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lagbaja20:
The north is made up of different nations; and who decides how we split again?

The major ethnic groups of course. However, minority voices should be heard as well.

Kobojunkie:
Sigh!!! As expected . .     pretend English is suddenly a strange language rather than dealing with what is being asked of you.

You haven't learned how to debate. The way you debate is not actually interesting, but quite annoying. There are ways to get someone to debate with you, but the way you are going is not the right way.

ROSSIKE:
Can someone please translate what Kobojunkie is saying, cos I haven't a clue! 

That is why I ignore her post. She doesn't even know what she is talking about from time to time. Arguing for the sake of arguing. With these type of discussions, I have heard some passionate debates on both sides of the coin. However, I have not seen any.

"If the master's house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would. If the master got sick, the house Negro would say, "What's the matter, boss, we sick?" We sick! He identified himself with his master, more than his master identified with himself. And if you came to the house Negro and said, "Let's run away, let's escape, let's separate," the house Negro would look at you and say, "Man, you crazy. What you mean, separate? Where is there a better house than this? Where can I wear better clothes than this? Where can I eat better food than this?" That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a "house nigger." And that's what we call them today, because we've still got some house niggers running around here.

-Malcolm X

"This modern house Negro loves his master. He wants to live near him. He'll pay three times as much as the house is worth just to live near his master, and then brag about "I'm the only Negro out here." "I'm the only one on my job." "I'm the only one in this school." You're nothing but a house Negro. And if someone comes to you right now and says, "Let's separate," you say the same thing that the house Negro said on the plantation. "What you mean, separate? From America, this good white man? Where you going to get a better job than you get here?" I mean, this is what you say. "I ain't left nothing in Africa," that's what you say. Why, you left your mind in Africa.

— Malcolm X

Many people on the Politics section are House Negros. And they are the most dangerous of all Africans. They cross all tribal lines, and must be dealt with using extreme prejudice.

ROSSIKE:
lagbaja said:

A slave always thinks others who are not like him are 'stewpid'.

You are the type that the white man would corner in those days, and spoil with luxuries, to go and attack and capture other Africans for his slaveship.

Fela called your type, 'a man with low mentality'.

Just call her what she really is, that woman is a "house negro." Black Americans use this term, for those who believe the white man can do no wrong. Whenever I read her garbage, it makes me furious. Sometimes it is best to ignore the woman and continue with the debate.

"On that same plantation, there was the field Negro. The field Negroes — those were the masses. There were always more Negroes in the field than there were Negroes in the house. The Negro in the field caught hell. He ate leftovers. In the house they ate high up on the hog. The Negro in the field didn't get anything but what was left of the insides of the hog.
— Malcolm X

Let Nigeria split three or four ways. North, South-East, South-West, and Midwest. These are the nation states that should be created.

[quote author=Musiwa, link=topic=574561.msg7408656#msg7408656 date=1293311722]Ochi_Agha  
Where did you get that. Show us satellite pictures. The issue is the United nation envoy may have be tricked. this is africa and anything can happen.  so show me satellite pictures.[/quote]I should clarify and say that the Muslim population is higher than the Christian population. But that is due to immigration from other Muslim countries such as Mali and Burkina Faso. That Southern Christians have a problem with people who are not native to Cote D'ivoire.

Nigeria's Goodluck Jonathan pledges to find Jos bombers

Nigeria's president has said his government will do all it can to find those responsible for a string of bomb attacks that killed at least 32 people near the central city of Jos.

Goodluck Jonathan promised that the bombers would "face the law". No group has said it carried out the attacks.

The Christmas Eve blasts happened in an area where up to 1,000 people died in sectarian clashes this year.

The region straddles Nigeria's mainly Muslim north and the Christian south.

About 74 people were wounded in the bomb blasts. Some are in a critical condition.

In a separate development, at least six people died in attacks on churches by suspected Islamists in the north-eastern city of Maiduguri.

Speaking in the capital Abuja, President Jonathan said: "I assure all Nigerians that we shall unearth those behind the Jos bomb explosion and apprehend them to face the law."


A statement from his office added: "The president expressed sadness at explosions which killed many innocent Nigerians, Christians and Muslims alike."

Friday night's bomb explosions occurred during Christmas Eve celebrations in villages near Jos, police say.

Gregory Yenlong, a spokesman for Nigeria's Plateau state, told Bloomberg news agency that there had been threats "to disrupt Christmas celebrations in Jos".

Economic conflict
Past clashes have been between rivals gangs of Muslims and Christians, but observers say the underlying causes are economic and political rather than religious.

Muslims are generally from the Hausa- or Fulani-speaking communities. They are often nomadic people who earn a living from rearing animals or petty trade.

The mainly Christian Berom, Anaguta and Afisare groups have traditionally been farmers.

Some Christian farmers feel they are under threat, as Hausa-speaking Muslims come down from the north looking for pasture for their animals.

In Maiduguri, suspected Islamist sect members attacked at least two churches late on Friday.

In one incident, petrol bombs killed five people including a Baptist pastor, Reuters news agency reported.

