A Muslim scholar visits the Pope in order to give dawah (preach).

He found him amidst a big christian gathering, the scholar smiled at the pope & said:
"good to see you, how are your wife & children?"

People were surprised & the Pope got angry saying:
"Don't you know that we Pope/priest don't have any wife or children?"

The Muslim scholar replies:
"Then, how dare you say that God has a son!!!"

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likewise christian boast of Jesus being celibate,yet they dont offer an equal respect to God who is not man.oh i see,Jesus was "god".lets see how is that:

Muslim: Can a woman give birth to a tiger?

Christian:No way

Muslim: Can a woman give birth to an elephant?

Christian:No way

Muslim: Then how can a woman give birth to GOD??

The Interpolation in the bible that Jesus is the "only begotten son"-i.e. "begotten" and "not made".

The "only begotten Son" (John 1:18)

(King James Version)
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

(New World Translation)
[i]No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.

(Revised Standard Version
No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.


the RSV has dropped the word "begotten" which means "not made" or "created".but they went further to use the word "only".if Jesus was not "begotten",the word interpolated to make Jesus a "special son",then was he really the "only son"?definitely not!God had sons in the tons!!!


Examples of God’s sons (figuratively) by the tons!:

Adam, which was the son of God. Luke 3:38
And thou shall say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel (Jacob) is my son, even my firstborn. Exodus 4:22
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me (David), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.(Psalms 2:4)

The reason for being called “son of God” is figurative according to the bible and anyone who is righteous can be called “son of God” :

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God".(Roman 8:14)

The term “son of God” did not come with Jesus. Only the Christians understand it it literal and made a literal “son” of God.


another example below in John 3:16,how the interpolated word "begotten" is dropped:


(King James Version)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(Revised Standard Version)

(New World Translation)
“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

(Revised Standard Version)
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.


"And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son."You have done an atrocious thing.The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation.That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son.There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant".(Holy Quran 19:88-93)


"And when God says: O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he says: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I had ever said it, then Thou would have known it. Thou knows what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden? I spoke unto them only that which Thou commanded me, (saying): “Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord”. I was a witness of them while I dwelt among them, and when Thou took me Thou was the Watcher over them. Thou art Witness over all things.(Holy Quran 5:116-117)

Shakes head in pity, then clicks reply.

LEMME ASK YOU SOMETHING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER O, JUST THINK ABOUT IT

IN YOUR THINKING, WHAT IS THAT THING THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO DO? HOW DID GOD CREATE THE FIRST MAN? IF GOD CREATED MAN AND WOMAN, YOU THINK HE CANNOT CREATE ANOTHER MAN?

now to your issue, i will like to make use of what is known as analogy
there is something called MITOSIS in biology
cell division: the process by which a cell divides into two daughter cells, each of which has the same number of chromosomes as the original cell.
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

if a cell (biologically, the basic unit of living things) which we shall name Baba undergoes a process of mitosis and becomes two cells, Baba and Bobo, which are equal in identity and content, it means Baba=Bobo abi?
now if Baba, though equal to Bobo calls Bobo a Son, would that be wrong/ incorrect?
NOW THAT'S JUST BIOLOGY, THINK ABOUT IT AND REFER TO MY QUESTION TO YOU?

WHAT IS THAT THING THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD?

Knight1:

LEMME ASK YOU SOMETHING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER O, JUST THINK ABOUT IT

IN YOUR THINKING, WHAT IS THAT THING THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO DO? HOW DID GOD CREATE THE FIRST MAN? IF GOD CREATED MAN AND WOMAN, YOU THINK HE CANNOT CREATE ANOTHER MAN?

you need to answer this.can your God sleep with a woman? can He do that? does that add unto Him or blemishes His glory? what do you think? is that part of might or part of the unexpected "fall from glory"?

