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Courz:
Actually, Any translation that helps you to understand the Bible is good.

As for Fred Franz, don't mind that fraud JWs were worshipping. He lied that he knew Greek abi Hebrew yet he couldn't translate when asked to. Is that not why Watchtower refused to release the names of the JW Bible translation team? Fred Franz's nickname was The Oracle. The name should tell you what Watchtower was doing. Spiritism. Fred Franz was the one who came up with the prediction of 1975. So, if he was still alive, he would have concocted more outrageous predictions plus doctrines.

Do you know that Fred Franz kicked against the formation of the Governing body during a convention? The JWs in the convention were confused. He said the formation of a Governing body is not Biblical. Because he was President of Watchtower and needed all the power but some Watchtower officials needed power too, there was a tussle. This just shows that the doctrines of JWs depend on the person or people in Leadership. If these Governing body die off, a new leadership will come up with another set of doctrines again.

I listen to his talk refuting the GB stuff(it's available on YouTube)
He had a very sound reasoning and argument.
Had it been someone said that today, he'll be disfellowshiped immediately.
New witnesses will even think it's apostate propaganda not knowing it's their former president who gave such a talk

cornelboy:
You didn't answer the question na.

The 12 disciples and the early church were the first true worshipers Jesus testified. They did worship God in spirit and truth, they preached the gospel to other places as Jesus commissioned them untill the Catholic took over the church by force.
The true worshipers were killed and pure doctrines of the church were distorted.

Now the JWs are here and are taking pure worship back as it were in the early church.
They are the true worshipers we have today.

If it's not the JWs then Christianity, religion, Bible are scams. Everyone should stop believing in God.

What evidence do you have to make such a bogus claim?
So you mean that throughout the centuries there has been no true worshiper?
That True Worshipers were only members of Russell's I.B.S.A movement with JW being one of the breakaway groups?
Remember Jesus parable about the weed and the wheat. The Weed will overpower the wheat but both will grow together until the harvest time.
That is when Christ comes and then we know who is who
Concerning the Bible portion I qouted, I think the article on JW.org gave a satisfactory explanation
Concerning this your statement:
"If it's not the JWs then Christianity, religion, Bible are scams. Everyone should stop believing in God."
*First and foremost the Bible you are holding contains a collection of books which was decided by the council of the Church fathers (the ones you called counterfeit Christian) to be part of Scripture.
*The name your bearing "JEHOVAH" was invented by a Catholic monk Raymond is Martini.
*The master text for the NWT is based on the works of Christendom scholars Wescott and Hort.
*The doctrine of 1914, 607, Invisible presence came from an Adventist evangelist Nelson Barbour.
And a whole lot of other things, what I'm trying to say is that we are indebted to each other.
WT organization can't claim absolute truth and knowledge when they are clearly benefitng from the hard work of others (who they term as Christendom).
No man is an ISLAND, a lot of teachings by the WTs were already believe by other people at some point in history.

achorladey:
To avoid them come saying I am putting out misinformation, lies, half truths, maligning the organization. I have to cite or reference their materials. They find it difficult to counter that.

They will just runaway
And good a think the publication was recent
Cus if you qouted an older publication they will shout "old light"

OgaNightmare:
I finally came to a conclusion that the GB don't even believe what the teach.
The UN is being identified as the wild beast of Revelation and it is called a disgusting thing that will be destroyed at Armageddon. The churches that join UN as NGO'S were being condemned and liable to Eternal Destruction.
But in 1992 the same WTBTS became a member of the abominable UN. The disgusting thing
*The screenshot is fresh, I just took it a few minutes ago, One is from the UN official website. If you need the link I'll give you immediately.
*The second is from the Elder Manual Shepherd the flock of God with guidelines on how to treat a member of the church who takes a non-neutral stand.
Neutrality is being stressed time and again by the witnesses, but the GB themselves "The guardians of Doctrine (According to Geof.Jackson) did not keep their neutral stand.
So according to the guideline in the STF book the should be disassociated and no longer be called Witnesses of Jehovah.
This is what are Lord Jesus warned about, people who will Lord over the flock at Luke 11:46
And he said, “Woe to you lawyers also! For you load people with burdens hard to bear, and you yourselves do not touch the burdens with one of your fingers."