A security guard at a nearby church died in a similar assault, Reuters added.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12079471

buzugee:
right right. merry xmas dude whats poppin at ya end ? turkey ? chicken ? edikangikong ?

Merry Christmas to you as well. I am getting ready to eat some Fried Turkey! Hmmmm good.

[quote author=Mr.Chyz link=topic=574561.msg7408495#msg7408495 date=1293309320]Who actually wone the elections though? If Gbagbo lost and there is proof than he should leave;however, how would the US stick its nose into a matter so quick?It seems like they are pressuring the guy into leaving instead of letting the people sort the discrepancy out out completely.[/quote]To be honest, I think Gbagbo lost the election. However, the people in the South overwhelmingly voted for Gbagbo, while the North voted overwhelmingly for Quatara. The North has a higher population than the South, so that is why Gbagbo lost. What we see here is another legacy of colonialism. This is what happens when you put people into a country that have nothing in common. No shared history nor a language. The fact that many people in south think that many Muslims in that country are foreigners from Burkina Faso doesn't help either.

[quote author=Mr.Chyz link=topic=574561.msg7408420#msg7408420 date=1293308436]Does anyone here know how the average Ivory Coast citizen feels about Gbagbo?[/quote]I heard he has wide support in the South. But in the North, they rather support their own. The fact that Gbagbo is a Christian and Quatara is a Muslim from the North is not making the situation any better. They have the same North/South issues like Nigeria as well. I have been to Abidjan, that city is large and beautiful at the same time.

buzugee:
so the people in the area cannot put strong wooden plank across the hole right ? typical Nigerian lethargy and apathy.

That is what I was wondering. At least put something there that is sturdy enough to protect Nigerians. You can't always wait for the Nigerian gov't to do something. At least put a cone there for goodness sake to allow motorist to know that a trap is waiting.

Kobojunkie sure does know how to ruin a thread, arguing for the sake of arguing without understanding the topic that is being discussed. To all those who have an open-mind, let us discuss this topic in great detail. Interference by external parties, remain a problem for most African nations. You would have thought the Wikileaked's documents would provide proof of their interference.

ROSSIKE:
Kobojunkie said:

Did it ever occur to you that the African Union may wittingly or otherwise, be playing a proxy role in this instance for western interests, since many of its presidents are themselves, fronts for those interests?

Thought not.

Like Ocha Agha said, you have an awful lot to learn about how the world operates.

No point arguing with her. What I have learned about her is that she argues for the sake of arguing. She adds no substance and the fact that she argues about things she doesn't know it quite amazing. Only a fool would speak about something they know nothing about. She probably can't even speak about the history of the country. I wonder if she even know the name Houphouët-Boigny and how it pertains to the history of Cote D'ivoire.

Neocolonialism is alive in well in Africa, and people need to realize it before it is too late. Multinational corporations are already buying up our mineral resources and our land.

Kobojunkie:
The white people again? Don't you folks get tired of this silly line or reasoning? Gbagbo's refusal of the initial election result was condemned by the AFRICAN UNION, but instead you want to point blame on the WHITE MAN? What is with this inferiority complex you keep convincing yourselves is sign of strength?

Why not ask your president to convince the African union which condemns his actions outright? When exactly did Angola promise to fight for Gbagbo's stance?

You are a fool, and know nothing about the international system that we find ourselves in. I do not say "white people," I say Western governments who continue to interfere with the internal processes of developing nations. This is a common occurrence. In Cote D'ivoire, the French are behind the scenes in their former colonial possession. They really haven't left and they continue to interfere with politics. Houphouët-Boigny was able to stay in power for so long, due to the French propping up his regime. Do not talk about something you do not know anything about. If you do not know much about the subject at hand, just listen and allow people who do comment. Thank you very much.

ROSSIKE:
As in ''Thank you Goodluck for suppoorting our IMF rigged-in imperialist stooge to carry out our nefarious program of economic dominance over your continent and its resources.

I owe you a drink Goodluck. Merry christmas''

Goodluck: ''But Barak, in this same Africa we have Egypt, whose president, Mubarak has been in power for the last 30 years, and blatantly rigged the last election, with the common wisdom being at this time that his son, Gamal Mubarak, is set to succeed him in the next ''elections''. But you are so friendly with Mubarak. In fcat the last time you visisted there, you addressed their parliament and even got taken on a tour of the pyramids. What accounts for your masters' double standards, Barak, since we know you are not the one making the real decisions in your imperialist country?''

Barak: (Brief grunt followed by a click of the phone hanging up)

Agreed. People are foolish to think that the West has Africa's best interest in heart. There is no sort of altruism in the West. They will only look out for their own interest. Africa needs to start looking out for its own interest, or it will continue to be exploited. Africa must wake up!

ikennahill:
ochi agha
china get a lot of ethnic tribes but they are organized

the west can be blamed but na them tell gbagbo not to leave after he failed

Actually you are wrong. China do have other ethnic groups, but the Han make up between 75-80% of the country. That is a very clear majority if you ask me. And no one ever hears about the minority ethnic groups in China, because they do not really have much of a say. Just ask the Tibetans and the Uighurs of Western China.

