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gensteejay:
This sort of argument is tiring, to say the least. The double-standard displayed by KDB's fans here is egregiously shocking -- especially coming from someone like nihilistjnr, who isn't renowned to engage in wanton amala turning frequently like someone we all know

What's the double standard that I've displayed?

hopefulLandlord:
Could it be they were fortunate to have Kroos too? could it be a 2 ways street?

Agreed!


big difference! You're trying hard to diminish Kroos by bringing players no one deemed very important throughout successes

Benzema is a player real Madrid fans boo almost every week, that alone shows the level of importance they think he has. Benzema is a striker most Madrid fans can't wait for to get injured because they don't understand why he still starts for us as he's gotten useless with each passing season

Khedira is a player who Mourinho favoured a lot. Being a starter for Mourinhos team might just be because you're loved or you play the way he wants you to (see KDB vs Oscar at Chelsea) not that you're better than those he's using you over
As soon as coach changed Khedira found himself out of favour because his limitations became obvious.

I don't see how these examples relates to Kroos who has played under various managers at various teams but you put it all down to luck?


I don't see the point of this...... Remind me how MAIN MAN was he at Chelsea?

Honestly I'm starting to get tired of this

My point is that a player can be a guaranteed starter for a title winning side, regardless of his actual level of ability.

Like you said, Benzema is booed regularly...but he's still a starter at Madrid under multiple managers.

Khedira is another multiple title winner in different teams under different managers, and you have described him as limited

So if playing regularly under multiple managers is not an accurate indicator of the level of ability, then what argument are you trying to make for Kroos?

Of course, you have to be a very good player relative to most other footballers, to play for Madrid, Bayern and Germany...and Benzema for example is a very good player - but he's not anywhere near as good as Harry Kane at Spurs or England

Similarly, trying to argue that Kroos is better than KDB simply because one plays for Madrid, and one plays for the historically smaller team in Manchester, is simply an exercise in contradiction.


btw FYI

We only have 4 Bayern fans on this board, and 3 of them used to abuse Kroos every single week when he played for them. So the Benzema comparison is very appropriate...

hopefulLandlord:
Your previous point is quoted was saying its easy for Kroosifier because he has Ororo. aren't you sticking to that or you're dropping it like a hot potato?

There's nothing you're mentioning that I haven't already addressed.

Kroos is a good player who has been fortunate to play in 3 exceptional teams and as such have a good career.

But career and ability are two different things.

Benzema is another one at Madrid who has had an exceptional Career which is not commensurate to his ability. Khedira is Another one like that - he just happened to be around teams that are in their prime.

nobody will dare build a team around Kroos despite his glittering career.

KDB on the other hand is the MAIN man in any team he plays in. ANY.

If you want to compare Careers, then Kroos comes up top.

if you want to compare ability however.....

hopefulLandlord:
Kroos doesn't have Ororo in German national team last I checked

Neither did he have Ororo at Bayern

make of that what you will

There's nothing to make of that in a comparison with KDB.

AfroSamurai:
For the weed lovers.

sip some shekpe and some claroo

this was the jam that year sha

Elrony dey normally mad on Wednesdays...

e be like say e just wan early today...

very punctual

Eruditor:
So Kroos played when Brazil played France. I am an idiot then. I accept.

So Andre Schullre too dominated that game abi? Because scoring 2 goals is equivalent to dominating again.

airmark:
Lordfalcao is the one I want to leave Chelsea, not Bakayoko. I'm ashamed of him supporting what I support.

Good God....

diggz:
ok...I cant debate further with assumptions which are not facts... enjoy

How's this for a fact:

"I haven't scored yet, but I'm playing as a defending midfielder. My role changed, but my games are good. I know what I bring to the team and what my role is. No one knows what I had to do. People think I play as an attacking midfielder, that's wrong. They see Kevin De Bruyne, attacking midfielder so he has to score and give assists. But they don't look beyond that." - Kevin De Bruyne

madrid5:
except pedro was a bench player for that half his career,okay go on then kroos na bench player?

Even if thats true? The his performance in the other half of his career is still not comensurate to the number of titles he won.

See this guy o.

As if Benzema as a starter has not won all the same things with Madrid that Kroos has won.

And this is you cussing out Benz here

madrid5:
i take a fit bale over salah anyday,f3ck that shit a firmihno over the shit offered by benzema for the pass 2 years

So Benzema in your own opinion has been offering shìt for 2 years, while winning 3 UCL in the same time period, what argument are you making for Kroos again?

Melvyn11:
When he won the world cup with Germany was modric babysitting him or was ororo there also?