If you think the UN is lying, then The Watchtower has every right and power to sue them for libel and slander. And believe me they will come out victorious.
But no action has been taken which should tell you something

I finally came to a conclusion that the GB don't even believe what the teach.
The UN is being identified as the wild beast of Revelation and it is called a disgusting thing that will be destroyed at Armageddon. The churches that join UN as NGO'S were being condemned and liable to Eternal Destruction.
But in 1992 the same WTBTS became a member of the abominable UN. The disgusting thing
*The screenshot is fresh, I just took it a few minutes ago, One is from the UN official website. If you need the link I'll give you immediately.
*The second is from the Elder Manual Shepherd the flock of God with guidelines on how to treat a member of the church who takes a non-neutral stand.
Neutrality is being stressed time and again by the witnesses, but the GB themselves "The guardians of Doctrine (According to Geof.Jackson) did not keep their neutral stand.
So according to the guideline in the STF book the should be disassociated and no longer be called Witnesses of Jehovah.
This is what are Lord Jesus warned about, people who will Lord over the flock at Luke 11:46
And he said, “Woe to you lawyers also! For you load people with burdens hard to bear, and you yourselves do not touch the burdens with one of your fingers."

tctrills:
After reading from Templee333, I have come to believe that JW members need our love and understanding. Their doctrine may not be correct but the believe it with all their soul. Most of them are good people who are trying their best to follow Jesus Christ.

They are my people,"Love is a perfect Bond of union" I stand to gain nothing hating any religion or it's members, I have nothing against them. It's just the leadership denying the basic teachings of the Christian Church and twisting the scriptures (The same thing they accuse Christendom of doing).

Courz:
New Living Translation. You have no idea how much this translation opened my eyes. There are other translations as good as this one. Once you start using these translations, you will understand why you never quite understood certain verses in the JW Bible. You will see their deception.

I'm currently using BSB(Beroean Study Bible) and William Barclay Study Bible
However I like enjoying variety so I use studylight to check varied renderings of Bible text fr different translations.
None of the Translators of NWT knew koine Greek only Fred Franz (He didn't complete his studies) he left college in his first year.
He was self taught in Hebrew.
During the Walter Walsh trial he was place under oath to translate a particular verse, my guy talk sey him no fit
Anyway I'm not mocking them, just saying the facts.
I think if the org has like 5Fred Franz among the GB today most of this their teachings like "Overlapping generation" will have long been discarded

I think Archoladey has put everything in order
He was even using Watchtower Publications to prove the point raised
Which makes me wonder why the so-called apostates know more than Zealots and fanatics like Maximus
An apostate knows your organization more than you
E choke

Courz:
Spot on. I can't count how many times I have quoted this scripture to JWs. Unfortunately, what you said will fly over their heads because what the Samaritan woman said in John 4 vs 20 is exactly what JWs do and Jesus corrected her in verse 21. The Jews and the Samaritans have different religious beliefs and each believe they are better/superior to the other. JWs don't understand that verse. Watchtower gave JWs a different interpretation. When you read many translations, you will understand exactly what Jesus was saying. Jesus explained why the Jews believe in what they believe in BUT a time is coming, in fact that time is already now, that where you worship will no longer matter because true worshippers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. Place of worship no longer matters. God is no longer placing importance on physical buildings/denominations as long as people worship him in Spirit and in truth and these are the people he is looking for. He is not looking for people who place importance on denominations/place of worship and this is where JWs/Watchtower have failed. They are doing the opposite of what Jesus is saying. God is looking for people who worship him in the spiritual sense not in the physical sense that involves attachment to physical buildings. This is very easy to understand when you are spiritually awake but JWs don't understand it as they don't read the Bible in context to understand it.

Your Bible Translation is much simpler and direct
Which translation is this?

