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Unlimited22:
I think the reason why Costa's absence is so keenly felt is that Conte's target to replace him didn't materialise.
Morata has not convinced at all so far.

meanwhile the Conte himself is not even with us...and we're the ones having to live with the pains inflicted every match day by the Prince of darkness and ambassador of the sunken place

nobody talking about how Kroos was unable to step up now that the terminator has moved to Turin.


This season go long gaan

Leyqute:
Kokoro ti n jefo

my Guy how you dey na?

who dem Drimble like that abeg

see this Ghanaian fool

Conte is a bastard o.

kroos ko

McGregor ramos ti ki si

kroos won't do now and defend his honour from Nairaland slanderers

hopefulLandlord:
4-3-2-1 and 4-2-3-1 are both 4-5-1 in simplistic view, Yes/No?

4-1-2-1-2 could be wingers?

who are the wingers exactly?

4-1-2-1-2 is called "Diamond 4-4-2" no wingers, its the fullbacks that'll provide width with the first "2" covering up when the fullbacks bomb forward

we don't do simplistic here. It might be sufficient to take a simplistic view with okada riders at the complete sports vendors desk, but we generally pride ourselves on our academic approach to debates on this thread...

It's your first time here, and I am honoured to have taken your virginity.

I'm sure will learn from the experience and comeback with well researched submissions in future

Good Evening.

hopefulLandlord:
Where did you get that formation? can you get the clasico 3-1 for me?

I suspect you've seen it but you don't want to bring it here so you can dash out "Ls" its a pity I'm not good at getting such so if that's what it takes and you're so interested in winning then I gladly take the L

I can't do your homework for you. Do your googles and come back when you're better informed.

Good that you've taken the L.

Let's keep it moving.

Next.......

hopefulLandlord:
oh god!

4-5-1 is a simplistic look at varieties of formations

4-5-1 could actually have NO wingers ala "Christmas Tree" formation of Ancelotti's Milan. The formations 4-5-1, 5-3-2, 4-4-2 are laymen interpretation of formation

Also now that you're using the word "hole" what does the second 1 in 4-1-2-1-2 do? is it any different from what the middle of the 3 in 4-2-3-1 does? They're both in hole but you're classing the former as a midfielder but refuse to do the same for the latter?

You seem to be running around in circles

Christmas three is 4321.

This is basic football knowledge that any pundit should be able to vomit in his sleep.

you're beginning to waffle now to be honest.

4231 is counted there to emphasise that the midfield duo are in a pivot, with one guy in the hole.

When we say 2 man midfield, we're talking about the existence of a pivot.

41212 could be with Cms or wingers...so it could actually be a 3 man or one man joint.

The person that took the effort to count the formation for you is not a fool.

hopefulLandlord:
I don't know what those "Madridistas" are talking about, maybe they can come and explain better since its apparently not your own point

However Kroos was fantastic during the clasico win and he played in middle 2 with Isco and James as wide midfielders just like Mata and Lingaard do for Man U

The season ended badly when Modrić became unfit so we made Isco play beside Kroos, Isco didn't have the defensive discipline of Modrić so the midfield was getting overrun which also culminated in our being dumped out by Juventus

With the way I've been talking even if I'm unable to get "proof" like you wanted I sound like someone who watched those games, don't I?

I'm not disputing what you saw with your two eyes.

Your interpretation of what you saw is what is in doubt here.

You've said a lot of questionable and suspect things in the last 24 hours, and so it's my opinion that your opinions are not to be trusted.

I imagine the feeling is mutual, hence I've been providing evidence to back up every point I've made - from madridistas disagreeing with your opinions, to screenshots of real madrid formations from reputable website.

This is Chelsea thread. Here every debate is an exercise in academia. We provide well referenced submissions to every debate...

I only know you from Ashewo thread and they do things differently in that side.

Come correct or take your L along with 2 seats...

hopefulLandlord:
oh god!

you realise we can call that formation 4-5-1? by your logic then they're using 5 midfielders?

Just like 4-4-2 during the second half of our 2016/17 season would be broken down to 4-1-2-1-2?

The second "1" in that formation is actually regarded as a midfielder but he handles the same role the middle player in the 3 of a 4-2-3-1 and even occupies the same position on the template

Oga, it appears you have a totally simplistic look at formations

451 is a 3 man midfield with withdrawn wingers.

433 is a 3 man midfield with attacking wingers.


4231 a 2 man midfield with a 10 or supporting striker.

The middle man in the 3 inhabits a zone known as the hole. What do you think the hole is? Here's a clue - it's NOT midfield.

hopefulLandlord:
so all you've been doing is trying to win and hand out L?

Hahahaha This is funny because I'm not even trying to win

Bale was hardly fit! we played 2 man midfield of Kroos and Modrić a lot more than the formation you're bringing during our 22 game winning streak

I don't know how to get lineups so why not get the el clasico lineup of that season when we beat Barca 3-1 and let's see?

oga show your proof na?

We know that Kroos played DM in a 3, and even your fellow mafridistas are on record as being dissatisfied with his performance in that position.

We contend that if he was played in a 2, that discontent would have been open rebellion.

If you say Kroos played multiple matches as part of a pivot, it should not be too hard to find evidence of such lineups

hopefulLandlord:
But that hensben guy is right!!

