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Leyqute:
Of course.

If they show that they can handle it, why not? There are a few examples of youth players that have shown that they can play a part at the time they were handed their debuts- Amad, Garnacho, Mainoo, Greenwood, and so on. Moving on from that to being a solid starter is another thing.

We are in need now more than ever. Obi must play.

afrodoc:
If you don’t know that Sunderland loan is what aided Amad’s growth.

When he was loaned to Scotland I used to tune in to watch Rangers games but he was poor most of the time.
When he went to Sunderland I used to watch their games and for the first few months he was just okay but over time he quietly developed into their best player by the 2nd half of the season.
If he was at United, fans would have already destroyed him and cussed him out in those first few months.

That Sunderland loan was incredibly important and great for Amad. He became visibly stronger and faster during that loan and he made his mistakes away from the spotlight.

Where ETH was foolish was when he refused to play Amad when he returned from that loan. But by that time Amad was 21 not a teenager anymore.

Amad has always played well with us, though not at this current level. He grew.

Trust was lacking.

afrodoc:
Obi deserves more time I agree.

Amass has played in many games this month despite sharing time with any young player in Dorgu who also needs time to develop.

Heaven has been injured.

Who are the academy players that you think are ready who are not getting enough time?

Obi and Collyer deserves more. Although Collyer has more minutes. I don't know if he's injured or something.

larride:
You have to understand that Hojlund is our only striker in the Europa League, the only competition we are putting all our hope and the mofo is misfiring, Amorim wants to keep playing him till he hit at least some form for the Europa League.

I do agree with you though that Obi should be seeing more minutes in the league now that Zirzkee is injured.

Hodjlund hit form? It will take a miracle.

spillo1:
You force your coach to give you consistent game time by performance in games and training. If you are not ready in training no coach will give you game time especially for young players with no experience.

LMFAO. Naso Ten Hag throw Amad go Sunderland because he was not ready.

afrodoc:
I side with you regarding Obi.

What I disagree with is the blanket statement that we don’t give youths a chance or don’t give academy players a chance.

This club historically and in recent times has always given its academy and other young players opportunities.


Specifically with Amorim he went really far with giving academy players opportunities in Sporting Lisbon so I will give him the benefit of the doubt and give some more time on this issue.

If he has not been sacked next season and academy players are still not getting good minutes, then I will blame him.

I do not think he's giving them enough time

delkuf:
what is your criteria for being ready. Tell me us how do a player become ready

Will he be able to tell you?

delkuf:
you are putting yoro into the equation of academy player. Why do man u buy him with such amount

Baba dey muzz me.

Someone that was a regular first team starter in his former team

Leyqute:
Just look at our attack. Inexperience boku everywhere. We’ve been playing yoots and relying on them for years. Playing youths is not an issue, but it’s wrong to keep fielding them when it’s clear that they’re not delivering.

Garnacho and Mainoo have had too many minutes under their belt. That heavy workload is bound to affect their progress somehow. If not, Januzaj would have been a United legend by now. And Garnacho wouldn’t have regressed.

Instead of buying experienced players in their prime, and supplement them with a couple of trailblazing youth players, we buy those who are about to fall off a cliff, pair them with useless senior players, and ping all our hopes on academy newbies to bail us out.

Now I'm not advocating for always using young players.

But when the case arises, you make do with what you have, in our own case, Obi is need. Did you see the graph I uploaded?

Leyqute:
Odizeey, you’re citing Skelly and Nwanneri as perfect examples, but Arsenal don’t rely heavily on them.

Skelly is the only starter of the duo, and that’s because of his talent. Arsenal still have tons of options for that position. And Nwanmeri will always be on the bench if Saka is fit for any EPL or UCL game.

Where is United’s Saka for Garnacho? Where is United’s Saka for Hojlund, Amass and the likes?

We have enough inexperienced players on the pitch already (especially in attack, which is the major reason we’re in a mess). More inexperienced players on the pitch won’t solve our problems— unless they’re extremely talented and it’s clear that they can handle the stress and deliver.

We don't need to rely on ours also. Give them minutes they can build on. Or just leave them in their comfort zone

afrodoc:
We have been talking about and mentioning young and in particular teenage players in the club.

Marc Guiu that you listed come from Chelsea academy ?

abeg! Abeg!! ABEG!!!

I said go back and strategise.

Next question.

baba dey compare person wey them use 58 million to person wey them use 6 million buy. 🤣
Person wey Madrid dey drag

afrodoc:
You want to prove a club is giving teenagers a chance and you went to bring a club giving its teenagers 100-200 minutes in Carabao Cup and Conference League when our own teenagers are clocking 1500-2000 mins in Premier League, Europa League.

Go back and strategise.

Baba this your cap no go pass. Because what people were saying is Amorim not using boys from the academy.
Yoro and Mainoo come from academy this season?

Abeg abeg

spillo1:
If you are talking about academy players debuting this season I am certain we have had more than Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool etc . Apart from Skelly who else debuted for Arsenal?

See. Just go on and read.

spillo1:
He still played majority of the season as a teenager. Your argument was giving teenagers minutes.

That's not my argument. That's why you need to read instead of jumping into arguments like a cave diver

spillo1:
You have nothing to say. They are not getting league games because they are not ready. Simple as abc.

Okay. Thank you sir.

afrodoc:
Firstly, Mainoo played 7 months of this season as a teenager or how old was he from August to March?

Secondly, how many Carabao Cups did we play under Amorim?

Thirdly, all games count but top level games like Champions League, Premier League, Europa League games count more than Carabao Cup and Conference League qualifiers.

