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Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 4:02am
You and the other inches guy don't even know the meaning of the sola Scriptura that you generous mention at every turn hence the reason for the abuse of it meaning. Sole relevance on the written word simply means that whatever it is your church says is it doctrine must have been commanded by the same written word or commended by it.


If you cannot find justification for your doctrine from God word it has no God in it and the Holy Spirit will never flow or manifest God through it. You cant go beyond the written word as still claim to be of God.

Here is Paul affirming the SOLA SCRIPTURA: 1 Corinthians 4:6, Paul says, "Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us you might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; that no one of you be puffed up for the one against the other

In Catholic public domain Bible

6 And so, brothers, I have presented these things in myself and in Apollo, for your sakes, so that you may learn, through us, that no one should be inflated against one person and for another, not beyond what has been written. (CPDV, 1 Corinthians 4:6)


New Jerusalem Bible ...Catholic recommended Bible

6 I have applied all this to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that you can learn how the saying, 'Nothing beyond what is written' is true of us: no individual among you must become filled with his own importance and make comparisons, to another's detriment. (NJB, 1 Corinthians 4:6)


Douay Rheims ... Acclaimed word for word translation of the Bible


6 But these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollo, for your sakes; that in us you may learn, that one be not puffed up against the other for another, above that which is written. (DRB, 1 Corinthians 4:6)


Ubenedictus:
it is the same issue, while we are all saints, the Catholic Church uses the title saint which means holy one in a special way to refer to those, whose holiness is now assured with God in heaven, for whom it is now impossible to fall, aka glorification
it isn't a new topic, you imagine that the Saints are those justified, I agree, I simply add that those glorified have a higher claim to the title, since they are most certainly The "holy ones".

If you are expecting me to use the Bible as my only authority then sorry, I won't because the bible tells me the church itself is an authority, so too is Apostolic tradition, I will not disobey scriptures to follow the heresy called sola scriptura.


I have never claimed to be a rev Fr. So stop insinuating that I am.
Education / Re: Covenant University Suspended Student For Drinking Coke With Two Straws by Nodogragra4me(m): 7:06am On Apr 23
Are you the spokesperson for the original account he mentioned?


Dami12345:


You really don't understand scacasm.
Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 9:21pm On Apr 22
Mr Since I asked the Holy for answer and he gave it to me I have had this burden on my spirit even when I went out to have some nice time with a friend since my family is not around..... He says to tell you that the first question you will be asked on your judgment day will be about this encounter with me.

I have to release this... It has been a burden since morning...nothing I did could clear this from my spirit



9inches:


@highlighted, Blatant falsehood!

1 Timothy 3:15 "...each one must conduct himself in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

According to the bible, the Church (not the bible) is the pillar and foundation of truth. The Church, not the bible, has the authority to teach the absolute truth. So, if you're not clear about any verse in the bible, ask the Church for clarification because the bible came out of the Church. Christ commissioned the Church, the Church commissioned the the bible.
Religion / Re: Apostle Johnson Suleman Private Jet Photos by Nodogragra4me(m): 9:06pm On Apr 22
His ministry doesn't deserve a privately owned jet. This is nothing but a burden on his ministry.



Amuocha:
Buy or lease?
FG plans to tax luxury goods in 2019 - News..
Oya FIRS, EFCC do your thing grin
Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 1:06pm On Apr 22
9inches:


@highlighted, Blatant falsehood!

1 Timothy 3:15 "...each one must conduct himself in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

According to the bible, the Church (not the bible) is the pillar and foundation of truth. The Church, not the bible, has the authority to teach the absolute truth. So, if you're not clear about any verse in the bible, ask the Church for clarification because the bible came out of the Church. Christ commissioned the Church, the Church commissioned the the bible.

Try as much as you may want to, you and your pope will never make God or his word a lie. Having sacked the Holy Spirit from the catholic church and replaced him with great thinkers, you will only get the result that is of the world for the enthronment of religion.


MAY GOD FORGIVE YOU. I should ask the pope and his gang about any truth and not the Holy Spirit, who is the actual teacher of the truth and not truth but THE TRUTH.

THE WORD OF GOD...the Bible...CAME OUT OF THE Church (ASSEMBLY) that was first ignorant of the same word... May your eyes of understanding be opened in Jesus name.

I asked the Holy Spirit what I was to write while I opened this page and here is his answer: He says to tell you that it is line on line... One explains the other to a novice Christian under apprenticeship. Here


15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, ...... He went on to say that the next statement only explained in detail this first state...... House of God


which is the church of the living God, ....and the last actually explain the LIVING GOD in the second


the pillar and ground of the truth. (AV, 1 Timothy 3:15)


I swear to God that I added the Bible verse from Eph 2:20... The spirit never gave it to me or rather never ask me to add it .


