dare2think:

Is athere an analysis of the different Christian or moslim categories.


Would love to hear from the atheistic brethrens. (as in your own analysis of different theistic types, if you have any)

toba:

u may be right though. but im sure u still have some data available on your internet access. why dont u just consult one of the numerous search engines to disprove my claim? try google for the definition of evangelical atheist/atheism. im sure most of u that tries to put your mouth in religious affairs falls within that box.

i have highlighted different kinds of atheism above, which one of the kinds do u belong to?

manmustwac:

Come on man don't decieve yourself why call us cowards who's going to risk thier life or risk serious injury just to express his beliefs in public. And besides there is no doctrine in atheism that says athiests must go out and spread thier beliefs. I have never come across pamphlets being distributed or any atheist stopping me in the street expressing his views on religion. Atheist evangelism don't exist toba

"Evangelical atheism": Sounds like an oxymoron, doesn't it? But "evangelism" literally means "bringing of good news." I believe that strong atheism, the belief that there is no god, is not only true but is also good news. I also believe that the world would be a better place if there were more atheists. Unless you already are one, I believe you would be happier and the world would be a better place if you were an atheist.

There are already a number of resources on atheism: books, web sites, movies, you name it. Most of them patiently deal with the rational. This is as it should be; atheism is the only rational response to the question of whether there is a god. What I want to focus on, though, is the emotional. I believe that emotion, not reason, is the moat between the fantasy of religion and the reality (Edit: really?) of atheism.

Life is hard, and religionists take comfort in "knowing" that it's all according to God's purpose. But, if true, would it really be comforting? That a benevolent, loving god could think of no better way to do what he needs to do by causing so much suffering along with joy?

Life ends in death, but wouldn't eternal life be worse?

Many people go to religious services to reinforce their love of God, but isn't that palpable feeling really the love of each other?

We all are lonely, but aren't six billion of us, most of whom are really fine people, enough?

globexl:

@jayriginal: You said best.

Scientific studies have shown that societies where there is no diversity tend to stagnate ,whereas, societies where there is a lot of diversity tend to be vibrant and progressive.

jayriginal:

Atheism is NOT a belief. You cannot believe in something that is not. If I believe that there is no God, its a belief that there is no God, but its not the same as believing there is a God. This is a limitation of language but common sense should override that limitation.

jayriginal:

You cannot have evangelical atheists because there is nothing to preach or evangelize. No atheist will go around telling people that there is no God. In fact, christians hound, taunt and ridicule atheists and turn around to complain when atheists put them to shame with cold logic. Then you come out and say atheism is a religion. Or evolution is a religion. That is dumb to say the least.

jayriginal:

While you were busy with your urban dictionary and other links, you should have at least sought the definition of religion. Then you would have known if atheism falls into your category.

There is no doctrine and no need for one. A religion by its very definition requires belief in a supernatural being or deity.

jayriginal:

[b]You cannot expect to flaunt your self approved righteousness and circular logic in another persons face and expect [/b]him to be quiet when he doesnt share your belief. You cannot call a person a fool to his face and expect him to smile.
Now that we are comfortable in the knowledge that you will not burn us at the stake as you were likely to do in times past (following your scriptures), we can now tell you why we dont believe.

jayriginal:



Let me give you a typical scenario
Friend : What church do you attend
Me: I dont
Friend: Why ?
Me: I have better things to do with my time
Friend: But you are a christian
Me: No
Friend: You dont believe in God
Me: No
then the preaching starts. Im being told next that theirs is the one true religion bla bla bla. Who is evangelizing here?
Sometimes its fun to taunt christians, I'm surprised many even respond. We take more of it than you guys do. For a fact, most of you christians dont even believe in God sef. You just dont realise it yet. Then there are a few nut jobs that believe that God talks to them.

Well God spoke to me last night. He told me that he was annoyed that you could ascribe such an error riddled primitive piece of literature to him and say he inspired it. He said that if he didnt want you to use your brains, he wouldnt have given them to you. He then showed me a vision of Paul burning in hell.
Finally he told me very clearly that he didnt exist and promised to visit me soon and inspire me with real revelation.

jayriginal:

For all those screaming about evangelical atheism, it may have a definition, but that doesnt mean it exists. [/b]Otherwise dragons and unicorns would exist (these mythical creatures are found in the bible by the way).