Mainoo has been part of the senior team since last season, scoring in the FA cup final. He's left the academy since. He's not particularly of the convo.

Minutes don dey get different name?🤣

spillo1:
A ready player would get league games. Why are they not getting league games?

This monochrome style of argument you want to bring won't work with me. Go meet someone else. I no be that kind of guy.

spillo1:
Maino became 20 this month. How exactly was he not a teenager?

some that has been playing since last two seasons. He's part of our first team players already.

If you don't understand the argument, go back and read.

spillo1:
If they were ready they will be getting league games just like Skelly but they aren't.

If you guys want to start turning amala and hitting on league games, then I'm out. Good luck.

afrodoc2:
Guiu with 70 mins in the league while almost all Chelsea fans are lamenting and cursing Nicolas Jackson.

Tyrique George with 97 mins in the league while all Chelsea fans are lamenting about Freedom Fighter, Mukaila, and Neto.

Acheampong with 169 minutes in the league.

Lenny Yoro with 1067 minutes in the league
Kobbie Mainoo with 1308 minutes in the league as a teenager.


(Guiu+ George+ Acheampong league minutes) x 3 < Yoro league minutes

Next question.

First, don't limit it to league games. If these boys played carabao and uel games, no one would complain.

Second, don't add Mainoo. Mainoo is not a teenager please.

afrodoc2:
Amass is at the point Skelly was 6 months ago. In 6 months' time you can come back to complain.

Skelly and Nwaneri are also outliers. You can't use them to prove your case when there are 20 teams in the league.

At that point he was getting consistent minutes progressively

spillo1:
If they are ready like you claimed why are they are not getting minutes in the league but only in conference league against league 1 opposition?

We only play league games. I get.

afrodoc2:
It just goes to show that Skelly is ready. They are also not age mates and are not from the same England set.

Meanwhile Skelly was born in 2006 and Amass was born in 2007.


Skelly made his Arsenal debut 3 days before his 18th birthday. Amass made his United debut on his 18th birthday.

To-Mah-Toe
To-May-Toe

Next question.

Here we go again. They are not ready. 🤣🤣
Bro. Skelly is just 6 months older. Hehehe.

BTW, I even thought Collyer was a teen. 🤣🤣 I been dey give Una free points.

spillo1:
None of those players have up to 200minutes in the league.

Na league we dey talk?

Chose to ignore my previous posts.
It's not about tiny bits of minutes. It's about sufficient minutes these guys can build on.
Look at this clown of a player called Hodlund in this chart. I bet you'll struggle to find him.

Skelly and Amass na age mate o. Skelly has 1800 minutes. Amass has 186. Skelly's minutes dwarfs all united teenagers minutes combined bar Yoro. And that Yoro was bought for huge money sef.

afrodoc2:
200 minutes are poverty-stricken, abi? Name 3 Chelsea teenagers with more than 200 poverty-stricken minutes.

Guiu, George, Achempong. All have over 500 minutes. They are the ones with potentials and they have been given sufficient time.

Mind you, Chelsea don't even need them like that cos they have a full squad.

Talking about minutes, Leny Yoro is the only teenager with more than 500 minutes. Go and check what Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham are giving their teens. The next teen was less than 500 minutes (Collyer). The next should be Heaven with about 200 minutes. Then Amass, less than 200 minutes. Poverty striken minutes.

Analysing situations and taking actions based on where you find yourself is key.

I saw that these losses would come and suggested here (even though we don't get heard sha) that Amorim should deploy a laid back tactics that minimizes the goals we concede. Because it was obvious that our backline is leaking and we don't have attackers to score goals to cover for that. Situational analysis.

If there was a competition at the bottom like other times, we would have probably being battling relegation. Situational analysis.

Why will a Liverpool pick a cutlass when they have a machine gun? We have a cutlass and we are holding on to a knife. Situational analysis.

The minutes Arsenal gave their two young boys are more than we gave all our academy players combined. That's to tell you they are giving those boys minutes for props.
Put your blood on this P

Leyqute:
How many points separates you from Southampton?

You want to win like Liverpool and Man City with young players even though those two teams never relied on their academy. You’d make a splendid football technical director.

The all knowing super paid technical directors loaned out first team players and decided to buy two young defenders.

I think I'll do a better job.

We have to face situations as needs arise not because other people do it or not.

afrodoc:
Amass has played 3 of our past 4 games.

Can you list the clubs that are using more teenagers or giving them more minutes than us?

We loaned out great senior players who were not playing great football. It comes down to the same thing. Our useless senior players are placing undue pressure that other youth players are not facing on our own youth players. They will play when they are assessed to be ready to play.

I will never forget how when Januzaj made the team senior pros were passing the ball to him every minute of the match like they were not paid to play football as well.

Once again, they are not given reasonable minutes. Putting them in dead minutes. Especially those in critical areas of need. Take Miles Skelly and Nwaneri as examples.

When Barcelona was hit with injuries, Barcelona gave about 8 teenagers minutes. 3 of them played over 1.5k plus minutes. Because they were needed in those critical areas.

It's not about giving scattered minutes here and there and asking which team gave more minutes when we all know United force managers to give minutes so they can post on twitter that they give youths chance. 🤣🤣

My focal point has always being Obi. I care less about other areas, because we need him in that position for now.

Leyqute:
The Leicesters and Southamptons that got relegated, why didn’t they play their 17 year olds since their seniors were underperforming?

We don turn Southampton abi?

See talk.

Did they loan out players like we did or have injury records like us?