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All I ask from God is to continue to open your eyes one by one to see what you people are missing.

We have the supreme one - The Father, Son and Holy Spirit
The Mother of Jesus - Mary the Virgin Mother of God (Who intercedes for us)
We have the Saints in Heaven and all the Angels (Who intercedes for us)

So no matter the castigation, all our Aims is to make heaven.

If the Catholic church is blind, then i'm suppose to still be swimming in the ocean of my sin, but it was in this same catholic church i met Jesus (despite all my wrong doings during the past) I could still find peace in him. The peace i have never felt before. Before i do anything i seek his face, and he hears me. And i go to the Mass, hear the gospel and get refreshed each and every day with his words. So i don't know what you guys are saying.

If that same God that is in the protestant church is the God of peace, i tell you brethren that, that same God of peace is everywhere that he is invited.

He opened my eyes to make me realise that i am heading for destruction and all this happened in the Catholic church. I was born a Catholic, but i was still swimming in Sin, but not until one day everything changed in my life. I didn't go to any other church to be converted. I was converted in the Catholic church.

Look let me tell you church cannot save you, your level of annointing cannot save, how much you know about the word of God cannot save you, but the fruit the word of God bears in ur life.

So lets stop all this argument about Catholic church being this or that, but encourage each other as a Christain. I state categorically that there is nothing at all wrong with the teachings of the Catholic church.

You can't tell me that all Muslim will go to hell or even all Pagan will go to hell.

God's judgement is different from Men's judgement.

@Pilgrim.1
So, should we take that to mean that when Catholics bow down to the image/statute of Mary, you do not worship or respect the image itself, but rather worship or respect Mary herself?

Point of correction again and again NOT WORSHIPPING, BUT HONOURING HER (Please always note this)

Mind you, Joshua did not worship the Angel, but pictured God thru the Angel and bowed before it worshipping God. (Josh 5:14)

Revelation 19:10 – “And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of they brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy”.

Please stop contradicting the word of God. What you are trying to say is that the Angel that Appeared to John is not sent by God or Pre-incarnate of God? All the Angels mentioned in the Bible came in the name of the Lord my dear. God Pre-incarnates through them to speak or deliver message, not with their own power, but the power of God.

The Angel in Rev.:19:10 came also as Captain of the host of the LORD, because he did not mention it, like he mentioned it to Joshua.

The Angel in Rev19:10 is trying to pass the message to John and us that God only should be worshipped, John wanted to make that mistake, but he was corrected. We worship God only Just like Joshua did, not the Angel.
You quoted also (Gen 16:7-11; 22: 11-12; Exo. 3:2-6; 23: 20-21; Num 22; judg. 2:1-4) In all this places are the manifestation of God thru his Angels.

Even in Gen 18: 1-7, you can read where Abraham bowed down before the three men who were passing through his house. Tell me is he worshipping them by bowing to them?

All scriptures were written by the inspiration of God and for a purpose

The Bible forbids any believer from worshipping any angel, whether that angel appears physically or is molded in stone, cast in silver or sculptured in cement or wood to represent any power or deity (Daniel 11:38)

Daniel 11:38 which you quoted says: “Instead, he will honour d god who protects fortresses. He will offer gold, silver, jewels and other rich gifts to a god his ancestors never worshipped”.
If you read through is talking about the king of Syria who worship false gods. And we all know as Christians it is bad to worship false god. So it’s out of what I mean because we don’t worship false god, but the true and living God, God of all the universe, creator of heaven and earth.

Lets look at Daniel 8:17, when the Angel Gabriel visited Daniel he fell to the ground, was that an act of worship?
You protestant kneel before your Bible or your General Overseers pictures while praying. What do we call that?

Remember God says in the book of Exodus 20; you should not accuse anyone falsely and you are going against the commandment of God, by accusing us falsely.
And God says the greatest commandment He has given us is to love one another as he loved us.
If you that love is dir, then you will start appreciating our faith.

