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@ babe1,

no i am not single, so no hooking up

nilla what do you mean you should sell to anyone without intentions what kind of devils advocate are you playing don't you know what hezbollah hamas or the taliban would do if they got their hands on a nuke?

I am not playing devils advocate. But the reason given here on why NK should not have nukes is so they dont sell to terrorists abi?

I dont like terrorists, but i believe every country has a right to own WMDS.

Other countries sell weapons, so NK has a right to sell weapons too.

@ nutter,

i feel you. Before i even saw her post i was already dreaming of chinese (wanted to eat sea food though)
then after her post i started craving.

@ debosky, sorry i didn't answer your question well.
but i think shango did.

anyways Hezbollah is not pointing nukes at Israel. Why does the US have military in most countries, thats not right (those countries can say they are pointing their weapons right on them)

The US has not and CANNOT threaten to use nukes on NK if they don't listen, u know why? cuzz russia and china wd never ever stand for that.

but they can use it if they want to.

i know

@ babe1, your making me hungry.

pray tell how is the US using their nukes as a chip against NK? all they said is - we wont give u the oil you need, nor the technology or food aid they want of they continue weapons development, which they will sell to anybody regardless of intentions

Doesn't that look like a bargaining chip to you (in bold prints)

Selling to anybody regardless of intention. Since when has that being a problem. Sellers don't really care about their customers (e.g cigarette makers, even though it causes cancer).

lol

the question about who first used nuclear weapons is moot, the US isn't pointing nukes at anybody or using them as bargaining chips, or calling for the annihilation of any other nation

they are using it as bargaining chips. telling countries like North Korea to cease development or else,
US being the only country that has used WMD before, will surely use it again if they think they need to (why else will they still have WMDs to defend themselves ,  thats what every body seems to be doing these days   )

@ dondele, it sure is.

medube:
I have already said that before. it is said in the Bible that Israel shall never know peace and shall never see the promised land? What they are fighting for, I don't know

Please do you know the verse?

@ Medube

nice points from 1 to 6.

I love the comment below especially

Now is it only, Israel, US, UK, China, Russia and few other nations in the world that are allowed to acquire weapons for national or regional protection?

I think it would make a good discussion thread. While i personally would not like any country to have WMD (one simple reason would be because humans are funny beings and not predictable), I believe if some countries have them, any country that has the resources had better have them too.
The countries that don't want others to have them had better set good examples and disarm theirs   . Or else, they can keep quiet and let this be a free world.

the Israel Lebanon thing is too complicated. There is just too many factors. the religion factor ofcourse always fuels things. the factor of who originaly owns the land.

who knows the verse in the bible that talks about Israel not having peace?
I am not sure,but i think there is sth like that in the bible.

Till the arab side decides they can live in peace with israel

has Israel decided to live in peace with the arabs?

I don't like war anymore than you nilla, but if someone threatens my family and wants to destroy me, i will have no option but to defend myself

thats why i am saying its a circle that will continue b/c the relatives of those children that have holes in their bodies from bullets or missiles (whatever) are going to be doing some avenging.

Kabiyesi

thanks for the info will check them out later

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/wounded/gallery.htm

reason i dont like war.

the Christian leaders here, that act as the vanguard of war?

please can you shed more light.

davidylan:
I'm sure you'd rather be there than Iran, Jordan or Lebanon right now

NO NO NO NO
i'd rather be in Nigeria.

debosky:
who do you think they've been firing rockets at for the past 6 years?? Kiriyat Shemona, and the whole of Galilee had to build bomb shelters FOR CIVILLIANS because of hisbollah rockets

we would go around in circles once again oh. i said recent crisis.


Anyways I will agree with all of you that say Israel has a right to defend itself. But i still wont support them. Like davidylan said i get emotional when i see the dead children. That i can't help its too painful.
But you guys know there wont be long term peace in Israel right. Because this circle is going to continue.

Now that USA has clipped part of Al-quades wings, we have had less attacks in the last 2 years!

that does not mean i feel safe in the US. they made more enemies by invading Iraq.

debosky:
It took israel that time cuzz the lebanese govt refused and is still refusing to control its territory and prevent people (PLO, hisbollah, hamas) using its land to attack sovereign countries. even with that situation, they left, hoping that the lebanese will do the right thing and police their land. they didnt.

Shebi you guys remember dictatorship rule in nigeria. nobody liked it but there was nothing anyone could do about it. And during that time, the UN etc. would sanction us on different things, but who were the people suffering it (the civilians not the military). So if the lebanon govt. is weak, it doesnt mean the lebanese people should suffer it.

davidylan:
How did Isreal start the war in your view? Who attacked first, killing 3 soldiers and capturing 2? I think that was hizbollah! That is the big picture you need to see and not let your emotions run away anytime you see dead children!

Looks like i dont get the same news you get. all this while i know of only capturing 2 soldiers (didn't know bout 3 dead soldiers). in this recent crisis, hezbollah did not attack the civilians first.

If people want to fight war, they might as well go by the rules of just war.

