₦airaland Forum

masseratti:
we are already calling them out, if they born their papa well they should wear a crown to a Yoruba kingdom and you will see the kind of thrashing they will receive, bunch of scums.

What's your problem.

As from today, by the power conferred on me by myself, you are now to be addressed as:

Oonimasseratti of Naples, Italy.


If you want to add I, II or III, that's totally up to you.

wowcatty:
Shut it already! You are triple obnoxious and disgusting. Whatever feeling you have should naturally rot in your gut. Ko ni da fun iyalaya e if you don't block me. Who cares what you think, your fantasy can only be lived out anonymously on faceless forum,. You will still go back to be the real failure you are, and an attention seeking whcre who 'd rather be someone else instead of your hopeless self.

Baba n la sa laro ni were yi sha

It seems like you enjoy trolling . . . I hope you find what you are looking for.

I hope you get laid before it is too late. . . It will do you a world of good.

OgboAto:
Damn, I give up at this point.

You mean to say the cult of Mithras [Zoroastrainism] and the Egyptian cult of Horus both which predates Abrahamic cult by hundreds of years copied from the Jewish cult?

Did you see the part where the author said that Christianity and Mithra share similarities because Persian army invaded Italy - the seat of Roman Catholicism and as such, the alegories/stories of Mithra diffused into Christianity?
O o ni brains mehn.




Read further.

Egbon, no need to insult. Tao hasn't been very polite, professional, and objective. We can disagree on analysis, but he/she has been very very objective.

I know you are not Katsumoto because Kat's is strictly a historian.

Now back to Ikedu.

The Ikedu stuff, assuming it once existed, wasn't written down? All the academic sources I have read, mostly Adepegba and Blier referred to it as oral history.

Still early Yorubas did not write anything down, it seems?

Do you have references?

PFRB:
So nothing wrong happened in the west.?

We don't cheat

This ooni guy dey fall my hand.

Is he looking for contract ni?

This ooni guy dey fall my hand.

Is he looking for contract ni?

Thief, trying to pull a fast one

I give myself

Oonirisa of Abilene, Texas.

Thanks.

So what!

Shayo pastor

wowcatty:
And the yadayada litany continues.Why not answer your own question if you know it and if they are different from mine? Asking questions you yourself don't know the answer to shows you are a hypocrite. You are still saying the same thing and will keep getting the same response.

Before you claim knowledge highground, you need to be on it first, you have no idea what you are talking about, just trashy sound bite-filled nonsense.

Yoruba ancient communities have always have Obas and then Abores, and you can't because of modern day shame of being looked down by different religions now bolt away from traditions of Ooni being a priest, usurping Alaafin, it will never work. You will just continue to divide Yoruba because some people can't sit by and watch such injustice take footholds. My great grandmother time knew Alaafin to be Oba and Ooni to be Abore, and no modern day phenomenon will change the fact that Awolowo just did his friend and fellow Orisa adherent Ooni Aderemi, a favor by passing over Alaafin to make him the governor general. That was just a bump in the road, not here to stay, the old Alaafin may be quite but a young one won't and that's when you will know that swapping positions is dangerous.

If Abore tradition is no longer needed, then scrap it, we already have emperical paramount Oba, alase ekeji Orisa Alaafin, not propaganda bootleg oba who has turned his shrine office to a palace just cos of envy of Alaafin.

Get your head out or your ass, your dumb propaganda will only work on those who don't know their history and willing to learn. Ww will never see Ooni as Oba let alone a senior Oba, he's Ooni, an Abore. Propaganda se ti.

You are very annoying and puerile. Very incoherent as well. You are either immature or underdeveloped. Either way, you need to start acting more mature or I will block you from ever being able to post on this board.

Follygunners:
Yorubas envy Igbos? How can Bill Gates envy Otedola?

Hillarious isnt it

What is there to envy? Their lack of culture? Lack of civilization? Lack of political power? Lack of business acumen? Lack of technological advancement? Self-destructive attitude?

Their level of grandiosity is unlike any I have ever seen in clinical practice.

Follygunners:
Dude, nobody hates other tribes, what we Yorubas are doing is putting you pigs back to your penury. Simple.

A pig doesn't belong in the house but penury!

Okoyeebo and Ijebuwarrior... you're indeed my hero, I swear!

These people are so stupid, its outstanding.