The West needs to learn how to stay out of other nation's sovereignty.

What are people's views concerning a Sovereign National Conference?

The Third World War will be fought on the African continent in order to attain the continent's natural resources. There is competition everywhere for Africa's resources and Africans are too silly not to realize this. Selling their land and minerals to the highest bidder.

Wow! She sacrificed her life for a subordinate. This woman should be given honor and praise for her selfless act. And RIP to the secretary as well. All preventable death if their were lifeguard on duty.

strangerf:
This is what an independent observer had to say:

Ife: The naturalistic works of sculpture created by the artists of the city of Ife,
which arose in the southwestern forested part of Nigeria about 800 CE,
are among the most remarkable in art history.

Not just in Africa, but in history. FYI, Ife arts rivaled that of the Greeks. Simply stated, we put Africa on the map of the world!

I wouldn't go that far if I was you. Ancient Kemet (Egypt) put Africa on the map, followed by Nubia and the ancient kingdom of Axum. A few kingdoms and empires that are the oldest in the world. And that was one person's view.  Historians like to exaggerate from time to time. Do not get me wrong, the Ife sculptures are one of a kind. But to say that they put Africa on the map is quite laughable.

strangerf:
Please put everything into context

I love modern airplanes, but I have nothing but absolute respect for the Wright brothers, they are the REAL geniuses that started it all.

Same can be said about the Yorubas. As the documentary showed, the Yorubas exported their technology to other parts of Africa, including Benin.

I do not mean any disrespect. However, compared to both the Igbo and Ife sculptures, Benin was in a league of its own. I have always been in awe of what the Benin Empire was able to accomplish. And this is from an unbiased perspective. I just love everything about ancient Benin Culture. I have this same respect for the Asante Confederacy as well and the Sokoto Caliphate.

strangerf:
Yeah, but that was developed years after Ife head was discovered, and according to oral tradition, prior to Yoruba art, there was nothing of that quality and ingenuity in Africa. There is no doubt that whatever the Igbos and Benins achieved, it was done with the help and tutelage of the Yorubas. Now, that does not necessarily make them superior, but it is something to think about

You really cannot compare 14th century BC creation to  9th century AD creation, can you?

You are actually wrong. Igbo-Ukwu is older than both Ife and Benin.

"The archaeological site at Igbo-Ukwu in modern-day Nigeria offers us great insight into the history of the country. The most critical of these contributions lay in the radiocarbon date for the artefacts from Igbo-Ukwu, the ninth-century CE, and the association of the artefacts with an extinct Igbo group, the Nri, and the expression of the artistic magnificence and technological skill related with the finds.[b] Since the above date made Igbo-Ukwu about three or four centuries earlier than the date established for Ife and Benin. [/b]In any case, it is clear from available evidence that the [b]Nri type of state that assembled the material culture recovered from Igbo-Ukwu is older than the Ife or Benin or Idah type of state in these parts. [/b]From the study of the archaeological remains, it became apparent not only that the Benin and Ife bronzes have little in common, but that the bronzes of Igbo-Ukwu, as well as others of the Benue valley, are independent of both Ife and Benin in style, notion, and implementation."

http://archaeologycurrentevents.com/archaeological-sites-igboukwu-4613585a

What I like the best are actually the Benin Bronze sculptures. I think these are truly works of art!

Very nice video! But why the one-upmanship? Yoruba culture should be celebrated, but that does not mean it superior to other cultures. Igbos have famous Igbo-Ukwu roped pots, which were created by the earliest smithers of copper and its alloys in West Africa.

The ones in Naija are much better looking. You are not the only one who has noticed this trend. Especially the ones in the village!

There is only one Chinua Achebe. Sorry

Residents of Jos spent the Christmas eve in fear after two devices went off almost simultaneously in different parts of the city last night.Time was 7:30 pm. Some people were feared dead but the exact number could not be immediately ascertained. One of the bombs went off at Gada Biya and the other at Angwan Rukuba junction, injuring scores of people. An eyewitness to the blast at Angwan Rukuba said human beings, cars and houses were seriously affected.
He claimed to have seen dismembered human parts littering the road and helped in conveying some of the injured to the Jos University Teaching Hospital, JUTH. About 10 people were said to have been taken to the hospital. Pandemonium followed the blasts with residents running helter skelter. Jos and some other parts of Plateau State have witnessed violence this year in which hundreds of people were killed.
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Ndi Igbo: I am seizing the opportunity to encourage my president and his team to educate Nigerians on the importance of a true federation. I believed strongly in the efficacy of true federalism because I am aware of the receivables. The administration should make use of investopedia which has a deep explanation of accruals. The words, comparative advantage were not invented for nothing. Lugard's experiment has failed. Verbun sat sapientia. We can either continue to live in denial and suffer this collective slow death or wake up and demand the overdue and inevitable Sovereign National Conference (SNC) by any means necessary.

-Ndi Igbo