SMH

jayriginal:

Thank you Sir.

Just to add to the above point which I think is very important, we wouldnt have such a technologically advanced world if we all accepted the bible. Look at what the church did to scientists.
What if we all believed that sickness was caused by sin, and when we get sick instead of going to the hospital, we all called the elders of the church to lay hands on us. Imagine what would happen.

claremont:

I am sure if Toba had found out from the Internet that there is such a thing as "Goat Atheism, "Cow Atheism", or "Tortoise Atheism, he would have come on here asking us which one are we. My point is, there are a million and one mundane concepts out there, it doesn't mean that these concepts make any form of logical sense, the concepts only make sense to the persons who may have invented them.

Its clear from one of the definitions that we find people like this on the Internet. We are chatting on the internet arent we?

have u actually fond out beyond the shores of Nigeria that theres nothing like evangelical atheism/atheists? Have  tried reading some of the links Enigma gave s on this thread? If not then  need to do that first. Some of the forms owned by atheist are available for free members registration. Go there to learn more about atheism and how r people are reading to defend their belief in order to silence the theists.

NAAAAAAAAA. why are u like this? most of the world's best scientist, dont they believe in God? some of them actually believe and do read the bible yet it doesn't affect their scientific studies

U may also have forgotten that  and r fellow atheist go about nl trying to convince the theist with some scientific logic that theres poor evidence for a God. dont ? 
U were actually in a haste  to respond without adequately reading what we are talking about

Wow i thought  said  were a Lawyer. This is shocking. Did  care to read the title of this thread? Now this is what the title says 'I Heard There Are Different Kinds Of Atheism/atheist, Which One Do U Fall Under?' I am not here to claim or not claim that atheism is or is not a religion. Its a pity u are using the same atheist tactic to allege what im yet to claim.

Exactly the point. Which means both sides are actually doing the same thing. An atheist tells me theres no god or God, in order for me not to be called a fool, i choose to defend what i believe in just as the atheist did

This your scenario really makes no sense to me. U may be right to tell this to other christians who go about doing some of what  highlighted in the scenario and not to me. The title of the thread is very clear. Which of the kinds do  fall under.

I can tell u straight away the one  fall under cos having read some of your previous responses, i can draw a conclusion.

This is why i frown at your laziness.  dont just make a claim without backing it p. Im sure  have the internet and also some available data. Kindly do your research. Lawyers arent lazy to read and learn. Do that your self to  find out if we have evangelical atheism or not. In some countries, this people are even shouting for constitutional recognition. Pls read through the links Enigma provided. That u dont believe in something or have never heard about something doesnt make such thing to be a myth

Isaiah 13:21 "But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there."

Numbers 21:6

Jeremiah 8:17 - "For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the Lord

Isaiah 34:7  "And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls, and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness." See also Job 39:9-12

Malachi 1:3 "And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness."

toba:

1) im yet to see  make a reasonble point on this thread.  have just been cheer leading r fellow atheists. Lets try to reason. What i posted here are some of the things being belived to be in practise by r fellow atheist.

2)The bible says stdy to show r self approved. Most of  atheists need to stdy very well abot atheism.

3) base most of your belief in What Dawkins and Darwin have said. Try to do some research r self and learn more about your belief

Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.

Enigma:

@toba

In addition to what you have said, evangelical atheism actually exists in Nigeria as well; sometimes publicly with people like Leo Igwe (who is actually a decent writer occasionally) and the anonymous evangelical atheist campaigners on this forum and on this very thread. Indeed, now they dominate the Nairaland religion forum and many Christians are now leaving them to it; (in fact as an aside I wonder what the "intellectual" Christians who tend to side with the atheists and other anti-Christians now make of it!)

Further, the evangelical atheists saying there is no such thing as evangelical atheism are simply in denial being ashamed to admit that they are doing exactly what they accuse religionists of and have themselves become members of a religion!

jayriginal:
. . . .
At this point, Id like to say something before I leave. I have heard that some people just pick flaws in peoples arguments without adding anything constructive. I have been accused of that personally . . . .

jayriginal:

. . . . Everything I said to Toba applies to your post. . . .

jayriginal:

@Toba ****yawn***
There really is no need to reply you but I'll try.

jayriginal:

I read everything that was posted. You see that out of everything I took particular issue with the term evangelical atheism. Once again, its a misnomer in case you didn't get it the first time.