May God help us all.
Cheers

@Cgift I don tire sef. Religion na serious thing o. Man mind be like computer program. Na wetin you tell am to do he go do. E no go wan change at all. It takes God to change a man's mind really. You can only make someone see reason, but the change of heart is from God alone.

You have to remove the scale in your own eyes first b4 removing ur brothers.
You cant convince someone who is already in the light, its never possible. Save yourself first. And mind you, dir r people over dir who needs d word of God, go talk to them. God came for the lost sheep, so go over dir look 4 d lost sheep and convert.

Let me tell u, i found God in the Catholic church and nothing and i mean nothing can stop me 4rm going back not even u or any other protesters.

You keep on protesting instead of dishing out d word of God.

@Pilgrim.1 and all other Non-Catholics and Catholic themself

I know that no matter the explanation you have bent down not to accept your fellow brethrens (catholic) Remember that God is love.

What is an Image?
An Image is a representation of person or anything made or carved of paper, stone, wood etc. Any picture can be regarded as an image. You can see pictures and all forms of images and statues of the saints in all Roman Catholic Churches all over the world.

This does not mean that we Catholics r goin contrary to d commandment of God, that says: "thou shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth, you shall not bow down 2 them or serve them" (Exodus 20:3-5). This is where all the contradiction comes. But this teaching or saying is a misinterpretation of the word of God.

It is right to warn people of the sin of idolatry but not to accuse them falsely either because of ignorance, hatred or envy. some people who want to be masters of their own and in order to lure ignorant people to their assembly or bring people together for their selfish purposes may continue to accuse Catholics falsely. They go all out to castigate the church founded by Christ himself. They try to pollute people's minds giving them the wrong impression that God disapproved of making of image.

We should not forget that the same people who are accusing you of using images have their own pictures and also keep their children's, wives, husband photographs and even those of their dead loved ones for remembrance. We should know that God cannot contradict himself (Genesis 1:26) God says "Come let us make man in our image after our likeness, and in the image of God man was made"

God is Almighty and can never contradict Himself.

Hear what God says in Exodus 25:17-20 "Then you shall make a mercy seat of pure gold two cubits and a half shall it be in length, and a cubits and a half shall it be in length, and a cubit and half in breath" Vs 18 says: "And you shall make two Cherubim of gold of hammered work shall make them on the two ends of the mercy seat" Vs 19 says: Make a cherub on one end and one Cherub on the other end." VS 20 says: The Cherubim shall spread out their wings above overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings. Towards the mercy seat shall the faces of the Cherubim be"

As Omniscience God, who knows the future, he knew that some people due to their selfish interest may in time to come misinterpret his word. In Exodus 20:1-5 he quickly commanded Moses to make Images for use in so many places in the scripture to let the people understand what he said or meant so that his Children will not be misled by heretics (teachers). Num:21:6-9, Exo 32:1-4, Gen 3:17, Chro 28:18-20, and so many other places in the scriptures.

Even Juanita Bynum, in one of her gospel track, they carved Mercy Seat and they all ran and bowed before it. Tell me are they worshipping it?


I love you all with the love of Christ.

@Cgift: "The truth is "when you bow to an image, you worship it because it comes with reverence".

An image is a representation of person or anything made or carved of paper, stone, wood etc.
Images help us to remember some past events & also help 2 know some great men & women of God & d society.  They remind us of great religious men & women who served God in truth & in spirit & also d type of suffering & death they endured. 

When u see d image of d crucified Jesus, you shld meditate on his death. 
The image of d Blessed Virgin Mary imparts courage to d youth who is still a virgin.  You as a youth who hv not been this-virgined will be courageous.  The Blessed Virgin Mary was highly rewarded 4 maintaining her virginity & through her came Christ.  The Blessed Virgin Mary remained a virgin before & after giving birth 2 her only son Jesus Christ.

