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that's true, it's nit about women nit preaching or being second class in church, but , an issue of instilling order in the church against disturbance by questions which interrupts services

An interesting thread with many thoughtful comments, especially about the context of the verses.
My question would be- Why should Paul' s thinking on the subject have any bearing on life today?

It has no Bearing on us today.

What is the meaning of 'bearing'?

PA1982:

An interesting thread with many thoughtful comments, especially about the context of the verses.
My question would be- Why should Paul' s thinking on the subject have any bearing on life today?

It should be,if women acts disorderly. . Education and civilization has indeed helped matters.

Image123:

Bunmi, the passage is clear enough even with the kjv. You may check other versions if you please, the message is simple. Your confusion comes from the obvious disregard/disobedience by many present day christains, it's not a confusion from the passage. What judek2 wrote to which you immediately subscribed is a big load of garbage found no where near the Bible. His explanation is a poor attempt to rationalize many's disobedience, not an explanation of the Bible passage you quoted, Hence the phrase 'itching ears'.

I dont even get your point. .
That was an order by Paul to the Church in Corinth. Yes the passage is clear,but do you know the situation of the Church at that time? It looks like a guide for them.

As @Davidylan has posted, Deborah was a prophetess. Even Miriam got her own part of speaches and songs in the Bible.so Paul couldnt just order against interfarence by women without any situation.

the simple truth is women cannot serve or become church leaders or helpers , after paul stil bortressed d point on women keepin silent in corinthians,he went further to address d issue when writin a letter to timothy, he gave d command by inspiration that women shuld be silent & not take d lead in d church as found in 1 timothy 2:11-13, and paul went further in 1timothy chapter 3 to give d qualifications for responsible positions of bishops and deacons, and guess what y'all,women cannot meet up or qualify for such offices, there was no 1st century woman who served as a deacon or bishop, it was a stern command, and paul gave d reasons, some1 asked if deborah wasnt a prophetess, d truth is women culd prophesy & tel about God outside d temple,but never inside, have we ever heard of a female priest b4 in d bible?temple services & church services respectively were mainly for men,, whybecos d man is head of d woman, lets imagine a woman bein amongst d levite class or bein high priest(abormination of d highest oder), those were offices meant for men alone, today women can preach from door to door and oustide,but they shuld never try to teach in Gods house, because its against Gods arrangement, when ever i see pastor mrs,deaconesses,bishop mrs i just shake my head & ask what madness christianity is turnin into?, paul concludes 1corinthians 14 by saying let all things take place decently and by arrangement, so can christians just adhere to simple bible injunctions??

numo86 has spoken/written well.

do you know the situation of the Church at that time? It looks like a guide for them.

Judek, could you be more spesofic? What was the situation of the church at that time, what are your proofs, have those 'situations' disappeared?

@ OP
Read the whole passage.You would get a clearer understanding that way.

tpia@:

looking at the character displayed by lasinoh/blazay/militia/almondjoy/whatever, i totally understand the meaning of profiling.

some things should be labelled "enter at your own peril and may God have mercy on your soul when you do"

tomzman:

@ OP
Read the whole passage.You would get a clearer understanding that way.

Kk. . . .thanks

Image123:

What is the meaning of 'bearing'?

It was in response to PA1982

PA1982:

An interesting thread with many thoughtful comments, especially about the context of the verses.
My question would be- Why should Paul' s thinking on the subject have any bearing on life today

The church was at it's baby stage and some peculiar problem arose which had to do with the order of their day .

Joagbaje:

The church was at it's baby stage and some peculiar problem arose which had to do with the order of their day .

An excuse to apostasy. The justification of disobedience. A politically correct way of saying we simply pick and choose what words of Christ we have to follow and the ones we wish to discard based on our own feelings and fleshly desires.
What's next?

numo86:

the simple truth is women cannot serve or become church leaders or helpers , after paul stil bortressed d point on women keepin silent in corinthians,he went further to address d issue when writin a letter to timothy, he gave d command by inspiration that women shuld be silent & not take d lead in d church as found in 1 timothy 2:11-13, and paul went further in 1timothy chapter 3 to give d qualifications for responsible positions of bishops and deacons, and guess what y'all,women cannot meet up or qualify for such offices, there was no 1st century woman who served as a deacon or bishop, it was a stern command, and paul gave d reasons, some1 asked if deborah wasnt a prophetess, d truth is women culd prophesy & tel about God outside d temple,but never inside, have we ever heard of a female priest b4 in d bible?temple services & church services respectively were mainly for men,, whybecos d man is head of d woman, lets imagine a woman bein amongst d levite class or bein high priest(abormination of d highest oder), those were offices meant for men alone, today women can preach from door to door and oustide,but they shuld never try to teach in Gods house, because its against Gods arrangement, when ever i see pastor mrs,deaconesses,bishop mrs i just shake my head & ask what madness christianity is turnin into?, paul concludes 1corinthians 14 by saying let all things take place decently and by arrangement, so can christians just adhere to simple bible injunctions??

Best comment so far .

Much regards.

Joagbaje:

It was in response to PA1982

The church was at it's baby stage and some peculiar problem arose which had to do with the order of their day .

Proof? Specifics?

Judek2:

It should be,if women acts disorderly. . Education and civilization has indeed helped matters.

Let me fix that for you.
It should be, if women act disorderly. Education and civilization have indeed helped matters.

My point was to question any relevancy the writings of Paul could possibly have to us.

God hates women.

Image123:

These are lame excuses, sorry. Did you check the 'footnotes(niv)' for 1Corinthians 14v34? All that 'or', 'could', 'generally' na beating around the forest. The two passages intertwine, complement and explain one another.

please reread my comment about 1 cor 14 which i quoted on this thread, and pointed out the use of the word "speak".

