vedaxcool:

Since the Ignoramus cannot clear himself of classical display of Ignorance, i go further to show another grievous evil of atheism:


State atheism has been defined as the official "promotion of atheism" by a government, typically by active suppression of religious freedom and practice.[1] An atheistic state is a particular kind of secular state.

State promotion of atheism as a public norm was first practised during a brief period in Revolutionary France. Since then, such a policy was repeated only in Revolutionary Mexico and some communist states. State atheism may include active opposition to religion, and persecution of religious institutions, leaders and believers. However, whether such persecution was truly motivated by atheism is disputed by others.[2][3][4][5][6][7]

The Soviet Union had a long history of state atheism,[8] in which social success largely required individuals to profess atheism and stay away from churches; this attitude was especially militant under Joseph Stalin.[9][10][11] The Soviet Union attempted to suppress religion over wide areas of its influence, including places like central Asia.[12] The Socialist People's Republic of Albania under Enver Hoxha went so far as to officially ban the practice of every religion.[13]


more on this soon.

This is a game of throw something at the atheists, till something sticks!!!!

State atheism is instituted by communist regimes because they don't want religious authorities usurping the citizen's forced loyalty to the state. Marx said religion is the opium of the masses because it provide a salve for society's injustices and renders the populace ignorant and passive (eg. nigeria, some people in the US) State "atheism" is really just a way to make the state the ultimate power that can't be opposed.
Your next move is probably to blame atheism for the atrocities in the soviet union, but that wad just Stalin getting rid of the opposition who just happened to be Christians ( nobody should shed a tear, jesus should have protected them)

I think you should just keep accusing Nietschze of being a major atheist figure. Then accuse Sartre, Voltaire, Einstein and even Aristitotle. Then accuse mazaje because the FSM appeared to be on my toilet just now while I was taking a atheistic dump and it said, "Mazaje is my son, in whom I am well pleased".

Nietzche remains quite important in explaining events that surround WWII. There is no sticker competition here, It remains baffling how these individuals who claim to be objective cannot even attend to matters without showing emotional trauma! how else do we move if not quoting more had facts:

Marxism-Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression,and, ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs. Within about a year of the revolution the state expropriated all church property, including the churches themselves, and in the period from 1922 to 1926, 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and more than 1,200 priests were killed (a much greater number was subjected to persecution).

In the 1920s and 1930s, such organizations as the League of the Militant Godless ridiculed all religions and harassed believers. Atheism was propagated through schools, communist organizations (such as the Young Pioneer Organization), and the media. Though Lenin originally introduced the Gregorian calendar to the Soviets subsequent efforts to re-organise the week for the purposes of improving worker productivity with the introduction of the Soviet revolutionary calendar had a side-effect that a "holiday will seldom fall on Sunday"

http://countrystudies.us/russia/38.htm U.S. Library of Congress, Accessed Apr. 3, 2008

If this is not an indictment on atheism I wonder what is, any pretense that all stalin did was not in the name of atheism is quite illogical. my appeal is that people should address the matter at hand rather than this hiding behind glib talk.

vedaxcool:

If this is not an indictment on atheism I wonder what is, any pretense that all stalin did was not in the name of atheism is quite illogical. my appeal is that people should address the matter at hand rather than this hiding behind glib talk.

In the name of atheism or communism/socialism?

The League of the Militant Atheist[1] (or The Union of Belligerent Atheists; Russian: Союз воинствующих безбожников); other names include Общество безбожников (Society of the Godless) and Союз безбожников (The Union of the Godless), was a mass volunteer antireligious organization of Soviet workers and others in 1925–1947. It "consisted of Party members, members of the Komsomol youth movement, workers and army veterans".[2]

S.o.G. was an antireligious movement that developed in Soviet Russia under the influence of the ideological and cultural views and policies of the Communist Party.[3]

S.o.G. embraced workers, peasants, students, and intelligentsia. It had its first affiliates at factories, plants, collective farms (kolkhoz), and educational institutions. By the beginning of 1941, S.o.G. had about 3.5 million members of 100 nationalities. It had about 96,000 offices across the country. Guided by Bolshevik principles of antireligious propaganda and party's orders with regards to religion, S.o.G. aimed at fighting religion in all its manifestations and forming scientific mindset among the workers. It popularized atheism and scientific achievements, conducted 'individual work' (a method of sending atheist tutors to meet with individual believers to convince them of atheism, which could be followed up with public harassment if they failed to comply) with religious people, prepared propagandists and atheistic campaigners, published scientific literature and periodicals, organized museums and exhibitions, conducted scientific research in the field of atheism and critics of religion. S.o.G.'s slogan was "Struggle against religion is a struggle for socialism", which was meant to tie in their atheist views with economy, politics, and culture. One of the slogans adopted at the 2nd congress was "Struggle against religion is a struggle for the five year plan!"[4] S.o.G. had vast international connections; it was part of the International of Proletarian Freethinkers and later of the Worldwide Freethinkers Union.

The League was a "nominally independent organization established by the Communist Party to promote atheism." It published newspapers, journals, and other materials that lampooned religion; it sponsored lectures and films; it organized demonstrations and parades; it set up antireligious museums; and it led a concerted effort to persuade Soviet citizens that religious beliefs and practices were "wrong" and harmful, and that good citizens ought to embrace a scientific, atheistic worldview.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_the_Godless

But weren't a lot of people killed because they were Christian? Certainly — but not simply because they were Christian. Communists typically regarded religious organizations as a hinderance towards the creation of a worker's paradise. Some religious groups also opposed the communists. Once again, we are generally looking at political issues, not a question of atheism.

Even if some people were killed simply because they followed a religion, it does not follow that they were killed in the name of atheism. Why? Because atheism is not inherently opposed to religion: it is possible to be both an atheist and religious and some religions are themselves atheistic. Atheism also isn't a belief system or ideology which can, by itself, inspire people to do things — good or bad.
http://atheism.about.com/od/isatheismdangerous/a/AtheismKilled.htm

It is very srange how persons can decide to ignore hard laid facts, it becomes clear how people use dual standards when it becomes to judging matters. lets see the legacy of state atheism:

Religious legacy of state atheism

Author Niels Christian Nielsen has written that the post-Soviet population in areas which were formerly predominantly Orthodox are now "nearly illiterate regarding religion", almost completely lacking the intellectual or philosophical aspects of their faith and having almost no knowledge of other faiths.

