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Maynman:
What do we expect brainwashed theists to say.

You're giving them a lot of headache here

Kobojunkie:
That is what religion is. A bunch of lies - logical fallacies- sold to the ignorant and unwise using the name of God.

Absolutely

The religions we slave for are they ones turning us to atheists.
When we discover that the whole thing was a sham and they were covering our eyes with a veil all this while.
Religion is the main contributor to the rising number of atheists, due to their absurd claims and hypocrisy alongside with concocted doctrines used to bind the minds and thinking faculties of the members.
I almost became an atheist at a point in my life, but things didn't go that way, I had to reinvent my faith............I no longer allowed myself to be bound by the creeds and traditions of mere mortal men

MaxInDHouse:
WHY SELLING HALLS?

Jesus told his disciples:

“But now let the one who has a money bag take it, likewise a food pouch, and let the one who has no sword sell his outer garment and buy one" Luke 22:36

Outer garments are clothes used for occasions in most cases parties but swords are used for battles. Here Jesus is telling his disciples to sell those gorgeous dresses in order to possess a copy of the Bible if they don't have one.
This means it's better not to have party clothes than not to possess a copy of the Bible.

Now the Kingdom Halls are our place of meetings and in countries where some of our brothers are super rich Halls that worth to buy millions of Bibles and Bible based literatures were built just for their own pleasure. For instance i remembered a time when brothers in Lekki peninsula bought materials worth billions of Naira just to build a Hall to their own taste but an order came from the headquarters that all those materials should be sold and lesser materials will be used so the excess may be used to supply Bibles and Bible based literatures to our brothers in poor countries. What is the essence of building costly Halls just for pleasure when our brothers in other countries can't afford a copy of the Bible yet we are all doing a preaching and teaching campaign for God's Kingdom?

So when most of us heard that our brothers in poor countries are lacking and we have costly buildings worth fortunes in other places the best thing to do is SELL WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE AN EQUALIZING {Act 4:32} so that the surplus of some may offset the needs of others! 2Corinthians 8:14

I never told them why this things has to be so because i've discovered that they're all crooked and faithless but for you my brother to know the truth i'm doing this.

Please ask them to show you Kingdom Halls that are to be sold in poor countries!

A very nice way of tearing out a scripture and giving it a different meaning entirely.
But Watchtower won't waste time to publish reduced church attendance in top countries of the world

oteneaaron:
Wait a minute.

Watchtower actually sent a letter to the Grebber foundation asking for his esoteric books?!

God's only direct channel in dah mud.

Wow!

I was shocked, books I would never dream of reading, but this guys begged for it

Courz I'll like to know the lexicon that gave the breakdown of the name 'Jehovah'.
I know that the name is frequently used in Kabbala (Jewish Mystic) for exorcism.
(But Watchtower will never admit that, but will go and research pagan origins of birthday).
Every sane Bible Scholar knows that the pronunciation JEHOVAH used for the supreme being is more of artificial having it's origin in the middle ages..............(space won't contain that)
I'm still researching on the Esoterics use of this name you can drop any material that will be of help(*Credible sources)

MaxInDHouse:
On the thread where "Babylon the Great" is the topic of discussion this is all what you have to say:



But here you're happy to join in criticizing the one and only group that can confidently teach the truth about that topic and surprisingly you left that thread without sharing what your own pastors taught you in your Bible believing church!


What a shame on faithless people like you?

JW's teach no truth, the twist the scriptures, I'm one, so I can tell you from first-hand experience.
Starting from the way the messed up the Father<Child relationship with our heavenly father and came up with their mediatorless other sheep doctrine.

MaxInDHouse:
On the thread where "Babylon the Great" is the topic of discussion this is all what you have to say:



But here you're happy to join in criticizing the one and only group that can confidently teach the truth about that topic and surprisingly you left that thread without sharing what your own pastors taught you in your Bible believing church!

What a shame on faithless people like you?

You're confused
You just went to a different thread and dragged out my comment that is not even related to what I'm replying to courz.
There's a particular guy in that "Babylon the great" thread that is boldly and shamelessly arguing that Babylon is America.
My comment was directed at him, then you just decided to do the same thing your organization does to qoute me out of context
Wehdon sir

Courz you can now see why I no longer take this people seriously. The evil called religion is capable of anything.
What will God's Only channel of communication be doing with esoteric books?
Is that were they will fish spiritual food from?
I'll make a different thread on this with all the info I got

Courz:
Do you know what is so funny about your Jehovah? All of what I have posted about the name Jehovah has proven that it can never be the name of Almighty God in the Heavens! Jehovah, when properly dissected and defined in the Jewish language by Jewish dictionary and encyclopedia, is shown below.

