Johnson225:
@Op. your handwriting is terrible, I can barely see what you wrote up there. Na same level you and your crush dey

Omoh
This kind Vawuelence

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Nice..you look good in your shades..

Damn! you really funny
Actually worn by an emoji, to be precise

FERNANDEZISBACK:

She deactivated..
I just hope she's ok..
How are you?

I'm fine

bewla:
Thanks we never walk alone

But Napoli made you guys walk alone

The bullsh!t in Religion turned many young men to atheists.
I almost became one at some point...........

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Are you scared of coming out as an atheist?
I don't think Nigeria has such rigid law.

I missed your comments
Where have you been?
And what of your partner in crime Datboredberry?

paulolee:

So many goal records bt still without ballon d or
Assuming he play after cr7 n Messi time, e for win pass 3 ballons

Ballon d'or is just dominated by favoritism
2020 Lewy had everything but the decided to cancel it
2021 the gave it to their usual customer Messi

He made it out of the clubs academy
He deserves to stay
MBE

Lewandowski is the first player to score a Champions League hat-trick for three different teams - Borussia Dortmund, Bayern Munich and Barcelona.

He has now scored 32 goals in his last 20 Champions League group stage matches.
#GOALMACHINE

4-1 thrashing by the Neapolitans

emmanueloti65:
I did research, the Bible is a book of history on it own. all I did was try to connect historical records with what the Bible says and I was blown. I have no particular book I can recommend to you , but you can use Google to research this and find out the same thing I am telling you. you will discover things they hardly tell you in history class.

but I can recommend a book that proves even further that the Vatican runs the world. after reading that book your eyes will be open

The title of the book

emmanueloti65:
the Bible and historical records.

It can't just be the Bible and historical records many scholars have those two things but still come up with absurd interpretations of that prophecy.
The reason why I asked is that your own was more coherent than the rest and connected the historical events accurately

peggywebbs:
You're lazy.. don't blame me for that. I read and I don't have any responsibility to share my knowledge with you.

You're pissed for some reason I don't understand. I only asked you to further your research. I am reading other topics at the moment and I have no intention on trying to teach anybody anything. Unless you're not educated and I can understand that. The Bible is not that complex and if you want to have more understanding, you must be ready to do the work.

Nagging me on nairaland won't provoke me to argue with you or give you some revelation. I don't believe in exam malpractice, I never cheated my way to get to my position. So I won't encourage laziness.
Because I'm nice, I'll give you a hint on why prophecies are meant to be interpreted and not taken literally. For instance in Nehum 2:4

Chariots dash wildly through the streets, rushing to and fro through the city squares. They flash like torches and dart about like lightning.
Nahum 2:4 GNBDK

https://bible.com/bible/431/nam.2.4.GNBDK

If I were to give your interpretation, I'd have said the Prophet was talking about horses. No, the time he wrote this, cars were not even dreamt of. But this was the old testament and this man who had never seen an engine in his life or even a light bulb.. describe a busy street with many cars on wheels and headlamps on traffic.

Again, let me repeat myself, go and read a book and stop being lazy. It's not easy to be an atheist, you have to do the work. Convince yourself there is no God by reading books and not antagonising Christians online. You're just making mockery of yourself and exposing your ignorance.

You took the scripture out of context
Please read from the first verse

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus have no business with individuals but the church, that's what i'm emphasizing, you can't have a personal relationship with Christ rather Christ acknowledge you because you're a member of his group who are bearing witness to his name.
That's why he said:

"For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:20

Which means Jesus has no personal relationship with anybody he only comes around when the group are gathered to do the job he assigned them, because he's the one who will lead them by means of Holy Spirit in accomplishing it. Matthew 28:20

That's what we're saying Sir, i'm not disputing that Christ is the saviour but he only act on behalf of his congregation as a body whatever you're planning if it's not about the Church and the preaching and teaching campaign Jesus assigned to them then it's none of Jesus' concern!

