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Lol God only breathe the breath of life (spirit) into Adam lifeless body and he become a living being. All other human inherit life from Adam. God didn't give everyone any specific spirit but the spirit is common to all.

sonmvayina:
Uma even they read una post before una press submit? Does this even make any sense to you?

Be truthful.

Man is a composite entity made up of dust from the earth and God's breath (spirit) in other words Weare God's spirit dwelling within a vessel made from the DUST of the earth. We are God spirit having a human experience. At death the spirit will return to God Then we bury the body for it to return to dust. There is nothing stopping God from sending the spirt again if it has not completed its mission on earth. It was reported by one of the prophet of saying "Before you where formed in your mother's womb, I knew you"..
Reincarnation is supported by gods word.


Enough of all this Jesus bullshit

People are so ignorant aswear. The poster included.
Where in the old testament did you see God warn the people bout burning in fire after death?
Or where did he reveal to his prophet that those that sin will burn in hell fire when they die?
When did the penalty of sin changed from death to eternal burning in fire?

Although Jesus mentioned Gehenna (translated to hell) it describes or illustrate something else but no conscious suffering in hell.

The apostles and early church, why Dem no carry hell fire for head like you do in their Epistles and Acts? But because they understand the scriptures. They didn't go about scaring people with hell imaginary fire.

You don't need believe in hell fire before you live a righteous life. Cos if you really understand the bible you wouldn't risk eternal life for the pleasure of this present world rule by Satan

I think you should rather direct your last sentence to yourself
But you really sound as if you don't believe in heaven or the bible at all. Your bolded statement is somehow. Kingdom of God na for both gender!
I didn't add anything but re-echoed what God revealed in Revelations!

God will live with his people in new earth paradise, why should I be concerned bout going to heaven?

tctrills:
Where did it say these were the only ones in heaven? That's the part you added

If the bible said only these 144k can be in heaven we wouldn't be having this conversation. It was you that added that.
And hope you know that these 144k are all men. I guess your heaven is a boys club

KJV
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

First they were learning the song in heaven (mount Zion)
Second from verse two voices were heard singing a song but no other creatures in heaven could learn and sing except the 144k.

Does that mean their work na choir. Angels no de heaven wey de sing before? Of course there's meaning for only them to know the song.

Yes don't believe more or less! The Bible only mentioned the 144000 in heaven and that's what I believe. If you can't grasp that no problem.

tctrills:
You shouldn't believe more or less. You should only believe what the Bible says. That these men where with Jesus in Mount Zion singing. Every other thing is an addition.

If you believe only what the Bible says then we can't be having this argument because the bible didn't say it they are the only ones in heaven or not. The Bible did nothe even suggest it in any way.

tctrills:
We don't conclude. We wait for God to reveal. Your conclusion's are wrong.
The 144000 will rule with Christ but wouldn't be the only ones in heaven.
Heaven is not decided by a number but by our actions on earth.
The Bible teach that these 144k would be with Christ and sing as a choir. It never says they are the only ones to be in heaven. Unless you have another verse to show me

Revelation 14:3
[3]This great choir sang a wonderful new song in front of the throne of God and before the four living beings and the twenty-four elders. No one could learn this song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

I don't why i joined this discussion in the first place. Or is it your KJV that's making it hard for you to understand?

They weren't choirs bro shine your eyes and read well!

You snow philosophy is quite different from what we are arguing on.
If the 144k are only the people God revealed to be in heaven to John, why should I believe more or less? Don't you know revelation contains prophecies of what will happen in the future? It's clearly the Bible's doctrine but can chose to believe whatever you want.
I'm not acting on what i don't know but on what is revealed

tctrills:
So if no verse says only 144k would be in heaven and no verse says more or less would be in heaven. Don't let us act for God. Wait for his revelation before creating your doctrine. Just because no verse says snow does not fall in heaven, I can't start teaching that snow falls in heaven

Lol I'm following the bible doctrine. You have no verses to counter that there are other people in heaven aside the 144k

tctrills:
I understand you must follow your doctrine but I put God's Word above every doctrine.
I understand that both heaven and earth earth would be ruled by God and his people. But at no time did the bible reveal that any particular number would go to heaven or thathe those on earth wouldn't be able to go to heaven.
Those are all man made teachings, not from the Bible. I respect your opinion and doctrine but you should be honest, these teachings are not from the bible

First you have to realize that "making heaven" is not a Bible word. Jesus emphasized on "inheriting the kingdom". Since the revelation is a prophecy of what will happen in the future, we could conclude that the 144k are the people redeemed from the world to be made kings in God's kingdom established in heaven. This is not a personal opinion but what the Bible teaches.
The disciples of Jesus on earth, were they just followers, weren't they working with him?
The 144000 are humans ruling together with Christ.

Which other people did the bible say will be in the kingdom or "make heaven"?

tctrills:
I agree with most of what you say the only difference is the bible never state that these 144000 would be the only ones to make heaven. It's your personal opinion not back by scripture. Now where in the bible was a number set for those that would make heaven.
We learn from revelations 14 that these 144k were chosen to be Christ entourage and chior. Not that they would be the only ones to make heaven.
They would be with Christ on mount Zion when Christ comes to rule over the earth

If you still don't know what God's kingdom will do or its purpose, you still have a lot of study to do. They will rule the earth. They are made as priests to God. They will rule and judge the world together with Jesus when the kingdom comes to earth. The kingdom will destroy anything evil from the earth. Daniel 2:44.
They are other verses go and study.

