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gallivant:
You have no power for industry so NO, you are en route to nowhere.

yet manufacturing is bigger in Nigeria than Kenya... Yet the richest man on the continent was made from manufacturing in Nigeria

sufferNsmiling:
Keep on fooling yourself why your country nigeria slide into oblivion

What are you talking about, I admitted that I wanted Nigeria to have more people like Dangote...

Do you just post just to be anti-Nigeria?

We all know Nigeria is in a bad position currently, Nigerians, Kenyans, Ghanaian... We know this... But just like everything else there is some positive, however small it is

TayserMahiri:
All these shyt they are bringing has been argued at least once before. In fact this thread can be divided into portions of recurring waves of arguments. Everything is a replica

I was talking about this

Dotun Somoye is the Country Manager GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), Ghana which deals in Pharmaceuticals. He was the Marketing Manager at GlaxoSmithKline before his current appointment in June 2007 where he is responsible for GlaxoSmithKline Consumer Healthcare business management and development in Ghana, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Gambia. . He attended Lagos State University, University of Lagos and Baptist Boys High School Abeokuta.

https://ameyawdebrah.com/revealed-meet-nigerian-tycoons-running-ghanas-economy/

A Nigerian was the country manager for GlaxoSmithKline Ghana

NairobiWalker

NairobiWalker:
Lafarge isn't as big as it used to be in Kenya either. It's embarrassing though for a country of 190M to only speak of one person as if he owns everything over there. It would be understandable if Dangote was Rwandese.

Dangote is a robber-baron if you're American and a chaebol if you're South korean... These two countries had big names that transformed and industrialized their country just like Dangote is doing now... i mean Dangote is investing $23 billion in Nigeria currently... If he's the only one, WOW!

I've always wished we had more Dangotes, Nigeria would be way more industrilized than it is now... Sadly rich Nigerians invest in oil and real estate

TayserMahiri:
Even biscuits

Im leaving this thread till it gets some sense

What about the kenyan creams and soaps that ordinary villagers make..

Even before colonization... Kenyans sha

wizmikeee:
So what if Indians and whites dominate big business in Kenya and south Africa. Anthony Joshua was born in UK by Nigerian parents if I'm mistaken, but we talk about who dominating Britain boxing right now is Anthony Joshua does it mean the British are fools? Nigerians you need to start learning and stop celebrating the past and individual ppl

your comment is confusing.. so what if Anthony Joshua is dominating boxing... blacks dominate in sports to the music industry especially in America

NairobiWalker:
KCB Bank
Savannah Cement
Safaricom
Equity Bank
Cooperative Bank
Sidian Bank
Transnational Bank
Family Bank
NIC Bank
National Bank
GlaxoSmithKline (Which is British but since you also mentioned it..............)

See?

Don't get your comment.. I was talking to rvp about Nigerian business in Ghana... but it seems i made a mistake on GlaxoSmithKline

rvp2018:
now scrapping the bottom of the barrel - my wife also manufacture biscuits at home.

His biscuits enjoy patronage on major foreign airlines like Lufthansa... What kenyan biscuit do major airlines buy??

rvp2018:
Being acquitted in corrupt country like Nigeria count for nothing. Being actually tried for fraud in Nigeria count for something.

Let him show us the certificate of origin for his cars. The chinese found suckers in west africa - in functioning countries - they won't be allowed.

Let Nigeria stack their "made in nigeria" brand on those chinese models - and you'll know nobody will not take your seriously.

Like i said b4, ur argument is really biased... Even facts won't change your mind

If you notice, i try to balance my patrioticness with truth.. I admit sectors Kenya wherein is more advanced in than Nigeria... There's no use being patriotic about something false

rvp2018:
hahaha - baby steps - you mean you didn't have such - kenya have had all that for a very long time. Yes we inherited a very good industrial base from British. You got nothing. I see you even sell rubber but don't make tires.

What are you reffering to when you say you didn't have such?

Batteries or what... cuz those industries have been in Nigeria for a longgg time now... I think Nigeria was actually one of the more industrialized African countries at independence..

rvp2018:
You must be an incorrigble idiot if you believe Innosen can manufacture even a bolt or a nut. I understand the pride & patriotic thing...but please if you want to talk about car manufacturing in Africa - start from South Africa, Morocco,Algeria, Egypt and land in Kenya.....not those idiots re-badging chinese cars and making you the butt of jokes. I mean if you issues that conman the certificate of origin you'd be damaging your country reputation - because other countries will demand to inspect it and it will never trust "Made in Nigeria". Okay what I am thinking...there is NO MADE IN NIGERIA thing anywhere.