Courz:
Thank you for this comprehensive explanation of the scriptures about Salvation, Jews, Gentiles and the Lord's evening meal. You did your homework well. This is how to read and understand the Bible. Can you see that the explanation you gave is very easy to understand, moreso when you read these verses in as many translations as possible? Not that twisted JW NWT Bible? Watchtower says eating and drinking the emblems is doing so Unworthily as in you're not worthy. Very twisted interpretation. Paul mentioned Unworthily or consuming them in an unworthy manner without them remembering the essence of what the emblems stand for. The emblems are not avenues to overeat and overdrink. They represent the Blood and body of Christ so they must be treated with respect for Christ. When you read those verses in context, Paul went on to explain what he meant by consuming them Unworthily. He was actually saying they were eating and drinking heavily without considering others who eventually see nothing to eat and drink. Gluttony. Greed. Since health care had not developed to the stage we are in now at the time of Paul, overeating could cause problems for people and make them sick and die when there are no drugs to treat them. He even said they should wait for one another so that others can see Bread and wine to eat and drink and if anyone is hungry, he or she should eat at home first before coming. Watchtower never reads these parts where Paul was explaining what he meant. They just read a few verses, twist and scatter everything and form a doctrine on that because they have an agenda. Intelligent people read the Bible in context to understand the Bible not isolated verses like Watchtower does. Watchtower's interpretation of those verses to prevent JWs from being adopted sons of God and consuming the emblems is nothing but inspiration from Demons since Satanists don't eat and drink the emblems signifying rejection of Jesus's Sacrifice. Jesus already said if you want everlasting life, if you want to be resurrected, you must eat and drink the emblems else you get nothing. He said Anyone. Not Anointed. Not Great Crowd. Anyone.

Thanks for the additional material

cornelboy:
What's your religion na?

John:4.23
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

MaxInDHouse:
Apostates often catch them due to their being half-baked in knowledge!

Jesus openly declared that he only came for Israelites {Matthew 24:15} Zechariah said people from other nations will hold onto the skirt of Jews {Zechariah 8:23} and Jesus chose 12 Apostles all Jews and Apostles Paul also a Jew as and Apostle for the nations! Act 9:15

When John saw the lamb on mouth Zion it was with the 144,000 only {Revelations 14:1} others were later noticed just as Jesus said:

“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd" John 10:16

The kingdom will be given to a little flock {Luke 12:32} this are his spiritual brothers that all others must attach to if they want salvation {Matthew 25:34-40} all those who failed to acknowledge them Jesus will reject because they are Jesus' brothers! Matthew 25:41-46
Apostle Paul declared to faithful Christians in the first century that the strange sickness that's leading to untimely death in their midst was due to eating and drinking the emblem Jesus only initiated for only his spiritual brothers! 1Corinthians 11:27:30 compare to Matthew 22:11-13

WHY? Because many are invited for everlasting life but only few are chosen to become co-rulers with Christ in heaven! Matthew 22:14

*Jesus choosing of the 12Apostles & Saint Paul being an apostle to the gentiles is a well known fact and has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
*The 144,000 stand before the throne and the lamb, the great multitude also stand before the throne, and serve in God's temple (naos) or sanctuary day and night.(Discussing this in detail much later)
* John 10:16
"And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must BRING THEM ALSO, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be ONE FLOCK (they're no longer separate), ONE SHEPERD(under one shepherd-Christ)"
Who was Jesus talking about? Jesus disciples we're only made up of Jews only and Christ promise that he must add another flock to the sheepfold. Evidently the Gentiles who later joined them in worship under the headship of Christ.
Using cross-references we arrive at what Paul said at Ephesians 2:12-16:

Ephesians:2.12
remember that at that time you were SEPARATE from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and FOREIGNERS to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

Ephesians:2.13
But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

Ephesians:2.14
For he himself is our peace, who has made the TWO ONE and has destroyed the BARRIER, the dividing wall of hostility,

Ephesians:2.15
by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself ONE new man out of the TWO, thus making peace,

Ephesians:2.16
and in this one body to reconcile BOTH OF THEM to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
Paul here is using a different analogy but still talking about HOW the TWO become ONE.
That Christ through his dead abolished the law(which separated the Jews from the Gentiles) Christ atonement broke that barrier and made the two separate parties to become one.
*Luke:12.32
"Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom."
#Jesus was and is eminently the Good Shepherd. His flock was small. Few really followed him, compared with the multitude who professed to love him. But, though small in number, they were not to fear. God was their Friend. He would provide for them.
It was his purpose to give them the kingdom, and they had nothing to fear.
(Jesus was specifically speaking to his twelve apostles who have their names written on the 12gates of the resplendent city "New Jerusalem"

*Matthew:25.40
"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these BROTHERS of mine, you did for me.'

#As adopted sons of God Christians automatically are "Christ brothers".
It includes those who are afflicted, poor, and persecuted, who are his brothers and companions in suffering, and who suffer as he did on earth. See Heb 2:11; Mt 12:50. How great is the condescension and kindness of the Judge of the world, thus to reward our actions, and to consider what we have done to the poor as done to him!