It becomes clear that the atheists in the soviet union were out to destroy religion, iT becomes clear that extreme actions are not dependent on being in one religion or the other, the atheist in the soviet union literal murdered people that believe there is a GOD that is worthy of worship, incidents like these undermines the inept arguement of atheist who use violence to discredit religion, they can no explaining away of violence done by atheist, noteworthy is that violence done in the name of atheism is usually cruel and inhumane, literally leading to massacres.

vedaxcool:

It is very srange how persons can decide to ignore hard laid facts, it becomes clear how people use dual standards when it becomes to judging matters. lets see the legacy of state atheism:

Religious legacy of state atheism

Author Niels Christian Nielsen has written that the post-Soviet population in areas which were formerly predominantly Orthodox are now "nearly illiterate regarding religion", almost completely lacking the intellectual or philosophical aspects of their faith and having almost no knowledge of other faiths.

It becomes clear that the atheists in the soviet union were out to destroy religion, iT becomes clear that extreme actions are not dependent on being in one religion or the other, the atheist in the soviet union literal murdered people that believe there is a GOD that is worthy of worship, incidents like these undermines the inept arguement of atheist who use violence to discredit religion, they can no explaining away of violence done by atheist, noteworthy is that violence done in the name of atheism is usually cruel and inhumane, literally leading to massacres.

True for post-soviet; atheism as an institution of social thought. those were violent times indeed. Would you say the same for these times. is Social thought or Religious preference the cause violence we see, hear and breath everyday?

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In the soviet union, the atheist institutionalise violence as a means to destroying religion, if atheist makes silly arguments that religion has brought nothing but violence then the question remains look at what atheism has brought to mankind. If Martian is willing to investigate other causes of violence against religion in the soviet union, then i wonder what has stopped them -the atheist- from being objective in understanding what really cause people to go violence, this behaviour is very common not only with atheist but with people of religion, the Christians will label Muslims violent, but recently when a fundamentalist Christian massacred people, they all sorted to find reasons other than his religion, some even said let us understand why he did what he did, yet such understanding is not done with regards to other people religion. This case highlights the Hypocrisy that atheist commonly use in advancing their case against religion, in other words we will not accept any objective research into the causes of violence by people other than atheist, but if atheist are involved then we will be clearly microscopic in dealing with such issues, when people delude themselves they fool none save themselves and thank goodness history is there for all to read.

Atheism is not an ideology, talkless of it being motivation to commmit mass murder.

Communism on the other hand is an ideology that emphasizes loyalty to the State. In essence, communism is the religion and the State is God. The soviets had to eliminate the opposition and the opposition happened to be religion.  Atheism is one of the by products of communism, but it wasn't responsible fort the atrocities commited by the soviets. Stalin murdered in the name of communism and mother russia, not atheism.

Heck, if god is real, he should have stopped the soviets from killing his worshippers or whatever.

I know facts don't mean anything to a fundie, that's why you insisted that Hitler was an atheist and that Nietsczhe is one big atheistic figure that we all differ to. Atheism is not an ideology!!
So after you're done with your mental ma$turbation about communism, you should also enlighten us on how Al Queda, the Taliban, Boko Haram and the Iranian Supreme council are not motivated by Islamic ideology, but by Buddhism.

As for the christian terrorist, the only people trying to distance themselves from him are his fellow christians. Ive not really followed his case to come to a conclusion about his motivations but I know he definitely doesn't like your type of people lmao

Please I need bright atheist to respond to the issues posed, as it is very baffling how individuals decide to reason, if Mr. A rejects God and Mr. R believes in God, Mr. A threatens Mr. B unless rejects God he finds him a threat, Mr. R will be dealt with. Mr.A takes out his threat to deal with Mr. R only to end up killing him, what motivated Mr. A to kill Mr. R, I believe common sense will tell us, his way of life, which is rejection of God. If This simple analogy proves to be a maths test for any, then better leave this thread while you can still pretend to be an atheist that is objective. More examples of state atheism will be shown, atheism remains what it is, a misguidance that can make any crime acceptable without any to moral question to rationalise.

The fact is that Atheism has never been ideology but based on what transpire of the very fact of life. When you reflect on the existence of God, origin of life and the essence of an observable facts you find yourself playing to the side of Atheists. So, Atheists not only believe Gods doesn't exist also what some term supernaturals are nothing having existence. This means that there is nothing supernatural in the natural. In other words Atheists might hold different views yet their similar view is that they don't believe in the existence of  a God or gods. There are common sense and evidences that the origin of gods is more or less human imaginations which become part of traditions pass through ages.Atheists are free thinkers, they are people who don't just accept anything based on what people believe without questioning it. They would treat every subject with real life phenomenon and those which transcend the ordinary are observed with available facts. In all things they are careful people when treating subjects that involve afterlife and draw facts from the probables, either being from sciences or logical entities. 

On the life of Tai Solarin, which I have little idea of, there are palpable evidences that he's a man with inquisitive mind, man who knows that to serve humanity is a way to better lives; which he proves through the education of the children of Nigeria, knowing that through education they will see beyond the limitations of religion indoctrination.

Its funny how people question Tai Solarins integrity because he was an athiest/freethinker. But these same ppl don't question their thieving "Pastors" and lunatic violent condoning "Imams." I tell you the world has gone mad. To each is own. I celebrate the life of a great Nigerian and human being. He contributed a lot to Nigerian society without taking much from it.

vedaxcool:

Please I need bright atheist to respond to the issues posed, as it is very baffling how individuals decide to reason, if Mr. A rejects God and Mr. R believes in God, Mr. A threatens Mr. B unless rejects God he finds him a threat, Mr. R will be dealt with. Mr.A takes out his threat to deal with Mr. R only to end up killing him, what motivated Mr. A to kill Mr. R, I believe common sense will tell us, his way of life, which is rejection of God. If This simple analogy proves to be a maths test for any, then better leave this thread while you can still pretend to be an atheist that is objective. More examples of state atheism will be shown, atheism remains what it is, a misguidance that can make any crime acceptable without any to moral question to rationalise.

It is so funny how people cannot address issues objectively, yet they pretend to be objective, the point I made is clear, atheism and anti - religious elements need to be objective in the criteria being used to judge religion, Tai Solarin has taken the position of god in some godless individual, hence he is now above being questioned in his views, well i do not worship him, hence i feel free to question what he did say about religion, Like alluded before, from the above analogy it remains clear how objective these godless individuals actually are.

divinereal:

I tell you the world has gone mad. To each is own.

That's only the half of it! The sad part is that the world used to be a whole lot crazier.