So Jesus is not interested in us as individuals, is that what you're saying?
I find this hard to accept Sir, it's strange and absurd to all the tenets of Christology and the entire Christian Congregation.
Haven't you read of Christ rewarding his faithful followers individually "to him who conquers I shall give him the crown of life".
Our salvation is personal not universal.
The Jews were mistaken thinking they only have salvation because the worship at the temple and followed the strict law code.
But Peter soon realized this: "“Truly I understand that God SHOWS no PARTIALITY,but in every nation ANYONE who FEARS HIM and DOES WHAT IS RIGHT IS ACCEPTABLE to HIM"
Come to think of it Cornelius was not yet a Christian but he was known as a good man, God's angel even appeared to him while he was praying for help.
If Christ is not interested in individuals as you said, why did he have to send Apostle Peter to get in touch with Cornelius?

MaxInDHouse:
Funny misinformed churchgoers deceiving themselves!

How can anyone think of having a PERSONAL relationship with the Christ when he himself have left behind his own family only to form a Church {Matthew 12:46-50} in fact his mother, brothers and sisters thought he has run mad {Mark 3:21} when he left home and never returned after his baptism.

WHY?

Because he is no longer the person they used to know after his baptism he has become a totally different person born of the spirit of God {Matthew 3:17} to gather the worshipers of God and form a group with which he is now the head {Matthew 12:46-50} unlike individuals having personal relationships with his father through living by conscience {Romans 2:14-15} Jesus is gathering people who must comply with his teachings and become one body having the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} so the only evidence to prove that someone is with Christ is the group {Matthew 18:20} because with the group you continue living in harmony with Christ's commandments {Matthew 28:19-20} so that if anyone turns away from this teachings they may be expelled from the gathering of Christ {1Corinthians 5:12-13} based on the power conferred on those taking the lead by Christ himself! Matthew 16:19

So in what way can anyone claim he has a PERSONAL relationship with Christ when you're not attached to his visible church?

Even the Jew who have obeyed all the laws of God right from his youth till he met Christ Jesus still told him that the man must join his group! Luke 18:18-23

The one and only evidence that the Christ has walked this planet is the church practicing what he taught, that's why he could refer to them as his "WITNESSES" {Act 1:8} and in first century Antioch they were called by the group name "CHRISTIANS"! Act 11:26

So if anyone is deceiving himself that he has a PERSONAL relationship with Christ it's a lie because without the Church subjecting yourself to the rules binding on all members the Christ doesn't even know you exist {Luke 9:60} that's why he will refer to you as WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS/INIQUITY {Matthew 7:21-23} since you're not ready to submit to the same line of thought governing the body of Christ! 1Corinthians 1:10

*What was the be the identifying mark of true Christianity?
John 13:35 "By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
Saint James added "The form of worship that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and TO KEEP ONESELF UNSTAINED FROM THE WORLD" (A person could claim that his denomination is the true church but still lives a double life which is manifest today in all forms of organize religion who claim absolute purity) but a real Christian will be identified by his generous works of hospitality towards those in need and his being UNSTAINED by the mud and cankerworms of this world.
*Yes Jesus told his disciples to be his witnesses.
Are you a witness for Christ?, Remember what the angel of Revelation told the apostle John "that the bearing witness to Jesus is what inspires prophecy"
But last time I checked you are not a witness of Christ you don't even have as your mediator.
So how can you lay claim to the name CHRISTIAN?

MaxInDHouse:


Just calm down and learn, the Christ has no business with any individual but the church.

When it comes to personal relationship Jesus directed his listeners to God {Matthew 6:6} so with the one and only true God {Mark 12:29} each person can build a personal relationship but for salvation all believers must join the church {Luke 18:18-23} the true God opens His hands to bless and provide for everyone whether you're good or evil {Matthew 5:45} but when it comes to salvation each individual must find the path to everlasting life which only few are finding it {Matthew 7:13-14} and through this narrow path you follow the Christ along with the Church in order to be led together with all those having the same line of thought with God and Christ! John 17:22

So our salvation is in the body of Christ which is the Church {Ephesians 4:12} but each individually must build a personal relationship with the true God just as Jesus Christ himself build a personal relationship with his father. Luke 6'12
Sorry my friend you can't have any personal relationship with Christ because he came to build the church so that through the church you can know how to follow him! Matthew 16:19