They worry too much about us when we really don't lose sleep about them.

We only care about making our lives and home better.

They go out slaving away in a foreign land forgetting that they are mere visitors. We will chase them out when we decide to.

Instead of appreciating our hospitality, they chest beat and they expect us to not react? Thats why they get beat in India, SA, Indonesia, Kenya, USA etc.

TAO11:
Thank you bro. I read this scholarly academic material recently. It's highly highly informative.

I have really learnt a lot from your posts. Still difficult to believe you are not Katsumoto. LOL Thank you!

I got into this stuff recently because I really wanted to know the truth about Yoruba history. I really didn't care if we were the dumbest or the most civilized. Just the truth. I have learned so much. The biggest problem is that our forefathers did not write anything down, Not sure why? SO unfortunate for such an advanced civilization.

The more I read about Yoruba history, especially the works of Clapperton, Bascom, Fagg, Dmitri etc, the prouder I am of the culture. The only dark spot is the Atlantic Slave Trade. I think our forefathers effed up big time. Do you think out forefathers sold fellow Yorubas to outsiders? How did they decide who to sell? Any insight? I read Ijesas were captured and sold because they speak in a funny way; Ijesa became corrupted as Ije Oosa (Oosa's food) lol. Hence, the justification to sell them. So sad!!!

samuk:
Don't quote me out of context. If you must quote me, do so completely. Yes Oranmiya ruled in Benin briefly as the grandson of Benin last Ogiso Owodo. Ogiso Owodo was the father of Oduduwa. This is what the Benin accept.

This version of history is relatively new and self-serving.

There are no their records made before the early 1970s (Akinola 1976:21-36; Aisien 1995:18), while among common people the story of Ekaladerhan that ends with the Prince's banishing from Benin and subsequent dethronement of his father, the last Ogiso Owodo, is known (and was recorded hundred years ago) (Roth 1903: 53-54; Emovon 1981: 268-70, 275-76). There is no doubt that the apocryphal versions are not ancient and are not popular. Their authors are representatives of the nationalistically-minded part of the Bini intelligentsia who are seeking to ground the idea of an exceptional antiquity for their people and claims for its exclusive part in the sociopolitical life of independent Nigeria (Akinola 1976:21-36; Otite 1977: 45; Kochakova

Advent of the Second (Oba) Dynasty: Another Assessment of a Benin History Key Point
Author(s): Dmitri M. Bondarenko
Source: History in Africa, Vol. 30 (2003), pp. 63-85
Published by: Cambridge University Press
Accessed: 12-05-2019 03:45 UTC

wowcatty:
Empty epistle from a jobless swine. You must be insane if you expect me to answer the way you want. I repeat, answer your own question if you know what you are saying and then compare with my last post, but you would rather keep going in circle like a hamster on wheel.

To even think that Alaafin would bow to Ooni of all people makes you a cuckoo.

Your kind is the reason roadside bloggers and cheap columnists are still in business because you swallow headlines hook, line and sinker. Just about any picture can be captioned with title to hoodwink you cos you are gullible.

You do not expect Alaafin to respond to something as frivolous as that from the public, do you? You will still be one of those who would call him agbaya if he did all because you want to put Ooni where he doesn't belong.

No matter what, a dog will never become a horse. Araba ni baba, eni a ba l'aba ni baba, Alaafin is the paramount ruler or Yorubaland. Ooni is not an Oba but an Abore who is trying to upstage his superior but as they say, lala to r'oke ile lo nbo. You can't fake royalty, it will always end the way of the disgraced former Ooni.

Keep spewing your frustration out, I'll pick anything new in it and respond, and send the rest to your throat garbage disposal.

Since you are a picture whcre, I found you one where Ooni is bowing to emperor or Oba Amosun as normally seen in your twisted mind.

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You probably got this from Samuel Johnson's book. The book is flawed. How can Alaafin be the supreme king, when Ife is the cradle; doesn't even make any sense.

In 1901 an Ijebu man found it necessary to make an emphatic declaration on Yoruba
history:
I deny that Oyo is the capital city of Yoruba land. Ife, the cradle home of the whole Yorubas and the land of the deified Oduduwa, has been recognised by every interior tribe (including Benin and Ketu) for all intents and purposes as the capital city.