Yah = god

Hovah = Ruin, Calamity, iniquity, Mischief, Naughtiness, Noisome, Perverse, Very Wickedness.

Almighty God has nothing to do with the meanings of this name. How can he? It is an abomination to associate Almighty God with this Cursed name! It is not in the personality of God to ever adopt a name with such blasphemous meanings. Only One person has all these qualities.

Since you Jehovah's witnesses have adopted this name as part of your identity, that means your god is a god of:

Ruin

Noisome (Very strong offensive smell, or offensive to the senses)

Covetousness (Greed, desire to be a Thief)

Desire

Calamity

Iniquity

Falling (How does Almighty God relate to falling? That is meant for a Fallen Angel)

Mischief

Naughtiness

Perversity

Wickedness

Have you ever wondered why people call you, Jehovah Wickedness? The first person who invented that phrase knew what the name Jehovah truly meant.

Also, Jehovah is also Baal. Wow! Satan has many names. Remember Baal in the Bible? The god who required Human Sacrifices? And he is the same one asking you JWs to sacrifice yourselves and your children in the name of No Blood Transfusion. Very similar something. Wonderful right?

Sorry Mad MaxInDHouse. You are worshipping a god of Ruin, Covetousness, Calamity, Iniquity, Strong Wickedness, Perversity, etc.

I saw your comments on another thread similar to this
Mehn I decided to research that Johannes Greber stuff. I was shocked, to see that the organization I slaved for and put all my trust in was nothing but a huge scam.
I downloaded the book communication with the spirit world of God. As you rightly said the useless demons mixed lies with truth(not surprised though).
They then continued to talk low of Christ and reduce him to a nobody.
Their teaching on the resurrection of Christ is the same and exact thing that JW'S teach that Jesus body evaporated, before being recreated as a spirit he materialized.
The must shocking one was "we must workout our own salvation"
The organization condemns getting books on magic/spiritism. They knew the source of Grebers interpretation but still went ahead to beg for his two spiritistic books, the wrote a letter to his foundation (JH.greber foundation).
I'll post the letter, maybe you might have already seen it but this guys need to be exposed.

Babylon the great is America
Una go just dey open mouth waaaaa
Bible believing Christians with absurd interpretation of scriptures.
Have you by chance heard anything of "HERMENEUTICS" I no you haven't, continue to let your Pastorpreneurs deceive you with nonsense interpretations

Janosky:
A god was the word" John 1:1, Emphatic Diaglott, ©1864.
JWs had the copyright for publication of this Bible.
Continue deceiving yourself.

Did you even read the Aid to Bible Understanding?
Charlatan

Janosky:
A god was the word" John 1:1, Emphatic Diaglott, ©1864.
JWs had the copyright for publication of this Bible.
Continue deceiving yourself.

Do you know anything called CHRISTOLOGY
You're just a delusional punk parading your ignorance

NNTR:

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"Jesus said to them,
“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me."
- John 8:42

Absolutely spot on, and what I've all along have harped on about, hence the reason why I liked the post.

Yes, "exerchomai" is the Greek original word translated as "proceeded forth". By definition, it means, to go or come out of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or of the point from which one departs. John 8:42 above, makes no mistake, where from Jesus proceeded forth and came from.

Though Jesus was God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to, instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, His Son

God can send Himself, and did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ. God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him.

Its often said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic diy aka Do-It-Yourself.

God looked for someone who could build walls or looked for someone to stand in the breach in His presence on behalf of the world so that it won't be destroyed, but He found no one and so God is lumbered with, doing a classic Do-It-Yourself by sending Himself to carry out the redemptive work.

This will explain what the bible said and/or is saying about "begotten" The word translated as "begotten", is the greek word "monogene" "Monogene", means, one and only or better still, one of a kind

Now the word "monogene", is a combination of the root words: "mono" (one or only) and "genos" (of a class or kind) hence "begotten", in the context, or "monogene" in the context means "the only of its kind"

Now, "monogene" occurred also, when similarly used over Isaac, and that is where and when Isaac was referred to, as only son, even when Abraham already had an older son, Ishmael

Isaac was unique, was one and only or one of a kind son. Unique in the sense that, an impotent man and menopaused woman had a child, the promised son, Isaac (i.e. child in a class of its own, this miracle never again has been repeated)

To just clear each other, "begotten" in the Jesus' context isn’t about procreation or some fantasied sexual intercourse

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

It's obvious you didn't get my point

Courz:


Johannes Greber, a bible scholar? Someone who believed that he need demons to help translate and explain bible verses is regarded as a Bible scholar by Watchtower. Wonderful! Birds of the same feather flock together.