20 And are built [26] upon the foundation of the [1] apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the [2] chief corner stone; (AV, Ephesians 2:20)

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Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 6:39pm On Apr 21
Mr, Saint is a title for God's people while they are here ... You don't want me to flood this thread with all scripture where the word is found. Everyone that calls the name of the Lord is saved and is a saint. Whosoever believeth is a saint .. stop adding to the Scripture. Any Christian is a full saint not partial saint and is to be called same without any official Decoration


Ubenedictus:
it is the same issue, while we are all saints, the Catholic Church uses the title saint which means holy one in a special way to refer to those, whose holiness is now assured with God in heaven, for whom it is now impossible to fall, aka glorification
it isn't a new topic, you imagine that the Saints are those justified, I agree, I simply add that those glorified have a higher claim to the title, since they are most certainly The "holy ones".

If you are expecting me to use the Bible as my only authority then sorry, I won't because the bible tells me the church itself is an authority, so too is Apostolic tradition, I will not disobey scriptures to follow the heresy called sola scriptura.


I have never claimed to be a rev Fr. So stop insinuating that I am.

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Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 6:38pm On Apr 21
Mr. Saint is a title for God's people while they are here ... You don't want me to flood this thread with all scripture where the word is found. Everyone that calls the name of the Lord is saved and is a saint. Whosoever believeth is a saint .. stop adding to the Scripture. Any Christian is a full saint not partial saint and is to be called same without any official Decoration


Ubenedictus:
it is the same issue, while we are all saints, the Catholic Church uses the title saint which means holy one in a special way to refer to those, whose holiness is now assured with God in heaven, for whom it is now impossible to fall, aka glorification
it isn't a new topic, you imagine that the Saints are those justified, I agree, I simply add that those glorified have a higher claim to the title, since they are most certainly The "holy ones".

If you are expecting me to use the Bible as my only authority then sorry, I won't because the bible tells me the church itself is an authority, so too is Apostolic tradition, I will not disobey scriptures to follow the heresy called sola scriptura.


I have never claimed to be a rev Fr. So stop insinuating that I am.
Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 6:31pm On Apr 21
You have used this sola scriptura too often without knowing the meaning ... Bible or scripture alone doesn't mean you are not to read a book outside the Bible ... What it means is that whatever is being expounded must have scriptura backing for even Jesus the Christ didn't justify any statement about his authority without a reference to the Scripture hence the many occasions he had to preface his statement with : It stands written or Have you not read.


Matt 4:4-10)
Mark 7:13)
John 10:34


Here is Paul affirming the SOLA SCRIPTURA: 1 Corinthians 4:6, Paul says, "Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us you might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; that no one of you be puffed up for the one against the other

In Catholic public domain Bible

6 And so, brothers, I have presented these things in myself and in Apollo, for your sakes, so that you may learn, through us, that no one should be inflated against one person and for another, not beyond what has been written. (CPDV, 1 Corinthians 4:6)


New Jerusalem Bible ...Catholic recommended Bible

6 I have applied all this to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that you can learn how the saying, 'Nothing beyond what is written' is true of us: no individual among you must become filled with his own importance and make comparisons, to another's detriment. (NJB, 1 Corinthians 4:6)


Douay Rheims ... Acclaimed word for word translation of the Bible


6 But these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollo, for your sakes; that in us you may learn, that one be not puffed up against the other for another, above that which is written. (DRB, 1 Corinthians 4:6)



9inches:
But the bible is ancient. And why would you read any other book outside the bible when you are a "bible alone" christian? Isn't that hypocritical?

1 Corinthians 11:2 "You are to imitate me, just as I imitate Christ. Now I commend you for remembering me in everything and for maintaining the traditions, just as I passed them on to you."

The traditions which Paul and the apostles delivered to the church were not the traditions of men, rather they were the doctrines which were inspired of God. Neither Paul nor any of the other apostles ever instructed people in person or through their letters to follow vain traditions of men, but rather they were to follow the commands and precepts as given to them from God.
The pastor in the video dug deeper into Christianity and discovered there's more to it than the bible. It is the job of every pastor/teacher to properly hand down to those in his ministry the Biblical traditions of sound doctrine, godly living and conduct, and sound practice in the church.
Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 6:15pm On Apr 21
9inches:
I don't think you know the Holy Spirit although you seem to be claiming it up and down. How many of the over 33,000 denominations claim what you claim - Holy Spirit? Meanwhile, evidence from the bible itself refutes all your claims.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 "Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter."

