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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 7:34pm On Feb 26, 2017
Wayne Rooney having a John Terry Moment grin

cc Raumdeuter
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 7:32pm On Feb 26, 2017
chrisley024:
C'mon. The ball was too close to him to even be seen. You don't blame him for the goal at all.
That ball went right between the keeper's gloves and almost hit his coconut head sef, mehn
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 7:30pm On Feb 26, 2017
Zlatan's Interview


Boss Level 9999999

Jaysus.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 7:27pm On Feb 26, 2017
pamcode:
As in fück him and those who allowed Rashford to make the pass that lead to cross for the goal.
The cross was soooo basic, the defence was lost at sea, but that header was straight at the keeper. Straight at the fücking keeper.

Fraser Foster was Inversely Proportional to Zlatan today.

Gosh. Fück Forster to death angry
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 7:20pm On Feb 26, 2017
sinizia:
Lol. Guy, e no go good to be your on bad side in the real world coz your beefing no get part 2.grin
Sinizia what's good my don? grin

I'm not gon lie Ibra is the truth. That guy is the saviour of your season thus far. What a player.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 7:18pm On Feb 26, 2017
Gabbiadini is almost in tears. See how his useless keeper has conspired to ruin his work on this Blessed Sunday
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 7:16pm On Feb 26, 2017
Mehn Fvck Fraser Forster for real for reall angry angry angry
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 7:16pm On Feb 26, 2017
MSchewwww
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 7:15pm On Feb 26, 2017
Soton better score before Rooney comes on o.

Aint nobody got time for fairy tail endings made on Merseyside
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 6:55pm On Feb 26, 2017
Oshe Yoshida Clearance.

Bankai.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 6:54pm On Feb 26, 2017
Kill them! Kill them!! KILL THEM!!!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 6:52pm On Feb 26, 2017
Ye! O je Bar!!!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 6:39pm On Feb 26, 2017
elrony:
I was warning my guy about Manolo, any chance and he'll score.
Is your guy called Tony by any chance? grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 6:38pm On Feb 26, 2017
GOALBADINNI!!!!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 6:38pm On Feb 26, 2017
You can't keep a good Galbadianni down!!!!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 6:37pm On Feb 26, 2017
[quote author=larride post=54083037][/quote]GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 6:17pm On Feb 26, 2017
GOALLLLLLL
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 6:10pm On Feb 26, 2017
Wow
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 5:50pm On Feb 26, 2017
Nonsennse
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 5:45pm On Feb 26, 2017
pamcode:
Pdp power. Manure have started with mago mago again.
Bruh I just weak.

For how long are these people going to continue to rule England na?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 5:43pm On Feb 26, 2017
PDP again
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 5:42pm On Feb 26, 2017
Goooooalllll

Oh wait...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 5:15pm On Feb 26, 2017
I won't lie, Remy Ma's Rhyme Scheme was Nursery Rhyme Basic.

It's the spilled tea that made the record bang, cos her bars were basic.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 3:41pm On Feb 26, 2017
Ibime:
Kane want finish golden boot race today.

Kane - 17
Lukaku - 17
Costa - 16
Lukaku and Kane square up next weekend.

Kane wan make sure say the settings dey 'set' for their duel.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 3:16pm On Feb 26, 2017
I cannot belive I did not captain Kane angry
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 3:02pm On Feb 26, 2017
Chai Harry.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 2:45pm On Feb 26, 2017
Oboi, Harry Kane finishing 99.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 2:28pm On Feb 26, 2017
Ibime:
He is only defining one conundrum. There are many other interviews where he talks about other differences.

This interview is specifically to prepare your minds for West Ham game so Fabrewailers won't start wailing cos he knows support for Fabregas is strong right now. If he keeps his message simply about height, you will have less grey area to moan about. He will let you know after West Ham game that they have the 2nd tallest team in the Prem and have scored the most (17 goals) from set pieces, that's why he dropped Fabregas. It's an easily digestable message to send the fans.
Nice point but the key thing would be that Matic would be starting based on height...not based on defensive ability.