During the French Revolution, for the first time in history, a society delved into the prospect of an atheist state.[14] After the Revolution, Jacques Hébert, a radical revolutionary journalist, and Anacharsis Cloots, a politician, both anticlerical and atheist, had successfully campaigned for the proclamation of the atheistic [15] Cult of Reason, which was adopted by the French Republic on November 10, 1793, though abandoned May 7, 1794 in favor of its deistic replacement as the state religion, the Cult of the Supreme Being.

Cloots maintained that "Reason" and "Truth" were "supremely intolerant" and that the daylight of atheism would make the lesser lights of religious night disappear.[16] The state then further pushed its campaign of dechristianization,[17] which included removal and destruction of religious objects from places of worship and the transformation of churches into "Temples of the Goddess of Reason", culminating in a celebration of Reason in Notre Dame Cathedral.

Counterrevolution against the persecution rooted in the anticlerical aspects of the Revolution led to a war in the Vendée region where republicans suppressed the Catholic and royalist uprising in what some call the first modern genocide.

Unlike later establishments of anti-theism by "communist" regimes, the French Revolutionary experiment was short (7 months), incomplete and inconsistent.[17][b] Although brief, the French experiment was particularly notable for the influence upon atheists [/b]Ludwig Feuerbach (who called religion an opiate before Marx[22]), Sigmund Freud and Karl Marx.[14] Using the ideas of Feuerbach, Marx and Freud, "communist" regimes later treated religious believers as subversives or abnormal, often relegated to psychiatric hospitals and reeducation.

vedaxcool:

It is so funny how people cannot address issues objectively, yet they pretend to be objective, the point I made is clear, atheism and anti - religious elements need to be objective in the criteria being used to judge religion, Tai Solarin has taken the position of god in some godless individual, hence he is now above being questioned in his views, well i do not worship him, hence i feel free to question what he did say about religion, Like alluded before, from the above analogy it remains clear how objective these godless individuals actually are.

Here are some of the things he said about religion. . .Let me know which of them is false. . . .

1. National devotion to religion is not what makes a country great.
2. Because of their innate competitiveness, the two religions practiced in Nigeria today undermine any chance of teaching a common Nigerian nationalism . The result is that, rather than rallying behind Nigeria in a national crisis, people rally behind the banner of their particular creed, and that leads to ethnic violence as can be seen today in many parts of Nigeria. People are so much carried away by their various religious identities that a war in far war Afghanistan can lead to religious crisis in Nigeria as we witnessed not too long ago. . .
3. Nigeria is dying today because of religion and the segregation its causing. . .
4. Religion encourages superstition  and teaches  people to fear too many things, things like witches, wizards, satan, etc. . . .Mythical constructs  that have no evidence of existing at all. . . .
5. Anything that man wants to do must be done by man himself. No God has ever helped any society develop.
6. Religion is same as racism cos it segregates people based on beliefs.
7. Moral principles and laws are all man made. Tai stresses that the purpose of morality should never be forgotten, and that its purpose is not to gain salvation in another life, but to attain a good life here and now, within a peaceful, cooperative society.

mazaje:

Here are some of the things he said about religion. . .Let me know which of them is false. . . .

1. National devotion to religion is not what makes a country great.

mazaje:

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2. Because of their innate competitiveness, the two religions practiced in Nigeria today undermine any chance of teaching a common Nigerian nationalism . The result is that, rather than rallying behind Nigeria in a national crisis, people rally behind the banner of their particular creed, and that leads to ethnic violence as can be seen today in many parts of Nigeria. People are so much carried away by their various religious identities that a war in far war Afghanistan can lead to religious crisis in Nigeria as we witnessed not too long ago. . .

State atheism and the french revolution  has clearly shown why myopic thinking precipitate mediocre explanation cannot adequately explain violence, more importantly, Ethnicity rivalry seems to explain the Nigerian condition more than religion, the number 2 point is too mediocre to be taken seriously in any intellectual circle.  .  .

mazaje:

3. Nigeria is dying today  because of religion and the segregation its causing. . .

Mediocre Thinking in  display.

mazaje:

4. Religion encourages superstition  and teaches  people to fear too many things, things like witches, wizards, satan, etc. . . .Mythical constructs  that have no evidence of existing at all. . . .

The same religion nutured science and reasoning, such simplistic view are commonly expressed by mediocre, In Islam,if youhave ever read in your life time about it, the theology remains consistent, only ALLAH has the right to be feared, but point 4 clearly gathers every religion without disecting their beliefs, this proves my point that mediocre is what seems to drive atheism.

mazaje:

5. Anything that man wants to do must be done by man himself. No God has ever helped any society develop.

Mediocre statements like this belittles the god that divinereal worships.

mazaje:

6. Religion is same as racism cos it segregates people based on beliefs.

So also is atheism, as in atheism there will different concepts associated with it,atheist ,mediocre, humaist, satanist (atheist that worship satan to mock religion) etc, again mediocre statements like this are not to  be taken seriously.

mazaje:

7. Moral principles and laws are all man made. Tai stresses that the purpose of morality should never be forgotten, and that its purpose is not to gain salvation in another life, but to attain a good life here and now, within a peaceful, cooperative society.

Mediocre statements to say the least.


if you notice, I use the word mediocre many times, my judgement remains, the above statements are mediocre in content and meaning, and do not reflect any form serious thinking. Mazaje inability to answer cogent points raised simply pushed him to create escape questions, there many more examples of atheism induced violence, but the above indication seriously questions the integrity of atheists, who are too lazy to look at the evil roles atheist have played in promoting atheism.

Like I said earlier in this thread:


only one who suffer from cheap ignorance will pretend that Nigeria issue is not a mix of serious problems, stemming from poverty, political interest,ethnicty, greed, religion etc, but because you cannot focus on my point but prefer counter accusation as a means of showing your famed "rationality",as my pint is clear there exist countless examples of atheists surpporting violence with useless doctrines, and o display wanton ignorance, you said before the present religions were invented people lived in love and kindness, only shows how "intelligent" you are as, any common reading of history will indicate that there was conflict, conflicts always arise when there is something to fight over, this is why the low thinking of Tai Solarin failed him, you cannot take the human factor for granted, Humans will tend to ignore values that he practice when the prevailing situation does not favor him, Pagan society was quiet vicious, as they did things as abominable as murdering Twins, sacrificing people etc such violence cannot be over looked by objective individual, so also we can not overlook at how atheist movements inspired massacres such as Nazsim, in the USSR. but hey, you are too emotional to even comprehend anything.