1 Corinthians 11:2 "You are to imitate me, just as I imitate Christ. Now I commend you for remembering me in everything and for maintaining the traditions, just as I passed them on to you."

2 Thessalonians 3:6 "Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from any brother who leads an undisciplined life that is not in keeping with the tradition you received from us."

Matthew 16:18-19 "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

1 Timothy 3:15 "...each one must conduct himself in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

According to the bible, the Church (not the bible) is the pillar and foundation of truth.



I don't think you know the Holy Spirit although you seem to be claiming it up and down. How many of the over 33,000 denominations claim what you claim - Holy Spirit? Meanwhile, evidence from the bible itself refutes all your claims.




Answer: I am not claiming to know neither are those your so called 33,000 denominations claiming anything. They, just like myself knows we know we carry the very presence of the teacher, The Holy Spirit. I never claimed I know the Holy Spirit. It is not something I have to keep under wrap for it would not be scriptural to do. Jesus regularly called attention to what he carried without apologise. You have to announce what you carry on the behalf of heaven.

Your Scripture passages: I have mentioned here before that knowing the scripture is not a function of the human intellect. It takes humility for the spirit to reveal what is actually in plain sight to anyone. You can have a PhD in philosophy and theology and still not see anything from the scripture. It is seeing that makes the difference. Habbakuku says ... I will stand my watch and see what the Lord will say to me....not hear but see what the Lord will say ...say not present to...when you get to the level of seeing what somebody is saying you got another spirit of conviction beyond the intellect working through you


If you had cared for guidance you would have noticed that the book of Thessalonians you cited in support of the extra biblical practices of the Catholic church never supported what you purport it had supported. ….. ”whether by speech or by letter."
the information here simply tells you that both the written letter and their speech were one and the same. Whether the one they gave as letter or speech carried the same message.

Your second Scripture: You are to imitate me just as I have imitated Christ. What is the custom and tradition of Christ? Simple! It is written ...have ye not read? ... what saith the scripture? See: And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he…. Jesus?.... expounded(means to explain the written word) unto them in all the SCRIPTURES the things concerning himself. (AV, Luke 24:27)

Your third scripture : keep away from men like the pope who live an undisciplined life and same that is without scripture backings … What is biblical discipline? According to my pastors definition, it is simply the disciple's lifestyle. Paul said more than once "what saith the scripture?" when proving his doctrinal points. That is the tradition he was talking about.. The tradition of validating every word from the scripture like they learnt from Jesus, himself.

The tradition of the apostles was to ALWAYS show by the scripture that Christ was the LORD. God's tradition as practiced by Jesus and the apostles had support from the scripture. It never existed as an extraordinary additions to it. Acts 17:1-2 —In Thessalonica, Paul, “as his CUSTOM was,” went to the synagogue “and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures.”

There is no other way of checking the propagation of error but by the written word. The scripture is the only available tool backed by heaven for guiding against error within the body of Christians. You would readily agree with me that the only way for detecting error is by comparison against a known tried and perfect standard which is the Bible for one tradition can not be a standard for another. Example is your referring me to some ancient members of your church in trying to prove your point. The Scripture says the bereans search daily In the books of Acts 17:11 to see whether the word they receive had scriptural backing.


When paul warned us about the consequences of being wise in our own eyes because he already saw this consequence from the written word: 1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is WRITTEN, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness

Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.




Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Angels in heaven comes tommen and only repeat the written word but a flesh and blood somewhere in his wisdom crafts something outside the scripture and you call it the tradition. Here: Daniel 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth.

Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. 8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: (Angel telling John not to bow before him but your church says you should kneel before your Mary statue in prayer and still claim not to worship her) for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book…. The BOOK…. THE WRITTEN WORD: worship God



Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Therefore when you harp on TRADITION AND THE APOSTLES, I assure you that whatever was the custom or tradition amongst them was and is still in the scripture

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Religion / Re: How Does A Born Again Christian Hear GOD About The Right Spouse? by Nodogragra4me(m): 11:50am On Apr 21
There is nothing hard or foreign and local about the application if the scripture. God is not responsible for the finding. It is your Firdt task on your way to becoming a man.

You find, not the pastor, or your parents or prophet, you find the woman and then communicate your choice to God in prayer asking him as the all knowing if this person will complete you as a help mate to make your life better.

His response doesn't take ages... You will begin to see or her his response as soon as you tune in.



Melchizzedek:
I'm really bordered about this subject matter. Is it that it is only in this part of the world that this type of thing is practiced? Do white christians also do these? I read in the Bible that one who finds a wife as found a good thing. Is it that to find a wife you must ask from God even if the fellow u intend to marry is a born again christian? How can someone hear from GOD that the fellow u intend to marry is your true spouse?