if your priests cannot do certain things which are unbefitting,then how do you expect God to do such things? if you refer to your priests as "falling from glory" when they commit intimate acts with boys or lose their celibacy,then wont you also consider your holy God to have "fallen from glory" for engaging Himself in the act of the flesh.i am only responding to your question of what God can do or "cannot do"/"should/will not" do.

aside from that,the figurative sense of the word "son of God" was made clear.we oppose the literal meaning of it which christians apply to Jesus.

now to your issue, i will like to make use of what is known as analogy
there is something called MITOSIS in biology
cell division: the process by which a cell divides into two daughter cells, each of which has the same number of chromosomes as the original cell.
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

if a cell (biologically, the basic unit of living things) which we shall name Baba undergoes a process of mitosis and becomes two cells, Baba and Bobo, which are equal in identity and content, it means Baba=Bobo abi?
now if Baba, though equal to Bobo calls Bobo a Son, would that be wrong/ incorrect?
NOW THAT'S JUST BIOLOGY, THINK ABOUT IT AND REFER TO MY QUESTION TO YOU?

WHAT IS THAT THING THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD?

i think you are taking us away from the topic.but to answer,i will only quote a one sentence verse from your bible:

"God is not a man" (Numbers 23:19)

you are also bringing us an analogy of cells.do you think your God has cells that you can divide from Him a son? if He got cells,then your God would be a decomposing God who is bound to decay and is under the bound of flesh and time. at least have your bible in mind:

"God is spirit" (John 4:24)

@Lagoshia,
these your knockout blows are incredible.
Where is mr.frosbell.?

ode remo:

@Lagoshia,
these your knockout blows are incredible.
Where is mr.frosbell.?

to Allah be the glory!

thanks Sir!!!

you clearly don't have any clue of what an analogy is.
second you arent thinking
third, God is not a man. yes he is not. DId i say he was?

Knight1:

you clearly don't have any clue of what an analogy is.
second you arent thinking
third, God is not a man. yes he is not. DId i say he was?

ok.

@ all the Christians in the house am putting this to you to defend and please dont give me some excuse that i need holy spirit to understand English ok

Luke 22:67-71:

67Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe:

68And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go.

69Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

70Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

71And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth.

Can you simply explain in simple form what the verses and the bolds up there mean to you?

"And when God says: O Jesus,
son of Mary! Did you say unto
mankind: Take me and my
mother for two gods beside
Allah? he says: Be glorified! It
was not mine to utter that to
which I had no right. If I had
ever said it, then Thou would
have known it. Thou knows what
is in my mind, and I know not
what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou,
only Thou, art the Knower of
Things Hidden? I spoke unto
them only that which Thou
commanded me, (saying):
“Worship Allah, my Lord and your
Lord”. I was a witness of them
while I dwelt among them, and
when Thou took me Thou was
the Watcher over them. Thou art
Witness over all things.(Holy
Quran 5:116-117)

Derisional and blasphemic words by a Lunatic man.

Judek2:

Derisional and blasphemic words by a Lunatic man.

can't you do better than that? is this what your acclaimed illusion of holy ghost is pushing to do:to insult the beliefs of others?

A Muslim scholar visits the Pope
in order to give dawah (preach).
He found him amidst a big
christian gathering, the scholar
smiled at the pope & said:
"good to see you, how are your
wife & children?"
People were surprised & the
Pope got angry saying:
"Don't you know that we Pope/
priest don't have any wife or
children?"
The Muslim scholar replies:
"Then, how dare you say that
God has a son!!!"

Hallucination.
Once in a lifetime experience .

LagosShia:

can't you do better than that? is this what your acclaimed illusion of holy ghost is pushing to do:to insult the beliefs of others?

As I wrote it,so it is.
Was he not a lunatic man, or wasnt possesed by Satan?

Judek2 defend my post are you not christian again?

Judek2:

Hallucination.
Once in a lifetime experience .

As I wrote it,so it is.
Was he not a lunatic man, or wasnt possesed by Satan?

shut-up jor!

you dont know how to engage in civilize and intellectual discussions without the use of insults and making personal contests.