Acts 4:12 "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Only Jesus).
The Ecclesia is not an agent of salvation it is the body of Christ comprised of believers who have put on Christ and got baptized in his name.
We gain salvation by putting faith in Christ,
John 3:16:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES (PUTS FAITH) IN HIM SHOULD not perish but have ETERNAL LIFE.
We should be followers of Christ not men or religion. Christ died for our sins not the Church. Christ mediates for us.

guysbewise:
But you were the one that made a bogus claim that Nero Caesar is not the antichrist, when the evidence is there right in front of you. When you add up 50+200+6+50+100+60+200 = 666 "Nero Caesar" from Greek NRON QSR in the Hebrew alphabet is: נרון קסר which when interpreted numerically represents the numbers: 50 200 6 50 100 60 200, which add up to 666.

Britannica is a reliable source so if you are not sure of what you read on Wikipedia about Roman occupation of Israel 2000 years ago then you can cross check it with Britannica.

The made up revelation events to control your mind today happened in year seventy when Rome destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem where the Holies of Holies was located.

Bro what you just posted was pure NUMEROLOGY. Which plays a big role in conspiracies such as this, it appears to be true and factual on the surface but at the end of the day you know that the originator who used this method in order to decode "666" must have had a hard time putting all this sh!t together.
Once again it's NUMEROLOGY nothing special about this method of deciphering the identity of the triple 6

emmanueloti65:
you obviously don't know what your talking about, the leg and feet of the image in Daniel represents the fourth kingdom which is Rome and the feet of iron and clay represents the disintegrated kingdom of Rome .

Rome scattered into 10 kingdoms represented by the ten toes, not two kingdoms. another symbological representation of this prophesy is in Daniel 7 where the kingdoms are represented as beast and the foruth beast which is Rome had ten horns and among these ten horns or kingdoms came up a little horn or kingdom with the eyes and mouth of a man and uprooted three. this prophecy of a little horn only fits the Vatican city state because it was the last and smallest kingdom that came up after the ten kingdom that broke out of Rome these ten kingdoms are;


The kingdom of the Suevians today portugal
The kingdom of the Visigoths today spain
The kingdom of the Alamini today germany
The kingdom of the Burgundians today switzerland
The kingdom of the Franks today france
The kingdom Anglo-Saxon today england
The kingdom of the lombards today italy
the kingdom of the heruli- eliminated
the kingdom of the osthrogoths - eliminated
the kingdom of the vandals - eliminated.

the Vatican city state was the last to come come up after these and it is represented by the little but stout horn with eyes and mouth of a man, this same horn which speaks blasphemy against God and persecutes Gods people as described in Daniel 7 fits only the Roman church , not England and America. go read foxes book of mathyrs to get a clue of the atrocities of the Roman church.

And also it is quit evident that the emperors of the political Roman kingdom gave authority to the church as the ancient Roman kingdom was falling apart. so the people who carried on from the Roman emperors was the Roman church. speaking technically Rome never fell it only methamorphorsed. that system stil continues till this day . the empire today is not just in Europe but the entire world.

Which exegetical commentary or theological book are you using?
You have a lot of valuable info up there.
I'm intrigued totally different explanation of that prophecy, compared to the ones I've heard and read.

peggywebbs:
You see like I said, you're Idea of Nero is greatly flawed. Revelation may be at the end of the Catholic Bible, it does not mean the book was written in that order.

If you read Corinthians, Romans, you'll see that the early Christians were anxious for the return of Christ. There were many doctrines, ideas, and opinions among them. The confusion got so bad that Paul had to interfere to explain in his letters that they should be patient for the coming of Christ. Like today where people have said Obama, Trump and Hitler at his time was the antichrist, so also did the early Christians.

Nero Caesar was persecuting Christians at the time and many people thought he was the antichrist. However, they were wrong. There are certain elements in Revelation that must be fulfilled before the antichrist can be identified. So again, your Nero Idea has failed the test of Revelation. During his time, all the seals of judgement had not been opened, there are many stages that must pass before the Revelation of the antichrist.