*Acts:4.12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." (No other name apart from the name of Jesus)
Our salvation comes from no one else but Jesus. As for the least of Jesus brothers (members of the Christian Congregation) Christ will reward us if we treat this one's fairly.
Our salvation does not depend on any human, for we are saved through faith in Christ.

#THE GOODNEWS ACCORDING TO MAXIMUS A SLAVE OF WATCHTOWER AND A SHARER IN YOUR JINGOISM: """Apostle Paul declared to faithful Christians in the first century that the strange sickness that's leading to untimely death in their midst was due to eating and drinking the emblem Jesus only initiated for only his spiritual brothers!"""
#OUTRIGHT FALSEHOOD, EISESGESIS, DID YOU EVEN READ THE TEXT AT ALL?
What was the situation in Corinth? What really happened?
I'll be brief on this:
1 Corinthians:11.27
Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an UNWORTHY MANNER will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.

1 Corinthians:11.30
That is why many among you are WEAK and SICK, and a number of you have FALLEN ASLEEP.

#The main reason why the Corinthians were sick and some falling asleep (either in actual or more evidently spiritual death)[according to the context](NWT footnote reads "Spiritual death"
was partaking of the Lord's Evening meal in an UNWORTHY MANNER
The term unworthily, can mean unworthy or improper MANNER; in a manner unsuitable to the purposes for which it was designed or instituted;
and may include the following things,
(1.) Such an irregular and indecent observance as existed in the congregation of Corinth, where even gluttony and intemperance prevailed under the professed design of celebrating the Supper.
(2.) An observance of the ordinance where there was no distinction between it and common meals, where they did not regard it as designed to show forth the death of the Lord Jesus.
The observance of the Lord's Evening Meal should be well arrange and carried out in a dignified manner, if a Christian refuses to partake of the emblems how will he fulfill this command at 1 Corinthians:11.26:
"For whenever you EAT this bread and DRINK this cup, you PROCLAIM the LORD'S DEATH until he COMES".


THE BIBLE WARNS AT Galatians:1.8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

Galatians:1.9
As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
###########

MaxInDHouse:
Apostates often catch them due to their being half-baked in knowledge!

Jesus openly declared that he only came for Israelites {Matthew 24:15} Zechariah said people from other nations will hold onto the skirt of Jews {Zechariah 8:23} and Jesus chose 12 Apostles all Jews and Apostles Paul also a Jew as and Apostle for the nations! Act 9:15

When John saw the lamb on mouth Zion it was with the 144,000 only {Revelations 14:1} others were later noticed just as Jesus said:

“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd" John 10:16

The kingdom will be given to a little flock {Luke 12:32} this are his spiritual brothers that all others must attach to if they want salvation {Matthew 25:34-40} all those who failed to acknowledge them Jesus will reject because they are Jesus' brothers! Matthew 25:41-46
Apostle Paul declared to faithful Christians in the first century that the strange sickness that's leading to untimely death in their midst was due to eating and drinking the emblem Jesus only initiated for only his spiritual brothers! 1Corinthians 11:27:30 compare to Matthew 22:11-13

WHY? Because many are invited for everlasting life but only few are chosen to become co-rulers with Christ in heaven! Matthew 22:14

Half-baked knowledge? [color=#990000][/color]
Maximus are you sure you read your Bible or you just do guess work and assume some things
For crying out loud let me expose your shallow scholarlism
I'm going to answer each of the points you raised

SopaterOfBeroea:
Have you by any chance heard the word "Christology"?
Go and study your Bible well Christ nature was not an angel.
He existed in God's form(or nature).
So Michael is called "Mighty God (El Gibbor) in Isa9:6?
In Revelation Christ refers to himself as the first and the last, the beginning and the end, Is that an Angel speaking?
All the Angels are being told to worship (proskeyneo) Jesus, how will Angels worship a fellow angel?
John 1:14 "The only "begotten God"
The word begotten (Monogenes) means Unique, one of a kind.
John 1:3 "ALL things were created through him (Jesus), apart from him(Jesus) not even one thing would have come into existence"
By means of him all things were created wether the thing's invisible or visible. He is before all things.
Who mediates between God and Men? Definitely not an angel but the glorified Jesus who is the exact representation of the father's being.

Beroean Christian
You have done well

cornelboy:
Na God dé choose the sons wey é go adopt, no be watchtower or any person.
And the Bible say na just 144000 dem go be out of billions wey de earth.