State atheism and the french revolution  has clearly shown why myopic thinking precipitate mediocre explanation cannot adequately explain violence, more importantly, Ethnicity rivalry seems to explain the Nigerian condition more than religion, the number 2 point is too mediocre to be taken seriously in any intellectual circle.  .  . 

Your answer baffles me. He was talking on the national level. Though ethnicity is cause in a minor. Even along the line of ethnicity there is still a religion factor. Just as the way Ibo Muslim man is going to find it difficult to agree with Ibo Christians on so many grounds. Sorry that you don't actually understand Atheist. If you are defining Atheism from a French revolution at it infancy then you have no argument to make. We all know Science had passed through many events of confusions before fully understood can't be used to judge its present stand and contributions to life and the society. Your remarks are baseless to say the least. It would suit you well to say wait upon God to solve your problems.

vedaxcool:


State atheism and the french revolution  has clearly shown why myopic thinking precipitate mediocre explanation cannot adequately explain violence, more importantly, Ethnicity rivalry seems to explain the Nigerian condition more than religion, the number 2 point is too mediocre to be taken seriously in any intellectual circle.  . 

Really?. . .Last time I checked people were shouting Allah is great while killing others across many parts of Nigeria. . . . Take the Jos crisis, Christians living in Jos were quick to give the city the acronym Jesus our savior when then felt they were unfairly attacked by the Muslims. Boko Haram, kalakato and all the other Islamic militant groups do not go around chanting Hausa is a better language than Igbo when killing others as a religious duty, The chant Allahuakbar and many times the called for Jihad comes from the mosques. . . .I have witnessed many religious crisis in Nigeria before. Its only lairs like you that are constantly saying it isn't religious. If its tribal as you are trying to have us believe Allah is great will not be heard coming out of your Muslim brothers that believe in killing others as a religious duty,no? They will instead be chanting Hausa is greater than Igbo or Birom. . . .

Mediocre Thinking in  display.

What ever. . . .

The same religion nutured science and reasoning, such simplistic view are commonly expressed by mediocre, In Islam,if youhave ever read in your life time about it, the theology remains consistent, only ALLAH has the right to be feared, but point 4 clearly gathers every religion without disecting their beliefs, this proves my point that mediocre is what seems to drive atheism.

How did religion nurture science and reasoning. . . . There is nothing that has improved science and inquiry greater than unbelief. . . And as such the greatest scientist of old and of present are mostly unbelievers. . . .

So also is atheism, as in atheism there will different concepts associated with it,atheist ,mediocre, humaist, satanist (atheist that worship satan to mock religion) etc, again mediocre statements like this are not to  be taken seriously.

What ever. . .

if you notice, I use the word mediocre many times, my judgement remains, the above statements are mediocre in content and meaning, and do not reflect any form serious thinking. Mazaje inability to answer cogent points raised simply pushed him to create escape questions, there many more examples of atheism induced violence, but the above indication seriously questions the integrity of atheists, who are too lazy to look at the evil roles atheist have played in promoting atheism.

Who really cares about your personal thoughts. . . . . . . .Your personal thoughts which are mostly clouded by delusion are of no importance to me. .Pls get down from your high horse. . . .The last time you saw atheist Chanting atheism is great while killing others and maiming then is?. . . .Take a look around you and see what your brothers are doing in the name of your imaginary God and religion. . . .They are killing others as a religious duty and they get the inspiration from the Hadiths and the Koran. . . .

Like I said earlier in this thread:
only one who suffer from cheap ignorance will pretend that Nigeria issue is not a mix of serious problems, stemming from poverty, political interest,ethnicty, greed, religion etc, but because you cannot focus on my point but prefer counter accusation as a means of showing your famed "rationality",as my pint is clear there exist countless examples of atheists surpporting violence with useless doctrines, and o display wanton ignorance, you said before the present religions were invented people lived in love and kindness, only shows how "intelligent" you are as, any common reading of history will indicate that there was conflict, conflicts always arise when there is something to fight over, this is why the low thinking of Tai Solarin failed him, you cannot take the human factor for granted, Humans will tend to ignore values that he practice when the prevailing situation does not favor him, Pagan society was quiet vicious, as they did things as abominable as murdering Twins, sacrificing people etc such violence cannot be over looked by objective individual, so also we can not overlook at how atheist movements inspired massacres such as Nazsim, in the USSR. but hey, you are too emotional to even comprehend anything.

I have already provided a reply to this before. . . .I won't waste my time on it again. . .

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, typical mediocre atheist response,not addressing the issues raised, Thank goodness I replied your inane questions, yet your rebuttal had no credible answer to my response, It seems mediocres tend to be atheist, from the above response it seems an armed robber is not an armed robber since he does not chant armed robber armed robber when he/she goes robbing, mazaje response reveals the true meaning of the word mediocre.

all4naija:

Your answer baffles me. He was talking on the national level. Though ethnicity is cause in a minor. Even along the line of ethnicity there is still a religion factor. Just as the way Ibo Muslim man is going to find it difficult to agree with Ibo Christians on so many grounds. Sorry that you don't actually understand Atheist. If you are defining Atheism from a French revolution at it infancy then you have no argument to make. We all know Science had passed through many events of confusions before fully understood can't be used to judge its present stand and contributions to life and the society. Your remarks are baseless to say the least. It would suit you well to say wait upon God to solve your problems.

Yet a Yoruba Muslim tend to agree with a Yoruba Christian on political issues and even aon cultural issues, your response is comical and reflects the loose thinking of atheism, and yap, it is official your response is more mind boggling than the word atheism. Since the atheist cannot provide credible answers we have to examine why atheist are typical hypocritical by bringing more evidence in relation to the French revolution.

vedaxcool:

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, typical mediocre atheist response,not addressing the issues raised, Thank goodness I replied your inane questions, yet your rebuttal had no credible answer to my response, It seems mediocres tend to be atheist, from the above response it seems an armed robber is not an armed robber since he does not chant armed robber armed robber when he/she goes robbing, mazaje response reveals the true meaning of the word mediocre.

You lied that the crisis in Nigeria is not religious but ethnic and I asked you why your people are chanting Allahuakbar when going around on a killing spree as a religious duty in some parts of Nigeria. . . .In some parts of Nigeria the call to war comes from the mosques after Friday prayers and as such in many cities across the country,Muslims can be seen escorted with heavily armed military men in military vehicles when the go to their places of prayers(mosques) on Fridays. . . .It is part of the Islamic religion to chant Allah is great most times, no? Boko Haram, Kalakato and other militant Islamic groups that believe in killing others as a religious duty are fighting for which tribe?. . . . . .Mediocre indeed. . . 