Atheism is NOT a belief, its a lack of it. Why do you want to put an atheist in the same category as yourself. Where is your sense of logic. I ask you, how is it possible to believe in a thing that is not.

Infact since you are the very epitome of research and diligence, you might want to show me where I ever said that I am certain there is no God.

In case you don't find it, let me categorically state it here. I[b] have no belief [/b]in a supernatural deity by whatever name so called (is that better phrasing for you) but I cannot say for certain that there is none. Until I see evidence to the contrary, this is my stand.

Do the bolded parts satisfy you? I hope this will quench your desire to tag me as one of you.

Now, that is my position, and please do not tag me as agnostic. I'm not. Another atheist may say he knows for certain that there is no God.  Each person with his own way of thinking.

If you wish to believe a bunch of primitive tales and guidelines each at variance with itself, so be it. But keep such away from me. Go to your heaven or hell. See your visions, its fine. But when you bring them to me its a different story.
You made a very silly point that might titillate those with a feeble grasp of logic. You said

This proves nothing. Its a pathetic attempt really.

Moving on, in my personal life, I dont bother people. I dont even like debating or explaining my position. Every now and then, there comes a person who thinks he knows better than you (majority call you fools to your face or in their minds), a person whose religious fervour knows no bounds, a person who feels he/she can change you, a person who is intolerant of anything but his own viewpoint. Then they make certain claims which are false and need to be refuted.
A good example of this is calling atheism or science or evolution a belief. Or a silly term like evangelical atheism.

I read the topic and it asks the question which kind of atheist are you. I didnt answer because I dont even like being called an atheist. I'm a human being simple and plain. The term atheist is just a convenient grouping for people who have no belief in a supernatural being.

You havent told me you have either. What forms are owned by atheists ? Is it forms or forums ?

There is a difference between a religious sect and an association. I'm not a member of any atheist forum and I dont need to be. Its really not my business what you do with your life, just dont expect me to do the same. If christians kept their wahala to themselves, you wouldnt have any problem with atheists. As I see it, you are a desperate bunch. The wiser christians among you read and move on. They dont contribute because its a war thats impossible to win. I respect that. Those of you coming here with half baked logic and spurious rebuttals garnished with heavy doses of vile[b] insults are the ones I pity.[/b]

You cant win. A true atheist wont win either because he knows that religion and logic are incompatible. Its based on belief. The same word that is causing this dispute now. How else can your mind comprehend a position other than to call it a belief.
Thus you reason "call it a belief, then its more familiar to us and we can engage it on our turf". Sorry, you are wrong.

If any man is going on the street sensitizing people about the non existence of God, I would suggest that his head be examined. Its just not normal to do this. Religion has more than its fair share of fanatics. You people would like to bad mouth Islam forgetting that the oceans of blood that were spilled have only just dried up (I'm speaking figuratively since its hard for you to figure things out).

I reacted to this issue today, I dont feel like doing it again. Since you are a great researcher and you have followed most of my posts, go and dig out the answer.

Theres poor evidence for God really.

I believe I mentioned that its fun taunting theists cos they do it a whole lot. The fun is actually when people like you attempt to violently stand logic on its head and resort to crude insults to cover up their lapses. Sometimes too, its wiser to refrain. It just depends on your mood. The best way to win this war is not to fight it. Just keep on doing what you do, and leave us alone. You need to get your spiritual heads to decree this . After that, peace shall reign. If you want to talk, you have to be prepared for a response as well.

No Sir, I wasnt in haste. You are apparently, from your spelling and grammar.

Not worthy of a response since you didnt get my meaning the first time.

Theres nothing that gives an atheist the direction or mandate to call another man a fool, so we quietly wait for you to quote the verse in psalms and then we hint you that you are now in danger of hell. I have never in my entire life attacked any christian for his faith. Rather I find myself having to explain my position. The response and degree may vary in proportion to the delusion of the christian, but the responses are typical.
I'd be surprised if any of the atheists on this forum went about asking people to stop believing in God. Its usually the other way round.

It requires faith for you to accept that God came to me and told me he didnt exist (it really happened). Ask for the spirit to guide you and you will understand.

Yes the title of the thread is very clear but the information contained in it is misleading. If I say nothing at all, another day when I object to the term, they will ask "but why didnt you say something then".