Pastors in the house, please help me do justice to this questions!
Celebrities / Re: Cyril Stober Retires From NTA by Nodogragra4me(m): 11:40am On Apr 21
Nta does commercials which the bbc is forbidden from doing.


tactius:


BBC is a good station.

BBC is also funded heavily by something called TV license fees. It costs 140 pounds a year.

It earns the BBC billions of pounds which it invests in quality program

If we bring that to Nigeria, you Nigerians would be shouting about how poor we are.

Okay
Celebrities / Re: Cyril Stober Retires From NTA by Nodogragra4me(m): 11:38am On Apr 21
10k or 1k?


tactius:


BBC is well funded with TV licensing fees of 140 pounds a year, paid by every resident of the UK with a television. Including non citizens.

If you want NTA to have modern cameras, then get your senators to pass a TV license bill.

If we all. Pay 10000 naira, NTA could be well. Funded to be better
Celebrities / Re: Cyril Stober Retires From NTA by Nodogragra4me(m): 11:37am On Apr 21
Isn't mitv worse than nta?


grayht:
FG should sell NTA to MITV..
Imagine watching NTA on a 4K Tv undecided



.. and that was how one of there camera men crew came to cover an exhibition "buildexpo" at landmark events centre with a nikon d90.

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Politics / Re: Yakubu Dogara's Easter Message Sets Twitter On Fire by Nodogragra4me(m): 7:25pm On Apr 19
Pay no mind to twitter... He is a Christian and a Winners

mikejj:
exactly what is running through my mind right now...
Crime / Re: SARS Officer Kills Another Man In Lagos As Thug Breaks Bottle On His Head by Nodogragra4me(m): 10:49am On Apr 19
This SARS thing is beginning to seem like cults using their men in service to settle scores. The unit called anti cult is made of largely of cultist in uniform and most are southerners. The south will really have a hard time setting up a state police of their own with the cult menace


Zenithsblog:
A yet to be identified young man, yesterday was killed by a trigger happy SARS operative in Lagos.

The officer on trying to escape, got mobbed by some angry youths in the area, that brutalized him and used bottle to design his head.

The SARS officer was almost lynched before an intervention came and he's handed over to the authorities.

Watch the video
https://zenithnaija.com/police-officer-flogged-with-bottle-for-killing-another-young-man-in-lagos/

Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 10:45am On Apr 19
Good to learn that you are two different characters who both are all the same reading the same book and arguing the same issue exactly the same way..

Trying to make atheists Christians, I will gladly join you but making them Catholics. I won't.. I have been one myself




Ubenedictus:
I am not 9inces, I only have one handle on nairaland, 9inces is a friend and a brother in the faith, we gist and share sometimes in the Catholicism thread, apart from that, I do not know him... His post is a bit philosophical and he engages atheist, mine hardly address such things and I hardly take on atheists in their arguments.


We are 2different people, though I consider it a honor that you think I am he, it means the faith we share is truly powerful
Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 10:39am On Apr 19
You have left saint issue to jump to glorification. Is that how you were trained into reverend father. I expect you to show me from the scripture that your church is right to confer sainthood as a special title but you have left that to move into another arena.

You can't stay focused on a single subject matter and conclude it conclusively.


Ubenedictus:
guess you are still a child In Christianity and you are ignorant that entering heaven aka glorification completes the justification process,

Oya complete this passage,

Those who he called he.....
Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 9:01am On Apr 19
There is no completion of sainthood ... a saint is a saint while alive ...a saint is a follower called and justified once. When he or she does he returns as a spirit back to heaven ... there is no special long process that ends with the conferment of the title of Saint. It is not a church special title for some select few. It is God general name for his people while they live in flesh and blood


That your church procedures are not known to the scripture and therefore has no backing from heaven... It is religion of man and I am sure this iron bed man hopes to be one someday by reason of his iron bed and stone pillow practice

I will be shocked if few years from nos that metal contraption doesn't attract a special breed of followers who would go on a prim and to the bedside to pray


Ubenedictus:
all who have been justified by faith in Christ Jesus in baptism are addressed as saints in scriptures, physical death doesn't end it, instead it completes it.
Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 8:51am On Apr 19
You have exhausted yourself as nine inches and returned to Ubenedictus. I don’t have time again for your engagement on this thread but we will meet again on related issues


Ubenedictus:
fasting itself is mortification, get out of ignorance
Celebrities / Re: Small Doctor: My Landlady Locked My Friends Who Visited Me In Agege by Nodogragra4me(m): 8:50pm On Apr 18
Don Jazzy family was also thrown out by their landlady.

lonelydora:
That landlady of yours was angry you were not responding to her "greenlights" or that of her sister.