This does not mean that we catholics are going contrary to the commandment of God, that says:"thou shall not make 4 yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth, you shall not bow down 2 them or serve them" (Exodus 20:3-5)

Understand that not all bowing is worship as obtains in some countries & traditions which perform d act as a sign of respect or honour to elders & 2 those in authority.

In Joshua 5:14 One of d greatest leaders of Israel called Joshua met an Angel.  He did not only bow down or prostrate.  The scripture says that he threw himself on d ground & worshipped.  Was he worshipping that Angel or is an Angel not a likeness in Heaven?  Joshua recognised d Angel as God's representative & [b]REVERENCED THE PRESENCE OF GOD through d Angel[/b].

On armed forces remembrance day, Soldiers salute d statue of unknown soldier & lay their wreaths as sign of honour to the comrades who hv fallen in active service.  They shld not be seen 2 b saluting ordinary wood or woshipping it, not at all; but all respect goes to the departed soldiers.  Just as students, soldiers, policemen, scouts etc. who salute their flag r not worshiping d flag which is ordinary piece of cloth, but perform an act of REVERENCE to the nation or organisation which d flag represents.

Again, to kiss your photograph or that of your parents, your beloved sister, brother or friend, husband or wife does not mean that you're kissing d person physically but you're only expressing d love u hv 4 d person.

Therefore, when we bow 2 an image we do not worship or respect d image itself but what d image represents.

The book of Wisdom 16:5-11 gives more answer to this; it says, "Who turned towards it was saved not by what he saw but by thee O! Lord the Saviour of the world".   When we bow to an image we see and reason beyond the image just like d Israelites who were bitten by the venomous serpent were saved by looking beyond d bronze serpent that Moses made.

If you r sick & look at d image of Christ with faith you will obtain your healing like d Israelites who looked at d bronze serpent.

God taught us how to love one another, but here we r castigating one religion or the other. This religion will go to hell fire, this religion is where there is light and that one is in darkness.

Who has made us judge over one another?

May God have mercy on you all.
On the last day God will be the judge and not man.

Is either the church is this or that (the church gives you sleepless night; Sorry o!!!)

The most puzzling thing about this catholic church which is been castigated by some people because of ignorance, hatred, envy and selfish interest because of the members they want to win for themselves and not Christ, but still this same church wax stronger and stronger and no gate of hell prevails against it.

Glory to Jesus, honour to Mary.

@Cgift
May God have mercy upon you all (protestant). This time is not Catholic walking in the dark, but you. Just Imagine all the lies you coined up, just to make sure you buttress your point. Forging what Mary did not say. All those things you people quoted on those pictures that Mary said how come. Where is it in the Bible (as you may say) or was it from a vision?

Your popular quotes Exodus 20:3-5 Making of graven image and not bowing down to them.
The same Exodus 25:17-20 quote “ Then you shall make a mercy seat of pure Gold two cubits and a half ……….verse 18 says “And you shall make two cherubim of gold of hammered work shall you make them on the two ends of the mercy seat”

In verse 10 of the same chapter God told Moses to make a covenant box with specific dimensions.
We should realize that it is after the instructions given in Exodus 20:3-5 that God gave Moses this command. We all know what is Cherub, that a Cherubim in another word means Angel which of course is a likeness in heaven.

If God condemned making of or using images as you protestant say, would he have ordered Moses to do what he hates? The answer is capital No!

God ordered Moses to make these images as points of contact between him the Almighty God and his people of Israel.

As Omniscient God, who knows the future, He knew that some people due to their ignorance, hatred, envy or selfish interest may in time to come misinterpret his word.

In Exodus 20:1-5 He then quickly commanded Moses to make images 4 use in so many places in the scriptures to let the people understand what he said or meant so that his children will not be misled by heretics (teachers).

You people are really confused; you know why I said that. A gospel singer (a protestant) whom I bought her VCD on it they build a mercy seat with the cherubim and they all ran and lay down before it.Are you people not confused?

