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PoliteActivist:
That's the point - it is not material things that makes for a person's happiness otherwise developed countries won't have higher suicide rates. There are many social supports she'd have had in Nigeria that are not available to her in Canada.
The weather is not a problem if you are HAPPY. Complaining about weather is just a sign of general unhapiness

Kudos. Some profound statements.
We need some material things but there's no correlation between one's possessions and happiness. Happiness can't be bought.

ThierryJay:
You stated and I quote "Experience master, did you know that more people die from heat waves each year than from cold?"

Now that statement above is a complete lie. So saying a lot of story subsequently that is irrelevant to the purported statement does not make any sense. I suggest that you swallow your mistake and move on. Progression in science is not based on the kind of irrelevant long-winded reasonings you are exhibiting here.

I looked at the edited part you added and see that you are even contradicting yourself. If studies that demonstrate that cold weather is more dangerous should be interpreted with caution simply because of possible incomplete data from tropical 3rd world countries, on what logical basis are you then asserting the opposite so confidently without any verifiable data

Thanks for your patience. You provided valid points to assist the misinformed but he keeps twisting the defence and contradicting himself.
I don't know what it takes for one to admit a simple mistake and move on. That issue is not worth debating, it's a simple fact. I only wonder the kind of "researchers" we have. His stance on environmental issues on the first post is flawed

atheistandproud:
1. Compare locally with what?

2. Get working on what? I'm sorry your highness, but what semi-conductor foundary do you own? Do you have an architecture or core license from ARM?

How many semi-conductors have Kimovil, GSM Arena, Tech centurion, MKBHD, Zach or even Fisayo or Aunty Techy has produced?

3. There are two number 3s. In the market, the consumer is king. It's his money. Manufacturers and OEM can only put out products and hope they're bought by the same consumers you're maligning.

Your grouse good sir has zero to do with this post or my person.

4. I am talking about the average American consumer and you're talking about companies. Google is at your fingertips. Check who owns the largest market shares of Smartphones in the US.

5. I do not owe you any second of time. If you want to learn, there's Google and YouTube.

To avoid a back and forth, this is my last reply to you. Good day.

Oga be patient with yourself. I don't like typing much but prefers live conversations. I'm sorry to disappoint you, you know nothing about semiconductors. It's not about knowing all the chipset companies in the world, their release dates and basic features

More ridiculous is the fact that you're pointing to youtube and google so you think the questions I was to ask you is what you can find online or even on youtube.I was to bring out designs and test your most basic knowledge of circuit analysis and electronics. Simple questions but only requires practical experience.

I had a brief stint with Altera, later bought by Intel and the few months I spent there made me realize that I knew nothing about chipsets.

That consumers say whatever they like doesn't validate their viewpoints from a technical point of view. They're only ignorant and the marketing team of product companies will continue to capitalize on that.

My present job is far related from the semiconductor industry but I still subscribe to few journals just to refresh the head.

FYI, I don't own any company, I only said a friend wanted to start a design company but couldn't get competent hands for the job. Teaching them was not an issue but when someone cannot tell an LED polarity, then where do you want him to start from, is it Q-factor or parasitic calculations?

My challenge is still open though but this time, I will pose the questions on this forum at your convenient time tomorrow. You earn $50 USD for each each correct answer to 3 questions.

atheistandproud:
1. What does the fact that Nigeria doesn't produce chipsets have to do with this post?

Even in almighty Europe, they don't produce chipsets there. All chipsets are manufactured in China.

2. You are contradicting yourself by lambasting Nigeria and Nigerians only to say that the US doesn't produce chips because they're all made in China.

3. Americans don't use Mediatek phones. It's either iPhone, Huawei or Samsung. They consider it shit as well. Is that right? No. Is it their opinion? Yes. Do they have a right to hold that opinion? Of course.

4. FFS, do you realise that even the scientists at arm don't even physically built chips anymore? The whole damn process is automated with little human input. Computer generated.

5. No where in my comparison did I even mention 5G or NFC.

Oga if you have a grouse, make your own topic and write your opinion there.

So far you have made zero sense as regard the above topic. Thank you and have a nice day

Being intelligent is good but being intelligent and proud can pose a challenge. Don't delve into a territory that you have no practical experience.

True my post wasn't just addressing your yours but went beyond the scope of what you wrote. It wasn't directed to you personally, but I thought you would be intelligent enough to understand the underlying message. Since you know so much about chipsets, I do like to learn from you and so my point 5 below. A brief summary of my message was:



1. When comparisons of any kind, we should compare locally....applicable to many you-tubers and bloggers.

2. We should reduce comparisons and get working. A friend was about starting a small project but he called it off at the interviewing stage. Don't ask me why?