Nope, but Boateng and Gotze were..

madrid5:
its classic premier league fans overhyping, ronaldo is the only one who was praised in laliga mainly because he came from the epl,divide kroos's career by half he is still bigger than KDB

Divide Pedro's career by half and it's actually better than Neymars

Doesn't mean jack

gensteejay:
You people are just overhyping KDB's repertoire cum achievements while downplaying Kroos'.

what are these acheivements

It's like saying Benzema is better than Aguero because of all those UCLs

What do you think Ororo won WPOTY 4 times at for?

gensteejay:
How could some people attribute the performance of Toni Kroos that successfully made Madrid's first XI for 3 straight seasons (and still counting) to "luck"? Luck in a star-studded Madrid team?

KDB, though an ace player, is definitely not in the same class as Kross: The latter's quality clear trumps the Belgian's.

what is this class?

God saved Kroos that Modric didn't go to Inter again.

Let me see the class when it's just him without Modric and Ororo

liveLongNprospa:
Man Dayo and Nihilist really fall my hand for this argument..

Dayo even going as far as comparing him to Gary Neville

Yunno what Philip Lahm isn't even as good as Ashley Cole. While i feel Lahm benefited from having talented players around him, if he was put in a Chelsea team.. Or even in the english team, he would have found his actual level bloody gum body

nobody said Kroos is not a good player.

but good yato si best.

some animals are more equal than others.

Ozil is a good player - when he's not surrounded by quality he looks likes a dog's vomit

KDB has never played with teammates of Kroos quality.

Casemiro benched the living daylights out of Fernandinho for Brazil.

Modric was voted best player at a WC...unlike Silva.


And that's just the midfield o


There is something known as kickback püssy - sometimes you go clubbing with a mega baller that buys like 20 bottles in the club. All the girls flock to his table...He picks like 2 or 3, and by virtue of being in his entourage, you just mop up what falls in your lap- no questions asked and certainly no discussion.

You think there's no benefit to playing with a 5 time WPOTY? what did you think Ororo was winning all those awards for?

Kroos is benefiting from the kickback püssy that Ororo attracted to the table.

Roland17:
I did not say he played forward, I said he finds himself in forward scoring/ attacking positions and that is because of the how fluid City plays in the final third. They rotate and interchange roles and that is why Aguero can provide an assist from the wings against Arsenal for Bernado to score.

So Kroos just stays inside centre circle for madrid abi?

Roland17:
T. Kroos is not fortunate, Krooss worked hard enough to earned his place in those teams. Luck is not going to give you a starting place with 2 very big teams, amass 4 champions league trophies and the world cup. When KDB was struggling to get in a Chelsea side and flopping in the EPL, Kroos was already showing his stuff in Germany and Europe. Kroos developed faster than KDB/Ozil and has always found a way to keep his place under any coach.

This one is the funniest yarns when you consider how long Benzema has been stealing a living at the same Madrid.

Someone too will wake up tommorow and say Benzema kept his place under all caoches and so had earned all his UCL medals

Roland17:
At 28, Kroos has achieved everything KBD (27) wishes for in footy life and it is not by chance. Toni developed faster than any of Ozil and KDB and handled the bright lights better and that is why he is cerebral.Toni may not be as elegant because he not playing as high as KDB, who even finds himself in forward positions.

Toni stabilizes teams, an excellent ball holder, better than KDB technically and is the reason Modric is able to play with as much freedom. To me he is likened to the conductor of an orchestra. With all the flair that Madrid plays with, they need Toni to maintain the balance and that is not what KDB can do for a Madrid side, if anything, Madrid will suffer more if Toni is switched for KDB.

I am shocked that some guys are carried away by the glitters especially guys who have been watching football for over 2 decades.

KDB playing which forward?

Did you watch man city last season?

Roland17:
T. Kroos is not fortunate, Krooss worked hard enough to earned his place in those teams. Luck is not going to give you a starting place with 2 very big teams, amass 4 champions league trophies and the world cup. When KDB was struggling to get in a Chelsea side and flopping in the EPL, Kroos was already showing his stuff in Germany and Europe. Kroos developed faster than KDB/Ozil and has always found a way to keep his place under any coach.

Kroos was relatively lucky to be a Bayern Product - coming through at a club that is:
1. guaranteed a league title each season before a ball is even kicked
2. commited to promoting talent from it's youth ranks.

Kroos talent is not commensurate with the trophies he has won.

It's like saying Pedro worked hard to win the World Cup or all those medals in Barca.

I'm not saying he didn't work hard or that he's not a good player, but both men clearly were carried along by their more illustrious colleagues

Shebi we go dey this season.

make we watch ball.

raumdeuter:
If they are ranking the key players to Madrid 3 CL wins what position will Kroos make? DOnt forget Madrid won in 2014 before he joined

Ronaldo
Ramos
Marcelo
Modric
Casemiro
Navas

In my opinion were all more important than Kroos

Kroos is literally the Pedro of real Madrid.

Roland17:
Would you make the same argument against KDB if he played with Madrid? After all he plays with superstars with City, does that diminish his role and impact with the team? I think this is the problem with playing with super stars. However, the good thing is Kroos's position on the field can be evaluated independently of the team results like goals and assists. Real Madrid is not his first rodeo, we have seen him play for Bayern in the champions league before Madrid and he started for both teams. It would be deceitful for me to argue against KDB because he is an excellent player but in comparison to Kroos who is tested and a champion in all competition.