Mary as Mediatrix
Mary is invoked in the Church under the title Mediatrix of all grace. All the graces which flow from the redemption of Jesus Christ are granted to the human family through the motherly intercession of Mary. Mary mediated Jesus Christ, the Author of all graces, to the world when she agreed to be the human mother of God made man (cf. Lk 1:38). And from the cross at Calvary (Jn 19:26) and as the final gift to humanity, Jesus gives Mary as a spiritual mother to us all: "Son, behold your mother" (cf. Jn 19:26).

May God have mercy upon you all (protestant). This time is not Catholic walking in the dark, but you. Just Imagine all the lies you coined up, just to make sure you buttress your point. Forging what Mary did not say. All those things you people quoted on those pictures that Mary said how come. Where is it in the Bible (as you may say) or was it from a vision?

Your popular quotes Exodus 20:3-5 Making of graven image and not bowing down to them.
The same Exodus 25:17-20 quote “ Then you shall make a mercy seat of pure Gold two cubits and a half ……….verse 18 says “And you shall make two cherubim of gold of hammered work shall you make them on the two ends of the mercy seat”

In verse 10 of the same chapter God told Moses to make a covenant box with specific dimensions.
We should realize that it is after the instructions given in Exodus 20:3-5 that God gave Moses this command. We all know what is Cherub, that a Cherubim in another word means Angel which of course is a likeness in heaven.

If God condemned making of or using images as you protestant say, would he have ordered Moses to do what he hates? The answer is capital No!

God ordered Moses to make these images as points of contact between him the Almighty God and his people of Israel.

As Omniscient God, who knows the future, He knew that some people due to their ignorance, hatred, envy or selfish interest may in time to come misinterpret his word.

In Exodus 20:1-5 He then quickly commanded Moses to make images 4 use in so many places in the scriptures to let the pple understand what he said or meant so dat his children will not be misled by heretics (teachers).

You people are really confused; you know why I said that. A gospel singer (a protestant) whom I bought her VCD on it they build a mercy seat with the cherubim and they all ran and lay down before it.
Are you people not confused?

Mary as Mediatrix[color=#990000][/color]
Mary is invoked in the Church under the title Mediatrix of all grace. All the graces which flow from the redemption of Jesus Christ are granted to the human family through the motherly intercession of Mary. Mary mediated Jesus Christ, the Author of all graces, to the world when she agreed to be the human mother of God made man (cf. Lk 1:38). And from the cross at Calvary (Jn 19:26) and as the final gift to humanity, Jesus gives Mary as a spiritual mother to us all: "Son, behold your mother" (cf. Jn 19:26).

I want to tell you protestant that all your argument are baseless. Blind argument. Accept the truth. If Mary is not the mother of God then who is; Your pastors wives?

Hello Pilgrim, Yes i join u with all the saints & angels in heaven and my mother Mary in singing Glory, honour, power and majesty to our Lord and saviour.

@Bigfred: that you should understand that Mary is NOT and can NEVER,EVER be the mother of God

I need proof

@Bigfred (So where did God instruct the catholics to make His image,Jesus image and mary's image. In all the examples you gave,God gave the instruction for a purpose at that moment.Oby1 iam waiting; if you can show me where God told you to make his image,for bowing as a mark of remembrance or whatever, then i will be convinced. God is a spirit,How can you make the image of a spirit you can't see?.God made you in HIS OWN IMAGE,(thank God you know that)why must you make any thing and say it is the image of God when you already know that you are his own image. If you are looking for an image that looks like God, then look at yourself, YOU ARE HIS GOD'S IMAGE. YOU ARE GOD'S IMAGE. YOU ARE GOD'S IMAGE. I hope it has entered your mental hurieism).

You see what i mean u pple argue blindly. You want 2 see specifically in d Bible where God instruct catholics 2 make his image. You would hv waited until God mention ur name specifically in the Bible 2 tell u to serve him before u do.