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typical mediocre atheist response,not addressing the issues raised, Thank goodness I replied your inane questions, yet your rebuttal had no credible answer to my response, It seems mediocres tend to be atheist, from the above response it seems an armed robber is not an armed robber since he does not chant armed robber armed robber when he/she goes robbing

Reign of Atheist Terror

Among people who were condemned by the revolutionary tribunals, about 8 percent were aristocrats, 6 percent clergy, 14 percent middle class, and 72 percent were workers or peasants accused of hoarding, evading the draft, desertion, rebellion, and other purported minimal crimes.[7]

Another anti-clerical uprising was made possible by the installment of the Revolutionary Calendar on 24 October. Hébert's and Chaumette's atheist movement initiated a religious campaign in order to dechristianise society. The program of dechristianisation waged against Catholicism, and eventually against all forms of Christianity, included the deportation or execution of clergy; the closing of churches; the rise of cults and the institution of a civic religion; the large scale destruction of religious monuments; the outlawing of public and private worship and religious education; the forced abjurement of priests of their vows and forced marriages of the clergy; the word "saint" being removed from street names.


War in the Vendée
The Civil Constitution required all clerics to swear allegiance to it and by extension to the increasingly anti-clerical National Constituent Assembly. All but seven of the 160 bishops refused the oath, as did about half of the parish priests.[7] Persecution of the clergy and the faithful was the first trigger of the rebellion; the second being conscription. Nonjuring priests were exiled or imprisoned.[7] Women on their way to Mass were beaten in the streets.[7] Religious orders were suppressed and Church property confiscated.[7] On 3 March 1793, virtually all the churches were ordered closed.[8] Sacramental vessels were confiscated by soldiers and the people were forbidden to place a cross on their graves

With this came formal orders for forced evacuation; also, a 'scorched earth' policy was initiated: farms were destroyed, crops and forests burned and villages razed. There were many reported atrocities and a campaign of mass killing universally targeted at residents of the Vendée regardless of combatant status, political affiliation, age or gender


Hmmm, what cruelty godlessness can sprout, ,

vedaxcool:

Yet a Yoruba Muslim tend to agree with a Yoruba Christian on political issues and even aon cultural issues, your response is comical and reflects the loose thinking of atheism, and yap, it is official your response is more mind boggling than the word atheism. Since the atheist cannot provide credible answers we have to examine why atheist are typical hypocritical by bringing more evidence in relation  to the French revolution.

You lied! My father is Yoruba. We are concerned about religion as the root cause factor that spill into politics. The Yoruba Christians and Muslims can disagree on so many things on celebration observation and religion doctrines. Ethnicity has never be active factor for the killing of innocent Nigerians in the North.

If you are using that as a yard stick in defining Atheist you are misleading yourself of the fact( the fact is that there is no existence of a God the religion people are talking about) . I said before that Atheist are more or less free thinkers, they encompass broad array of people who don't believe in the existence of gods or supernatural beings.

all4naija:

You lied! My father is Yoruba. We are concerned about religion as the root cause factor that spill into politics. The Yoruba Christians and Muslims can disagree on so many things on celebration observation and religion doctrines. Ethnicity has never be active factor for the killing of innocent Nigerians in the North.

If you are using that as a yard stick in defining Atheist you are misleading yourself of the fact( the fact is that there is no existence of a God the religion people are talking about) . I said before that Atheist are more or less free thinkers, they encompass broad array of people who don't believe in the existence of gods or supernatural beings.

You and your father are only 2 people in letters t-w-o, This makes repeat the word Mediocre response, mediocre response would not get you anywhere in intellectual circles, as any serious thinking person will tell you that Yoruba Muslims have fallen victim to violence perpetuated by Muslims in the North, I urge you to read and be enlightened instead of embarrassing us with your ignorance, the majority of corpers that died in the post election violence were muslims, Ansarul Islam, lost their property due to the post election violence, the Emir of zauzau was rendered homeless due to the Post election Violence, the JOS criss boils down to ethnic rivalry between huasas and Birom, that is why you would not here a Birom Muslim being killed by Birom Christians, Ethnicity remains the strongest factor in Nigeria cyclical violent ridden polity, like i did indicate there are other factors, i am not a mediocre who gives a simpleton view on issues. The violence perpetuated during the reign of terror is loathsome and should be condemned by any person, instead of pretending it is stage in atheistic development.

vedaxcool:

You and your father are only 2 people in letters t-w-o, This makes repeat the word Mediocre response, mediocre response would not get you anywhere in intellectual circles, as any serious thinking person will tell you that Yoruba Muslims have fallen victim to violence perpetuated by Muslims in the North, I urge you to read and be enlightened instead of embarrassing us with your ignorance, the majority of corpers that died in the post election violence were muslims, Ansarul Islam, lost their property due to the post election violence, the Emir of zauzau was rendered homeless due to the Post election Violence, the JOS criss boils down to ethnic rivalry between huasas and Birom, that is why you would not here a Birom Muslim being killed by Birom Christians, Ethnicity remains the strongest factor in Nigeria cyclical violent ridden polity, like i did indicate there are other factors, i am not a mediocre who gives a simpleton view on issues. The violence perpetuated during the reign of terror is loathsome and should be condemned by any  person, instead of pretending it is stage in atheistic development.

For the simple reason they found out some Southern Muslims were not observing Islam the ways they deem it proper.

That's another issue with another factor - that case is on' Western education' which the branch of Islamic extremists see as infidel. Here extremism is the case. You being an intellectual viewing the whole thing from a single angle is appalling.

Nobody said that it's perpetuated by ethnicity order than religion is the biggest contributing factor.

Your last comment seems to be supporting Atheist's!

You are a little bit confusing - when it comes to Atheism. I have given you the definition. So, what else do you want to know?

vedaxcool:

You and your father are only 2 people in letters t-w-o, This makes repeat the word Mediocre response, mediocre response would not get you anywhere in intellectual circles, as any serious thinking person will tell you that Yoruba Muslims have fallen victim to violence perpetuated by Muslims in the North, I urge you to read and be enlightened instead of embarrassing us with your ignorance, the majority of corpers that died in the post election violence were muslims, Ansarul Islam, lost their property due to the post election violence, the Emir of zauzau was rendered homeless due to the Post election Violence, the JOS criss boils down to ethnic rivalry between huasas and Birom, that is why you would not here a Birom Muslim being killed by Birom Christians, Ethnicity remains the strongest factor in Nigeria cyclical violent ridden polity, like i did indicate there are other factors, i am not a mediocre who gives a simpleton view on issues. The violence perpetuated during the reign of terror is loathsome and should be condemned by any  person, instead of pretending it is stage in atheistic development.