They knew very well who that guy was, Anyway Russell already said that a truth from "Satan is just like a truth coming from God". Maybe they were applying his principle

MaxInDHouse:
The person talking at Proverbs 8 is a creature through whom mankind gained the WISDOM of God, so he is rightly called the wisdom of God!

Wisdom personified, just like the holy spirit is being personified throughout the scriptures

MaxInDHouse:
Begotten means the only creature directly created by God, all other intelligent creatures are also God's children but only Jesus was created directly by God! Proverbs 8:22-31 compare to John:1-1-2

WRONG!
Begotten comes from the Greek word Monogenes (meaning unique or one of a kind)
Christ was alongside the father before creation.
"ALL THINGS were created through him..."(John 1:3) Therefore he can't be part of the "ALL THINGS"

John 1:18 calls Jesus The only-begotten God. He alone was begotten of God Almighty, he alone dwelled in God's nature, the rest were created beings.

Courz:
Yes. You are in support of Witchcraft because you are in a religion that uses it to feed you rotten food from Demons.

Remember Johannes Greber? The Catholic priest and spiritist whose Bible translation that was translated with the help of Demons, the same translation Watchtower used as a reference for their doctrines? Yes. He wrote a Book titled Communication with the Spirit world as shown in the first pic. In the book, he narrated the numerous occasions he conducted seances to communicate with demons to explain the Bible. He narrated the demon's explanation of many Bible verses. I read that book. And guess what? A lot of what the demon said are actually what you JWs teach. Wonderful isn't it? The demon was very clever mixing Truth with lies and twisting scriptures, same way you JWs do. Yes, Satan has to mix truth with lies to make whatever he is saying palatable to the hearer. Very crafty. What I was thankful for was the fact that I already know what the Bible really says so I could spot the many lies this demon was saying.

Do you also know that the demon gave Johannes directions on how to conduct the Memorial of Jesus's death which was quite similar to how you JWs do yours? The only difference is the demon said they should eat the emblems while you JWs reject the emblems exactly as Satanists do. Showing that the demon was mixing some truth with so many lies! But it's shocking to know that the format of the memorial is quite similar to you JWs. The demon said a lot of blasphemous things about God (some of which are what you JWs teach), Jesus (also what you JWs teach) and God's people during the Time of Israel a d afterwards. Talking about how Adam, Eve, and the rest communicated with demons. But it was so shocking that some of the things the demon said are taught by you JWs.

Johannes Greber was promoting communication with demons and believed that it is necessary to do so to understand the Bible. He says demons can help to explain the Bible better. He doesn't believe the demons are demons. He says they are Good spirits working for God. At least that is how the demon introduced himself.

Do you see why everything I posted in the Are Jehovah's witnesses tied to Freemasons thread are true?

AID TO BIBLE UNDERSTANDING refers to Babalawo Greber as a Bible Scholar
The used his translation to support their translation of John 1:1

I still blame the church father's for squeezing Songs Of Solomon into the [b][/b]Bible-Canon
Hundreds of years later a bored pervert is using it to support his perverted and immoral views.
The original Hebrew language never meant such, and I don't even know which Translation you're using.
Nonsense

The threat of hell was brought to you because """""FEAR KILLS THE WARRIOR WITHIN""""""""

Read that again

*The Europeans that fed you with this fairy tales are now atheists

I'm happy you're now free bro, due to my circumstances I'm still in, but I've lost interest in anything religion used to deceive and manipulate unsuspecting individuals.

This men create rules and twist the Scriptures to fit their narrative. They air their narrow minded views then expect it to be absorbed by the rank and file.

The pervert facts and existing information in order to defend their silly ideas.

That is why education is very good, after waking up to their tricks and spins I started taking studies in Systematic Theology and the more I studied the more I saw their shallow scholarlism and dimwitted insight.