Well Sir, you seem to know me very well. Where do I fall ?

I dont know what your thing is with lawyers. It has no bearing on your poor logic.

preparing tenancy and lease agreement for [/b]me. I have issues with comprehending how a barrister would be applying very poor logic in a discussion. U have shifted the goal post severally which is very pathetic

What claim do you want me to back up ? Mythical creatures in the bible ? I didnt think there was a need for that.
I never said my ignorance of something made it a myth . Did I ? What I said was that if something had a definition, it doesnt conclude (Im rephrasing for your sake) that such a thing exists.

U see. i was talking about something else and u are referring to something else. U said theres nothing like [b]evangelical

What is a Satyr Sir ?

What is a fiery serpent Sir ?

A cockatrice ?

Have you seen one ?

The only unicorn I know of is the Invisible Pink Unicorn which is a great spiritual being. We know this because it is capable of being pink and invisible at the same time. Like every religion, it relies on a mixture of faith and logic. We have faith that it is pink and logically we know its invisible because we cannot see it (though it is everywhere).

Sir, have you seen a unicorn before (I know you dont have the faith to do it).

Please use the old king james if you have access to it because modern bible editors are ashamed of these ridiculous monsters (and they have definitions) and are replacing them.
Dragons Sir ?

1) I dont doubt that you are yet to see a reasonable point.
Look again.
Keep looking.
Tell us how long it took you.
Still looking ?

2) Thats what your bible says. An atheist is free from all that because he has no belief. The basic premise of atheism is "until you show me your God, I cant believe in it". How that equates to a belief to you is unfathomable.

3) Actually theres Carl Sagan, James Randi, Edward Current, Comedian George Carlin, Bertrand Russel, Bart Erhman,
and the list is endless. There are plenty of atheists out there and they are not the reason that anyone is an atheist. Nothing I can say will convince you, I know that already. Usually an atheist passes through stages before he gets there (unless he is born into an atheist family). Infact, I'll leave you with this quote from Isaac Asimov

The other day I was discussing with a friend and he called himself a "thinking christian". I promptly told him that there was no such thing.
Likewise, there is no such thing as an evangelical atheist. An atheist is just that.

Everything I said to Toba applies to your post.

At this point, Id like to say something before I leave. I have heard that some people just pick flaws in peoples arguments without adding anything constructive. I have been accused of that personally and this is always my response. I like to learn because I dont know everything. If you state a case, I may not be able to counter you with facts, neither will I make them up on my own. If however you make an unsound argument, you cannot force me to take your conclusion, even if I have no facts to counter you as yet (and I will not make any up as mentioned earlier).

The fact that Im not going to tell you what kind of atheist (a rubbish classification in my opinion) I belong to, does not stop me from pointing out to you the absurdity inherent.

Enigma:

I completely stand by that post and my other posts on this thread: the evangelical atheists are doing exactly the same things that they accuse "religionists" of and are now themselves also practising a religion. 

really? this is pathetic after reading your post, i found more grounds to still question your logic cos your attempt at shifting the goal post isnt good enough sir and haven't helped push your  matter very well thus far.

this is still a pathetic attempt cos your biased view shouldn't be used as a basis for generalization. Once again i would still give u the same response. Kindly educate your self well with what the term evangelical atheism means. This subject have long been trashed out on NL and should in case u aren't satisfied with what has been said here, don't be lazy, do some research i wouldn't have time to spoon feed u for too long

I will still give u the same response. Dont generalize. the definition of belief i gave applies to atheist. It might be different whats being believed in but yet it still applies. Many atheist are so much convinced that they arent even ashamed to go public. U may still look up for the meaning of belief from other mediums to see how atheism fits in. Dont return here to tell me atheism isnt a belief without looking well into the definition of belief

Let me say to you that this thread is not particularly directed to an individual but to a group of which u may belong to. really i wouldnt have bothered if  u never made an attempt at shifting the goal post of the subject of this discourse to review some of your post to see your orientation.