We have experienced almost all of those events in our time. The only event that remains is the revelation of the antichrist. Many people wonder if he will be born, or if he already exists but has not taken his position. The truth is when eventually he is revealed, you won't be creating a thread trying to find his identity. It will be known, especially by the revelation of the Holy Spirit. However, until then, we should just be good and try to live a God fearing life. Not everyone may be on earth for all this events.

This is a mystery like every mystery on this earth. It however does not make the event false. The account of revelation will happen eventually.

I liked your analysis, it was well written
But I will object to your interpretation of who the Antichrist is, according to apostle John the Antichrist was already in the world during the writing of his epistle (c.A.D96)
1 John:2.18
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, EVEN NOW MANY ANTICHRISTS HAVE COME. This is how we know it is the LAST HOUR.

*The word ANTICHRIST according to Strong's concordance means: From G473 and G5547; an opponent of the Messiah: - antichrist. OR as Abbot/Smith lexicon puts it *† άντι -χριατος , -ον , ό , (Antee-christos)
Antichrist, "one who assuming the guise of Christ or opposes Christ".
How do you identify the Antichrist? John answer's:
1 John:2.22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the ANTICHRIST-- he denies the Father and the Son.
1 John:4.3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is from God. This is the spirit of the ANTICHRIST, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John:1.7
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the ANTICHRIST.

The crux of the issue is that the word ANTICHRIST refers to any who acts in outright opposition to Christ, those who deny that Christ came in the flesh, those who deny he is the son of God.
It can refer to an individual, organisations or group. NOT to a person or a ferocious beast that will be coming in the near future.
Anybody that is against or in opposition to Christ can be termed ANTICHRIST.

emmanueloti65:
the mods deleted my first reply and banned my account. but I will try to respond again.

you contradict yourself. the Bible stops at the fourth kingdom which is Rome. no 5th and 6th kingdom.

the Vatican never lost power to England as a matter of fact the king of England king john surrendered his crown to the papal legate in 1213 as sign of loyalty and subjugation . the current queen of England is a dame of Malta a society run by the vatican. England is under the control of the Vatican and the pope same as America.

there is a reason why the prophecy of world powers stoped at Rome which is the fourth kingdom. that is because Rome still rules till today.

the emperors of the ancient Roman kingdom did not hand over power to England but the Catholic church. emperor Constantine gave his power to the church before leaving Rome, and in 538 emperor Justinian declared Christianity the official Roman religion. this gave authority to the Roman church to persecute any one not practicing Thier own version of Christianity and they destroyed three kingdoms namely the heruli ,the osthrogoth and vandals as predicted by the book of Daniel.

the little horn that grew out of the fourth kingdom with the eyes and mouth of a man which is the antichrist fits only the Vatican city state which is the smallest kingdom in Rome today not England and America.

there is a reason why Bible stopped at Rome as the last world power and that is because Rome methamorphorsed from a political power to a religious power and it is quit evident that the church of Rome ran the ancient Roman kingdom after the. emperors left Rome. the title "pontifex maximus " was taken from the Roman emperors and is now the title of the bishop of rome. this little kingdom in Rome today runs not just England and America but the whole world through their Jesuit secret army who infiltrates countries to take over and run their political system. this same Jesuits have been expelled in over 83 countries through history because their agenda of usurping political power was uncovered.

"See, sir, from this chamber I govern not
only to Paris, but to China, not only to
China, but to all the world, without any
one to know how I do it "
---Michaelangelo Tamburini
14th Jesuit General ,
1706-1739
the above is a statement from a Jesuit general hundreds of years ago.

I will look further into this since I'm a good student of history.
Your argument was sound and based on real historical events that I know .
Nonetheless it is still open to debate

Courz:


Ah Yes. I watched this video a long time ago. That was a wonderful talk although incomplete. They switched off his Mic and got him out of there. The man was really skillful in handling where the talk was going. True Christians will receive that talk with all their hearts because he was trying to tell JWs in that hall The Good News. What is the Good News? JWs will usually give a different answer to that question but the Bible explicitly tells you what the Good news actually is. I like how he pointed to when Apostle Paul said Stick to the Basics. Very important.