There are superstars and there is Ororo. He is not on the same level as anybody KDB has ever played with.

Kroos is fortunate enough to have played in 3 exceptional teams in world.

If you consider the teams that Kroos has played in, man for man they are better than any team that KDB has ever played in.

Bayern and Madris > Chelsea, Wolfsburg and City

Germany > Belgium.

Abi is it not the same Kroos that A40 and Dayo used to abuse regularly while he played for them?

swap Kroos for KDB in those title winning teams and you can guarantee that those teams would still win the titles.

Bring Kroos to Wolfsburg or City and swear that he would have the same impact?

Kroos is not a difference maker. He's a good player that can synergise well with other good players.


KDB is a difference maker. if you arrange a team of 10 comprised of farmers, hunters, gatemen, shoemakers, rewire and leyqute...and add KDB they have a fighting chance.

Roland17:
In my opinion, none of the embolden is good enough to lace the boot of T. Kroos, worth more displacing him in any team set up especially if compared in their prime, and that is putting it kindly. To even imagine you included Veratti and Eriksen makes it very easy for me to dismiss your argument.

KDB enjoyed a wonderful season last year, while that is enough for a case, it is not enough to top Kroos who has dominated games in every competition and league he has played.

Forget that thing.

it's easy to 'dominate' when you have machines like Ororo playing in front of you.

Let's see what Kroos can do in a team that doesn't also contain the greatest forward of all time...

KDB is to me the most complete midfielder since Gullit.

Physically he's fast and strong. Technically he get am. Mentally he full ground. Any-cally KDB pass Kroos yaga yaga.

raumdeuter:
Is he not kagawa10

he's the same person. only him flaunting two peoples madness

diadem10:
See as my mention dey ring everytime people quote you.

Zidane doesn't even have arab gene. He only speaks Arabs. He doesn't even look like them ffs. His facial looks, hairs (which looks like Nani's and some Niger's hairs) doesn't even look Arab but some self hating delusionist would say otherwise, just to keep up with his complex issues that Arabs and Whites are superior to Africans. Fvcking brainwashed mofo. It would be easier if this same delusionist was even light skinned, not one black charcoal skinned somebody asslicking the whites. Yeye.

The person that did this to you must have been really pissed off.

elrony:
Diadem10 can't be wrong...


You're black as long as you're African, how you see it is furthermore subjective!!!

Nihilstjnr you're black, just like Nebuchadnezzar EOD!

I'm chinese, you son of perdition!

raumdeuter:
The thing tire me na alternate reality world he dey.

Did he also say outsidethe box goals don't count

That guy suffers from a rare form of cognitive dissonance.

In case you didn't know, it was because of him his fellow scummies invented the phrase 'Canopy analyst'.


Every fan community on this forum has one champion ediot in the ranks - scummies have two: kagawa10 and Diadem

Diadem10: Hey Zizou, did you know you were black?

ZZ: Moi?

https://www.sofoot.com/IMG/img_580_380_center_articles-214964.jpg

funlord:
I have an affinity with the Arabic world. I have it in my blood, via my parents. I’m very proud of being French, but also very proud of having these roots and this diversity.

Zidane........ www.esquire.com




(I prefer Adamawa....he can't be Arabic...I no gree. )

LMAO

The fool will soon come out and say Zidane is racist against himself

diadem10:
Caucausian SA whose lineage are whites are whites. Get that sunk into your racist brain.
Football IQ kwa? What nonsense is that? Whatever your brainwashed brain chooses to believe, the point we Blacks are not in anyway inferior to the whites. The blacks got France the worldcup. Let it keep ringing in your ears. Brainwashed mofo

So it's Zidane whose lineage is from your compound in ohafia abi?

mugu.

You say Zidane is black because he is African. Why are Caucasian South Africans who are Africans not Black too...

You just dey rock garment of stupidtty like say you be model.

I hail o

obainojazz:
If true, this is serious..

If someone that earnestly believes that Zidane is more black than Arab, accuses me of racism, I can't argue with his truth.

When a madman says he sees ghosts dancing in an empty room, he's not lying...

diadem10:
The point is the Berbers are africans. Why whitewash the africa roots because Arabs colonised and breeded with them?

Funny thing is if Tania, whose skin is 'whiter than Zidane whose colour looks on the darker side could be regarded as a black Nigerian, what stopped Zidane from being an african?

Exactly what I told Nilhist who now thinks he's white because he's married to a white woman. Wouldn't be surprised if Obi Mikel claims to be white tomorrow. Lmao. How could a black man be a racist to his fellow blacks? Yeye dey smell. The most annoying is uplifting an arab man above an african man as well.

This guy is so stoopid.

Caucasian South Africans must be black too because they are Africans.

Person dey discuss football IQ, the guy say na racism.

obolo.