3. Yes, speaking from consumers standpoint, the consumer is right and can ignorantly condemn what s/he knows nothing about. I've came across hundreds of Engineers in the semiconductor Industry and no single one of them would even condemn a competing product.

3. I try to look for reasons and solutions technically. Maybe my grouse is because I has a brief stint indirectly with mediatek

4. Don't say things you don't know about America please and specifically with regards to chipsets. Just so you know many American companies are partners and order mediatek chipsets, unfortunately I will not say more than that.

5. I like discussions about chipsets and prefer live discussions, I'll like to learn from you and so would give you the honour of selecting any modern chipset for a live stream discussion and all discussions would be limited to that chipset. I will only ask you 4 questions and you can use the entire www as your reference. When you pick a date I'll give out 2 questions as an expo.

Thank you sir.

atheistandproud:
This topic is one that has caused a lot of debate. Not just here on Nairaland but on Facebook as well and on other platforms. I remember quite vividly in 2019, when Xiaomi (trailblazers and risk takers) offered to use the Helio G90T and promised great things from this chipset.

A lot of us tech people were skeptical. Like the Israelites, we asked "can anything good come out of Nazareth?" Well yes, actually. Something good did come out of Mediatek. Xiaomi pulled out all the stops to support Mediatek, even going as far as to obtain the source codes and publishing it to developers, adding a cooling system to the phone as well as other measures. Had it failed, both Xiaomi and Mediatek would be staring down a huge loss of revenue and investment. It turns out that it didn't. Instead, it was a huge success and has gone a long way to rebuilding confidence in the Mediatek brand name.

The 720G on the other hand is Qualcomm's answer to the G90T question. And a very good answer it has turned out to be.

Today most people are divided between G90T and SD720G. Whilst some persons have already made their decisions as to which is better, this post is for those who haven't and want to learn which is best for them. Let's take a good look at both chipsets based on the following parameters:

1. Microarchitecture
2. GPU
3. Process
4. RAM size and speed
5. Display resolution
6. Connectivity
7. Benchmarks
8. ISP (camera)

Let's kick off...

Microarchitecture

The Helio G90T is an Octa-core processor with two high-performance Cortex-A76 cores clocked at 2.05 GHz and six power-efficient Cortex-A55 cores clocked at 2.0 GHz.
Snapdragon 720G also has two high-performance Cortex-A76 cores clocked at 2.3 GHz but Qualcomm chose to underclock it's power-efficient Cortex-A55 cores by clocking them @ 1.6 GHz.

High performance cores are for CPU (and GPU intensive tasks) e.g photography and games. They are designed to burn through your battery. Power efficiency cores are for simple everyday tasks. They're designed to conserve battery.

What this means is that, when you are performing everyday tasks, since they both use the same A55, the G90T will be much faster as it has a better clockspeed of 2.0GHz compared to the 1.6GHz of the 720G. On the other hand, when performing CPU intensive tasks, the SD720G will pull ahead of the G90T because they both use the same A76 CPU design and the 720G has a better clockspeed of 2.3GHz as compared to the 2.05 of the G90T.

One thing to note is that the reduced speed of the A55 cores of the 720G means less battery consumption when using your phone for basic stuff as compared to the G90T but the trade off is that the G90T would be faster in a speed test comparison of every day apps.

To understand how Cortex cores are ranked (click here) https://www.nairaland.com/5820850/understanding-arm-cortex-used-building

For raw processing power, I'll give it to the 720G and it saves battery too.

GPU or Graphics Processing Unit
The G90T has the Mali-G76 3EEMC4 GPU which is clocked at 800MHz. The SD720G has the Adreno 618 which is clocked at 500MHz. This is no contest. The G90T destroys the 720G here. In gaming, the G90T will render images and graphics 13.78% faster making games more enjoyable. The Adreno 618 is no joke, it is also super fast at rendering graphics too but e and the Mali-G76 3EEMC4 no be mate at all.

The G90T takes this one.

build process
The build process is the size of the chip on which the SoC is built. A smaller SoC produces better battery consumption, less heating and (arguably) a better CPU performance.
The Helio G90T is built on an older 12nm process while the Snapdragon 720G is built of a much better 8nm process. This makes the 720G much more efficient than then G90T by a big margin as a 4nm is too big a difference in terms of the manufacturing process.

The 720G takes this one.

RAM
RAM or random access memory is a temporary store house of data for your CPU to work with. While the size of the RAM is important, what most people don't know is that the speed of the RAM is what they should look for. A slow 10GB RAM block will bog down your CPUs leading to poor performance. The RAM speed determines how fast your CPU can write data to it as well as read it to extract data while it is working.