Thank God you know they follow Jesus teachings and God's word.

See I understand all their doctrines. I'm more than halfway through the "enjoy life forever" book.

You still have much to learn though

rottennaija:
rottennaija is still around. He just focuses his attention now on Russia Ukraine conflict.

Great to have you sir
Maximum Respect

Courz:
Very good. So, you can testify to Mad MaxInDHouse 's delusion. He is a Disgrace to anything that Intelligence stands for. Those other people you mentioned I don't know them.

Those ones are OG's on NL religious forum, I think they're much busy with other activities now

achorladey:
So you sabi those two moniker apart from Oteneaaron. I salute you ooo.

Those guys help in my waking up process
That time I been dey fear to open NL account

MaxInDHouse:
Emergency moniker created on the 31 of August 2022 to back up the existing ones!

Who among you is playing this prank torí Ọlọ́run?

Awon intelligence officer
Hope you won't link me to another moniker

Courz:
At the bolded, that's exactly what I resolved to do when I started waking up. You must know everything they are hiding from JWs.

Which website is that? Is that archive.org?That's another good resource for Old JW publications apart from jwfacts.com.

https://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/archive.htm
And AvoidJw.org & WatchtowerDocuments

Courz:
Readers, there is confusion in this comment abi? He mentions Oteneaaron and me Courz and lumps the two of us together. Remember some comments back, I said Watchtower teaches JWs to be delusional. This comment is a Classic case of it.

This fellow believes that Oteneaaron and I are one and the same person. Why? Simply because Oteneaaron created a thread titled Are Jehovah's witnesses tied to Freemasons. Because I have more than enough evidence to back up that thread, I dominated the thread. Mad MaxInDHouse seeing this, believed we are the same person and began to accuse us. Is that a logical conclusion to arrive at? No. What happened here? JWs were overwhelmed by the hard core evidence in that thread. The thread choke! They were so bitter that they began to lump 2 or 3 persons together to form one person. What is that called? Delusion.

JWs pride themselves of being best in arguments. When they are losing in it, they become sore losers. They either start name calling you or start attaching Satan to you or start saying you have different monikers. Seeing different monikers challenging them is overwhelming. So, to make themselves feel better psychologically, they start lumping 2 or 3 monikers together.

I know I have somewhat dominated this thread. Readers, does that mean I am Templee333 too? Mad MaxInDHouse claims to be an Intelligent officer. But it is disgraceful that he cannot tell the difference between I and Oteneaaron. We don't share similar beliefs. I am a Christian. I made that very clear in the Are Jehovah's witnesses tied to Freemasons Thread. I keep pointing fingers at the JWs with the Bible. My comments have been reflecting that. That should tell you something as a sane person. But still, Mad MaxInDHouse can't tell the difference. The delusion is strong isn't it?

Readers, this is how the psyche of a JW works. Do you want to be like this?

Thanks Mad MaxInDHouse.

I think OtenaAron has been on this forum longer than you
I use to see him during the time of ChristianFreedo and RottenNaija
Is just this your intelligence officer that is confusing himself

LilMissFavvy:
I really pity whoever would read this thread and does not see that something is not right with JW and their doctrine, big Pity'.

This thread is only a tip on the iceberg,
They day I discovered that I'd been lied to all my life I went through hell throughout that week, I wasn't myself anymore.
Being a history student, I checked all the libraries available for 607BC but found none, 1914 also gave me a lot of headache.
In addition to the ad hominems and straw man arguments the use in their publications.

Templee333:
NO! I AM NOT WORTHY
The annual memorial of JW is another event that captivated our young minds.We went around inviting people to the memorial.Non witnesses nicknamed the occasion as the "no! I'm not worthy" feast.There's a rumour among the non witnesses that when the memorial bread & wine (emblems) were passed to each individual JW,he'd say:
"no! i'm not worthy,take it away"
There's another rumour that the emblems were poison & we often had to answr many questn when inviting people to Memorial.Another amazing thing is that when memorial was over,the emblems were thrown away & dogs were worthy to feast on them.Perhaps the dogs & fowls that partook of the leftover emblems were more worthier than humans.