Source:
C.A. Sapara Williams, speaking to the Lagos Institute. Quoted in J. Herskovits, "The Sierra
Leoneans of Yorubaland," in P.D. Curtin (ed.), Africa and the West (Madison, 1972), p. 82n

wowcatty:
Empty epistle from a jobless swine. You must be insane if you expect me to answer the way you want. I repeat, answer your own question if you know what you are saying and then compare with my last post, but you would rather keep going in circle like a hamster on wheel.

To even think that Alaafin would bow to Ooni of all people makes you a cuckoo.

Your kind is the reason roadside bloggers and cheap columnists are still in business because you swallow headlines hook, line and sinker. Just about any picture can be captioned with title to hoodwink you cos you are gullible.

You do not expect Alaafin to respond to something as frivolous as that from the public, do you? You will still be one of those who would call him agbaya if he did all because you want to put Ooni where he doesn't belong.

No matter what, a dog will never become a horse. Araba ni baba, eni a ba l'aba ni baba, Alaafin is the paramount ruler or Yorubaland. Ooni is not an Oba but an Abore who is trying to upstage his superior but as they say, lala to r'oke ile lo nbo. You can't fake royalty, it will always end the way of the disgraced former Ooni.

Keep spewing your frustration out, I'll pick anything new in it and respond, and send the rest to your throat garbage disposal.

Since you are a picture whcre, I found you one where Ooni is bowing to emperor or Oba Amosun as normally seen in your twisted mind.


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Not true at all. The Alaafin is being dishonest with his revision of Yoruba history. Secondly, the Alaafin is ruling over a dead empire. The current Oyo is not the great Oyo empire.



The origin of the conflict may more appropriately be credited to the British, who cannot be absolved of double-dealing in their methods of colonial rule. Despite the fact that the sovereignty of each of the Yoruba kingdoms was recognized by the series of treaties signed between each of them and the British before any agreement was ever signed with Oyo, another treaty, signed in 1893, acknowledged
the Alaafin as the overall ruler of Yorubaland.

The origin of the latter treaty lay in the British desire to gain direct access to the trade of Ibadan, which was being denied by the Ijebu and the Egba, with the support of Ife (Ijebu had been an ally of Ife since the Owu war). Ibadan recognized the overlordship of the Alaafin despite its military strength, but simultane-ously supported the British when Ijebu-Ode was attacked. The British needed Ibadan trade as much as Ibadan needed British arms. So the British rewarded their allies; hence the treaty recognizing the overall headship of Oyo in Yorubaland was signed. It is possible that since the British first dealt with the Egba, who had just fought and won their independence from Oyo, they logically thought
that the Great Oyo empire covered all of Yorubaland.

No sooner was the treaty signed than the error of having accepted the Alaafin as the supreme ruler of Yorubaland was discovered. This might have arisen from the desire to build indirect rule on historic foundations.

In a confidential dispatch on the order of precedence of the Yoruba rulers to the governor of Lagos, a British Resident of Oyo Province, H. L. Ward Price, noted that various Yoruba rulers used to make false claims before British officials on the matter and that he had ample evidence that the Ooni was the leading chief

The British were then faced with a dilemma. To go back on what they had done was distasteful. But the reality of the situation forced them to turn to the Ooni on certain issues involving tradtional rulers even outside Oyo Province.


Source:
The Descent from Oduduwa: Claims of Superiority among Some Yoruba Traditional Rulers
and the Arts of Ancient Ife
Author(s): Cornelius O. Adepegba
Source: The International Journal of African Historical Studies, Vol. 19, No. 1 (1986), pp.
77-92
Published by: Boston University African Studies Center

samuk:
Benin got to know of Ife because Oduduwa (Imadoduwa in Benin language) was a Benin prince who was then the king at Ife. When Benin chiefs got to Ife to request him to come back to Benin after the death of the last Ogiso Owodo who was Oduduwa's father, the Benin spoke Benin to him and he understood because he was a Benin prince. He refused to return to Benin sitting old age and instead sent his son Oranmiyan.

So he was ruling over a group of people whose language he does not understand?