Your CPU can also read and write to your memory card. A slow memory card will slow your phone. This is why iPhones do not use memory card. Trust Nigerians, they'll buy a cheap memory card that is slow and then they'll blame Apple.

The SD720G has a Max Memory of 8GB and Frequency (or speed) of 1866 MHz (1.8GHz). The G90T has a max Memory of 10GB and a speed of 2133MHz (2.1GHz). The both have LPDDR4x, EMMC 5.1 and UFS 2.1. Both do not support ECC memory.

Both RAMs are madly fast but the G90T takes it.

Display
Resolution can be defined as the sharpness and clarity (how clear) of an image.

The G90T supports full Full High Definition (FHD+) or 1080p while the 720G supports Quad High Definition (QHD) or 1440P.

This round goes to the 720G.

Connectivity
The G90T comes with WiFi 5 while the 720G carries WiFi 6. Obviously the WiFi 6 is better.

The G90T comes with Bluetooth 5.0 while the 720G comes with Bluetooth 5.1. Again 720G wins.

As for the modems (for internet): The Snapdragon 720G’s X15 LTE modem provides a download speed of 800 MBps and an upload speed of 150 Mbps. In contrast, the G90T’s modem provides a download speed of 600 Mbps and an upload speed of 150 Mbps. The 720G again.

ISP
The image signal processor is like the occipital lobe in our human brain. Your eyes can see but if your brain doesn't interpret then the eyes are useless. This is why when alcohol fogs your brain, the eyes start to see double. There's nothing wrong with the eyes but the brain don Maya. It's the same here.

The ISP coordinates all the sensors, collects images from each one and combines to produce the final result. Each SoC has a certain limit it can go.

The G90T comes with the 3x which supports Up to 24 + 16 MP dual cameras and Up to 64 MP single camera. the Snapdragon 720G comes with the Spectra 350L ISP which has support for a single camera with capabilities of shooting at 192MP (maaaaaaaaaad) and dual 22+22 set up.

For video, both record 4K ultra HD at 30FPS.

The 720 takes this one.

Benchmarks

Take note that Benchmarks are mostly concerned with CPU performance. The G90T has better benchmark scores because it has a far far better GPU and a faster RAM and even so, the score is not that far as the 720G superior CPUs will give it a run for its money.

If Gaming is your thing, the G90T wins!!!

In other aspects like display, battery consumption, heating, connectivity, camera and video. The 720G is better.

If you are looking for an all-rounder with arguably better support. Then the 720G is your go to guy.

Thank you all and Good morning

This was written at the request of Marvog and Ozemestats

All of what you wrote is true but theoretical.
Other factors come into play that determines performance in real life experience when those chips are used in devices.

Even looking at cpu to cpu performance, their are other factors that limits performance. For example where are the wifi 6 routers, and even if you have one what's your internet bandwidth.

It's also funny to see many persons being ignorant or blank statements about what they know nothing about.

I saw a comment talking a mediatek chipsets being trash. The most basic mediatek chipset can't be produced in Nigeria and such an individual even lacks the basic understanding of electronic gates or monolithic circuits not to talk about the mathematics of operation.

Chipsets are intricate and complex activities requiring hundreds of experienced engineers from the design to testing, from converting silica which require a purity of 99.99% through photolitography to interconnects and then testing and packaging and a lot of other processes in-between.

Nigeria don't have both the human and technological resources presently for such projects. Even the US doesn't have what it takes to manufacture the iphones at present.

So what we need is education and collaboration, we need to learn the basics, and give technical basis for statements instead of copying what's on the internet because a comparison between chipsets in a country like Japan can have a different result in a place like Nigeria who's still behind in technology. For example phones with 5g, wifi 6, NFC offers no advantage to Nigeria users. In today's world however the marketing world have overshadowed everything else.

From a Nokia 110 user

DriggityDre:
Broooo I am not doubting. No need. You can take the photo(s) down.

Don't get me wrong.

Like has it started selling? That's what I am genuinely asking.

I was thinking it hasn't entered Nigeria yet.

His model is last year model. What are you confused about?

atheistandproud:
Yeah bro. We're expecting a phone made with it later on this year.

Make we still get 5G on a budget pending when empty-hen, helltel and lo (the g don lose), go give us 5G network.

What's the fuss about a 5g device when the feature cannot be used? Licences have not been given to the telcos....then network design... even current high end 865 soc from Qualcomm was a disappointment based on the design. I expect a fusion of the 5g modem in their next release.
The point is by the time the service is available... there will be better socs and phones to utilize the service. Until then it's best to focus on other features of the soc.

linearity:
You are getting many things wrong....