In Ikwerre land, part of the 'unwritten' tenancy agreement is that you MUST friend the landlord's daughter. You are required to choose among the daughters the one you like. You are banned from bringing in any girl into the compound.

If you flaunt the rule, you will be locked out by 7pm and your house rent increased.


Folks, to avoid problems with landlady or landlord, pay your rent as at when due.
Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 10:32am On Apr 18
Please be patient with him. The anoint on you is to preach deliverance... Jesus said the anointing is upon me to PREACH DELIVERANCE TO THE CAPTIVE. HE IS A CAPTIVE OF THE DOCTRINE OF MEN. I AM not having fun coming back and back here but I have to and to be honest with you some of the statement or replies I have given him, I have never thought of or read anywhere... As I am replying I am getting them


You are moulding yourself up in the word as your reply. The first time the holy spirit woke me and ask me to open the book of acts..it was because of argument about Mary... I never in my life saw that it read about it anywhere.. But he shows me and said that is their Mary...you cant be equipped unless you are on the job and willing to forbear


So best with him.


tranxo:


Smh.

When you hear the word Church, what comes to your mind?

Denomination? Church building? The body (fellowship, brethren) of Christ?

Jesus established the Church of Christ. Simple!!! He is the Head and Foundation of Christianity. Jesus did not establish the Roman Catholic Church, or Anglican Church, or Methodist Church, or Apostolic Church. He established the Christian church. Just make sure that the practices of your denomination conforms to the practices and tenets of the Christian Church. Is that too hard to believe.

You said the Bible is not complete, and is not the only way. I laugh.

Jesus is the (only) Way, the (only) Truth, and the (only) Life. Is Jesus in the Bible? If yes, that then makes the Bible COMPLETE, and the only guide any GENUINE Christian ought to follow, with the help of the Holy Spirit of course.

Please don't mention me again. You are in a VERY dark place.
Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 10:08am On Apr 18
Paul himself didn't meet with Christ but was a very capable hand in spreading the gospel because the TEACHER , the Holy Spirit, rested on him like it was in the other Apostles. You can only know God via the Holy Spirit who does the teaching after you have accepted Christ .. Peter said , they should accept Christ and be baptized so they can receive the free gift of the holy Spirit. .. you don't pay for the holy spirit through through prayer and fasting ... It is a gift to the willing hearted While replying you earlier I made mentioned of the new testament being letters to the new church on direction , correction and diaries of the Apostles
The entire old testament was available. Jesus expounded unto them all that was written concerning by ALL the prophets ...both major and minor ...from the scripture.


If you pack the old testament and bind it together using a stapler with the letters personally written by the apostles and their diaries or records of the gospel while Jesus was alive , would that make your the author of those materials? If the Catholic church wrote the Bible we would not be going back and forth on Mary because they would have expressly written Jesus Christ into minor position and given Mary the centre page


The only way to preach the Bible is through the Spirit of God ... No other way. Bible college and seminaries will never deliver the spirit . It is personal encounter through personal search that does it.


They would know because the writings of Paul was already a reference material to all churches. Even if he,Timothy didn't make make to them they know what was the practice. You as a Catholic don't need your pope to conduct a mass , it is already a system you can go through ..even if the priest suddenly dies , many are there amongst the crowd of worshippers who can go through with the mass ...they already know how to conduct themselves in the house. The church are the saints ... They contain no truth unless as revealed by the Holy Spirit and the holy spirit has never contradicted the written word ...he speaks only the from the written word ..... Because it is the only weapon he has for doing his work ... Your personal opinion doesn't count before God ... It is his word that he promised would not fall to the ground not your opinion of his word


If you go through the entire old testament you will never meet any prophesy about Peter. Much more one that is fundamental like the establishment of God reign on the earth. Peter wasn't who Jesus Christ was addressing as the rock but the answer that Peter gave when he asked the disciples who they thought he was. It is that answer that is the piece of rock upon which every church desirous of exploit and heavens protection must be founded on.... Thou art the Christ...the saviour...if the church is founded on the saviour he will save her from every world interference

What was given to the apostles and by extension us is the keys?... I will give you the keys..... A house don't keep the key that opens it... It is with the operators of the house... He cant build the house on Peter and hand him the keys....no no.. Tell, the pope that is not possible.....not one but keys...hope you noticed it.... The keys are the secrets to the power sources of heaven...how to unlock them for earthly exploit


I don't need to know the character you entered their names here... They are not the Holy Spirit. They are neither the teacher not the examples



9inches:
Good answer! Now, keep musing in that direction... did Timothy who never met Christ but learned from Paul and the apostles read the bible (New Testament) in order to know and preach the Gospel as the first Christian bishop of Ephesus?

