you muslims are local in all doings.

The women are not allowed in most mosques with men so that they don't arouse the men

What happens then when they raise their heads behind the men - what they do see? 

stimulus:

What happens then when they raise their heads behind the men - what they do see?

a full moon

Muhammad said women were deficient in intelligence and deficient in religion,inferior to men,almost equal to donkeys so how can they be allowed at mosques?
Before I get any hate mails,here is my proof,from Mohammeds own mouth,he is the allah's apostle in this hadith.


"Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah's apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) of Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's apostle?" He replied, "You curse frequently are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you". The women asked, "O Allah's apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in your intelligence. Isn't it true that a women can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said: "This is the deficiency in your religion." Bukhari, volume 1, #301, and vol. 3, #826:

end of story
let a Muslim woman respond!

babyosisi:

a full moon

Are you asking this question for learning sake or why?
I always wonder how some people respond to question in this forum.Anybody can say what he or she likes but the truth remain that every religion has it's way of worshipping and I don't know why you will be worry more than people that is practicing it.

babyosisi:

a full moon

Are you doing the right with this reply?

babyosisi:

Muhammad said women were deficient in intelligence and deficient in religion,inferior to men,almost equal to donkeys so how can they be allowed at mosques?
Before I get any hate mails,here is my proof,from Muhammad's own mouth,he is the Allah's apostle in this hadith.


"Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah's apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) of Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's apostle?" He replied, "You curse frequently are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you". The women asked, "O Allah's apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in your intelligence. Isn't it true that a women can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said: "This is the deficiency in your religion." Bukhari, volume 1, #301, and vol. 3, #826:

end of story
let a Muslim woman respond!

Don't abuse Muslim women for your selfish reason.There are many Hadith that praised women I don't know why you only see this one.Let me enlightening you little The Prophet said the above hadith to caution women from going beyond the boardry of God.Remember you can't reverse what God has done.

official:

you Muslims are local in all doings.

It is better to follow your creator than follow your fellow human reasoning.What do you mean by being Local?

@ Ishmael
Your understanding of Islam is zero for asking this question and you bear Ishmael.Even in Ka'aba Muslims both men and women pray together.Prophet only encouraged women to pray at home is better.

@olutomiwa
na wa o,so man and woman dey jam for MOSALASI too?ol girl i fear you o,una make i run before me and you go jam here
Don't you know it is better for you to keep your mouth shut if you have nothing meaningful to contribute.

@goodguy,mazaje,hannydarl, feelgood & many others with reasonable reply.

Thanks alot for the useful contribution.Infact I decided to reply because of you guys.

Realpoint:

Let me enlightening you little The Prophet said the above hadith to caution women from going beyond the boardry of God.Remember you can't reverse what God has done.

@Realpoint,

Be honest. Your explanation is not at all the reason why Muhammad pronounced women as half-witted human beings.

There is no basis for that in the Hadith or even in the Qur'an. Men and women are prone to want to go beyond set boundaries; so why is it that only women be singled out and given such pronouncements of being half intelligent?

i feel everybodi has his way of worshipping God, and it is based n what he/she believes, som churches too adopt d practice of seperatin men from women like CAC, Olorunsogo, Mushin where i used to attend when i was younger. I feel this is due to some old belief that like Eve did to Adam, women have a way of distracting men from their religious duties, that was why Paul advised that it will be better for male ministers of God to desist from women and getting married (if they can hold bodi, it is not by force ooo).
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The main issue in worship is the HEART[/s]

Realpoint:

?Don't abuse Muslim women for your selfish reason.There are many Hadith that praised women I don't know why you only see this one.Let me enlightening you little The Prophet said the above hadith to caution women from going beyond the boardry of God.Remember you can't reverse what God has done.It is better to follow your creator than follow your fellow human reasoning.What do you mean by being Local?

My dear,I don't care how many hadiths "praised women".
The mere fact that a so called apostle of allah said most people in hell fire were women due to their lack of intelligence cancels any good he ever said about more than 50% of the population.
I don't understand why you even attempt attempt to colorize allah's words,he knows best,doesn't he?

Islamic_I believe it is time for you to do something about those that does not want to respect islamic ethics, it is very bad to be seeing this kind of a thread, for some nasty entity just feels they can just be rubbishing isllam religion on the net, this is very bad of them, what kind on a nationality do they portrait?, This is a time Nigerian to see as one love family irrepective of our religion background, but some fools are just there just to foment hatred, and religious instability, Who are they? Are they God, Just ordinary creature by God, that does not know what the hereafter will be for them, just saying jagons from their mouth,

This is very bad indeed, how many Muslim have antagonize christianity religion, Islam is jut being seen from them as another perfectively because they don't know about it, if they want to know they should seek for knowledge, and they should stop saying what could cost them there hereafter.

