agabaI23:

@GenBuhari

I never knew you are this rigid to the extent that you think the best way to protest is to waste lives and properties.

GenBuhari:

It is corruption and rigging of elections that starts riots

Buhari won these elections

somze:

I don't get Buhari's or CPC (or in fact their supporter's) logic. It is simply beyond reasoning. Look at the results in the South West. CPC failed to muster 10% of votes in most of the states in the region. He got the required 25% or above in only Lagos and Oyo. If he couldn't get that much in the South West, how deluded is he to think he can get any closer in the South East and South South.

ACN got more votes than CPC in most of the South South and South East except in Anambra, Enugu and Cross River. I believe these are the states CPC has a problem with. Even if you remove these states and Rivers State, Goodluck still wins the election. So once again just what this noise is about is beyond me.

The General should quit being a cry baby. Go to court or accept the election results.

I have seen one of his supporter on this forum using online polls as the basis of his argument that the election was rigged. This is just laughable. Online polls are generally unscientific and unreliable. Goodluck also has over half a million people on his facebook page so if we had a known and widespread online poll, he would still win it with half the number of his friends on facebook. Most polls I've come across fail to even hit 2000 votes mark. See this poll where Goodluck is in the lead - [url=http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/index.php?option=com_communitypolls&controller=polls&task=viewpoll&id=49%3Apresidential-race&Itemid=653]HERE!!![/url]

goggs:

Full disclosure: I didnt vote Goodluck

CPC lost because their campaign was seriously flawed. I supported the party but to my chagrin;
(i) They concentrated in their area of strength (NE,NW) and
(ii) neglected areas that more efforts should have gone to (NC, SW) and
(iii) refused to make serious concessions to other areas likely to be hostile to their ambition (SS,SE)

The result; Buhari was the hero in the NW and NE, but a nobody in the SS, SE and regarded in passing in NC, SW

somze:

ACN got more votes than CPC in most of the South South and South East except in Anambra, Enugu and Cross River. I believe these are the states CPC has a problem with. Even if you remove these states and Rivers State, Goodluck still wins the election. So once again just what this noise is about is beyond me.

osifred:

yaradua was honest when he acknownleged that he knew the election that brought him to power was npt credible, i hope jonathan is also honest to aknowlegde same

gists:

I supported/voted for Buhari too. But in my opinion (GEJ supporters should know that I am entitled to my opinion) CPC lost because of rigging. Maybe PDP didn't have to rig in SW. But they did in SS and I'm tempeted to say they rigged in SE as well. If PDP could magically produce someone to vote in my name and use my vote because I didn't go 4 d for NASS polls. Its hard to beliv that they didn't do the same for the presidential polls for people that didn't go for the polls. I dare say that going by what they did to me in NASS polls, they also did for millions of others that didn't go for the presidential polls.

ACN is not a real treath in SS and SE to PDP so they don't have to perform any majic in ACN's direction.

Having said that I think Nigeria should move on with GEJ except CPC wants to contest the result in the court.

I want to commend the state government for arresting the situation in Mubi. I personally collated the result of the 10 polling units in Maiha gari ward, in Maiha l.g.a. of Adamawa State. I was at the local government while the result for the l.g.a. was been compiled. INEC designed this poll to be very TRANSPARENT. Party agents and observers are always available at all levels, how would there be speculations that this election was rigged.

Bawss1:

Your polling unit was rigged? Why didn't you quickly report this to INEC? How was it rigged anyways, weren't all the votes counted at the end of the exercise in front of all the voters?

Basseti:

Did CPC rig the elections too?

komekn:

Sagamite,

I have to agree with you, particularly in regard to underage voting the evidence is incontestable and well documented by both international and local election observers as well as the whole media.

It really puts to question this whole issue of population censes i.e. more people in Kano than Lagos. consider 5 million registered voters in Kano only 2.5 million voted the rest went missing why? I guess kidnapped by GEJ

Sagamite:

CPC might not have rigged elections but the North where CPC has its power base did.

Most of CPC's votes are suspect.

komekn:

Sagamite,

I have to agree with you, particularly in regard to underage voting the evidence is incontestable and well documented by both international and local election observers as well as the whole media.

It really puts to question this whole issue of population censes i.e. more people in Kano than Lagos. consider 5 million registered voters in Kano only 2.5 million voted the rest went missing why?  I guess kidnapped by GEJ

Logical reasoning will tell one that if Nigeria is a population of 150m, and out of this 150m, half are from the North.

That is NE, NW and NC are about 75 million. Lets even dash 80m.

Considering that the NE and NW are the most rural, poorest, most sparsely populated and most underdeveloped parts of Nigeria, most likely their demographic structure will be more similar to other neighbouring similar habitats like Niger and Chad.

The demographic structure of Niger and Chad shows that the percentage of the population that is U-18 are 52% and 57% respectively. Logic will tell us that NE and NW Nigeria should have something similar demographic structures.

Lets say the whole North is 80m, then AT BEST (52% u-18) the people above 18 must be about 38m in the north.

Lets break it further down by NE and NE. By current proportions projections the NW and NE are will be about 50m, then AT BEST (52% u-18) the people above 18 must be about 26m in NW and NE.

How can they then have 28m voters in NE and NW?

It means that not only did all adults register to vote (effing impossible), they had some extra 2m adults from thin air.

Sagamite:

And I have documented it with simple statistics.

It is impossible for all people eligible to vote in an advanced country to be registered. I don't see how that will be possible in a fifth world country.