I could write a whole book on this but the point is:
RELIGION DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO THINK.
IT LIMITS YOUR THINKING CAPACITY.
YOU CAN'T QUESTION OR SCRUTINIZE A PARTICULAR RULE/DOCTRINE OF THE RELIGION SINCE IT CLAIMS GOD TO BE THE SOURCE OF THE SAID DOCTRINE.

I just pity millions that are being enslaved to man made religions, they have a long way to go.

Kobojunkie:
1. Here's the problem with your church attendance and all. It turns you all into zombies of men as you begin to parrot that fed you by your pastors and mogs, a process that leaves the majority mentally unable to process reality even of what is written right there in scripture. Jesus Christ warned His followers against imbibing such doctrines and traditions of men which He insisted were lies that deprive such individuals of the Truth of God leading to meaningless worship.

2. Jesus Christ clearly told His followers that He alone is the Teacher to each and everyone who belongs to Him. So if you are busy getting help from other humans where God is concerned, what that means is that Jesus Christ isn't your teacher at all, and hence you don't belong to Him - Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10 & Matthew 6 vs 24 - You cannot serve two Teachers/Masters in the Kingdom of God.

3. Wrong! God said that He would send prophets from among the brethren of Israel to His people Israel. Then in Isaiah, and I believe in Jeremiah, God said that He would send from among Israel, some special people to go out on the mission to gather the scattered sheep of Israel back from the nations. So, when John writes that the special people who God sealed for the project are all Israelites, it correlates with that which was already stated by God through His prophets is what.

Now, as for the claim that the special people are all virgins, this information we are still to find spoken of anywhere by the prophets. And since the rule is " By the account of 2 or 3 witnesses, shall a truth be established aka where 2 or 3 are gathered in the Name of Jesus Christ, God's Truth, there He is - God's Truth - in their midst", it makes sense to consider it conjecture given that we only have one witness as far as the claim, the author of the book of Revelation.

4. According to Jesus Christ, all genuine members of His flock are taught by Him - He is their one and only Helper - John 14 vs 25 - 26 & John 15 vs 26 - 27 & John 16 vs 4 - 15 . As such, if you have for yourself other helpers, you are not even of Him, to begin with.

You see the confusion I was talking about
All I said was taken out of context

AntiChristian:
I came looking out for beans only to see red pottage!

Well! Jacob no get joy at all. He no fit do charity for him brother!

No be small charity

The religious section is the most confused in Nairaland.
Different profess Christians coming out with their different ideologies and psuedo-theological interpretations.
Less church attendance and more Bible study will go a long way to help many of us here see things in it's perspective.
*Context* yes, Context is they key to understanding any Bible verse.
You also need help from others, spare yourself Bible commentaries from certified Bible scholars, be ready to accept ideas from other people.
It doesn't make sense coming here to debate on such little issues as the 144,000.
If you say they are all literal Jews then they are also literal virgins as Chapter 14 indicates both assumptions being wrong.
I'm not claiming to know too much, I'm a nobody, I learn everyday and I won't hesitate to admit that my viewpoint is wrong if the evidence is against me.
All genuine members of the body of Christ are being called to one hope under one sheperd, one flock one baptism.
No division in the body of Christ.

highoctane:
Remember John the baptizer was Jesus cousin born from hlhis aunt Elisabeth. His statement at Matthew 11:12 signified that John will not go to heaven, verse 11"Truly I say to you, among those born of women, there has not been raised up anyone greater than John the Baptist, but a lesser person in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is."
of same chapter made it clear.
Those who go to heaven are chosen by God ( matter how you dream or work for it ) ,for an ultimate purpose of been king and priest to judge the earth with righteousness with Jesus Christ for a thousand years, after this a test shall be carried out on those who has been perfected during this 1000 years, after this final test, chirst Jesus shall hand over every authority to God, by then heaven and Earth shall be one I Corinthians 15:24 "Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power"
Many humans desired heavenly life, because of issues here on earth, but soon those issues will be gone and these issues stated in Revelation 21:4 "And he (God) will wipe out every tear from their eyes,and death will be no more,neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.The former things have passed away."
do not take place in heaven but here on earth
Online bible study free at https://jw.org and get to know the truth

What is the hope that is outlined for Christians in the Christian-Greek scriptures?

highoctane:
Neither do Jesus Christ and true Christianity today ever taught or teach that all righteous persons will go to heaven.
For example righteous men and women like Jacob, Abraham, Isaac, Noah, David, Nehemiah, Hosea , Elisha, Elijah, Moses etc having died, Did they went to heaven? If they did, Jesus could have welomed them and apportioned them mansions.
But let's read Jesus statement at John 3 vs 13 "Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven,the Son of man.
Can you refute this statement of Jesus?.