Innoson exports his cars to several countries, I even heard Sierre Leone has had his cars for a long time now.. His factory has been inspected several times..

Meanwhile you keep doubting, Innoson is growing, as well as his exports.. sonn we'll see Innosn in Kenya... Infacts I almost want to make a bet with you that in 10 years there will be Innoson cars in Kenya

Daejoyoung:
Kofo Akinkugbe is recognised globally for her entrepreneurial success story and strong business track record. She is founder & CEO of SecureID Nigeria Ltd a market leader in smart card technology and digital security. SecureID is a world-class manufacturing facility with the only smart card production plant in West Africa and one of only six on the continent. This company serves 16 countries across Africa and is fully certified by VISA, Verve and MasterCard. In 2012, Kofo won the Africa Awards for Entrepreneurship Mature Business Award.

lol the kenyans will say we import the cards from China then sell it across Africa

rvp2018:
hahaha - baby steps - you mean you didn't have such - kenya have had all that for a very long time. Yes we inherited a very good industrial base from British. You got nothing. I see you even sell rubber but don't make tires.

We make tyres in Nigeria... Golly

A company called General Tyres and Tubes.. i believe it's in Enugu.. I've seen videos of the plant too

rvp2018:
When did a conman stop being a conman.If he initially claimed it was 100% local - what make you believe his 70% local. What was incentive for buying locally - with your logistics and without any car industry - what can you source locally. Chinese can sell him those knock off cars completely made for 2,000usd - why would he trouble himself with sourcing 70% of content?

Please I know there is very little to be proud off in Nigeria - it one hell-hole of a country - but you'll have to work for it.

And for your info, Nnewi where his car manufacturing company is located is a huge car parts trading and manufacturing hub.. Everything from cables, car plastic, batteries, etc is made there..I don't want to be tribalistic here it's just that igbos are industrious.. the other tribes in Nigeria know this

We had a horrible civil that made many igbos poor so they wen into trading, from trading they went into manufacturing..

Also while you're stressing on Innoson, He plans to also manufacture the engines in Nigera in the next 5 years(count from 2016)
He also plans to go near 100% local content from the 60% he was doing in 2016

The Chairman of Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Company Limited, Chief Innocent Chukwuma yesterday said the company will, in the next five years, commence local manufacture of vehicle engine to acheive [near] 100 per cent local content in the auto industry.

Currently, the firm is doing 60 per cent local content with the assembling of vehicle parts and the purchase of vehicle engines from foreign markets

Like I said even Innoson admits it. He manufactures some parts in Nigeria and gets the rest from abroad

rvp2018:
When did a conman stop being a conman.If he initially claimed it was 100% local - what make you believe his 70% local. What was incentive for buying locally - with your logistics and without any car industry - what can you source locally. Chinese can sell him those knock off cars completely made for 2,000usd - why would he trouble himself with sourcing 70% of content?

Please I know there is very little to be proud off in Nigeria - it one hell-hole of a country - but you'll have to work for it.

When did he claim it was 100%.. Even car companies like Ford don't claim 100%... In the Car manufacturing industry you import parts you don't manufacture, same for planes... It's called globalization

254tobby:
Don't dare because bitterness is always your nature,and am not going waste my energy typing you the manufacturing industries in Kenya,rvp had already showed you of which most of them are runned by black citizens being the majority shareholders but because of your ignorance,you'll refute that and make some bogus excuses.

Apart from dangote cement,is there any other serious manufacturing industry that you guys can hype of??
You Nigerians needs to stop some minor jealousy...lol

Nigeria has stopped direct importation of car lead-acid batteries.. We manufacture enough in Nigeria..
We have a petrochemicals industry, we're one of the few African countries that has that
We used to have a booming textile industry.. 3rd largest in Africa after SA and Egypt
I could go on and on

From what I've seen Nigeria's manufacturing is more indigenous and bigger than KEnya's
Although I know Kenya has a blooming automobile assembling industry, I think it's bigger than Nigeria
foreign cars though like SA

rvp2018:
Why would I follow a nigerian fraudster - they are so many - he makes no car - he buys them from China.