1. US is a democracy, China is not and it’s more like dictatorship, the way they rule and dominate their citizens.

2. The US was late, because the US President first down played the pandemic and even called it a hoax...it does not mean the underlying US system is faulty, it is the beauty of democracy.

3. Every US response today, is centered around the way the current US President and his administration is handling the crises. He is showing his incompetence and he does not have capable hands to help him, because he demand absolute loyalty and most professionals want to do their jobs without licking asses...this is also the beauty of democracy and you might say it’s weakness.

4. At the start of the pandemic in China US donated tones of masks and gears to them, there is nothing wrong in US buying from China.

5. US & France manufacture their own supplies, which are of a better quality, but it is far cheaper to manufacture them in China, it is just the economy thing to do. China don’t have the advantage simply because they manufacture these stuff. Nigeria produces crude oil in abundance, I don’t know if you can tell me it’s benefits to a single Nigerian citizen in the delta region, in fact the crude are now sitting in the high sea begging for buyers....everyday is not Christmas and don’t think that the level of enjoyment you had on Christmas Day will last all year.

Chinesse citizens were treated like objects, beaten, locked in with padlocks, chained, roads blocked. The government took their privacy and replaced it with wechat, each citizen was color coded green, yellow and red with no freedom or say with huge restrictions and central government controls...you can’t do those in a democracy and those measures are not sustainable, they don’t make a great empire...otherwise the Roman Empire would not have fallen and North Korea would have been ruling the world today.

Democracy as practiced in US, France, etc have their weakness as you are seeing now, but they are the best institutions and last longer.

I like objective posts such as these.

Point 1 is the most relevant in these 2 countries. Everything centers around that. The best in the US work for the private sector and the government largely depends on these institutions to get things done. Unlike China the government can almost gets what she wants.

For point 5. Quality is a function of specifications. The companies producing these products in China are US companies to be consumed by US residents.

Working for private industries we've had products manufactured in the US that were defective and were reordered from China by same US companies.

chukzyfcbb:
Just a word of caution to those who think the IT field is all rosy, you are in for a shocker.

for every 1 person who makes 750k there are 10 of them who is making half or lesser than that.

There are tons of guys out there with hands on skills in tech who don't even make beyond 100k. Be it in web development, Cyber security or Networking etc.

I see lots of caps in the comment section saying get this and that skill and you are on your way to big money in 1yr or 18months, that's not really true.

Sometimes it's just luck or grace whichever you call it, however one thing that's certain in life is that if you keep upgrading your self, your earning power will increase.

There are so many tech guys out there earning huge that don't really know as much as you think, it's all bout Time and chance.

Don't go into tech because you think you can blow by just learning HTML css JavaScript in 1yr or 18minhs, first you will be frustrated by the tech lessons and frustrated by the offers.

Do it because you love tech coz in this field you will Read the FVCK out!
You will keep reading till your brains bleed coz tech is always advancing

A word of caution, it's not rosy out here even with your tech skills, be wise!

A very succinct point. Everyone thinks IT skills automatically leads to financial success and that picture is painted everywhere. In a firm in Lagos that advertised for Mid-level developers, they received tens of more applications than the positions available. Some who started IT programs are later burned-out and even turned to other careers. From experience and as it's true of other profession the best is not always hired. It's the demand for coding that's justifies the high earnings, and if the earnings are the motivating factor for anyone going into it...the chances of success becomes minimal.

Whitemagic:
Goodday boss. Pls do you have any info on US work visa? Do you know of anyone who has successfully travel with a work visa after having employment letter from an American firm? Lastly pls any thread where I can get detailed info about it. Thanks

You are eligible for H1-b visa. Get an employer who's willing to sponsor you for the visa. The starting process for H1-b visa is Sponsorship job offer from a US Sponsor Company. I do know a few that have gone through the process.

anochuko01:
I would have insulted you but no need.
With your whole intelligence, you don't know that machine learning and AI involve data science too? Do you know if they probably want to start another line of business and need to make predictions?

Myself and the said guy started learning stuffs together last year, and in less than 12months there's been dramatic progress for both of us.
I'm into robotics and have started implementing a bit of AI.

I pity the lazy people that "liked" all you wrote coz my sole aim was to encourage people to go learn in demand skills.

Okay now, another Friend learnt Microsoft Dynamics for six months and is now gainfully employed on the island. You can doubt this one too so I can prove you wrong again lol.

If we all keep giving excuses, nobody would be anything meaningful.

There is demand for such jobs but the skills are not there.