Veratti in the same team would suffer the same fate seeing as he us literally a midget.

Matic is literraly making the team due to some sort of affirmative action
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 1:52pm On Feb 26, 2017
Ibime:
Nope, he is just highlighting one aspect. He has spoken on the other aspects many times.

If I tell you Lampard brings more goals to a team than Iniesta, that does not mean that is the only thing unless I use the word ONLY. He also brings more assists for example.
There's a reason I posted the interview clip directly. Conte goes on to say that both are very good players BUT:

Conte defines his conundrum in very specific terms.

He defines Fabregas's addition to the team in terms of quality

He defines Matic's addition to the team in terms of height.

His words not mine.

Of course like you said , Matic as a player cannot be be defined just by his height, he also is a very good defensive midfielder. The issue here is that the first thing that comes to Conte's mind in a conference where he's asked to compare both players is Matic's height. That says a lot especially when the first thing that come's to Conte's mind describing Fabregas is his quality.


That's really it.

I like that it's gotten to the point where we're now achieving some sort of middle-ground here sha. There's been a subtle shift from Fabregas can't play 343 and should be subbed in during an in game switch to 352, to Fab can play the less challenging team while Matic beefs up against teams when we need to be defensive.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 12:48pm On Feb 26, 2017
Ibime:
No of tackles is no indication of defensive solidity and defensive solidity cannot be caused by having high no of tackles. If not Aston Villa would not be relegated last season with the worst defensive record despite Gueyes record number of tackles. In stats this is called false casuality.
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No of tackles or interceptions only came into the discussion in a comparison between Matic and Kante to show how Kante was the aggressive destroyer in midfield.

With Kante so effective in his work, the need for Matic is practically redundant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMBuHzid4MY?t=102

Conte literally said in his post match interview yesterday that playing Fabregas is a balance between the added quality he gives, and the amount lost in Matic's height.

Note that Conte's emphasis was on Matic's physical attributes rather than his defensive attributes. This is the clearest indication that Matic is only making the team based on what he is supposed to offer, NOT because of his defensive attributes anything, because this season he hasn't offered a lot in terms of defence.

This is also a clear counter to them Nateevs who believe that Conte has space in his formation for small technical creators like Fabregas and Veratti. Like I said a few weeks ago, if we sign Veratti today, Conte will still bench him for Matic and not because of any defensive quality bs.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 12:09pm On Feb 26, 2017
Ibime:
Arsenal home, Everton home, Southampton away, Spurs home, Manure home, Liverpool away.

All top defensive performances.
Oh please.

Arsenal, Liverpool from a defensive standpoint cannot be held as a defensive success because we were breached.

Southampton are the joint 5th lowest scorers in the league so I don't see how that is a 'big game' when there is obviously no real offensive threat from them.

I won't even dignify your Spurs listing

I only apply quants to 4 metrics - GS, ASS, PassesPerGame and Kmpergame. It would be disrespectful to my profession to lend any weight to analysing 2.3 and 1.7 tackles per game.
Yes, and NOT one of those 4 metrics is related to defensive output. Not 1.

So like I said, when a quant who has been leading the eunuch campaign based on numbers, has to resort to a qualitative approach to defend Matic, then there is a problem.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Nihilist: 11:54am On Feb 26, 2017
donjazet:
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However against the big teams, it would be much better to use matic, as we would need his energy, ball recovery techniques and Ariel ability much more or we could tweak our formation to a 352 to accommodate all 3 midfielders and sacrifice one of our attackers since we tend to be overrun in the midfield against the big teams.
This is a myth.

List the big games we've played this season and highlight Matic's defensive effectiveness in those games.

I've been saying all season that there is a difference between what Matic is supposed to do, and what he actually does on the pitch.

That's why in all my arguments with Ibime, I've asked specifically what he does and not he is supposed to do.

When you see a quant refusing to apply numbers to Matic's defensive output instead taking a qualitative approach, then you know there is an actual problem.

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