You see, the church would still be propagating the gospel even if there was no written text of the gospel, but you would not have had the bible without the church. Here: 1 Timothy 3:15"if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God [not the bible], the pillar and foundation of the truth.". The bible is one of the tools with which the Church teaches. It does not contain all the truth, but the Church does.

And here's the guarantee to the Church:
1. Matthew 28:20 "...And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
2. "...And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
You see, the Church has not only the authority from the Head of the Church Himself (Ephesians 5:23) but also the guarantee that it will never fail.

See here: Ephesians 1:22 "And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church.

Do you know who these persons are? Justin Martyr, Tatian, Polycarp, Clement I, Irenaeus, Eusebius, etc. Why not go study the early Christians (Church fathers) and know how they preached the Word of God.
Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 9:34am On Apr 18
I don't read the ancient , I study the Bible and read a lot of anointed books on same. All the examples of the Christian life is properly captured in the scripture so no other example is required. Peter, Paul and John never prayed through any of the fathers of the faith even though the scripture was available and they knew those fathers like Abraham , Moses , Isaiah, Elijah and their exploits very well



9inches:
The video is self explanatory. In case you haven't watched, it's about Deacon Alex Jones Jr., a former Pentecostal preacher whose dramatic conversion in the late 1990s led dozens of his Detroit-based congregation into the Catholic Church. While reading the Church fathers in preparation for a Bible study in March 1998, he made a startling discovery: that the Church of the ancient Christians was less like the one he was leading and more like something resembling a Church he’d never expected — namely, one that was “charismatic/liturgical, hierarchical, and Eucharistic-centered.” In other words, more Catholic.

A short trailer for the whole documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHz45YjBpI0
Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 9:27am On Apr 18
Firstly, you are amongst the negligible percentage of Catholics who circumstances have forced to reluctantly agreed that Christians here on earth are actually the saints not those in heaven.


Your official CHURHC position is that it is those who have died and have received special recognition that is calibrated by your CHURHC .....or ranked.... Tansi is still at the level of Bleesed ...the has not attain full star general of a saint in your church ... Are those qualified to be called saints who are like your Mary , alternate power source to Jesus. Even those who help carry out public execution of so called heretics ended up as saints .. even this scallywag called Shekaru that runs the Boko gangs is a leaner in the acts of committing heinous crime against humanity.

Scripturally, saints is the name used to refer to God's people here on the earth when they still have flesh coverings for their spirit and soul. Anyone that is numbered by God while here on earth , as his own is a saint of God not of the Catholic church and they can pray intercessory prayer while here on the earth for humanity but ceases as soon as they die because When they die they return as spirits into heaven for God is only a Spirit but God of all flesh. Here are some examples from the scripture:


9 He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness, because no man shall prevail by his own strength. (DRC, 1 Samuel 2:9).... Feet belongs to the flesh and wicked people are not in heaven to fight with saints

15 Saying: O Lord God of heaven and earth, behold their pride, and look on our low condition, and have regard to the face of thy saints, and shew that thou forsakest not them that trust on thee, and that thou humblest them that presume of themselves, and glory in their own


strength. (DRC, Judith 6:15)


5 For we are the children of saints, and we must not be joined together like heathens that know not God. (DRC, Tobit 8:5)..their fathers were God disciples

1 Unto the end; for the octave, a psalm for David: Save me, O Lord, for there is now no saint: truths are decayed from among the children of men. (DRC, Psalms 12:1)


24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. (DRC, Revelation 18:24)


12 Here is the patience of the saints, who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (DRC, Revelation 14:12)


4 And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel. (DRC, Revelation 8:4)



Is Jesus Christ dead? This Mumu question ought to be directed at your pope. To have your Mary answer your prayers whether at the same or respectively, she needs to be omnipresent. It is possible that your early pope's believe Jesus died kpatata on the cross hence Mary ascendency to the office of intercessory with a retinue of aides called saints to help her with the task ... Saint ubenedictus , pray for the pope to receive sense


9inches:
What an avid heretics you are! Where in your bible did you see 'living and dead saints'? You are failing your own rule of bible-alone. Why attribute to the bible what it did not say if not for ignorance?

Just to clear your ignorance, in the Christian sense, saints don't die, they go to LIVE with God.

Question for you: Is Jesus Christ dead?
Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 9:17pm On Apr 16
Jesus expounding from ALL scripture all that was written concerning Jim by ALL THE PROPHETS means the entire old statement availability is no longer in doubt.
Lfor the new testament, it is obvious or ought to be clear to you that the actual actors were still very much around .., they didn't need scripture to tell the Corinth about Jesus ... They were the first hand witness of everything in the gospels ...when Christianity spread behind Jerusalem, Paul , Peter and John and the rest had to start sorting to correct errors and fiber directions ...this makes up very large part of the new testament.