^^ that is what he was known for. He always ignore Question put to him and his likes. shior

u guys will never get tired.

u have been educated and spoon fed yet u chose to sit on the path of ignorance.

good luck at it

It's very funny about the Moslems, atheists and anti-Christian "intellectuals". The Moslems have their own section (which I very very rarely visit) yet they insist on coming to "challenge" the Christians. Similarly the atheists and anti-Christian "intellectuals" seem to have nothing to discuss among themselves or with each other so they must insist on bashing Christians and Christianity.

What insecurities are worrying all of them? Perhaps the truth is gnawing at them inside and perhaps really they are drawn to The Truth whom they all are resisting.

Enigma:

It's very funny about the Moslems, atheists and anti-Christian "intellectuals". The Moslems have their own section (which I very very rarely visit) yet they insist on coming to "challenge" the Christians. Similarly the atheists and anti-Christian "intellectuals" seem to have nothing to discuss among themselves or with each other so they must insist on bashing Christians and Christianity.

What insecurities are worrying all of them? Perhaps the truth is gnawing at them inside and perhaps really they are drawn to The Truth whom they all are resisting.

Their section is lifeless without discussing Christianity and Christians, hence some of us seldom visit them to liven up the section.

Same applies to the atheist. nothing to discuss outside Christianity and the attack on the christian God. Meaning take away Christians/Christianity, Muslims and atheists may have nothing to say about religion

I have never seen a section for Christianity on NL. The section we are is for Religion so get your fact right

bashy_demy:

I have never seen a section for Christianity on NL. The section we are is for Religion so get your fact right

Yes but by implication and by the fact that the owner of the forum was forced and threatened before he agreed to segregate the muslims by allowing them a child board, is an indication that this main board is expected to be dominated by xtians.

Judging also by the fact that the two main religions in the world is Christianity and Islam. when the muslims has been separated from others, the place automatically is expected to be dominated by Christians.

U guys are still not satisfied, u still want to dominate beyond your domain


see the below

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[size=20pt]Islam for Muslims[/size]


A forum for Muslims to share their faith. Muslims only please, even the moderators are Muslims.
Moderator: Jarus

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what else do u want?

^^ and is Christian a religion? if yes can you please give me a proof in your bible where Christianity was mention.

bashy_demy:

^^ and is Christian a religion? if yes can you please give me a proof in your bible where Christianity was mention.

to some pple christianity is a religion and to some others, its a way of life.

christianity takes it bedrock from Christ. i.e christ-ianity

Jesus came to teach the way to heaven and to have an eternal life

toba:

to some pple christianity is a religion and to some others, its a way of life.

So there are still some disagreement over that withing some Christian? i dey laugh oooo

toba:


christianity takes it bedrock from Christ. i.e christ-ianity

Jesus came to teach the way to heaven and to have an eternal life

@ the Bold up there, Didi you mean Christ is Vanity? might be typo who knows.

bashy_demy:

Judek2 defend my post are you not christian again?

One thing with your posts is that it hardly makes sence,(believe me,its true)

how can one reply to these?

bashy_demy:

@ all the Christians in the house am putting this to you to defend and please dont give me some excuse that i need holy spirit to understand English ok

Luke 22:67-71:

   67Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them,If I tell you, ye will not believe:

   68[b]And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go. [/b]

   69[b]Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.[/b]

   70Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

   71And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth.

     Can you simply explain in simple form what the verses and the bolds up there mean to you?

While the explanation is staring right to your face.

Let me break it down for you.
Luke 23:67- . . .
If I tell you, (that I'm Christ) you will not believe:
and if I ask you (who you think I am), you will not answer me,nor let me go.
Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the Power of God.

Now,they understood that he claimed to be Christ,and also the Son of God. Thus they asked him-
Art thou then the Son of God?
He replied : Ye say tham I am
In other words,he admitted and comfirmed that they have said who he is.

