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Lol see how Matic let Bale shoot

diggz:
Isskaba.....isskoroboto.....isskorobote....isskaba!!!

Mehn the party suppose nice brother Diggz

raumdeuter:
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This is the HUGE chance that Morata is getting roasted for. He looked he didnt expect the ball to get to him

I thought he would have trapped it with first touch sha.

Plus he called for the ball sef.

nateevs:
So Morata has done the unseen right? Like Messi never ballooned a chance unmarked? What is the real point here?

In another argument, I am sure you will be arguing that Morata did not expect that the last Arsenal defender wouldn't touch that ball.
I am surprised no one has talked about this as a possibility. The shock is not that he ballooned the chance. For me, the shock was that the ball reached him. No one in that position would have thought it.


I cannot help but wonder what the consistent criticism of Morata is about, without a decent sample of empirical/visual evidence of him being crap, in a Chelsea shirt.

Can someone please help with coming up with a new way of saying "Why the phuck can we not give him a chance......a decent run at the very least, before we start slaughtering him?"


Jeez!

Lukaku that had been scoring hundred + goals was never given a chance because his touch starts from number 2.

First touch better deliver first time bruh. I told you I would do this last year. Don't act surprised when a petty mu'fucka act petty...

timbros:
I'm no archaeologist but I'm sure Airmark can dig out your #ConteOut hashtag in this very thread if he wants to dig. Ibime is good in digging too.

I didn't say I didn't say Conte Out. I'm only making a distinction about when I wanted him out. Dayos statement implies I never wanted him from the start. That is not the case.

raumdeuter:
If Hazard is your main creator then he also failed at that because he delivered 5 league assists all season last year and 7 in all comps when he was relieved of the so called Mourinho defensive duties. Maybe playing with a non typical 9 is what will bring out the best in Hazard because seeing his output for Belgium where he plays with Lukaku, points to it that Hazard and Lukaku probably dont gell

There isnt a like for like replacement for what Costa brings and since you all refused to manage Costa or beg him then you have to do without the Costa-like striker.

To play as a main striker in a non 442 formation is hard as you have to most cases battle 2 defenders and still score.

I don't think you understand my own agenda sha.

nateevs:
I just freed Nihilist because I have little time for "I told you so" comments. Few games into last season, I was the first to explain the concept of the 3-4-3 and how I thought it was a brilliant system and how it enabled us score goals. Nihilist went on record saying that the goals were through luck and also stated that he wanted Conte out.

It is easy to travel the wide road.

I still don't believe in 343.

nateevs:
You are the one who is being rigid in your analysis. You are trying to criticise the alternate viewpoint without full grasp of the underlying principles.

This is it. Because the whole concept of this is that in a fluid system, no one gets marked out. And that's where your analysis falls down.

Marking-out only happens when you play a system that is heavily reliant on a single outlet. In a fluid system, marking-out becomes redundant upon initiation because everyone utilises everyone else's attributes to be equally dangerous.

That's the whole point.

Did you see what Morata did unmarked this Sunday?

Main Man went for the ball with that Liu Kang Dragon kick and balloned the ball through the window of Raheem Sterling's old council flat in Stonebridge...

raumdeuter:
Its on record nihilist never wanted Conte too and felt he will fail

Not quite accurate. I didn't 'not want' Conte.

I just felt that he had no right to claim the players over achieved under Jose.

He sha prove me wrong. Winning the title with a bag of beans wearing jersey and shin pad is no mean feat

BlueAngel444:
Alvaro Morata had less than 20 minutes to prove his mettle against Arsenal and while many choose to criticise him for missing a penalty kick, the knowledgeable ones are looking at some qualities he exuded during the game.

You don't need too much time to score. You don't even need to play in your position. Ask Timbros.

timbros:
Logic: Lukaku played for Chelsea 10 times, 0 goals (don't even start on the wing he played. Sturridge was scoring when he was played off wing.) but as soon as he left for West Brom he scored in his debut, as a 77th minute sub. The next game he scored. What better way to describe average player in a small pond?

raumdeuter:
If Hidden Hazard cannot deliver more than Josh King number of goals then why is he the star man and highest earner? Primary and sole duty is subjective. Costa didn't top goal scorers chart last season even didn't make top 3 yet Chelsea won the league. Madrid won their league Benzema scored 11 goals.