The first four books of the gospels are more like personal diaries or records of each of those apostles.... Matthew, mark, John ,Luke


9inches:
Bible means both Old and New Testament, Mr. Man. Which bible, especially the again.

Did the Galatians read letter sent to the Corinthians? Did the Philippians read letter sent to the Romans, and so on..? What gospel did Stephen read while he was preaching?

Good luck.
Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 9:10pm On Apr 16
If you have any sense in you head you would have used it to interpreted what your YouTube video is about here on nairaland. I am not the only person interested in this our back and forth .. you can see that somebody is liking the contribution.. he or she is learning something or agreeing with contributions


9inches:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxDumU0TSrY

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Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 9:01pm On Apr 16
Re read all the scriptures you cited but very slowly.

The first book you cited says it was full of the prayers of the SAINTS... living people ... THEIR prayers... NOT THE ONE DONE BY A DEMON MARY on a world TOUR of your CHURHC BUT THE ACTUAL PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS ... LIVING CHRISTISNS ... HERE ON EARTH ... It IS THE PRAYERS of THE PEOPLE On THE EARTH


The second verse you cited says the angel was GIVEN... IT IS THE PROTOCOL THAT HE WAS OBSERVING.... IT IS NOT HIS CHOICE ... HE WAS GIVEN .... THEY ARE telling you now prayers are mixed for result ... He was GIVEN to mix with THE PRAYERS OF LIVING PEOPLE CALLED THE SAINTS ...NOT DEAD VAGABONDS acting on a pope instructions hoping to avoid purgatory. The PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS ...MOT THE PRAYES OF THE ANGELS BUT THE SAINTS PRAYED already to Jesus ... Compiled prayer being prepared for answers .... The prayer of a righteous man availeth much... Righteousness is actually believing or having faith... Abraham believed God and it was counted for him for righteousness..... Righteousness is accepting that nothing in you but just believing Jesus Christ and accepting the righteousness he freely offers you that makes you righteous .. you can't earn your righteousness otherwise Jesus would have not died for you


Your third verse: you can never know the mind of God with the intellect. It is the work of the holy spirit . Angels are ministering spirits not intercessory spirits. They minster results..,answers ... Remeber the angels and Daniel and the Persian prince .... The spiritual need of every child is met, supernaturally, by God because they know nothing. Until they come of age their nesds are met by their creator ..they are nothing but spiritual soldiers without any form of training ... Their lives depends on their angels until they come of age and are able soldiers through, first, baptsim ....john said he didn't know who the saviour was but he went back to Jerusalem baptising in the name of the father so he can announce him to the world ... baptsim announces you to the world that you have made your choice.
Jesus was more than capable at the age of 12 but waited until 30 because baptism is your intiation into the Christian journey. He wanted to demonstrate it that it was not for babies

If you use babies for rituals or offend them, it is their angels that prays before God on their behalf until they are of age ....1 Peter 2:2 says desire the sincere milk of the word so you can grow therefore .... The same scripture says if a child remains a child he is no more than the slave in the house


A child is born but a son is given .. government...that is responsibility is on the shoulders of sons not child or children of God but sons of God.. You grow into sonship by understanding. It is not automatic in this kingdom of God ... It is through the desire of the word of God


The holy spirit has never told me that he established a church anywhere ...what I have been able to see is that Jesus gave the great commission to every born again Christian to go and make disciples of very nation and Paul did his utmost best using the means availabe to him. What he says to one he says to all ....




9inches:
I'm not sure I should be arguing Scripture with someone who doesn't understand it.

Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In the book of Revelation, John sees that “the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints” (Rev. 5:8 ). Thus the saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.

Angels do the same thing: “[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with [b]the prayers of all the saints u[/b]pon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God” (Rev. 8:3–4).

Jesus himself warned us not to offend small children, because their guardian angels have guaranteed intercessory access to the Father: “See that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven” (Matt. 18:10).

Because he is the only God-man and the Mediator of the New Covenant, Jesus is the only mediator between man and God (1 Tim. 2:5), but this in no way means we cannot or should not ask our fellow Christians to pray with us and for us (1 Tim. 2:1–4). In particular, we should ask the intercession of those Christians in heaven, who have already had their sanctification completed, for “[t]he prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects” (Jas. 5:16).

What's the name of the church you said Jesus established and in which country? Please remind me.