Now this is really pathetic. your contradiction knows no bound. U have generalized that atheism isnt a belief and know u want me to believe  that other atheists may have divergent view about the subject. Where did u leave the characters in bold before making a  pathetic attempt at defending atheism? SMDH

May be if u had kept yours to yourself, we could have been saved this part. I really do not care about anything. I just love fair play. If atheist accuse the theist of something, have they checked thoroughly if they arent guilty of same? Remember u started this with your long tale. Its only fair for me to respond in kind manner Smiley sir check your logic

No it does.  U only need to read others' post with an open mind and stop being biased. I told u the definition says we find them on the internet. Again are we not using the internet as a discussion platform?

Thats one of the issues i may have with . have  u bothered an attempt at reading what  evangelical atheism is all about?  U cant sit comfortably behind a system and say what u have little knowledge about, having the opportunity to arm your self with what it entails. Before  u make claims kindly read the definition or meaning once again. pathetic

Na and how do u know this about atheist? do u know that we also have different kinds of atheists/atheism? Which one of this kinds have no belief?

I must lol here. I just discovered that the letter 'u' on my keyboard is failing. hence the letter missing is u. i would get it checked after this post

1)Naaa. U really have to pity your self here cos most of atheist get agitated over frivolous matters during online discussion and hence result to insult. your pathetic response is amusing.
2) I havent insulted u thus far even though u have used poor logic in most part of this discourse. It may also be good for u to know that same thing  U have said in this paragraph also applies to u and other atheist.  
3) U are trying to make us believe in what u believe in, its only fair that u get same response on what u are giving out.

4) Its the atheist here that get fed in time hence change the goal post and turn to insult others. U have attempted that on this thread. Trust me, u give it to me, i give it to u back. Im ready for it.

Muhehehehehe. So sir what is the logic u have been passing so far? Arent we chatting in English? Havent i told  to go check for meaning of words before u apply them on this thread? what else are  u talking about here? at a point, u  would say people have different thinking at another u would want to speak for all atheist. this is poor logic mr man if u dont know

Thats why i said u still need to do more in terms of intensifying your effort. We have evangelical atheist, kindly learn about them and convey your message to them via the same internet u are using in responding to me. ok? U must discover that we have fanatics among atheist as well.

I would still ask u, what are the logic u have demonstrated on this thread? U are attempting to shift the goal post again. U brought in the issue of God here and its only fair to give  a response. I havent started this thread to discuss god or God. your poor logic has drifted us into doing this. Its also very pathetic that u  kept on calling this or discussion a war. War for what exactly? I really dont care if anyone believes or do not believe in god. if truly there's a God, we shall all know one day. The way u are going about this is just too poor. Let me tell u this isnt a war. Pls change your poor logic sir

Naaaa. This is really really pathetic. What brought about this trash? Did i start this thread to preach about God? Have u forgotten that the God subject was brought in by u? Too bad. Its just too obvious that most of u are just against the christian and the christian God with a stereotyped and biased opinion which has been preconceived in your minds. U bring this into a every discussion and make the christian look guilty at all times. This is very very bad. What sense have u made with your logic here?

Dont tell me that u deliberately posted trash on this thread to please some people. Is that the correct position?

And how do  u know it requires faith to accept that God did that?

U fall into one of the above categories. satisfied?

U fall into one of the above categories. satisfied?

I have no issues with them really cos what i do, they supplement it by preparing tenancy and lease agreement for me. I have issues with comprehending how a barrister would be applying very poor logic in a discussion. U have shifted the goal post severally which is very pathetic

U see. i was talking about something else and u are referring to something else. U said theres nothing like evangelical atheism. I responded by saying  should back it up. See what in came p with? this is pathetic. This your God obsession is becoming embarrassing

This is why i frown at your laziness.  dont just make a claim without backing it p.

Whats the percentage of atheists in the world? I have a thread on that on this same NL. pls do your own research and if u cant, ask me for the link and i would gladly bring it up for u. Just before u do that, i can confidently tell u that the entire atheists on earth arent up to 25% of the worlds total population. This only confirms that those that doesnt believe in anything like God or a supreme being or spirit, etc belongs to the minority of which  u are one. pathetic

U need to do more evangelism to win souls. lo

It might not make too much sense continuing this discussion with u cos of your lazy attempt to learn.

I have being able to educate about the different categories of atheism which u  have failed to grab. Its pathetic.


Im still available so if  u need more, consult me

I completely stand by that post and my other posts on this thread: the evangelical atheists are doing exactly the same things that they accuse "religionists" of and are now themselves also practising a religion.