Well, i could not blame them, because i see them as enemy of peace, a threat to the nation whereby, injustice will be their portion, if anyone of them considered to be in public office, because already they have natural hatred for a particular religion.

Sen do some about this fast, these kind of post is not too good for the Muslim on this forum to be reading

God be with you oooooo

@agbola,

agbola:

that was why Paul advised that it will be better for male ministers of God to desist from women

I don't read anywhere in the Bible that Paul asked male ministers to desist from women.

agbola:
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The main issue in worship is the HEART[/s]

There's no need to strike that out.

@spaceworld,

spaceworld:

for some nasty entity just feels they can just be rubbishing isllam religion on the net, this is very bad of them, what kind on a nationality do they portrait?

If you're calling for clemency, you don't refer to others as 'nasty entity'. That's very bad of you; and such name-calling will only promote the things you dread.

spaceworld:

This is a time Nigerian to see as one love family irrepective of our religion background, but some fools are just there just to foment hatred, and religious instability, Who are they?

There you go again. If you're asking people to be respectful but you don't respect them, then you're inviting the very same disrespect you serve others.

spaceworld:

This is very bad indeed, how many Muslim have antagonize christianity religion, Islam is jut being seen from them as another perfectively because they don't know about it, if they want to know they should seek for knowledge, and they should stop saying what could cost them there hereafter.

Several Muslims have antagonized, castigated, cast aspersions on, derided, maligned, calumniated, besmirched, denigrated, sullied and slandered Christianity. Go ask oyb; ask islampride; ask kismat; . . . and then the chief inspectorate and honourable rank xeroxer/plagiarizer: babs787. Infact, it was babs himself who referred to your own Muslim translators as "deluded authors that lied in order to deceive"!!

spaceworld:

Well, i could not blame them, because i see them as enemy of peace, a threat to the nation whereby, injustice will be their portion, if anyone of them considered to be in public office, because already they have natural hatred for a particular religion.

I now see how Islam is the religion of peace!

@olutomiwa[i]na wa o,so man and woman dey jam for MOSALASI too?ol girl i fear you o,una make i run before me and you go jam here[/i]
Don't you know it is better for you to keep your mouth shut if you have nothing meaningful to contribute.

if you dont like my contribution on this thread,GO BLOW URSELF UP.

I REALLY OPENED THIS PAGE TO FIND OUT THE REASON WHY MEN N WOMEN DONT PRY 2GEDA IN D MOSQUE
AND I END UP IN A WAR ZONE
PLS COULD SOME 1 TAKE TIME OUT TO REALLY GIVE US THE REASONS BEHIND THIS PRACTICE WHICH SEEMS UNCOMMON TO SOME OF US??[color=#990000][/color]

So far no genuine reasons.

sosoella:

I REALLY OPENED THIS PAGE TO FIND OUT THE REASON WHY MEN N WOMEN DONT PRY 2GEDA IN D MOSQUE
AND I END UP IN A WAR ZONE
PLS COULD SOME 1 TAKE TIME OUT TO REALLY GIVE US THE REASONS BEHIND THIS PRACTICE WHICH SEEMS UNCOMMON TO SOME OF US??[color=#990000][/color]

The same reason that christians pray with their eyes closed. That's what's required by the religion.
@sosoella, things that are common to you may also be uncommon to other people. That's why we're all different.
For example some people find it hard to understand why christians sing and dance as a religious practice.

Be prepared to come across many uncommon things as you learn more and meet more people. Just don't assume your way of doing things is the "common" or "right" way. The world is so big and people so diverse. The earlier you accept that, the happier you will be.

becos men dont give a sh*t abt their women, they basiclaaly dont value women, they just threat them like one of "those thangs", PURE bs

So many other questions you fit ponder about. How you fit improve Naija, you no talk am, you no talk about football, you no talk about petrol. NA de very thing wey dey always cause katakata na him you pick. We wey here, we be imam, if you want correct answer, why you no go mosque, later you go begin ask sey na woman prayer or man prayer go dey answer pass.

ika , u be one of them, as ur name implues "ika" meaning wickedness in yoruba, islam threat women like crap, who ever says no to that sucks, !

