior to the knowlege we know of him.

^^Welcome to this thread. Waiting to hear your contribution to the debate.

@Imhotep, Aletheia, and others;

Go on Youtube and watch the Jewish Orthodox and Christian orthodox individuals, before the new age Judaism and Christianity prostrating their faces, like Muslims. (Hindus, Buhhdists do some form of prostration, too).

Youtube videos; From Ethiopia a place that have known Christianity longer than Nigerians, etc "An Ethiopian orthodox Easter at Lalibela."

Other Christian Orthodox groups: "Early Christian Mysticism;The Jesus Prayer."
                                                     
                                                     "Early Christian Prayers."

                                                     "Possible Origin of Islamic Prostration."


From the Jews: "Prostration in daily Jewish Prayers."

                        "Daily Jewish Prayer and Submission."




Look imhotep, if you have nothing tangible to contribute, dont resort into fairy tales which you present as something philosophical or brain food. In conversation of reality, this is what we are are having here.


Is Jesus God? The answer from the Bible is no. Jesus said it himself; "Am a Servant sent by Him, my Lord God Creator, Who is One."

Is Jesus son of God? The answer is no, also from the Bible. Mary his mother is not the wife of God, Eloi. You know it and I know it.


Is Jesus the only way to God? The answer is no. From the Bible we see that others before him were the ways, in their own individual times.

And after Jesus, Jesus was no more way, immediately the Another Comforter, like him arrived, just like the earlier ways ceased to be a way the moment the one that succeeded him arrived. Note that Jesus said that the final way, who succeeded Jesus, Jesus said about him that he will abide with "All peoples", for ever the same way Jesus is now abiding. That symbol of abiding is the works of the Another Comforter; The Revelation that he received, which he hears [Quran], leading to all thing by it, and correcting all by it. The detailed explanation of each thing is in authentic hadith, which always agrees with the ayah of Quran that it explains, and finally glorification in due proportion of the man, human messenger Jesus son of Mary.

Incidentally, there is no more claim by anyone that God Almighty gave him guidance in form of a NEW BOOK, for a Path not crocked, after the Another comforter's Quran. It is now 1400 years and counting.

People of the cross, with their Shebu (cross) think that they can fool us with Arabic writing. When you call Allah haba, we know that there is no truth in it.


Who is the Zhaujah of Allah?


Ibnu Allah must have an Umm.


The Umm must be a Zhauj (Mate, Partner) to her Mate.

Almuhandis, your lies is very clear to us; Mr. Coptic or whatever you are.


But witness that we in Islam are Muslims, bowing our will fully to Allah, Who is no father to anyone or a partner of anyone.

Mallam Nopuqeater,

please why u come abandon that thread like dat ?. . . we never finish na? Who is the spirit of Allah?

Or maybe i should put up the question, it appears we have flenty flenty Abokis here

Sura 4:171 (Al-Nisa) - "Al-Masih (Messiah), Isa (Jesus) the son of Mariam, was no more than Allah's apostle, and His[Allah's] Word which He bestowed on Mariam, for he is a spirit proceeding from Allah."

#1: The witness of Sura chapter 4 and verse 171 (Al-nisa) said it plain that Jesus is the son of Mariam (Virgin Mary)
#2: He goes on to say, Isa (Jesus) was also Allah's apostle

#3: He spoke under the true influence of Allah (peace unto him) that Isa (Jesus) is a spirit that proceeds from Allah.

According to your Quran (peace be unto it) Isa (Jhe-isua meaning Jesus) is the spirit that proceeds from Allah (Ruhull-llah), inotherwords, it says Jesus is the spirit that proceeds from God. And what baffles me more is that the same Quran i have read regards Ibrahim (peace be unto him) as a friend of Allah, it regards Moses as Allah's spokesman, it regarded Muhammed (peace be unto Him) as just a messager of God but coming to Isa (Jesus - peace be unto him) it called him the spirit that proceeds from Allah.

Who is this SPIRIT OF ALLAH?

^^^^^^^ Who is the spirit of Allah?


Everyone of us; Animals have spirits, too.


So do the Angels. The Jinns. And of course, since we are talking about humans;

The first spirit type that Allah created for human was breath into Adam, and all our spirits was from that type spirit.

So Eve spirit was from it. So were there children the first batch of full male and female sexual intercourse productions.

Then until Jesus from that type spirit without a father.



All human spirits are created by Allah. None of them is part of Him. He is Completely separate from His creations. None of them is part of Him, I say it again.


Surah Hijr Verse 29, where Soul/spirit is mentioned for man. The first which is the example here is the breathing of it into Adam who immediately became a live man. Read it; Allah says the Ruuh (Soul, Spirit) {CREATED}.


And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration."



So Jesus is not more than created body and soul/spirit.


Allah says the creation of Jesus is similar to the creation of Adam, before him. When Allah decrees a thing, He but say to it; Be.

So it Be.


As in Becoming what it is commanded to become.