Jesus Christ and true Christianity taught and teaches about eternal life for some in the heaven and eternal life here on earth.
Can you refute this statement of Jesus in Matthew 5 vs 5 "Happy are the mild-tempered,since they will inherit the earth.
Contrast verse 1 of same chapter “Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them..
No religion beat or be compare to true Christianity., Unlike false and proffesed Christianity that twisted the teachings of Jesus Christ.
True knowledge of the only true God and Jesus ( John 17vs3) starts from here https://jw.org

Agreed not all good people go to heaven
But those who have received adoption as sons of God.
Matthew 11:12 says: "From the days of John the Baptist until now, the Kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it."
John also confirmed at
John:1.12
Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God--

John:1.13
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
The big question is, have you accepted the invitation to become God's adopted son?

Any form of worship rendered to a deity is that individuals religion.
CHRISTIANITY is a religion

Maynmann:

Mayman there's a day the issue of The historicity of Jesus came up.
And someone qouted Tacitus who said that the followers of the man Chrestus were causing disturbance in Rome.
Actually it was Serapis Chrestus not the Biblical Jesus

MaxInDHouse:
It's really deep i know but at times it's good to tell them so they won't think being born again is just like making a wish!
Only those baptized publicly have proved that they're on Jesus' said and they will strive to live the rest of their lives according to Jesus' orders this is what it means to be born of water.
It's like after coming out of that water you become a new person dead at entrance into the water and renewed when coming out of the water with the determination that you're with the church come what may for the love of Christ.

But God is choosing 144,001 rulers from the earth to rule in heaven over the earth. This is what all the first century religous leaders in the Jewish community anticipated, Nicodemus was one of this group so he came to ask Jesus not just to become a citizen of God's Kingdom because their belief is that the Christ has come to establish God's Kingdom on earth {Act 1:6} just as the scriptures foretold {Daniel 2:44 compare to Isaiah 9:6-7} that was what all Jews expected back then. But their rulers were expecting the Christ to come and make them his co-rulers after all they've been scrutinizing the Jews before the coming of Christ (according to their myopic thought)

So when Nicodemus came to meet Jesus he tried to seek favoritism by lying to Jesus saying "Rabbi, we know that you have come from God as a teacher, for no one can perform these signs that you perform unless God is with him.” John 3:2 he was trying to sit on the fence so as to keep his position in the Jewish High Court and at the same time being a friend of Christ. This is impossible that's why Jesus told him:

“Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.” John 3:3

Nicodemus need a complete rebirth!
First he must be born of water (which means a publicly declaration before everyone that he's now one of the disciples of Jesus Christ through water baptism) secondly he must be born of the spirit (God will anoint him with the Holy Spirit out of countless baptized disciples of Christ signifying that he has been chosen to rule with Christ in heaven) John 3:5


Carefully note that there's a difference between the way Jesus first said this thing and the second:

“Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.”


“Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born from water and spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. What has been born from the flesh is flesh, and what has been born from the spirit is spirit" John 3:5-6

Only those who have become baptized with water can SEE what billions aren't seeing in a spiritual sense about God's Kingdom. There is no sign to be shown to faithless people {Matthew 12:39; 16:4} but baptized Christians will begin to SEE the bright future of obedient mankind as they continue to associate with the Church as Christ will always prove to be with them in the spirit! Matthew 18:20; 28:20

But only those anointed with God's Holy Spirit can ENTER into the wedding feast {Matthew 22:1-14} of the marriage between the Christ and his bride {Revelations 21:2} whoever is not chosen as in given the invitation which is the anointing (spiritual garment) is not going to (ENTER) with the bridegroom (Christ) Matthew 25:10

So all baptized and obedient people will SEE God's Kingdom but only the anointed will ENTER with Christ in the first resurrection! Revelations 20:4-6

Of course all obedient mankind will live forever but only the first fruit of the Kingdom will be privileged to ENTER heaven with Christ they are a limited number that's why Jesus referred to them as "little flock" Luke 12:32

So when misinformed churchgoers claims they are born again i just laugh because they don't really know what they're saying!

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

So you've not received the holy spirit?
Romans:8.9
You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

Blake755:
Omo the walked alone sotey dey begin to dey look for umbrella

No mind dem
Dey must collect this season