Infact i propose we should have a place or an arena just for war, just like olympics etc. but i am sure humans would still find a way to cheat  

debosky:
hmm i've been observing so far, i'll make a few comments

nilla you aren't biased, but you're not looking at the big picture - why did israel invade lebanon in 1982? PLO attacks - they wanted to destroy israel

I have never claimed to know a lot about the history of Israel and Lebanon. I didn't know why Israel attacked Lebanon. If they did so for right reasons, why did they stay that long. even if they think they had good reasons to, it does not mean the world or israel should expect lebanon to be fine with it.

debosky your point is well taken, but there is a big picture your also not seeing which is. If Israel permanently eliminates Hezbollah, it does not mean there will be lasting peace, because there will be other groups that will spring up (and some of them will probably say their reason for doing that is to avenging the lebanese innocent that died). so this is something that is a continuous circle.

davidylan:
Sometimes we all want to think we are not biased. However it is a thing of the mind. In case you forgot, there is also something called "denial"!

with that can i also say your bias.


Anyways nothwithstanding i keep telling you b/c i dont support Israel does not mean i support Hezbollah. And when i say the only reason why i am commenting is because of the innocent people that are dying, you tell me i dont really care about them. You mention other innocent victims like the ones in Israel (under the hands of hezbollah) and the hungry and dying children in Africa. Davidylan you don't know everything about me so you would not know whether i have any concerns for them or not, or even whether i do anything about it.

But i always try to bring it back to what this thread is about (Israel vs. Lebanon).
i dont think i am biased b/c of the following reasons
 i am not Lebanese
 i am not a Lebanese ally
 i am not a member or financer of Hezbollah
 i am not an enemy of Israel
 i am not an enemy of Israel's allies
 i am not a muslim
 i am not an arab
 i do not stand to gain anything from the downfall of Israel
 i do not stand to gain anything from the progress of lebanon or hezbollah

But you can say Israel is not flaunting their dead. no body said they should not or should.
the fact is Lebanon has more casualties whether flaunted or not.

I know Israel has dead innocent people too (i feel sorry for them).

But i still think started this war so thats their fault.

You say Israel has a right to defend itself. Rightfully so. every country has a right to defend themselves. everybody has a right to defend themselves.

I am sure if you ask hezbollah what they are doing they will tell you they are trying to protect their own people.


if yo go back to hezbollah attacking israel for 6 years, i will still ask you why it took israel about 20 years to leave lebanon.


i have told you you have a right to your opinions and views, and so do other people.

you know what davidylan, can you help me understand where the supposed BIAS is coming from. I mean how am i being biased? if you can explain to me how i am doing that maybe i can stop that.

davidylan:
Go check up the word "Sarcasm" in your dictionary!

You have no genuine concerns, it's all a smokescreen for your bias! For if it were real, you'd be worrying over the more than 100 souls slain on the streets baghdad by muslim militias daily, you'd be worrying over the killing of innocent souls in darfur, you would be bothered about the statements credited to the iranian president!

And about me bothering about your concerns? Like i said, look up sarcasm first! I have too many innocent Isrealis to worry about right now! I'm off to pray for the souls of the brave IDF soldiers!

you said laughable post earlier to mine. it just so happens that this too is a laughable post.

First your arguing with the people that dont agree with Israel.
Now your arguing with the people that are worried about the innocent dying in lebanon, about how genuine they are about their concern for innocent life.

Na wa for you. it looks like your just looking for anything to disagree with.
I wont even reply anything you say again that does not have anything to do with Israel vs. Lebanon.

About sarcasm, dont need my dictionary to tell me what it is MR.

@ davidylan

very laughable post abi,

you can laugh, no one's stopping you.

and also don't bother about my concerns ok.

welcome

welcome

@Mariory,

please could you attach the link of Hezbollah's website, would like to read the aims. thank you.

also

If Hezbolla isn't taken out this cycle will repeat itself again.

the cycle will repeat itself whether or not Hezbollah is taken out.

@davidylan

Hizbollah kept attacking Isreal for 6 years and no one screamed cease fire or dialogue

what about Israel occupying Lebanon for about 20 years, (they were there peacefully ehnnn, )

Never mind this is how lawyers make money. it is not necessarily who is right or what is right. its more about who can argue the most.


nothing changes the fact that

ISRAEL INDIRECTLY CREATED HEZBOLLAH.

they are only dealing with what they created. totally their problem.

My concern is the people that are dying innocently.

Kaddy

@ Shango

I skimmed through your link attachement. Ofcourse I agree dialogue rather than war. I hate war. but unfortunately some people seem to think thats the only way to solve problems.
Israel clearly said no to dialogue when they decided the only way to have a cease fire is after they have crippled Hezbollah (yet to do so)
I think Hezbollah attempted a little dialogue, when they publicly said they will return the 2 israeli soldiers in exchange for the prisoners Israel has (dont know how many)
UN wants (or at one point in time) dialogue with Israel and Lebanon. but yet this war is between Israel and Hezbollah. this does not make sense.

After all, Israel has fought wars with Egypt and Syria. How many times did it bomb their civilian areas during these conflicts? None because these countries value or valued the life of their citizens and do/did not use them as human shields.

Let me clarify, by saying Egypt and Syria valued the life of their citizens, are you trying to point out Hezbollah does not value the lives of the Lebanese people?

If yes, i would disagree with you because we know they cared about the people of lebanon or southern lebanon thats why they fought for them to get back their land.

I know i responded to some one once about Israel dutifully giving out flyers to evacuate the areas that were about to be bombed. my response was how do they evacuate when there was so much wreckage everywhere slowing down people's mmovement. I think those people would have felt safer staying in doors than outside, not knowing when they will get to their destination.