alj harem1:

^^^^^

the above maps are not the same one is to port harcount, the other is not

Ola edo:

ChinenyeN:

Andre, what do you know about Ndoki? (serious question).
Killayut, I really do believe you're skewing the Ngwa/Igbo factor in Okoloma history when you say that the Ngwa "seized power". From the traditions I've been told, overheard, read and otherwise come across, Okoloma was founded after Beni Ijaw came in contact with Ngwa Igbo in what is now Ndoki. If anything, the Ngwa were amongst the founders of the earliest 'houses'. So to say that they came and seized power just sounds wrong. I'm only just saying. Not meant to drag out into an unending debate. Though I get where you're coming from.

Andre Uweh:

It is always the Ijaws claiming how they founded Ndokiland. Always rewriting the history of a people. How many Ndoki people believes that. Ndokis claim that they are Igbo from Ancient Benin Kingdom. This Ijaw nonsense must stop now.

Chyz*:

Is there any proof to this or is this another way to deny themselves of the Igbo ethnicity?

Andre Uweh:

1, THEY SAY THAT THEY ARE IGBO: Never denied Igbo.
2. They say they are from Ancient Benin: Meaning, that there were Igbo people in the ancient Benin Kingdom.
Under Oba Ewuare the Great, some of this Igbo groups migrated eastwards as a result of one thing or the other.

Andre Uweh:

^^^
I disagree with the Ijaw linkage of Ndoki people. In Lagos and Ondo states where Ijaws have links, names, language and occupation are easily traceable. But in Ndokiland, it is virtually non existent.
There are Ndoki villages in Ibibioland especially Ika and Etim Ekpo LGA's but not the other way round.

Andre Uweh:

^^^
I disagree with the Ijaw linkage of Ndoki people. In Lagos and Ondo states where Ijaws have links, names, language and occupation are easily traceable. But in Ndokiland, it is virtually non existent.
There are Ndoki villages in Ibibioland especially Ika and Etim Ekpo LGA's but not the other way round.

Obiagu1:

This Ijaw issue is getting out of hand. A people that live in canoe houses and anchor at sea shores and river banks and traditionally don't have “land” settlements, are now claiming the hinterland of every area they ever anchored their canoes. Soon you'll start hearing that they are natives in Gabon whereas they are there as fishermen and no one troubles them. Tomorrow, they'll clam all the creeks in Gabon and next claim the hinterland proper.

The Ijaws were in Bonny as fishermen but the town was founded by the Igbos who have proper settlements there. Now the Ijaws are abandoning their canoes and are seeking “land” settlements in other areas whether the area was scantly populated or not, those areas do not belong to a people that live in canoes.

The Fulanis are doing the same thing now, claiming native in every town they have wandered with their cattle.


@ Abagworo, Ijaws were in both Imo and Aba rivers as fishermen and have no settlement in those areas. That is how they start their claims. Now they even claim to be natives in Lagos whereas they are mere fishermen on the rivers.


It is high time people started driving them away from their waters before it becomes too late. I blame the Igbos that allowed them to fish in our waters. Now they’ve encircled us and even claim we have no access to sea. Who lives in water and creeks except them? Is water and creeks supposed to be inhabited by humans or by fish?

step1:

Are you daft or just plain stu.pid, I said there are no ijaw indigenes in Lagos at all. The fishermen then were the eguns and awori. You people better know what you are saying, how can ijaw claim any part of yorubaland even worse lagos!

Please show me were ijaws are saying they are lagosians or are indigenes of lagos. Idi.ot

step1:

Are you daft or just plain stu.pid, I said there are no ijaw indigenes in Lagos at all. The fishermen then were the eguns and awori. You people better know what you are saying, how can ijaw claim any part of yorubaland even worse lagos!

Please show me were ijaws are saying they are lagosians or are indigenes of lagos. Idi.ot

Obiagu1:

Who is this laying b.astard
You are Awori and you are from Kwara proper.
Just move away, agwo!

Obiagu1:

Who is this laying b.astard  
You are Awori and you are from Kwara proper.
Just move away, agwo!

killayut:

On the issue of Ijaw in Lagos state. People should go back in history. In no Yoruba history there is a mention of Coastal area. The ancien Oyo empire does not extend to the coast. The coast of todays Lagos state has always been settled by a fishing people. The MAHINS. Ilajes and AWORIS. who are these people. These people were Ijaws  who over many many years due to  many different reasons ( arrival of Igbiras through the creeks from Igbira land ) and other mixes  resulted in to the Ijaw minorities there being influenced to change their culture,  a big example of such changes is in to todays  town of ekiadolor where the natives  speak uhrobo but the town is an IJAW TOWN. CHIEF EDWIN CLARK is from EKIADOLOR. almost every body in Ekiadolor speak uhrobo. I dont want to talk about Aladja which is also the same with Ekiadolo.  In ONDO state the people of AROGBO were able to maintaion their Ijawness although a good number f them speak yoruba and have yoruba names. The APOIS of Ondo and parts of Edo are another Ijaw groups that have half of them speaking Yoruba and having yoruba names. along the same coast from ONDO through Ogun to lagos  are the same Ijaw people that got to the Ibeju leki area of LAGOS and eventaully setled at the coastal LAGOS ,  Till tomorrow  Ijaw people sell land in TARKWA,  The word APAPA IN Lagos is an Ijaw word meaning groundnut,  It was named after the minority natives who were fishing there when the seaport was built  to export ground nut from KANO . The sea port became known as groundnut port which is apapa port, Apapa is ground nut in Ijaw.

Today we know that there are mixes in ILORIN AND the pepople there have a lot of fulanis but that does not mean Fulanis  own Ilorin.
It is just unfortunate that the Ijaw man has a very good hospitality that other people  take advantage of,  Its the same hospitality the Ijaw people have in the eastern side where they had a lot of Igbos in to their fold and even made an Igbo freed slave their king. In   KALABARI  there is a tradition call KINI-IYA,  it means to adopt some one or to marry some one,  At that time wealth in KALABARI LAND WAS MEASured BASED ON THE NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE you bought or adopted. This led to a rush to acquire as many Igbos as possible. Some KALABARI CHIEFS HAD as many Igbo adopted people like  more than 200 and all these people were given equal right. a CEREMONY was  always made where all the adopted people would be shaven in the public and given KALABARI-IJAW names. It was the same practice in Bonny , Okrika and Nembe,

You people should know that no one from Opobo, Bonny, KALABARI and Okrika would say they are Igbos. Pretty much like no naturalized american would claim that he is from a foreign country.  The natives of those places  are IJAWS but no doubt Igbos came  to play some good parts in their midst. 

Coastal Lagos was owned by IJAW people. the  AWORIS are va mixture of IJAWS AND Eguns,  The Ijaw in Olodi APAPA is too strong all the way to Ijaw ra ( Ijo-ra ). KIRI-KIRI was an aijaw settlement it means  LAND or mainly land in Ijaw and  every one knows   Ijaw people were the ones that lived there before this time,

Yoruba people of  Ijebu and Egba have just migrated to the area hence the awori  egba wars and trouble. Most of the traditional stools now in LAGOS were recently created,  I was in laggos when they created  the Onikoyi stool in Ikoyi. a stool that never existed. In victoria island the APESE community has always been there and they owned it  the Oniru is the stool but that was  it cos maroko  through ajah to ibeju were settled by Ijaws,  The lagos state government does not just recognize this and unfortunately the Ijaws do not have serious plans for all that since their main occupation isnot threatened.