Players like Willian need to contribute more than the usual 5-7 goals a season as attackers, Same with Hidden Hazard

There are players like Costa who can stand alone upfront and battle defenders on his own, create chances out of nothing and win games, If you cant find that type of man then you have to find others options of winning games

Hazard is our main creator not our main goal threat. If you remove Pens from his game, he's averaging 8-9 goals a season.

Every team has a point man, and his supporting cast. Hazard is one of the best supporters in the business though we've been begging him to move from supporting cast to Star man for the last 2 seasons.

Costa was our point man, and so his replacement has to be pointman ready. We don't need a supporter to play 9.

That awkward moment at the end of the season when Morata wins golden boot and leaves me with egg on my face...

nateevs:
There's no need to make it look like we are trying to sacrifice goals for first touch. We are saying, without first touch, one guy may score a lot but collectively, less. We are saying..... with first touch, we want to score more goals, but collectively! It's as simple as ABC. Unless, as you have rightly admitted, there is an agenda.

Thank God we can check this very easily at the end of the season.

First touch increases collective goal output.


Wedehia!

nateevs:
Emi Night Walker! Don't get it twisted Greyjoy, the storm is coming for you.

pamcode:
what he said kinda make sense though.

Aye it did.

Do you want to enter the list. Space still dey o.

nateevs:
Firstly, I did state categorically that only Ronaldo level talent should worth that amount.

Secondly, we've been through this Lukaku thingy. It doesn't matter that he is 24, he lacks the fundamental requirements to take us to the next level. We've come a long way in our building. At least for once, the rhetoric of sexy football doesn't winning matches is dead forever.

Jam body football is gone. I hate to see us spend £80m to bring it back.

Conte -

“If I had to buy one striker I would go to Kane. He is a complete striker. He is strong physically, with the ball, without the ball, he fights and he’s strong in the air and acrobatic on the right and the left. He’s a complete player. He’s one of the top strikers in the world

Conte - ‘You know very well the dynamic of the market: it seemed that Morata would finish at Manchester United and Lukaku at Chelsea. Instead it happened the other way around.’


Conte - ‘Morata is having training with us and for sure he has to improve a lot his physical condition to go quickly to the idea of our football,’ said Conte.


Conte does not like Jambody

diggz:
Airmark you Sabi the creator of first touch make you help timbros out?

nateevs:
There is a reason why we are linked over an over with the likes Morata and Dembele (by the way, he was at SB on final day of the winter window. Brendan confirms this) and not Lukaku. Because just like I hinted mid-week, when it comes to team success in a playing strategy, the combined effect of having the appropriate player per position is greater than having one super scorer who potentially breaks down play.

Lukaku lacks the technical ability for tight corners and the explosiveness to press, receive balls in tight spaces, make one-twos with Hazards, Pedros, Kantes and move the ball into the opposition area in seconds. This is not Lukaku.

So while Morata and Dembele might be outscored by Lukaku in a kick and follow strategy, someone like Conte will not sacrifice fluidity in attack and continuity in play for a 20-goal-season Lukaku. If it comes to that, then the system will change altogether.

However, if we are to continue in this formation, Lukaku to Chelsea will not happen. It doesn't matter what Morata/Dembele have or don't have over Lukaku in goal scoring. It's what each player potentially brings to improving the system.

It's the same reason you have a high-volume assist-maker in Fabregas and people wonder why he doesn't play. Because the potential consequence of playing Fabregas is deemed greater than the advantage of high volume assist-making.

The system relies on multiple assist-makers/scorers, whose primary role is contributing 'technically' to its sustenance, continuity and improvement.

First Touch is Better than Goals...Verbatim

diggz:
That first touch is better than goals naim burst my head pass

Segzy football.

Oh Lord

Is that Pogba?

raumdeuter:
As much as I am on the go beg Costa back train, and I will love Morata to fail so I can laugh at Chelsea but some of these criticisms are way too early

Morata will never play like Costa, He isnt a Costa. Chelsea will have to change the way they attack and contribute to goals

If Morata doesnt score 30, but his play upfront enable the other attackers to score more by being less of an individualist and more of a team player.