The TRUTH and fact is those that are made kings and priests to be part of God's kingdom are the 144000 chosen from saints all over the world.
So it's possible that some would go to heaven but won't be part of the established kingdom, but i don't think so.
What you should have in mind is that earth was created to be and is the everlasting home of man and other earthly creatures.
Do you really understand that bolded phrase?
The 144000 are not the only righteous people or saints or christians that has ever lived on earth, but they were/are chosen according to God's will. It could be anyone.
So from the beginning of the argument, what makes you think they are other people in God's kingdom?

tctrills:
Well at least now, we have a common ground.
We can continue from here.
And yes I agree we are told about this 144k that would follow Jesus wherever he goes for a purpose only that it is not given to me or you to decide the purpose.
When you start the trinity thread, let me know.

Do you know that when Jesus the King comes back, he will be kind of dethroned? Lol. I mean after completing his mission on earth he will later hand over everything back to God the Father and God will be supreme over all including Jesus cos he will subjected to Him.

Dtruthspeaker:
We have dealt with all these before but right now is it important?

No! For All the Greats and Hosts of Heaven are in their respective places AND THEY ARE NOT THREATENED BY THE JUDGEMENT OF THE COMING KING.

BUT WE ARE!

SO YOU OUGHT TO BE CONCENTRATING ON BEING FOUND INNOCENT ON JUDGEMENT DAY RATHER STIRRING UP ARGUMENTS WHICH HAVE NO BEARING ON JUDGMENT DAY!

Did you read my post at all?

neuf:
God is not a mystery.

Even without referencing the Bible. Take a walk either in the early morning or early evening in the countryside, go for hiking, the beautiful sceneries that will behold you. The perfect timing of the mechanism of the earth.
It doesn't matter how hard you are as a person, if you ever seen the sun rises or sets on a beach (the romance of the sun rays on the water) will make you fall in love instantly..

All these scenarios can only point to a careful crafted design by someone which in this case is a Supreme being.

You can talk about the big bang but the more you deep into that theory, you would be surprised that such a flawed theory is still being held as the standard.

Maybe you don't understand that worshiping God in TRUTH and spirit is important like Jesus taught. Our worship should be to the only true almighty God YHWH.
John 17:3
[3]And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.
Worshiping three Gods is not pure worship. And knowing the only true God and his son the messiah is essential to have eternal life.
Preaching to truth is part of worship.
You can say whatever you like, it doesn't stop me from saying God's Truth. The Trinity is false doctrine.
Worship only God! His name is Jehovah!

Dtruthspeaker:
We have dealt with all these before but right now is it important?

No! For All the Greats and Hosts of Heaven are in their respective places AND THEY ARE NOT THREATENED BY THE JUDGEMENT OF THE COMING KING.

BUT WE ARE!

SO YOU OUGHT TO BE CONCENTRATING ON BEING FOUND INNOCENT ON JUDGEMENT DAY RATHER STIRRING UP ARGUMENTS WHICH HAVE NO BEARING ON JUDGMENT DAY!

Important note!
Pls ensure to make your responses short and precise. Referencing the bible is very essential. No insult on personal level or religion is allowed pls. Let's try to portray Christ in our character and how we interact with others. Don't try to force your opinions on others, it's an open discussion. When proving your point, asking questions is better than making assertions.

Since when i was in my early teens, i have been finding it hard to comprehend and believe the Trinity. I'm often told that I need to believe God as mystery. So i wonder, how can I know or walk with a mystery God?
I also wonder if the the disciples and the early church understand God as three persons in one God or one God in three persons or just one singular God, a person?

John 14:17,26
[17]He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth.......
[26]But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative—that is, the Holy Spirit—he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.

The question here is if the holy spirit taught the apostles and first believers everything and led them into all truth, why are we still left to believe God as mystery?
Another question is those that established the Trinity doctrine years later after the early christians, were they led by the holy spirit?

"Trinitarians believe that the one God eternally exists in three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and that these three are one God, co-equal and co-eternal, having precisely the same nature and attributes, and worthy of precisely the same worship, confidence, and obedience".

Now this thread will focus mainly on the "COEQUALNESS" of the Trinity members. Other qualities will be discussed in my subsequent thread.
Is the Father greater than the son?
Are YHWH and Jesus really coequal?

John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.
1 Corinthians 11:3
[3]But there is one thing I want you to know: The head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Guy you don't know what future tense is? Those are prophecies about Christ.
It happened hundred of years later.

tctrills:
This is what Isaiah knew about Jesus Christ. How is it different from what you know.
53 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

So God sent Satan to make man fall?

tctrills:
Do you mean God sent Satan to tempt Christ? And God sent the serpent to tempt Adam? Please I am at your feet teach me more. I am enjoying this

Where did he say that, i would like to know? I like learning knew things.

Rosement:
Jesus said He was known and referenced. Are you trying to accuse Jesus of blaspheming like the pharisees always did?

What's your point here, gimme verse that says someone knew and worshipped Jesus before he was born?

tctrills:
Is that what the bible said or is it your opinion? The wise men that worshiped Jesus clearly knew something. Simeon that blessed baby Jesus knew something
Acts 10:43 : "All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name