There is no direct evidence in Ife itself of the date when the brasses and terra-cottas were made, but there is evi-dence from Benin. D'Aveiro, who visited Benin City in 1485, reported that on the accession of an Oba of Benin, the new Oba had to send ambassadors to the Oni of Ife to request confirmation in office. To signify his agreement, the Oni sent back a brass hat, staff, and pectoral cross. Thus, we know that brass objects were being made in Ife and sent to Benin already when the first Europeans visited Benin. Another tradition records that the head of the late Oba was sent to Ife for burial and that a brass head was sent back in return to place on the altar dedicated to his memory. The Oba Oguola, who reigned towards the end of the Fourteenth Century, asked if the Oni could not send a brass-smith to teach the craft to his people. Igue-Igha went, and he is worshipped to this day in Benin as the patron of the brass-smiths. This tradition means that brass- casting must have been flourishing in Ife already before the late Fourteenth Century. How long before is a matter of guesswork, but it seems likely that the brasses were not made over a very long period since they appear to be the work of only two or three artists. We may assume then that
brass-casting in Ife flourished during the Twelfth to Four-teenth Centuries, but it may have begun earlier and con-
tinued later.



Source:
IFE in Nigerian Art
Author(s): Frank Willett
Source: African Arts, Vol. 1, No. 1 (Autumn, 1967), pp. 30-35+78
Published by: UCLA James S. Coleman African Studies Center


1. Why would Benin need confirmation from Ooni if they were not under political control from Ife?

The Benin story doesn't make sense at all. And I do not understand why Edo folks are fighting the true story. Even in present day Nigeria, Yorubas are way more advanced than Edos. It made sense that Edos would worship us for our awesomeness lol

mkpurumma090:
Please how can I delete posts?

Good morning

Click modify, and use backspace on your keyboard to delete

Affirmative action

I am going through the same thing right now.


Men, stop helping women

WHat a man can do, a woman can do better. If you see a woman in need, let her sort it out.

Ijawwomaninoyo:
Somebody was disqualified due to age before.
Why waste his time and stress his brain for the exam when he will do nothing with the result?

I think they should stop allowing primary 4 pupils to write Common Entrance exams and secondary intakes should be 10 or 11.

Congratulations to him.

That would have stifled me

Such is life

mmadu5:
Oya na I double dare you to close all igbo shops in computer and see what happens. Wetin yoruba people dey do for computer village self cos the entire place is run by igbos . In fact your people for that place na fake phones them dey sell majority of them are touts looking for people to defraud with yam phones we rule the world .

Continue to rule the world in your head . We will continue to rule you in real life.

Yoighaman:
So what are the benefits of being the Iya Oloja?

None really; just another way for Yorubas to chest beat. And that my friend, is enough for us.

Mitsurugi:
Shut up! Nigerians are round the world winning political offices in foreign countries you're here forming local champion. You can die with your Lagos. Your passion. Your focus. Your business.

Yeeibos own Lagos so na you go die with Lagos.

What's the point of winning political offices abroad if you home is nothing to write about. You guys suffer from masss delusion.

Evangkatsoulis:
How do they measure Visuo-spatial reasoning(important for STEM) or verbal abilities or pattern recognition and logic? I don't really think it is a gifted school as advertised'

We only have one. It's in Suleja. Not world class obviously, but very few Nigerians appreciate esoteric skills like visuospatial reasoning, logic, etc

Even in JAMB, most Nigerians think it is our equivalent of SAT, which it is not, visuospatial skill is not tested. Logic is not tested outrightly. Even the maths section is purely rote. The verbal section tested is a joke, compared to the SAT.

But you can only give what you have, most people think these exams are hard because they have not been adequately prepared for them.

Yiibos are going to be so angry, they will start heading back to the East in droves starting from now and the economy of Lagos will be crippled as a result.








The only problem is Yeeibos have no where to go! They will huff and puff and eventually they will accept their fate; that in Yorubaland, a Yoruba man or woman will always be in charge.

Evangkatsoulis:
But wait. How do these 'gifted schools' get gifted students? Why genuine iq tests or do they use an arbitrary definition of giftedness?

We do a federally administered exam after primary school. They just pick the best students, based on scores!

The exam is knowledge based, prioritizing rote over critical thinking skills. The ask questions like : who is the secretary general of the UN? What's the meaning of ECOWAS etc

Also, there is a lot of corruption cos it's free if you are admitted so parents go all out to help their children, by hook or by crook.

Trustme2:
My Niece scored 289 phy chem Bio Eng. Intending to study Medicine at University of Ibadan. Any hope?

No hope. He needs 340. Tell him you start preparing for the next jamb ASAP