Madrid won the league last season and their main striker Benzema scored 11 goals. If lazy and unproductive attackers like Hidden Hazard can step up and outscore Joshua King, Chelsea will be better

Me, I have my own agenda.

I'm not even bothering to assess what Morata can bring to Chelsea as I'm already convinced that he wasn't even ready for EPL in the first place. If Conte manages to work on his mentality, then great. Otherwise, it's simply more ammo for me.

My main agenda is to prove the guys who said first touch is better than goals, that I was right and they were wrong.

Call me the Arya Stark of the thread, cos I have a list of people I need to kill this season.

Don't worry Nateevs...you're last on the list....

EvilMetahuman:
batshuayi's goal against westrom gave chelsea points that night chelsea officially won the league.

Yes, goals like that.

Most goals ronaldo scored last season in champions league.


Ronaldo has a better chance of winning wopty ahead of messi despite messi having having a better stat or goals. Does that even mean anything to you?

Actually as at the 86th minute of that match, Chelsea already had a point in hand from the impending draw.

After Batshuayi scored, we still had to stop them from equalizing, which led to a series of substitutions and tactical fouls.

Now imagine this scenario, if say Craig Dawson had scored a last minute header for the baggies in literally the last kick of the game...would Batshuayi have ' given Chelsea points' as you claim?

Also, would Chelsea have left the Midlands with no points?

Answer on a postcard

EvilMetahuman:
I never said 20+ goals is bad thing and 20+ plus goals can't be all useless.

I was talking about quality not quantity.

If player A scores 10 goals and the goals gave a team 15 points, while player B scores 40 goals but the goals only gave the the 5points, who would you rather want on your team?
.

Can you explain how the goals a player scores directly correlates the the points a team accrues?

Like a real life example on how player A's goals directly translate into points.

dopeJemi:
the point is, 20+ plus goals can't be useless

who would a club rather buy, a player that scores 30+ useless goals or the one that scores only a few important goals? if you were the manager of a team, Who would you go for?

let's assume Ronaldo didn't score 25goals last season, how important do you think Morata's goals would be? 20+ useless goals laid the foundation for a few Important goals


there is no way 20+ plus goals won't have impact, no way...

Timbros knows why I'm coming for him. That's why he ran away.

I remember when I told him Lukaku scored 20+ goals and that the next Everton goal scorer had only 5, but Timbros insisted that Lukaku's goals were useless as he did not win Everton the league.

Now he's saying Morata needs his team mates to step up their attacking.

He never hala.

We dey here.

timbros:
So OptaJoe official Twitter handle is just 'somebody'.... wow!

Well, squawka might just be another 'somebody'.

Sqwuaka buy data from Opta.

My dude, is it so difficult to show us how Morata won Madrid the league without quoting somebody else saying Madrid won us the league?

I mean the data is out there. His number of goals are known. The matches he scored them in are also known.

The issue now, instead of parroting somebody else( who by the way, do NOT say how they came to this conclusion), why can't you tell me exactly how Morata won Madrid the league?

timbros:
Good day again.

So a screenshot of somebody saying Morata won Madrid the title is proof that Morata won Madrid the title?

Wow.

This is interesting

timbros:
I see you choose whatever you want in my post and interpret it which ever way you want.

This is the post you quoted below. How you failed to comprehend the bolded is beyond me. At this point, I bow out.

Good day.

You're the one who fails to comprehend anything my G.

You cannot see a dull boy who has a history of failing and repeating classes in secondary school and then expect him to have a high scoring Jamb result.

That's a reason why for each of those players, I analysed their numbers through out their entire careers.

Pedro for example, that played in an ultra attacking Barca team and managed to score 15 league goals only once in his career, cannot reasonably be expected to dramatically increase his output to cover for Morata.

That's as foolish as saying if William improves his goal output, then we don't need a new striker. In theory, that statement is true...but has Willian ever shown you the potential for such an exponential increase in productivity?

Has Pedro?