The Muslims that were killed during the post religious violence such as the emir of zauzau and other notable norther politicians were attacked because the Muslims felt they betreyed them by supporting a Christian instead of Buhari who was a Muslim and that is the FACT. Before the elections many Christians were urged in their places of worship to vote for Jonathan whom many compared to Jesus. Many Imams were on record to be screaming on top of their voices and urging Muslims to vote for Buhari while cursing Jonathan. An Imam personally went around destroying Jonathan's campaign posters in Sokoto . . . .The religious crisis in Jos is NOT a crisis between the Biroms and the hausa's alone because many Yorubas, Igbos and other people of other tribes who happen to be Christians were killed. . .It is only a FOOL that will talk about the Jos crisis not being a religious one. . .As such Muslims all over where chanting Allah is great while killing. If you are caught and your identity can not be clearly established the first thing you will be asked are religious related questions like reciting the shadada if you are caught by Muslims or to say the lords prayer if you are caught by Christians. . .

Mediocre hypocrisy will not help you get to the truth, my initial response still stand, as again you have showed the true meaning of Mediocrity

vedaxcool:

You and your father are only 2 people in letters t-w-o, This makes repeat the word Mediocre response, mediocre response would not get you anywhere in intellectual circles, as any serious thinking person will tell you that Yoruba Muslims have fallen victim to violence perpetuated by Muslims in the North, I urge you to read and be enlightened instead of embarrassing us with your ignorance, the majority of corpers that died in the post election violence were muslims, Ansarul Islam, lost their property due to the post election violence, the Emir of zauzau was rendered homeless due to the Post election Violence, the JOS criss boils down to ethnic rivalry between huasas and Birom, that is why you would not here a Birom Muslim being killed by Birom Christians, Ethnicity remains the strongest factor in Nigeria cyclical violent ridden polity, like i did indicate there are other factors, i am not a mediocre who gives a simpleton view on issues. The violence perpetuated during the reign of terror is loathsome and should be condemned by any  person, instead of pretending it is stage in atheistic development.

The Mexican Constitution of 1917's Articles 3, 5, 24, 27, and 130 as originally enacted were anticlerical and "enormously" restricted religious freedoms. At first the anticlerical provisions were only sporadically enforced, but when President Plutarco Calles took office, he enforced the provisions strictly. Calles’ Mexico has been characterized as an atheist state and his program as being one to eradicate religion in Mexico.

All religions, had their properties appropriated and these became part of government wealth. There was a forced expulsion of foreign clergy and the seizure of Church properties Article 27 prohibited any future acquisition of such property by the churches, and ordered the closing of all church-run primary schools (article 4). This second prohibition was sometimes interpreted to mean that the Church could not even give religious instruction to children within the churches on Sundays, effectively destroying the ability of Catholics to be educated in their own religion

he effects of the war on the Church were profound. Between 1926 and 1934 at least 40 priests were killed.Where there were 4,500 priests serving the people before the rebellion, in 1934 there were only 334 priests licensed by the government to serve fifteen million people, the rest having been eliminated by emigration, expulsion, and assassination. By 1935, 17 states had no priest at all

vedaxcool:

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, [size=18pt]from the above response it seems an armed robber is not an armed robber since he does not chant armed robber armed robber when he/she goes robbing[/size]

Hmm, it seems this mazaje guy only know how to make Mediocre response.

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What do you want to know about Atheism?

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What don't we know about atheism?

Albania and Atheism Terrorism (It rhymes better)

The Agrarian Reform Law of August 1945 nationalized most property of religious institutions, including the estates of monasteries, orders, and dioceses. Many clergy and believers were tried, tortured, and executed. All foreign Roman Catholic priests, monks, and nuns were expelled in 1946.[30]

Religious communities or branches that had their headquarters outside the country, such as the Jesuit and Franciscan orders, were henceforth ordered to terminate their activities in Albania. Religious institutions were forbidden to have anything to do with the education of the young, because that had been made the exclusive province of the state. All religious communities were prohibited from owning real estate and from operating philanthropic and welfare institutions and hospitals. Although there were tactical variations in Hoxha's approach to each of the major denominations, his overarching objective was the eventual destruction of all organized religion in Albania. Between 1945 and 1953, the number of priests was reduced drastically and the number of Roman Catholic churches was decreased from 253 to 100, and all Catholics were stigmatized as fascists.[30]

T[b]he campaign against religion peaked in the 1960s. Beginning in 1967 the Albanian authorities began a violent campaign to try to eliminate religious life in Albania. Despite complaints, even by APL members, all churches, mosques, monasteries, and other religious institutions were either closed down or converted into warehouses, gymnasiums, or workshops by the end of 1967.[31] By May 1967, religious institutions had been forced to relinquish all 2,169 churches, mosques, cloisters, and shrines in Albania, many of which were converted into cultural centers for young people[/b]. [size=20pt]As the literary monthly Nendori reported the event, the youth had thus "created the first atheist nation in the world[/size]."[30]

The clergy were publicly vilified and humiliated, their vestments taken and desecrated. More than 200 clerics of various faiths were imprisoned, others were forced to seek work in either industry or agriculture, and some were [size=18pt]executed or starved to death[/size]. The cloister of the [size=18pt]Franciscan order in Shkodër was set on fire, which resulted in the death of four elderly monks[/size].[30]

[size=18pt]Article 37 of the Albanian Constitution of 1976 stipulated, "The State recognizes no religion, and supports atheistic propaganda in order to implant a scientific materialistic world outlook in people.",[32] and the penal code of 1977 imposed prison sentences of three to ten years for "religious propaganda and the production, distribution, or storage of religious literature." A new decree that in effect targeted Albanians with Christian names stipulated that citizens whose names did not conform to "the political, ideological, or moral standards of the state" were to change them. It was also decreed that towns and villages with religious names must be renamed. Hoxha's brutal antireligious campaign succeeded in eradicating formal worship, but some Albanians continued to practice their faith clandestinely, risking severe punishment. Individuals caught with Bibles, icons, or other religious objects faced long prison sentences. Religious weddings were prohibited[/size].