My mom use to say if you partake of the emblem you'll run mad or die.
There was a rumour that spread about a particular brother who ran mad after partaking for a long time
JW'S can be very funny

Templee333:
GROWING UP AS A JW
I was raised up to believe that the bible is the word of God & that it alone has the final say in everything.Worse still, I believed that it's only JW publications that explain the bible correctly.As a result,I decided to follow the direction of The GB by using their publications to have a personal bible study ev'ry week.I was the type who studied & swallowed what the JW publications said without questioning them. I knew & applied what the GB taught more than my local elders & those who've been JW b4 me.I considered bro/sis who didn't take the GB teachings seriously as weak. Honestly speaking,most of the JWs that i knew were hypocrites who preached what they didn't practice. I was totally diff from all JW that i knew & they all noticed that. I wanted 2 b the perfect example of a "Jehvh's servant" who didn't use imperfection to spoil my relationship with Jehv. I was the type who felt guilty for ev'ry little mistake i made.I rarely went anywhere without my bible...

Exactly the same thing that happened to me, I started to see other people as sinners.
The stereotype was very strong that I judged people from the outset. I thank God that recently I've been relating with people, because it really affected my social live.
Now I don't just discourse religion, I relate like a normal human being, free from any man-made rules

Nelidee:


From the above, It is crystal clear that the organisation's governing body have numerous times exposed themselves for the fraud that they are in their magazines and articles but like Courz said, the MIND CONTROL those men have on their members is so overwhelmingly strong that they can't see the truth even when it is in front of them.

It baffles me how people with a brain to think can believe that a body that made numerous failed prophecies, which they worked so hard to hide rather than admit are actually anointed and appointed by God but that is the power of MIND CONTROL. That is one of the talents of a cult....to brainwash their members to believe and do anything they are told even to the point of committing suicide.

But there is hope. Recent reports on reddit shows that since they recently resumed meetings & House to House, the turn out has been poor most especially in western and european countries. Some people have stopped associating totally while some prefer joining their meetings in the comfort of their home via zoom and are not ready to start carrying bag to that their masonic lodge they call Kingdom Hall.

God is indeed mercy and faithful.

If only the ones in Nigeria will like to wake up.

achorladey:
@ tctrills please read all carefully. All the part highlighted in red are very KEY too. Should you have any questions throw it into the mix. Let's analyse. The day I set my eyes on this, the MANIPULATION at play here is just too much especially when dealing with coded terms used in writing articles like this

For those who seek reasons why they don't marry other Christians denomination see this as the policy behind it. Keep this article. It is very useful in seeing the MANIPULATION behind this policy. Should you understand this article well enough. You will know and see how their MANIPULATION works.

You really investigated this topic
Kudos bro, I read this article several times without using my No.6

achorladey:
How will you explain the great love that exist among them when a parent of one Jehovah's witnesses saying that over his dead body his son gets married to the daughter of another family of Jehovah’s witness?

Where is the great love here?

How will you explain after sitting for close to +/- 7 hours at a convention programme and some few minutes after the programme coming to an end ELDERS exchange blows and slaps at the motor park or parking space over sitting arrangements or transport fare.

To them it will sound demeaning but na REALITY you dey see so.

Archoladey una side been rugged oooo
I heard one congregation wey been dey fight
But our on Cong. was just heated exchanges during elders meeting, but if C.O come dem go form good boys

achorladey:
Like his taskmasters he must apply labels and tags. How do you qualify his arrogance and independent thinking here? When Jesus denounce the religious leaders of his day they equally say he is ARROGANT and an INDEPENDENT THINKER. Do your religious support independent thinking in previous years of their existence before they got into a majority like the others and eventually go the way of others they condemn by frowning at it?


There will always be WHEATS and WEEDS in every religious denomination. Members of your religious organization from top to bottom contain WEEDS and WHEATS. You agree?





You have to plug in your HONEST or DISHONEST card. And this same religious organization of yours says many out there have HIGH MORAL STANDARDS. Where do those ones get such standards? Oga Bibles peak, read your Bible well and don't boast about what you cannot defend statistically. Even the Bible you have come to accept as BIBLE was not compiled by your religious organization, the name JEHOVAH used by your religious organization came into existence long before the birth of Russell the founding father of the religious organization you belong. What standards do you have that others don't have? You don't fornicate, CSA, homosexuality, wife swapping, spiritism or what?

Now, brothers, these things I have applied to myself and A·polʹlos for your good, that through us you may learn the rule: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,” so that you may not be puffed up with pride, favoring one against the other. 7 For who makes you different from another? Indeed, what do you have(standards) that you did not receive(standards)? If, in fact, you did receive(standards) it, why do you boast as though you did not receive(standards) it?