I think Hazard has shown some potential to improve his goal scoring, but dude is injured and out for like 2 months, and then he has to get his rythym back and learn to play with his new team mates...

So what is the basis for your expectation that 'they can all improve their goal stat'?

timbros:
For you to pick only the 2020 example in my post tells me you are here just to troll.

Have Morata flopped yet? Have Neymar succeeded in PSG yet? Have Lukaku repeated his 25 goal haul in United yet?

This is just a Community Shield match!

Why all the attack?

And talking about the price tag, 70m for a striker TODAY is ordinary. The market is highly inflated now so nobody should attach Morata's price tag as the reason why he should be scoring hat trick in every match.

Defenders go for 50m+ now. Why not a striker?

No it's not. Even in this bloated market, Lacazette went for far less than that. Salah went for less than that. Chicharito went for far less than that. Costa will be sold for a lot less than that

When you spend 70m on a striker, you expect 70m worth of goals....not 70 million excuses

timbros:

Morata won 13 points for Madrid, only behind Ronaldo. Minus that 13 points from Madrid's 93 points and let's see how they will be Champions.

.

Prove this.

timbros:
Good. Now you're talking.

So we should be discussing about how our entire strike force should improve their goal scoring output not just Morata.

Hazard - Morata - Pedro can be a devastating attack line if they all improve in their goal stat. We have one of the best (if not the best) in the assist chart, Fabregas.

If we can play that attack and somehow fit Fabregas in our midfield, I don't see why that trio won't give us 45 50 goals.

Drogba didn't score much but he has players to share the goal scoring job with. The same way we should be looking at other players in the current squad to score more and not depend only on Morata's goals for trophies.

Lol Pedro....Devastating Attack...

Pedro has only scored more than 10 league goals on 3 occasions in his entire career...despite playing with the Assist masters Xavi and Iniesta. In fact, dude managed to score up to 15 league goals for the first and last time in his life 4 years ago.

That's the Devastating Attack

Morata also managed more than 10 league goals for the first time in his life last season, though maybe he's on the come up, at the start of an upward trend.

Hazard is not a goal scorer...man says so himself. 12-15 league goals a season is his baseline.

This is the devastating attack that can carry Morata so that he doesn't need to net 20?

Timbros...

Griffon:
Can you take a tea?

Griffon:
I believe i am the German's biggest fan on this board but i gotta be honest, Cahill seems to be a different player lately.

Dude looks solid all of a sudden, with too many tackles, interceptions and clearances all to his name.
Maybe na just pre-season.

He is Chelsea's captain as i type this.

Don't let preseason hype fool you. Cahill is only good when he's on the end of a corner or freekick. His defending has gone significantly downhill over the last two season. I believe it's only a matter of time till he gets exposed again this season. Hopefully, one of the competing CBs breathing down his neck will relegate him to the bench, sooner rather than later.

timbros:
The question is, did Drogba our target man score 20+ goals for us to win titles? Why must Airmark continue his 20+ goals line everytime?

Yes Costa's goals won us titles, so does Morata's goals in Madrid. It must not be 20+ goals.

Stop misunderstanding me bros. I said Costa's goals won us titles and I still stand by that. Morata's goals won Madrid a title last season too. So yes, goals win titles. BUT IT MUST NOT BE 20+ GOALS.

Wetin hard to understand there?

If we ask you how Morata won the league for Madrid as a Benchwarmer, you will start floundering again....

The fact simply remains that Dragba had a far far better supporting cast around him to share the goal scoring burden. Who will share scoring burden here with Hazard out?

For the last 3 seasons, Costa has been our highest goal scorer, followed by Hazard. Costa is gone. Hazard is injured. We've now spent 70m on a Costa replacement, but you're saying that Morata does not even need to match his predecessor. Who do you think will make up the Shortfall of goals? Kante?

Is this logic that difficult to follow?

Griffon:
Van Dijk - Luiz - Cahill

This IMHO isn't bad at all for Europe and the league.

Rudiger and Christensen can serve as back-ups.

There isn't really any strong reason to jettison Luiz if Dijk signs. We are trying to bolster this thin squad.

Cahill out for Rudiger for me.