Parents were afraid to pass on their faith, for fear that their children would tell others. Officials tried to entrap practicing Christians and Muslims during religious fasts, such as Lent and Ramadan, by distributing dairy products and other forbidden foods in school and at work, and then publicly denouncing those who refused the food, and clergy who conducted secret services were incarcerated. Catholic priest Shtjefen Kurti, had been executed for secretly baptizing a child in Shkodër in 1972

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All these boil down to how religion contribute more harm than good. Religion is full of traditions and imaginations!

I sorry for you!

Ok people enough is enough.  From my point of view, I am not advocating an ANTI-RELIGIOUS state but leaning towards a more secular state were everybody keeps their faith to themselves and the states affairs are the states affairs. There must be separation of “church” (“masjid,” “shrine” etc etc) and the state. A caveat is that if ones culture or religion cause physical harm to another human being (including ones children even under the aegis of religion) then the state must intervene. I advocate the law of the land (law created via a democratic process) represent the supreme legal framework of a society i.e. takes precedence over religious or customary law.   I am a freethinker and would not impose my beliefs on others and advocate that other people of faith or lack thereof do the same.  We can all agree that Nigeria has a myriad of problems including corruption, religion, tribalism, crime etc etc. It is time to build bridges not tear each other down. Unfortunately, no amount of prayer or religious devotion will solve Nigeria’s (or any countries for that matter) problems (I wish it was that easy) so I believe it’s time to take different approach as the country is heading down the wrong path. Developing a post religious moral framework that could be embedded with service to ones nation to build the character of future Nigerian leaders (this I believe is what Tai Solarin tried to do with his school).  Morality and ethics are not relative and we need to develop a moral framework that transcends religion and culture based on the common good. Freedoms and individual rights can be equal without restricting an individual’s right to excel over others in any domain they see fit.

That being said, on the idea that science came from religion “Vandalcool” is quite misguided. Religion itself is primitive science; it represents a stage that humanity had to go through as we failed to understand the natural world.  Science and rationality trumps religion in every single understanding of the function of the natural world.  The natural world is beautiful but can be very hostile to life, with earthquakes, storms, wild animals, lightening, disease, the viciousness of other human beings etc etc it is quite easy to understand why human society create gods. Were there scientists of a religious persuasion humanities history that made discoveries/contributions to science? Yes of course but did they utilize their religious doctrine to make those discoveries or did they utilize some form of the scientific method? I would be hard pressed to be in accord with the former.

divinereal:

Ok people enough is enough. 

Enough of what exactly?

divinereal:

From my point of view, I am not advocating an ANTI-RELIGIOUS state but leaning towards a more secular state were everybody keeps their faith to themselves and the states affairs are the states affairs.

The same right you have to advocate for a secular state is the same right everyone has to advocate for a non - secular state, when individuals like you think only your right exist, then that is when anti - religious state terrorism comes in. Can state affairs ever be separate from peoples identity? Don't people make laws based on their experience and intellect? It remains baffling how people think.

divinereal:

There must be separation of “church” (“masjid,” “shrine” etc etc) and the state.

This is where you show your ignorance, The isssue of separation of the church from the state came up simply because then the entire state was either catholic, lutheran, protestant etc, and hence the church as an institution did exact itself on the state, in Islamic state there is no such thing as the Majid giving orders to the state, Islamic state simply run on Islamic laws, the politician remains a politician, the Scholar remians a scholar, clerics go about their clerical business without ordering the state, but at the end it remains every ones duty to ensure the state is following the law, this sort of ignorance remains baffling when you see people that claim to objective making argument that are out of sync with reality, In Islamic state, the issue of legislation is simply based on the Qur'an. and in the Qur'an it is said there is no compulsion in religion.

divinereal:

A caveat is that if ones culture or religion cause physical harm to another human being (including ones children even under the aegis of religion) then the state must intervene.

Who then determine what harms another human, if man loves drinking and drinks himself to stupor every now and then, harming himself in the process should such a state ban the man particularly from drinking? Strange thinking like this fails to take the disparity in human thinking.

divinereal:

I advocate the law of the land (law created via a democratic process) represent the supreme legal framework of a society i.e. takes precedence over religious or customary law.  

The Law of which land precisely? is it the same law people claim was foisted upon them? or the same law that has elements of peoples faith in it? I would like to see how people will make anti - religious law in a country that is known for being religious, I am not surprise at such mediocre thinking coming from you, we only tend to find you quoting entire articles without which you cannot produce any credible idea. No sane society will leave its values to errect laws that are alien to them, no amount of Humanist junk can alter the basic behaviour of men, that is we will always use our experience/relion/culture in charting a course for our society. This is simple common sense.#

divinereal:

I am a freethinker and would not impose my beliefs on others and advocate that other people of faith or lack thereof do the same. 

Yet you insist people must live outside laws that alien to their customs. Yes we see how humanist you are.

divinereal:

We can all agree that Nigeria has a myriad of problems including corruption, religion, tribalism, crime etc etc. It is time to build bridges not tear each other down. Unfortunately, no amount of prayer or religious devotion will solve Nigeria’s (or any countries for that matter) problems (I wish it was that easy) so I believe it’s time to take different approach as the country is heading down the wrong path.

read the above and you can help but see mediocre thinking, mediocre life in play, From the above, it simply indicts Tai Solarin as being a mediocre thinker, it is good that common sense is prevailing a bit and you indicate Myrid of problems, the question is do religion promotes corruption? triballism? crime? Fanaticism? etc it is lack of adherance to morals of religion that makes our case worst, advocating for irreligious society has never changed any society as the French revolution showed it could become nasty.

divinereal:

Developing a [b]post religious moral framework that could be embedded with service to ones nation to build the character of future Nigerian leaders (this I believe is what Tai Solarin tried to do with his school).[]Morality and ethics are not relative and we need to develop a moral framework that transcends religion and culture based on the common good. Freedoms and individual rights can be equal without restricting an individual’s right to excel over others in any domain they see fit.