Also I don't doubt Innoson imported car parts and assembled them at the beginning... But as the company grew bigger he backward integrated and started manufacturing the parts and sourcing other parts in Nigeria.. Today 70% of his car parts are locally sourced and manufactured... That's how a company/industrialization works

rvp2018:
Why would I follow a nigerian fraudster - they are so many - he makes no car - he buys them from China.

He is not a fraudster, The court proved him innocent.. infact it was the Supreme court...

This is from the chinese car website you posted

Established in 2013, our Ghana joint venture is operating now. It is starting to produce 2.0L gasoline Pickup, 1.5L gas.

http://china-bigst.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008836441140/Homepage.htm

Nothing about Nigeria

rvp2018:
Nigeria should start assembling Okadas - then manufacturing Okadas - before we buy those claims from that fraudster - who is facing charges now. He can claim to have 10,000 employees but if you IRS is not following up to ask for PAYE then it pretty free for all Nigeria jungle.

Kindly when you're done talking nigeria rubbish and nonsense - we can begin discusing africa automative industry - starting from SOUTH AFRICA - which has Africa MOST ADVANCED industry - and yet have no cars of their own.

plus did u read what i posted... Okadas are motorcycles.. Innoson openly admitted he assembles motorcycles

golly

rvp2018:
Nigeria should start assembling Okadas - then manufacturing Okadas - before we buy those claims from that fraudster - who is facing charges now. He can claim to have 10,000 employees but if you IRS is not following up to ask for PAYE then it pretty free for all Nigeria jungle.

Kindly when you're done talking nigeria rubbish and nonsense - we can begin discusing africa automative industry - starting from SOUTH AFRICA - which has Africa MOST ADVANCED industry - and yet have no cars of their own.

If you've been following the news you would know that Innoson won the case.. so him being fraudulent is not an excuse anymore for you not to believe

rvp2018:
Manufacture a simple bolt or toothpick - before you go into high tech stuff like laptops. Assembling and selling computer CLONES - that any fool can do. If you had FUNCTIONING institutions like standards bodies, working tax authority & stuff like ECOWAS - that guy won't be able to pass cheap knock-off chinese clones for anything more!!!!!!!!

If any fool can do it, why aren't Kenyans... I don't see Kenyan laptops leading the market in Kenya...

rvp2018:
Please don't compare your idiocy with what Ethiopia does. Innoson cannot manufacture a BOLT. Show me one CTC machine . They like Ghanaian pastor just order for badges - and then stick it to the Chinese made cars. The big looser here is Nigeria - the guys is evading taxes, he is violating the certificate of origin, make nigeria a butt of jokes and nobody will trust "Made in Nigeria" Label.

Ethiopia assembly is different. Samsung or Tecno come and establish an assembly plant. They hire Ethiopian to do the manual labour.

Some Ethiopean conman cannot wake up, declare himself an assembly line and start selling Chinese phones - That is criminal in many countries - for many violations.

Even Innoson admits where he manufactures and assembles

I, Chief Dr. Innocent Chukwuma OFR, is the Chairman of IVM Innoson Group with member companies such as Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Company Limited- Africa’s 1st indigenous vehicle manufacturing company; Innoson Nigeria Ltd- T[b]he first indigenous Motorcycle Assembly Company in Nigeria[/b]; General Tyres and Tubes- the only surviving tyre manufacturing plant in Nigeria; Innoson Technical and Industrial Company Ltd- The largest plastic manufacturing plant in West Africa.

http://innosonmotors.com/an-open-letter-to-president-muhammadu-buhari-by-chief-dr-innocent-chukwuma-innoson/

He mentions that he assembles motorcycles.. Your argument seems really biased, nothing i can say can change your mind even facts

Also

IVM Innoson Group has over 10,000 indirect workers and over 7,300 direct employees who apart from earning their living through the parent and subsidiary companies pay income taxes to the government.

Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Company Limited has assisted the Nigerian Airforce in fighting Boko Haram by supporting its fighter jets with fabrication of needed spare parts. Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Company Limited is also in technical partnership with the Nigerian Army.