How they handled this man tells you Watchtower is demonic. If your talk isn't about allegiance to the Governing body or organisation or how to do more for Watchtower, that talk will never be approved. All the same, kudos to that man. He has got some balls giving that talk. I know exactly what he was doing. He's PIMO.

His delivery was natural not someone who was qouting from a script verbatim.
He STICK TO THE BASICS

Courz:


His own is special. You need to see how he shifts Goal posts. You will be doubting that you are chatting with an Adult. Real Coconut head! And his Lies oozes like excreta.

I guesse he's programmed

Janosky:

Does Your own Bible have a Greek/Hebrew lexicon for Congregation or Council?

Strong's 5475 Council - " a company of persons",
Psalm 89:7.

Oga go & learn or Carry your delusion outta here. to

Were is the organization?

achorladey:


You never see anything. You just dey start

The guy is just jumping back and forth no direction

Janosky:


All this one na empty tantrums.
It doesn't change anything about Isaiah 6:8 , Psalm 89:5-7 ,Acts 15:14-17, John 9:4 & Isaiah 43:10(ASV)
Jehovah is the Supreme C.E.O.
You are either working for Jehovah and His Organization, Isaiah 6:8, or you are not.

When I want to have a good laugh I just come to this forum to read your comments

E be like sey Janosky worse pass our intelligence officer oooo

Courz:


Are you serious? They dragged him away from the platform simply because he read a bible verse that Watchtower never quotes?
Isn't this proof that Watchtower is demonic? What is wrong with that bible verse? Wow! What is the title of the video?

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DF0S1FffE2SE&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjwwIzlvfb5AhWORvEDHd78DhkQtwJ6BAgDEAE&usg=AOvVaw3iE9vMeB_AV6FyKLqlZN8E

cornelboy:

You didn't answer the question na.

The 12 disciples and the early church were the first true worshipers Jesus testified. They did worship God in spirit and truth, they preached the gospel to other places as Jesus commissioned them untill the Catholic took over the church by force.
The true worshipers were killed and pure doctrines of the church were distorted.

Now the JWs are here and are taking pure worship back as it were in the early church.
They are the true worshipers we have today.

If it's not the JWs then Christianity, religion, Bible are scams. Everyone should stop believing in God.

Identifying with any man-made organization does not guarantee us salvation, that's the big mistake people make thinking that just being a member of a church is enough.
True Christians are identified not by wearing a crucifix or identifying with any denomination claiming to be the one and only
Christians are identified by their adherence to all of Christ's commandment and abstinence from anything that will prevent them from inheriting the kingdom.
Proclaiming a false goodnews (majority of the so-called Christian churches are guilty of this)
has grievous consequences. So we must be very careful of what we feed people with and make them believe.

Courz:


Actually, Any translation that helps you to understand the Bible is good.

As for Fred Franz, don't mind that fraud JWs were worshipping. He lied that he knew Greek abi Hebrew yet he couldn't translate when asked to. Is that not why Watchtower refused to release the names of the JW Bible translation team? Fred Franz's nickname was The Oracle. The name should tell you what Watchtower was doing. Spiritism. Fred Franz was the one who came up with the prediction of 1975. So, if he was still alive, he would have concocted more outrageous predictions plus doctrines.

Do you know that Fred Franz kicked against the formation of the Governing body during a convention? The JWs in the convention were confused. He said the formation of a Governing body is not Biblical. Because he was President of Watchtower and needed all the power but some Watchtower officials needed power too, there was a tussle. This just shows that the doctrines of JWs depend on the person or people in Leadership. If these Governing body die off, a new leadership will come up with another set of doctrines again.

Lest I forget, I saw a video of a brother giving a talk and then he read Romans:10:8&9
"The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Immediately the brother was dragged from the platform
The video is on YouTube, I later heard he was disfellowshiped later.( There's a follow up video of his interview I think I will check it out to get the full story)