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Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 6:45am On Apr 16
Your first question was how ordinary Christians were able to get the bible to read and I replied by stating eleven scriptures supporting the fact that the scriptures were available to the ordinary people from the Breans in Greece down to the Jews of Jerusalem. I based my evidence on what was written right inside the same bible ... Here is your question:


How were ordinary christians able to get the bible if you claim they did read it? Are you falsely claiming the Torah was available for every Jew to read in the old testament times?

So I guess after writing the letters he made multiple copies of it so that each person was able to read at home... right? When Paul and other apostles were going around from place to place preaching the gospel, WHICH BIBLE WERE THEY USING
?


I am never going to be wearied by your antics ... I know for sure that you are one and the same Ubenedictus.

Here: All of the Scriptures were even available to the faraway Bereans north of Greece, who, as we have seen, "searched the Scriptures daily" (Acts 17:11). The same evidence is found in the fact that Timothy knew the Old Testament from early childhood (2 Timothy 3:15) and that it was taught to him not by the rabbis in the synagogue but at home by his mother and grandmother, who themselves were women of faith (2 Timothy 1:5).

To teach it at home they would have to have a copy of what they were teaching





9inches:
I wish you could address the points/questions I raised point by point so I could know exactly what you are addressing.

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Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 6:38am On Apr 16
Your church prays to a supposed Mary, a woman without capacity to be everywhere at the same to attend to every single one of you. How does she answer your request?
Mary is the go to Jesus of your church ... she has more airtime within your church prayer time than Jesus , the Holy Spirit and the almighty God. She is the alternate and trusted Jesus operating within your church


9inches:
What is the teaching of the Catholic Church about Mary? Are you referring to a Catholic teaching or just what you think the Church teaches?

It is to her patronage that you people flies to. It is her that is hailed ..hail holy queen ... It is her alone that has a litany that takes a minimum 10 minutes to recite ..where her image is in your church compound , you never have that of a mature and standing Jesus .. it is either that of a small boy or a dying man on her lap ...never a strong man

Check your church calandar , it has more activities for Mary than Jesus Christ. Go and check it


Your church is the church of Mary ..the only group or society within your church that has pray a it core when they meet everyday is block rosary and the pray is to Mary not Jesus .. Jesus is an attachment sprinkled here and there but the core is Mary. Every other group is about meeting and what to do except the charismatic group that is not even acceptable in some parishes

I am not wearied because I want you to think in your private time all I have written and tell yourself the truth against what is actually the position of the scripture on all you have been trying to defend
Crime / Re: Ebinebi Ernest: Youth Leader Killed In Edo (Graphic Photo) by Nodogragra4me(m): 9:38pm On Apr 15
What are we to do with this story now?

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Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 5:40pm On Apr 15
I am yet to send you to google for anything. I am quoting the scripture against your church record, do same . Mention just one of the heresies of the early Christians that your church teamed up with state emperors to persecute ..... just mention one thing they did that wasn’t scriptural
So that your record can be kept here on nairaland for record purposes

9inches:
You can Google the inquisition and read a lot about it. My point is that Martin Luther was excommunicated because of his heresies. He is responsible for the 33,000+ denominations of confused christians, all claiming they were inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Religion / Re: Oblate Eusebius Oguizu Is Dead: Founder Of Block Rosary Crusade In Nigeria Dies by Nodogragra4me(m): 2:10pm On Apr 15
Everyone conversant with the scripture knows the birth story of Jesus Christ. What your church did was to elevate Mary to a place she never envisaged, never asked for and never would have accepted . ..the place of alternate Jesus. And since she can't be whatever you people wants her to be , a demons has been roving round your church with an infant Jesus that never addresses you people . He always leaves the instructions to the demon to deliver to you guys


The one time he spoke, he said, listen to her ..... And what was the message, your Mary promised to be with each and every one of you people at the point of death, a classical heresy unknown to the scripture that Mary and not Jesus and not the holy spirit that Jesus promised each saint would be your company through life



9inches:

How were ordinary christians able to get the bible if you claim they did read it? Are you falsely claiming the Torah was available for every Jew to read in the old testament times?

So I guess after writing the letters he made multiple copies of it so that each person was able to read at home... right? When Paul and other apostles were going around from place to place preaching the gospel, WHICH BIBLE WERE THEY USING?

What is veneration, can you define it?

Wait! So you don't know Mary is the mother of God? Wow.

By the way, where's trinity in your bible? Sounds like man-made. undecided

I'm sure the concept of the trinity was one of those satanic doctrines formulated by the Church?

You simply are following a redacted version of Christianity started by an fallen catholic, Martin Luther.

It was actually the catholic church that helped select, compile and preserve the scriptures you claim to know today.

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