Several Muslims have antagonized, castigated, cast aspersions on, derided, maligned, calumniated, besmirched, denigrated, sullied and slandered Christianity. Go ask oyb; ask islampride; ask kismat; . . . and then the chief inspectorate and honourable rank xeroxer/plagiarizer: babs787. Infact, it was babs himself who referred to your own Muslim translators as "deluded authors that lied in order to deceive"!!

@ stimulus
.see the big big grammer!!!! mogbe! wey my dictionary?

if you reflect, you will realise i am replying to your friends' slander.(the best form of defense is offense). i do not go out of my way to slander anyone's religion, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander. in any event one davidlyan/nossycheek(clear that log from your eye!) equals 4 oybs!.

as to men and women praying in the mosque, (this is not from islamic scholars, but from me, before davidlan starts trying to cite thia as a quote from muslim scholars)

The mosque is intended for congregrational prayer. Congregrational prayer is superior to individual prayer. As much as possible, as a muslim, you should avoid any form of distraction from your solaat.(to increase its perfection, and the certainty of it being accepted) woman and men, form distractions for each other.

do you not find yourself looking /ogling classmates(of the opposite sex) in class instead of following the lectures?
do you not find yourself doing the same thing in business meetings?

@oyb,

oyb:

@ stimulus
.see the big big grammer!!!! mogbe! wey my dictionary?

Abi na lie I lie?  

oyb:

if you reflect, you will realise i am replying to your friends' slander.(the best form of defense is offense).

That's why I'm trying to apply that same defence mechanism; although I'm not out to be offensive.  

oyb:

i do not go out of my way to slander anyone's religion, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Yep, and that's why I see the gooses and gander on your side of the fence roasting with tabaco sauce!  

oyb:

in any event one davidlyan/nossycheek(clear that log from your eye!) equals 4 oybs!.

Really? Hehe. . . you're so agitated that you must've spelt "davidylan" in a mix up (no let am catch you sha!)  

oyb:

as to men and women praying in the mosque, (this is not from islamic scholars, but from me, before davidlan starts trying to cite thia as a quote from muslim scholars)

Hmmm. . . who really is a "Muslim scholar"?  

oyb:

The mosque is intended for congregrational prayer. Congregrational prayer is superior to individual prayer. As much as possible, as a muslim, you should avoid any form of distraction from your solaat.(to increase its perfection, and the certainty of it being accepted) woman and men, form distractions for each other.

That may be plausible; but in my own individual opinion as well, any man who cannot keep his heart is a sissified Milquetoast! Outside the mosques sef, the same men have been found doing what their 'kini' were patiently enduring during "reflections". So, whatever excuses they offer is untenable.  

oyb:

do you not find yourself looking /ogling classmates(of the opposite sex) in class instead of following the lectures?

I must confess that was my stock in trade before I became a Christian. Even at that, my grades were not that bad. But when I received Christ as my Lord and Saviour, those issues were no longer issues to me. I can pray with Christian women and not have to feel my thoughts wandering at all.  

oyb:

do you not find yourself doing the same thing in business meetings?

Nope; and even though many oyibos dey come our office, we can still do business without letting eyes and hearts wander!

Is this why Muslim women are not allowed to drive cars, attend schools, or go out on their own without some kind of Islamic overbearing restrictions?  

The women are heavily burquared to begin with
The ninja regalia was meant to render them unattractive to the wandering male Islamic eyes,despite that the men still have byonic eyes that can pierce through the radioopaque outfit,they need to get these women a full roman soldiers armour,complete with breatsplate and knee pads to wear over the black flowing maxi.

oyb:

[as to men and women praying in the mosque, (this is not from islamic scholars, but from me, before davidlan starts trying to cite thia as a quote from muslim scholars)

The mosque is intended for congregrational prayer. Congregrational prayer is superior to individual prayer. As much as possible, as a muslim, you should avoid any form of distraction from your solaat.(to increase its perfection, and the certainty of it being accepted) woman and men, form distractions for each other.

do you not find yourself looking /ogling classmates(of the opposite sex) in class instead of following the lectures?
do you not find yourself doing the same thing in business meetings?

abeg!!
Is that why the Muslim northerners are well versed in their acts with dan daudu?

The word homosexuality has no Igbo name and I doubt if it has one in Yoruba but anyone who has spent any length of time in Northern Nigeria knows that way before Nigerians thought it a possibility that men could lay with men,Hausa men,muslims had already perfected their trade with shemales.