They now understood that he potrays himself as Christ and Son of God,which they regarded as a blastphemy. Thus they said-
What need we any further witness? For we ourselves have heard of his own mouth

You can further read mark 14:61
Again the high priest asked him and said unto him,Art thou the Christ,the Son of the blessed?
(62) Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power,and coming in the clouds of heaven.
(63) Then the high priest rent his clothes,and saith, what need we any further witnesses?
(64) Ye have heard the blasphemy: What think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

I intensionally ignored that post because you have nothing to present.
I wonder what you want to prove of those verses. .

bashy_demy:

So there are still some disagreement over that withing some Christian? i dey laugh oooo

whats this man saying? what nonsense disagreement are u talking about? dont u know whats called perception? u may wish to define religion. Many pple arent dogmatic like the muslims are. i.e observing the 5 time daily prayer ritual

@ the Bold up there, Didi you mean Christ is Vanity? might be typo who knows.

u need to improve ur reading and comprehension ability. how does vanity comes within my post?

Judek2:

One thing with your posts is that it hardly makes sence,(believe me,its true)

how can one reply to these?
While the explanation is staring right to your face.

Let me break it down for you.
Luke 23:67- . . .
If I tell you, (that I'm Christ) you will not believe:
and if I ask you (who you think I am), you will not answer me,nor let me go.
Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the Power of God.

Now,they understood that he claimed to be Christ,and also the Son of God. Thus they asked him-
Art thou then the Son of God?
He replied : Ye say tham I am
In other words,he admitted and comfirmed that they have said who he is.

They now understood that he potrays himself as Christ and Son of God,which they regarded as a blastphemy. Thus they said-
What need we any further witness? For we ourselves have heard of his own mouth

You can further read mark 14:61
Again the high priest asked him and said unto him,Art thou the Christ,the Son of the blessed?
(62) Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power,and coming in the clouds of heaven.
(63) Then the high priest rent his clothes,and saith, what need we any further witnesses?
(64) Ye have heard the blasphemy: What think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

I intensionally ignored that post because you have nothing to present.
I wonder what you want to prove of those verses. .

the confusion stemming from this is from the bible versions and the confusion christians face.one version would use "son of man" while the other would use "son of god".
and even if it is the phrase "son of god" that appears in the manuscripts,that can be figurative to depict righteousness as we are told:

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God".(Roman 8:14)

It is not farfetched that Christian authors of the bible would use “son of god” instead of “son of man” when writing their version of the bible.i don’t see reason otherwise why a Christian author would use “son of man” to refer to Jesus if it was “son of god” that appears in the bible manuscripts.it just doesn’t make sense.

The word that support christianity’s view that Jesus is literally the “son of god” is the word “begotten” which means “not created/made” as other humans are.

That word “begotten” is an interpolation.it was added in the bible to fit Christian beliefs.it cannot be found in bible manuscripts.this is the dishonesty we are talking about.so it totally kills the Christian case for making Jesus the literal “son of god”.

You can read more about this from my post in the other thread that is presently ongoing:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-813596.128.html#msg9666383

@Judek2 my point here is that, They ask him if he is the Christ and his response there proof that he could be the Christ they are talking about.

If I tell you, (that I'm Christ) you will not believe:
and if I ask you (who you think I am), you will not answer me,nor let me go.
Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the Power of God.

The above proof that if he tell them he is the Christ they will not believe him meaning yes i am the Christ but you will not believe me.

But the other Question proof otherwise. They ask if he is the son of God and he said. Ye said that i am. Can you try to differentiate between the answer's?
Why can't he answer them the same way he did with the first Question? The second answer show they he is not son of God and in other for them not to put word in his mouth he said,, You said that i am meaning i dint say so ooo na una talk am.

and they reply with this.

What need we any further witness? For we ourselves have heard of his own mouth

That he has proof with his own mouth that he is Christ but not the son of God

I just cant understnd what the xtian god is doing sleeping with other peoples wife. If he wanted a son he should at least have
gotten a single babe and not joseph's wife

^^ i wonder ooo