In a 4231 formation we have 3 midfielders
2 side midfielders who would double up as wingers then a striker

Ozil was a midfielder in Madrid's 4-2-3-1 formation, Khedira and Alonso behind him or was he a forward/striker?

How's it stupidity?

The fact that somebody felt the need to count out the number of players in each band on the pitch should make the answer to your question self-evident

4231.

The 2 is not short for toothpaste.

hopefulLandlord:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29541443

That's the clasico match

Didn't see any formation in that link

See below.

This is how 2 different websites had Madrid lining up that year.

Show your proof or claim this L.

hopefulLandlord:
Proof of what?

proof that Madrid lined up how you say they did

hopefulLandlord:
We hardly played 4-3-3 during the 22 game winning streak because bale was hardly fit

We played

Casillas

Carvajal Pepe/Varane Ramos Marcelo

Kroos
Modrić

James Isco

Benzema Ronaldo

This was the same formation we used to beat UEFAlona 3-1 that season amongst our 22 game winning streak

this is also the formation Man U use that people say its a "midfield 2" with Mata and Lingaard playing in James and Isco's position. When Bale became fit in the second half of that season we started playing 4-3-3

wheres your proof?

hopefulLandlord:
2 in 4231 is actually 3 man midfield by the logic of someone bringing up James and Isco when Kroos was playing as a DM

Look at Man U, they play with Pogba and Matic, people call it "Midfield 2" despite the fact that Lingaard and Mata are also there occupying the same positions Isco and James occupied when Kroos played as a DM

actually whoscored have Madrid's most common formation as 433 that season

that's not a midfield 2.

hensben:
In that formation we have 3 midfielder; DMF, Box to box and AMF unlike in 3-4-3 formation.

why are you this stupid?

no offence

hopefulLandlord:
What goof?

is 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 two man midfield?

what do you think the 2 in 4231 stands for?

2pac?

hopefulLandlord:
Lol! I watch 98% of all Kroos games since he joined Madrid and 40% of his games before then

Maybe you can answer the question he's refused to answer. what does midfield 2 mean to you? does it mean 4-2-4 formation?

the meaning of 2 man midfield is self evident...

nobody calls 4231 the same as 433.

Accept your goof and let's keep it moving....

raumdeuter:
So where was Isco and James playing when Kroos was in a midfield 2?

I suspect that guy hasn't watched Kroos for long...

I just dey remember Toba now

hopefulLandlord:
I'm sure you did. how "lazy" was he when he played DM for us?

From your fellow Madrid follower

usbcable:
Not Case off course.

I was considering benching Kroos for him.

James is faster (not the fastest in the team though) than Kroos vis Attacks build up.

James brings more potency to our attack line anytime he is on the pitch.

Truth is am not a fan of Kroos especially not when he is constantly being played as the DM. An experiment that has never worked in 2 seasons.
He is better off as a CM not a DM.

If we face ATM Kroos should be on the bench. He has not the physicality to combat the ATM marines. and he is not the best at attacks.
Balance wise he is goos as in not full attack and not full defence.

Unlimited22:
Those games were against Panama and Tunisia.
A second string England.
And still he didn't look like the KDB we know.

Can't really see any ratings that match your assertion

BTW KDB for belgium played in a midfield 2 with only 3 defenders at the back - you cant expect him to fufill the same tactical role as he does at City - but that's a different discussion

ashey olodo leleyi sha?

Abeg who's man is this?

madrid5:
abeg does man city now play in pluto or i watch their okrika version.

You are the same person that saw Kroos dominate a match between Brazil and France, so only God knows what you watch....

Emaprince:
If KDB is in Madrid, I think it will be between him and modric.

Kroos is untouchable.

KDB who has a tendency to push forward in his quest for goals and assist can not play as a midfield controller. Kroos is always calm on the ball just like xavi. He distributes the passes well.... And modric has the freedom to bomb forward due to kroos' presence.

KDB should be compared to the likes of Gerard... And I think Gerard is better. Lmao

You clearly don't watch city games.

Silva is the advanced CM at City. KDB barely even gets touches in the box these days. Someone described himself as a DM and you're comparing him to Gerrard?

Unlimited22:
I know. But throughout the groups and against Japan he played with Witsel.

What was the scores of those games?

The only match where KDB didn't really shine was vs France and that was due to a tactical issue.

I'm on my phone here but KDB was arguably the main man for Belgium through out- though there is an argument that it's between him and hazard.

Unlimited22:
Maybe not the Kroos role exactly, but he was played with Witsel as part of the 2 man midfield and he looked out of sorts.

KDB played 9 against Brazil

diadem10:
Lol. Very funny.

Funny enough De bruyne was asked to play Kroos' role at the worldcup and he looked rubbish in the role although he had few moment with his crosses but wasn't comfortable in the role. The only match he looked himself was the 3rd place final match where Tielesman was brought in to enable KDB to operate in his favoured role. Japan dominated belgium with a little Kagawa and Brazil with their thuggish midfield could have dumped them if they were clinical enough and so-on.

It's even wrong to compare Kdb with Kroos 'cos they operate different roles.

KDB played Kroos role vs Brazil?

This guy is just a clown.