No distractions ko,ogling females ni.

@Babyosisi

Talk small small o! no cause problem for us for north here o! Hausa men no go find am funny at all with wat u just said.

@ishmael, how bodi? God no go gree for any wahala wey Hausa Muslim men go start again!

@ babyosisi
i agree with you that homosexuality is quite rampart in northern Nigeria, but if the ibos were not doing it before they have caught on big time, my male collegue at work is constantly 'toasted' by ibo men, if u were in naija, your eyes wld have opened ok, i have seen and spoken to the very gay ibo guys, besides, recently one was interviewed by a nigerian magazine, with his pic and all and was very proud of it. if youre going to bring homosexuality into things, please be well aware that xtain ibos are very well part of it too, not to talk of lesbianism. Ibo chicks are well known for that, i have personally been approached by an ibo girl before, and believe me, she didnt hide it.

hauwabd:

@ babyosisi
i agree with you that homosexuality is quite rampart in northern Nigeria, but if the ibos were not doing it before they have caught on big time, my male collegue at work is constantly 'toasted' by ibo men, if u were in naija, your eyes would have opened ok, i have seen and spoken to the very gay ibo guys, besides, recently one was interviewed by a nigerian magazine, with his pic and all and was very proud of it. if youre going to bring homosexuality into things, please be well aware that xtain ibos are very well part of it too, not to talk of lesbianism. Ibo chicks are well known for that, i have personally been approached by an ibo girl before, and believe me, she didnt hide it.

hauwa,the only reason I brought this up is because of all the morality especially oyb is quick to drum up accusing catholic priests of pedophilia and portraying pedophilia and homosexuality as a "Christian problem" as though Christianity allows pedophilia.
I know that both Islam and Christianity condemn homosexuality,no doubt.
The mere fact that Hausa northerners led the way in Nigeria when Southern homos were still in the closet,was just my point.
Now that Southerners are catching on do you think the northern pioneers have slowed down?
Immorality knows no culture,when your Muslim brothers accuse Christians of installing gay priests and all that crap boasting that Islam will never allow such,they forget that Christianity does not have a finger or arm cutting worldwide army.

Christianity is by choice,the Bible is the gold standard and the Bible clearly condemns homosexuality.
That the American episcopal Church chooses to have a gay Bishop is a sign of the end times as the Bible says,when men will have itchy ears and get teachers to teach them what they want to hear.
The old and new testaments condemn such acts.

ishmael:

@Babyosisi

Talk small small o! no cause problem for us for north here o! Hausa men no go find am funny at all with what u just said.

Be not afraid,brother!
I told no lies
Some of those veiled creatures walking around the streets of Gombe are shemales

Just buy yourself a loaded gun with several extra rounds so that the next time the able apostles of allah come matching on,their machetes will not compare to your AK 47

@Babyosisi

The thing wey make them kill that poor yoruba woman for Gombe no reach half of this one wey u dey yarn so o!! My hand no dey o!! You better go into hiding o!!

ishmael:

@Babyosisi

The thing wey make them kill that poor yoruba woman for Gombe no reach half of this one wey u dey yarn so o!! My hand no dey o!! You better go into hiding o!!

They don't have a monopoly of offence.
Since they act like imbeciles when "provoked",they ought to be treated as such when they start their rikichi
I wonder why I ended up in the same country with these people.
No thanks to Lord Lugard and his amalgamation.
You see what we have to deal with?

You southerners in the North should better be prepared at all times especially on Fridays.
It only takes a cartoon in a foreign country for the grand Imam to preach "his message of peace at your friendly neighborhood mosque",unleashing allah's able foot soldiers
what's next?
At the rate they're going don't be surprised when the sharia police begins arresting us  and flogging us with koboko as we land at Murtala  Muhammad international for not wearing burquas.

I guess many of us are naive. Our ability to see nothing good in other religions is extra-ordinary. Am a Christian who lives in the Northern part of the country, and I must let you guys know that most of the contributions being made here can lead to religious/civil disturbances. I guess some of you guys need to leave your sations to other parts of the world to get a feel of other things.

There is need to respect and appreciate the next person. Let's have some moderation when expressing our feelings and opinion.

If you are knowledgeable about origin or religions worldwide, we will know that there is usually a division between men and women. I suggest that  some us make some little research or study before making statements to the world. If Islam has chosen to maintain the separation, so be it. Who are we to question or judge that decision - you be God.

LET THERE BE MUTUAL RESPECT.[i][/i]