You just said my mind, the generalise then resort to name calling and straw man arguments.
Claim to be the best and most immaculate but have the most doctrinal flip-flops. Including denial of the heavenly hope for members of the consecrated churche.

cornelboy:
Sorry sir! Na reasonable people we need here.
You shouldn't just crawl out of your hole and start spewing out rubbish.

Do you hava a better replacement for JW?

JW org still remains the only Christian group pragmatically following Jesus teachings and God's words.

The follow Jesus teachings and God's word but deny you the opportunity to become adopted sons of God.
Jesus is not your mediator, You can't partake during the Lord's evening meal, You're not born again, Majority of the texts in the NT don't apply to you.
Then how can you lay claim to the name "CHRISTIAN" or True follower of Christ?
Think again

Templee333:
QUESTION YOUNG PEOPLE ASK
Since i grew up to be much different frm the people in my environment,i had no confidant.People around me didn't take spiritual things serious so i didnt seek their advice on how to live my life or make decisions,rather,i turned to JW publications to seek advice on how to live my life.I read the bible everyday & had finished the whole bible frm cover to cover many times.The JW book " questions young people ask,answers that work" volume 1 & 2,were my best advisers. I made sure to read books & magazines that were published even b4 i was born & i knew "Jehovah's will" more than the average JW. Sometimes i went into a quiet place in a nearby bush to read & ponder Jhvh's thought. I devour many experiences of brothers & sisters who served Jehvh with their whole heart & wanted to be like them.I ignored what everyone said & listened to the Faithful & Discrete Slave alone.I made many strange decisions because of what i fed my mind with.I was a stranger among my people...

That YPA never made sense to me, I couldn't relate to the contents of the book.
It was a pure depiction of Western culture (precisely American lifestyle). I still don't relate to the book, at some point I stopped reading it.

MaxInDHouse:
The problem with you is that you listened with keen interest to Apostates far much more than you did during your days among JWs.
That's why you carry all what they told you in their website everywhere you go.

I'm 100% sure that Templee333 also decided to live his life without being under any religious oversight but the difference between you and him is that he never go deep into the websites of Apostates like you've invested so much, that's why everything you've been posting on this forum seems strange to him.

Of course he also agreed with the common slogan of the Apostates "JW is a CULT" as that's the first thing the Apostates tell you to format everything you can think about Jesus and his teachings so by the time you're deep in their ideology you will find out that you can't even preach anything about Jesus again because you will end up coming to agree with what you want to trash JW organization where you must live your life in harmony with the same line of thought with fellow believers! John 17:22

Based on my understanding Charles Taze Russell is not the founder of the group.
Why did i come to that conclusion?

Group founders always have a unique teaching that the group mustn't temper with.
Most of the things Russell believe has been changed!

Group founders always pass on the mantle of leadership to their bloodline. No Russell is a member of the Body after his death!

Group founders are taken as infallible. The organization teaches that the Governing Body is not infallible.

Only Group founders makes changes at will but the organization keep making amendments till now saying Jesus is directing them.

So saying Charles Taze Russell whose teachings no longer holds water today is the founder any right thinking person should know that can't be true!

Is that how you downplayed a sincere man like C.T.Rusell. The organization holds him in high esteem which I also did at one point. Remember he was believed to be the FDS spoken in Jesus' parable.
He came up with your 'Invisible Prescence' doctrine
Your 607BC date and 1914 which the whole organizational structure is built on.

Templee333:
SOME SECRETS WE KNEW
We knew some deep truth that weren't revealed to other churches because they didnt worship the true God.The identities of GOG OF MAGOG,BABYLON THE GREAT,THE MAN WITH INK HORN IN THE BOOK OF EZEKIEL,WILD BEAST OF REVELATION & ITS SEVEN HEADS,LITTLE FLOCK AND OTHER SHEEP were unknown to non JW because they didnt serve the true God. But since we humbled ourselves,Jehovah revealed them to us. But if u look at it,all the terms above in capitals has been explained & reexplained differently frm time to time by the GB. All the explanations are meaningles & irelevant,yet the JW think they have some special knowledge that others don't have. I took time to study those shit so & felt special for knowing the sacred secret of God.

All those teachings are convoluted, no iota of truth in it, especially that mediatorless other sheep
E no easy for PIMOS like me