For a company that has over 7,300 employees and is still employing... hmmm... He also fabricated spare parts...
Anyways the internet is at your disposal

Anyways I've seen the Katanka assembling complex-- it's not some fraud.. They import the car parts and assemble them, no big deal.. happens in Kenya too

rvp2018:
There is no phone or laptop manufacturing going on there - you cannot jump from zero manufacturing to HIGH TECH manufacturing - you cannot jump from informal trade - to formal trade. You need to start making genuine baby steps - not RE-BADGING CHINESE laptops, phones & cars. Start like Ethiopia by taking really low cost no-brains manufacturing - where you can utilize the 200M nigerians to do the bare minimum - then slowly and slowly - reach Kenya stage - then South Africa - then start dreaming about making a laptop -

Right now there is basically no manufacturing going on - just import chinese FINISHED goods - and re-packaging, re-branding & re-badging

The distribution channels are still primitive - corner shops.

You have a long way to go to formalize your economy.

Ethiopia mainly assembles... ur point?... On Katanka... they import those chines cars then assemble them in Ghana.. Innoson manufactures(70%) and assembles like a normal car company

wizmikeee:
lol wish you could hear how stupid sound now. black south Africans, Kenyans and Ghanaians also own big business in their countries too so you guys should stop hypocrisy shit

foreigners(whites,indians) dominate big business in Kenya and South Africa while in Nigeria it's not the case... We weren't talking about whites and Indians owning businesses in Ghana... soooo

Guys I think Nigeria won this round...

What we've learned:
1. Nigeria's manufacturing industry is more advanced than Kenya's(despite lack of infrastructure)

2. Kenya needs more indigenous manufacturers

rvp2018:
Youre talking samsung assembling kind of thing that Ethiopia does or tje dishonest re badging n repackaging of chinese goods

Also i found this about Innoson

The vehicles, built at the company’s Nnewi plant, were made up of 70 percent locally sourced parts – most manufactured in the same locale.

http://venturesafrica.com/innoson-ibeto-and-the-rising-men-from-nigerias-east/

Admit it, Nigeria's manufacturing industry is more advanced than Kenya's

rvp2018:
What value or scale of assembling are you talking about..use dollars

Assembling was the start of major economies today... Countries like China, Japan, South Korea

From there they grew and went into direct manufacturing... Keep in mind car companies manufacture and assemble.. They import components like engines then manufacture the rest..

So let's say Nigeria is ahead of Kenya in "assembling" it means we are more on the route to being industrialized than Kenya..

rvp2018
I have one question

What sector does assembling identify as? Could it be manufacturing?

Assembling was the start of major economies today... Countries like China, Japan, South Korea

From there they grew and went into direct manufacturing... Keep in mind car companies manufacture and assemble.. They import components like engines then manufacture the rest..

So let's say Nigeria is ahead of Kenya in "assembling" it means we are more on the route to being industrialized than Kenya..

wizmikeee:
lol my anus I bet you even have head on ur shoulders. lemme tell you something it seems you don't read. If you Nigerians get sense shall won't mess up ur oil industry and the lands remember that's a whites man company too lol

Wat is this guy saying? First correct your english because i can barely understand what you're saying

There are several Nigerian oil companies... Nigerians too own oil blocks in Nigeria

Daejoyoung:
MTN had the headstart but globacom is competing fiercely, many Nigerians hate the services of globacom, but Adenuga is always doing his best to keep up with mtn by sometimes bringing in new ideas never imagined at mtn. Sometimes even MTN had to follow suite. That's what I'm talking about.

Wait o.. Is Safaricom fully Kenyan
like Globacom is fully Nigerian

rvp2018

Just read Samsung cancelled plans to put up an assembly plant in Kenya...

Ghana made soo much effort to attract Nigerian companies including manufaturing to Ghana...
And it partially worked too.. lol

rvp20182:
Some me Nigerian brands that are rivalling Uniliver Nigeria - which of you companies say rivals Uniliver Omo's in detergent. Let start there. Then can a Ghanian name any 10 or so brands from Nigeria? How many are those Nigerian brands in super-market in Nigeria and regionally in ECOWAS - I am told NADA - Shoprite has to import tiger products from South Africa

Nigeria's formal retail is not as advanced... you already know this...

But when it comes to banking and manufacturing(cement), you're sure to see many of them in many African countries(including Ecowas)..

Does Kenya even have phone assembly plants?