God permitted us to keep images in the church, office and in our homes, look at 1 kings 9:1-4; That after king Solomon had built d temple wit so many Images therein, God was not displeased but instead promised dat his presence will be dir 4ever & dat any prayer made dir will be answered.

Again, we should know dat d image of bronze serpent dat Moses made was kept in d temple 4 so many years. If God forbids keeping of Images in d temple, he would hv ordered Moses to destroy it after it had served it purpose, but it was preserved & God was not annoyed. It was after so many centuries during d reign of King Hezekiah dat it destroyed b'cos d Israelites in those days heard of d miraculous healing of their forefathers obtained 4rm God thru it and they began 2 worship & even gave it a name (Nehushitan) which means God their healer 2 kgs 18:3-4.

This means dat keeping of images in Churches, offices or at home as a memorial is not against God & therefore not 4bidden, but rather serving & worship them as god is sin.

These Protestants have problem. What the hell Catholic has done? Is this normal? I confidently believe that Satan is very much at work. These people might not know what they are doing. I’m sure. But they can't post any thread against their churches for people to discuss.

ebos i agree with you.
We should all (Catholics and other faithfuls) remember that in Matt 24:11 says "And many false prophets will arise and lead many people astray, do not be among those who will be lead astray".

Lets be wise for the days are evil

@Pilgrim : When u can sing praises to your earthly mother, then y can't u honour d mother of ur saviour. You call Jesus Jesus Jesus and you don't accept his Mother, is bad. You don't need to know the birthday date ur instinct suppose to tell you dat. Please we shld stop arguing blindly and face d truth.
The problem is dat you protestant know d truth, but to accept is the problem, maybe because of pride. All d Churches here and there had their root from the catholic church and very soon they will come back 2 their root.

@pilgrim1: When u can sing praises to your earthly mother, then y can't u honour d mother of ur saviour. You call Jesus Jesus Jesus and you don't accept his Mother, is bad. You don't need to know the birthday date ur instinct suppose to tell you dat. Please we shld stop arguing blindly and face d truth.
The problem is dat you protestant know d truth, but to accept is the problem, maybe because of pride. All d Churches here and there had their root from the catholic church and very soon they will come back 2 their root.

@bigfred (catholics should stop bowing to pictures,images i don't know where they got from
that catholics should pray for themselves and leave mary alone, Jesus to take their prayers to God.)

Images help us to remember some past events and also help to know some great men and women of God and the society. Some instances in the Holy scripture where God the father and our Lord Jesus Christ manifested their power by the use of images: In Gen1:26-27 God himself introduced the making of images when he made man in his own Image and likeness. Gen6:13-22, God instructed Noah to make the Ark the image of copper which restored life on earth. Gen.28:18-22, Jacob used the image of stone to demonstrate his worship and dedication to God. Exodus 13:21-22, God led and protected his people Israel from their enemies thru d image of pillar of fire by night and pillar of cloud by day. In Num.15:37-41, God commanded d Israelites to make the image of Tassels which will remind them of all His commandments. In Chro 13:13-14, God blessed Obed and Edom 4 receiving d image of the Ark of d old covenant into their house (example is the enthronement u see in Catholic homes). Joshua 4:1-7, Joshua & his pple kept some stone images as requested by God, to remind them and their descendants how God stopped the river Jordan from flowing when d Lord's covenant box was taken across it. So many others.

Bigfred understand that not all bowing is worship as obtains in some countries & tradition. In Daniel 8:17 when d Angel Gabriel visited Daniel he fell to d ground, was dat an act of worship? Even our accusers kneel b4 their bible or their general overseers pictures while praying. Instead of printing Christ's picture on their clothes they print those of their general overseers who is not even sure of going 2 heaven, and they are not accused of worshipping images.