Now who is misguided? See how hypocritical you actually are? [size=28pt]post religious framework = State Atheism[/size]. Plain and simple look at an example of what you are advocating for:

vedaxcool:

[size=18pt]Article 37 of the Albanian Constitution of 1976 stipulated, "The State recognizes no religion, and [size=18pt][b]supports atheistic propaganda in order to implant a scientific materialistic world outlook in people[/size].",[32] and the penal code of 1977 imposed prison sentences of three to ten years for "religious propaganda and the production, distribution, or storage of religious literature." A new decree that in effect targeted Albanians with Christian names stipulated that citizens whose names did not conform to "the political, ideological, or moral standards of the state" were to change them. It was also decreed that towns and villages with religious names must be renamed. Hoxha's brutal antireligious campaign succeeded in eradicating formal worship, but some Albanians continued to practice their faith clandestinely, risking severe punishment. Individuals caught with Bibles, icons, or other religious objects faced long prison sentences. Religious weddings were prohibited[/b][/size].

divinereal:

That being said, on the idea that science came from religion “Vandalcool” is quite misguided. Religion itself is primitive science; it represents a stage that humanity had to go through as we failed to understand the natural world.  Science and rationality trumps religion in every single understanding of the function of the natural world.  The natural world is beautiful but can be very hostile to life, with earthquakes, storms, wild animals, lightening, disease, the viciousness of other human beings etc etc it is quite easy to understand why human society create gods. Were there scientists of a religious persuasion humanities history that made discoveries/contributions to science? Yes of course but did they utilize their religious doctrine to make those discoveries or did they utilize some form of the scientific method? I would be hard pressed to be in accord with the former.

The above clearly is verbatim quote from a mediocre humanist, In the Qur'an Allah encouraged the believers to ponder on the creation, As I have dealt with you so many times on Nl, you again refuse to learn from anything, Science dramatically improved with the advent of Islam and there are clear examples from the prophet rejecting superstitious beliefs of the arabs. But when arguing with a mediocre one expects in-depth ignorant statements like this. further more Many "classical and modern sources agree that the Qur'an condones, even encourages the acquisition of science and scientific knowledge, and urges humans to reflect on the natural phenomena as signs of God's creation. How easy Allah makes manifest truth from error.

The same right you have to advocate for a secular state is the same right everyone has to advocate for a non - secular state, when individuals like you think only your right exist, then that is when anti - religious state terrorism comes in. Can state affairs ever be separate from peoples identity? Don't people make laws based on their experience and intellect? It remains baffling how people think.

As a multi ethnic and multi religious country that Nigeria is it is impossible to advocate for a non secular or theocratic state

This is where you show your ignorance, The issue of separation of the church from the state came up simply because then the entire state was either catholic, lutheran, protestant etc, and hence the church as an institution did exact itself on the state, in Islamic state there is no such thing as the Majid giving orders to the state, Islamic state simply run on Islamic laws, the politician remains a politician, the Scholar remians a scholar, clerics go about their clerical business without ordering the state,  but at the end it remains every ones duty to ensure the state is following the law, this sort of ignorance remains baffling when you see people that claim to objective making argument that are out of sync with reality, In Islamic state, the issue of legislation is simply based on the Qur'an. and in the Qur'an it is said there is no compulsion in religion.

Dude are you still beating down that path that Islam somehow represents some superior moral order?? Sorry to inform you but Quranic law, Sharia, Islamic law (whatever you may call it) DOES NOT represent the "Law of God" for majority of the human species. It is alien and represents 7th century Bedouin barbarity from the Arabian desert. It has never worked in history and is a Utopian idea.   You claim that according to the Quran there is "no compulsion in religion" so point to an Islamic state that does not oppress it religious minorities? Nigeria will be divided before such a legal framework is ever applied to the entire country and if our values are not in sync then the country should be divided.

read the above and you can help but see mediocre thinking, mediocre life in play, From the above, it simply indicts Tai Solarin as being a mediocre thinker, it is good that common sense is prevailing a bit and you indicate Myrid of problems, the question is do religion promotes corruption? triballism? crime? Fanaticism? etc it is lack of adherance to morals of religion that makes our case worst, advocating for irreligious society has never changed any society as the French revolution showed it could become nasty.

Any institution that does not have checks and balances enables corruption to thrive including religious institutions and doctrines. Unfettered power in one individual including "Prophets" promotes corruption. That is why societies evolved into democratic systems where government power is divided amongst various institutions and not one man, one group or one religion. Religion promotes the in group vs out group mentality and therefore promotes bigotry of some form. I have provided various outright discriminatory practices that are rife in Islam including the fact that Islam does not treat all people equitably under religious jurisprudence. Muslims are treated more favorably vs people of other faiths, muslim men more favorable than muslim women etc etc. That is not Law that is CORRUPTION, nepotism and favoritism.

Look at the world today and see what societies are the most egalitarian. Is it any of the Islamic or religious states? No its secular and irreligous states (US, Europe, Japan, China etc) Even when their Muslims brothers and sisters are dying in Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Egypt etc the fold their arms and chant "death to the west" and other such nonsense.
What about productivity, is it the states that advocate taking off a whole month for unhealthy fasting and praying that rely on oil that are moving humanity forward? No, its secular and irreligous countries in the west and east that are propelling humanity forward.

The French revolution was the impetus for modern France today and the people took power away from the monarchy and Catholic church. So today France is a modern secular state.

Yet you insist people must live outside laws that alien to their customs. Yes we see how humanist you are.

Your hypocrisy is profound! I mean isn't the religion that you propagate as the solution to all of mankinds problem foreign to your black west African behind You are a real wayo man that I believe is on the payroll of wahabists in Saudi. Is Islam the framework of your forefathers or a diversion from their culture and indigenous religion isn't Islam alien to the Yoruba peoples of West Africa?

The above clearly is verbatim quote from a mediocre humanist, In the Qur'an Allah encouraged the believers to ponder on the creation, As I have dealt with you so many times on Nl, you again refuse to learn from anything, Science dramatically improved with the advent of Islam and there are clear examples from the prophet rejecting superstitious beliefs of the arabs.  But when arguing with a mediocre one expects in-depth ignorant statements like this. further more Many "classical and modern sources agree that the Qur'an condones, even encourages the acquisition of science and scientific knowledge, and urges humans to reflect on the natural phenomena as signs of God's creation. How easy Allah makes manifest truth from error.

Since science is part of the Islamic worlds value system, please enlighten me on contributions of Islam to modern science post the 10th century?  What have islamic nations contributed to the world IN THE MODERN AGE beyond exporting terrorism and oppression of non muslims?

Please leave us alone to celebrate the life of a legendary African Man that contributed to his society, while you can go and starve youself and pray in arabic and kiss the ground while facing your Arab gods holy place and advocate a foreign bedouin ideology (talk about mediocre!!!!) as the solution to makinds problems, yeah right buddy.