Only 150,000 of the 428,000 eligible to vote (38%) in Djibouti registered to vote in their election in this same month of April, but in North of Nigeria (where illiteracy, rurality and inaccessibility is most embedded) we are seeing over 110% eligible voter registration.

Utter fraud!

gists:

Use this same logic and it should not be hard to see the utter fraud on the claim that close too 100% of registered voters miraculously showed up for the polls in SS and SE. I don't mind gej or anyone bring the president (as long as he wins cleanly and with integrity), but he and pdp should not insult our intelligence.

Sagamite:

No doubt.

I agree.

But it is really lame for Buhari to claim cheating when he benefited from circa 5m votes from illegible voters. (i.e. assuming only 50% of the core North, were the age cheating took place, voted for him and 50% for the other 3)

He can't complain about supposed vote rigging which was not significant enough for observers to shout, but yet ignore the blatant cheating of 10m hyper-unscrupulous voting by kids.

Even if 15% (which is the absolute maximum that will vote for him in the SE and SS) were taken from GEJ and given to him but his 5m+ fraudulent votes were subtracted, he would still lose. WITH A WIDER MARGIN as his 15% will not come up to 5m!

He should face it, he lost because he did not get the right number of votes in SW (where there was no rigging) and did not dominate in the North and Middlebelt (where there was no rigging except the voter registration fraud).

If he had been competitive in the SW, he would have had a chance.

gists:

And it must also be that the 10m voting kids was also not significant enough for the observers to shout as well? This is understandable anyway since GEJ and co didn't complain of under aged registering and obviously did nothing about it (they must have had their game plan all along). And what makes u conclude that the alleged under-aged voter voted 4 cpc. Who says pdp can't pull off this unholy act as they have been known for all these years.

Every party has`d right to complain (PEACEFULLY) if it feels cheated. Rigging by whichever party should be condemned no matter how insignificant it may be perceived. Its dangerous to sweep it under d carpet today simply because it favours your candidate because of d day you will be on the other side.

IN ALL D ELECTION HAS BEEN WON AND LOST AND NIGERIA SHOULD MOVE ON EVEN IF THEY WILL CONTEST THE RESULT IN COURT.

Sagamite:



He lost when he did not perfom in the SW an NC. Simple.

Sagamite:

Stop fooling yourself!

The North DO NOT have enough adults to produce the level of registered voters. FACT! The fact that observers did not say anything as it is the destined loser does not change that fact.

Rigging by any party should be condemned but it is funny a party is only condemning the one that does not favour it but ignores the one that does MASSIVELY. The same one that does not favour it, even if rectified will still mean he would lose even if his favouring electoral fraud is not rectified.

He lost when he did not perfom in the SW an NC. Simple.

gists:

You sound like you are taking this personally. Nigeria will be better if we channel such passions as yours to the real issues as opposed to hatred WE (i.e Nigerians, not you only) dish out at each other.

I'm not discussing why or how he lost. I'm trying to be fair for the sake of d future when we will be paid dearly with our own coins. And u re so sure the north does not have the adult population as valid/eligible voters. This is not only an insult to the north (I'm a yoruba man mind you) it is also not inline with Nigeria's demographic stats.

Personally, I don't attach much importance to the observers' view of the election because they will only comment on what they see. They usually dont get to see scenes like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5JSE1YrCs or is it that they just mischievously decide to turn a blind eye (just as they seemed to have done to the under-aged voters)

Sagamite:

I never said there was no electoral rigging in SS and SE, so you really do not need to show me the video.

I said, it was not significant enough to alter the final results.

The reality is that, the ABSOLUTE maximum Buhari could have got in those regions is about 15%.

If he can't get 10% votes in SW where there are muslims and lower GEJ/PDP support, what do you expect him to pull in a place that hates muslims, is PDP current homebase and the home region of GEJ?

Honestly, the rigging in SS and SE is really less consequential than the age-fraud that favoured Buhari. So I can't see Buhari's argument.

I think both should be dealt with, but I think the age-fraud was more of a serious issue in the elections.

And come on, don't go down this line of North having the population to pull such registration numbers. That is fighting logic.

It is IMPOSSIBLE register 100% of eligible voters ANYWHERE in the world. Not even America.

gists:

The video i shared didn't confirm anything in my opinion. It only showed the election was marred with fraud not free and fare as everybody want to bliv. WE CANNOT CONCLUDE FROM THE CLIP WHICH OF THE PARTIES WAS BEHIND THE FRAUD AND SAME GOES FOR THE UNDER-AGED VOTING (you can't convince me they were cpc supporters)!!

gists:

And to say that you "think the age-fraud was more of a serious issue in the elections" shows how biased, hypocritical and unfair you are to Nigeria . Imagine peoples' votes being shredded and one silly woman thumb prints for a whole polling unit. This in your opinion is a less serious issue right?

My point for the last time is as long as we tend to sweep away any act of fraud (no matter how small it may seem) today because it favors us, then people will continue to die (I pray non of your relative is among the victims) and be rest assured its going to HURT us big in future.

I'm not concerned about why BB/cpc lost that's in the past. I'm interested in moving Nigeria forward but concerned we still can't conduct a fraud-free election (the election was peaceful though which is a step forward anyway)

ayusco:

@sagamite this is y i respect and admire your posts u r objective as hell and don't bring some lamef xcuses to defend the indefensible. pls cld u comment on the 'goodluck tells buhari to call his supporters to order' thread woould like to see your thots on the issue