Wisdom 16:5-11 gives more answer "who turned towards it was saved not by what he saw but by thee O! Lord d Saviour of d world". When we bow to an image we see and reason beyond d image just like d Israelites who were bitten by d venomous serpent were saved by looking beyond d bronze serpent dat Mosed made.

@pilgrim

If we can sing birthday song in honour of someone, then why not the Mother of your Saviour.
I sing to her almost at all atimes and it gives me joy.

We don't expect everything to be written down for us to know at least we have the hints.

Abba father, king of glory i pray for those who have sincerely prayed to you with one intention or the other that you will grant all their desires according to your riches in glory especially those who are in pain of one sickness or the other that you O Lord who is the balm of gilead will touch yur children with the annointing of healing.

Lord i also pray for all those who are swimming in the ocean of sin, that you will touch them to repent of their sin.

Lord i also pray for the grace to serve you with all my heart and also pray for the annointing of wisdom and knowledge.
In Jesus Name Amen!!!

i think a Bishop should be contacted on this issue to give clarification.

The Bishops who puts on ring will explain better, i think one of them should be introduced to this forum to clarify this issue.

The vision that you glorify in your mind, the ideal that you enthrone in your heart -- this you will build your life by; this you will become." James Allen

If one endure in purity of thought,
Joy follows him as his own shadow, James Allen

NEVER MOCK GOD!

Make a personal reflection about this. Very interesting, read until the end,

It is written in the Bible (Galatians 6:7): "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Here are some men and women who mocked God:

JOHN LENNON:
Some years before, during his interview with an American Magazine, he said:
"Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that. I am certain. Jesus was OK, but his subjects were too simple, Today we are more famous than Him" (1966). Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

TANCREDO NEVES (President of Brazil):
During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500,000 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency.
Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died.

CAZUZA (Bi-sexual Brazilian composer, singer and poet):
During a show in Cane cão ( Rio de Janeiro ), whilst smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said:

"God, that's for you."
He died at the age of 32 of AIDS in a horrible manner.

THE MAN WHO BUILT TITANIC:
After the construction of Ti tanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be. With an ironic tone he said:
"Not even God can sink it"
The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic.

MARILYN MONROE:
She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show. He said the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her. After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said:
"I don't need your Jesus."
A week later, she was found dead in her apartment.

BON SCOTT:
The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang:
"Don't stop me, I'm going down all the way, down the highway to hell."
On the 19th of February 1980 , Bon Scott was found dead, he had been choked by his own vomit.

CAMPINAS/SP IN 2005
In Campinas, Brazil a group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend. The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter - holding her hand, who was already seated in the car:
"MY DAUGHTER, GO WITH GOD AND MAY HE PROTECT YOU."
She responded:
"ONLY IF HE (GOD) TRAVELS IN THE BOOT, CAUSE INSIDE HERE IT'S ALREADY FULL"
Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died, the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the boot was intact. The police said there was no way the boot could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the boot was a crate of eggs, none were broken,
Boot means trunk.

Many more important people have forgotten that there is no other name that was given so much authority as the name o f Jesus. Many have died but only Jesus died and rose again, and he is still alive.

JESUS!!!

P.S: If it was a joke, you could have sent it to everyone. So are you going to have courage to send this?. I have done my part, Jesus said
"If you are embarrassed about me, I will also be embarrassed about you before my father."

What benefit does it have, if a man gains the whole world but loses his soul? What can man give in exchange for his soul? (Matthew 16:26



Enjoy your week sir/ma'am as you ride on Eagle's wing to victory.Greetings and love to all.

Trini girl or Reverend, watch yourself because you are heading for hell. Don't ever compromise the word of God. God cannot be joked with. My God is a consuming fire and he consumes the wicked. Every false doctrine will be accounted for on the judgement day.

Dont give the enemy space in your life, Jesus said that nothing unclean shall see God on that last day and the days are extremely evil.
Give your life to God and be saved. Sleeping with somebody that is not your husband or wife is Pure SIN. Except you repent you are heading to hell fire.

I'm a catholic