Judek2:

It should be,if women acts disorderly. . Education and civilization has indeed helped matters.

are women the only ones capable of acting disorderly?

trying to follow your thought pattern here.

btw, arent you muslim- thought you posted something to that effect once. Correct me if i'm wrong.

tpia@:

please reread my comment about 1 cor 14 which i quoted on this thread, and pointed out the use of the word "speak".

I did tpia, i did. My reply on footnotes was to the post on footnotes.

^let's agree to hold differing opinions then.

Shameless people! Always shifting the goal post to suit their desires. All of a sudden we have people that are wiser that Paul just because his preachings does not suit them. Christendom obeyed this injuction for over a 1,500 years but all of a sudden  people like JUDEK and PA1982 think they are smarter than christ and paul for fear of being labelled conservative male chauvinist. Trying to play fast and looses with the supposed words of God. Even one slowpoke saying the church was in the BABY STAGE. Can you imagine!
The church has actually grown beyond the stage of female pastors now we have gay pastors. What more are we to expect when the church grows older? Who knows, maybe we will have preachers porking in front of a nudist congregation.

LITTLE WONDERS WE SEE FROM THESE INCREDIBLE CHRISTIANS!

Madame you're on the fence na,

tpia@:


just saying, and doesnt mean i'm for or against.

like i said, i'm indifferent.

Interesting thread. I enjoy we christians. We interpret the bible any way we deem fit. When the express instructions are favourable we imbibe it directly, when it is not we start giving it meanings that align we our current actions. My question is at what point do you interpret instructions litraly and at what point do you interpret metaphoricaly? If that instruction was in the old testament the argument would have been that it was made under the law, now we are under grace even though the instructions on tithe and all other financial instructions that benefit the church somehow found their way to this dispensation of grace. I thought instructions as well as laws are to as it is not how it is perceived to be. This attitude is what gives atheists, muslim etc the opportunity to slander xtians. We are too shifty. Obey simple instructions, this instruction is so simple. In 1cor 14:33 Paul say 'God is not the author of confussion but of peace, as in all churches of the saint' and in v34 through 36 he gave the commandment on women keeping quiet. He further stated in v37 that the commandments were from the Lord. How come we are trying to make a case for all our pastors who are flouting this commandment with impunity?

dekung wants to punish pastors. hahahaa

The greatest fraud on earth is organised religion!!!!

One day they say the text of  the  bible should not be taken literally, another day they say we must obey the specific directions in the bible.


Make up your minds o ye confusonists!!!!!

Thread cleaned by me. Please carry on cordially kids.

Dare2think, I'm not sure I've greeted you happy new year yet 

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@topic,
there's this story someone posted in this section a while back. I don't remember it exactly word for word but I'll paraphrase and give my understanding/version/spin of it:

There was a priest in a temple who would officiate the services. Everytime there was a service a cat would always interrupt and disrupt the flow. The priest fed up instructed his helper to kill any cat that disrupted the service. Over time it became a regular occurence that a cat had to be routinely killed every service to prevent disruptions. Soon after the priest passed away, and the next one passed away, and the next one . . . etc. Soon enough the cat population dwindled to a point it wasn't such a problem to the services anymore but further down the line a new priest took over who didn't know the reason why the original priest(s) had been routinely killing cats. He simply knew it was the 'custom/tradition' to kill a cat during the service. So the ritualistic killing of a cat became part of every service - instead of a means to preserve & protect the service.

I believe christianity today - oftentimes in a genuine effort to honor scripture - continue to kill cats without understanding the reason why. When it came to women Jesus Himself broke all the rules, radically doing things with women that were socially & religiously taboo. We want to stand firm and ritualistically follow "new testament" directives, but so easily forget that these directives must not be incompatible with the great example Jesus Himself set.

  Both Jesus & Paul got it exactly right - it is we today that have it wrong.

@JeSoul,
Your point being……………?

^my point is quite simple dekung - and I suspect you understand it very well

He simply knew it was the 'custom/tradition' to kill a cat during the service. So the ritualistic killing of a cat became part of every service - instead of a means to preserve & protect the service.

So instead of the new priest to go behind the custom, understand its purpose and then modify the instruction to say "kill any animal that disturbs & disrupts the service" he continues to kill cats just because it is what the priests before him did.

I want us to ask ourselves, how much of our christian beliefs & rules are simply empty, purposeless, ritualistic killing of cats? actions that have long lost the original meaning for which it was intended?

JeSoulu. Na wa o, even if you don't greet me, i MUST greet you. Happy New Year. Where've you been my sister? Abi na because i follow talk say make women no teach men?

JeSoul:

^my point is quite simple dekung - and I suspect you understand it very well So instead of the new priest to go behind the custom, understand its purpose and then modify the instruction to say "kill any animal that disturbs & disrupts the service" he continues to kill cats just because it is what the priests before him did.

I want us to ask ourselves, how much of our christian beliefs & rules are simply empty, purposeless, ritualistic killing of cats? actions that have long lost the original meaning for which it was intended?

If we are to go by your reasoning then its also VERY OK to concluded that most of the teachings and instructions of Jesus himself are purposeless, ritualistic killing of cats.

women at that tym where not allowed to speak in church. but the bible says in the last days God would pour out his spirit on the young, old, men and even women. so women speaking and even performing miracles is a sure sign that we are in the last days.

So when Deborah was judge over Israel what dayz were those?

this whole thing is simple, women are not to speak and that's final. It's even saves them a whole lot of energy. Good for them if u ask me.