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Templee333:
but personal choice of what holidays to celebrate is a crime? personal choice on who to marry is a crime?

You dey mind this confused people

Courz:
Those books are real junks! Waste. They are now old light.

I remember when I used to read the Young People Ask Book and take what I see there so seriously. But in my interaction with a lot of Young JWs, I found out that no one reads that book. I got the impression that a lot JW Youths see that book as old fashioned and prefer to do as they like having a lot of sex and what not. That was when I realised that a lot JWs are not in the Cult because they want to be better people or because they want to increase their knowledge in the Bible. A lot of them are mentally lazy and that's why it is easy to feed them junk. Do you know that EXJWs watch their Broadcasts more than JWs themselves? A lot of them don't even know what is in their website. But they will be arguing with you.

They don't subject the material they are being supplied with to scrutiny.
They just gloss over it and call God's only organization.
*Diverting from the topic a little, I heard a brother said he was disfellowshipped for talking about Jesus, they said he was talking too much about Christ that he had to be reported to the elders.
Omo I been no fit laugh
I now believe why people say they hate Jesus

Courz:
More.....

I remember discussing with a schoolmate who was also a JW.
So somewhere into the discussion I talked about using an online interlinear translation for extensive study. Suddenly I told him that if Grimm-Thayer is available online it would have been much better.
They guy was like what's Thayer?
I went on to tell him about Liddell&Scott including James Strong.
"Are this books owned by the org?" He asked

I told him:"That the Borg qoutes from some of this lexicons that I mentioned?"
He later added: "But we have INSIGHT from the scriptures you don't need to search outside?"

*Meanwhile this guy is a very intelligent person, but the Borg succeeded in limiting him from searching things for himself.
I remember back then when I will read all the watchtower bound volumes at home.
Read Revelation/Daniel Prophecy cover to cover. Sometimes at the meetings I when met with a few friends I'll try to impress them with what I just read recently but all I got was a few strange looks. I bet some of them never opened those books.

Now I came to discover that I was chasing after the wind, all those knowledge took me nowhere, I was feeding on Junk.

Courz:
Watchtower is losing its grip on Japanese JW Youths. They want to japa! Wonderful! Japan is one of those countries where Watchtower is experiencing Huge loss of members.

It's the reverse here in Nigeria, many youths over here have this delusion that just being a jdub guarantees salvation. Some our just there because of the cabal they belong to (either the get-together freaks or the rich family squad_mostly friendship with benefits).
Non of them can give a systematic breakdown and analysis of their doctrines or a proper exposition of the scriptures.
A typical kid from the Borg is programmed to answer "It's of pagan origin" when asked about birthdays/other holidays (I know a lot
JW kids that celebrate it over here, this kids are just tired of uneccessary burden, I certainly have nothing against them).

Courz:
You will always get silly reply. See a silly reply that carries no weight above. So, drop your bomb here!

Ok Sir

Courz:
If you ask me, there is something more to this No Beard Rule. If you look at dangerous Cults, they always have rules, rules that don't make sense. If you look well, you will hear things like,

Always wear white

Always wear black

Don't eat this food.

Shave the whole of your hair leaving the middle or the front.

Don't do this, don't do that, etc

And when they create these rules, there is always something Diabolical that requires that. And you can't question these rules and logical reasons are not given for them because there is something more to them. You just have to obey.

This their god, Jehovah, aka Satan, always creates many rules in his different religions. For Watchtower to even write articles defending their stand, even depicting Jesus Beardless in the beginning, if you try to even keep small goatee, you will be warned as if you have committed one grave offence, JWs will be avoiding you, shows you there is something more to it. During Russell's time, they kept beards. Now, they show Jesus and his disciples with beards. Still, Beards are forbidden.

Watchtower likes to quote Encyclopedia about a topic when it suits their doctrines like Birthdays. But they never quote Encyclopedia when it says that Jerusalem wasn't destroyed in 607 bce. They quote where certain celebrations are shown to have pagan roots but they never quote where Father of a bride walking her down the aisle, wedding rings, Wedding emblems, Bridesmaids, Baptism, Days of the week, wearing jewellery, keeping cats as Pets, putting on makeup, covering your mouth when you yawn, etc have Pagan roots. In fact, The months of the year are named after Roman gods.

The word WATCHTOWER is pagan also.
SUNDAY WORSHIP is also pagan.
This people are very funny

MaxInDHouse:
Demon don enter this one he no know wetin he go do again!

Master of Ad hominems
I hail thee

Any more silly replies I'm detonating bomb on this thread, I mean bomb.

This particular bomb is from the study edition of a WATCHTOWER.
STAY TUNED

If I'm going by the JW style of reasoning, the GB telling the brothers to shave of their beards is indirectly promoting pagan customs.
A typical watchtower article will be like:

"Shaving has pagan roots. It was likely first practiced by Egyptian priests, and later promoted by Alexander the Great. (See wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaving) During Christian times, Christians wore beards whilst the pagan Romans, such as Pontius Pilate who authorized the impalement of Jesus, were clean-shaven..........."

Courz
OtenaAron
Temple333
Archoladey
ChristianFreedo

Beards are part of facial hair, keeping beards are neither wrong or sinful.
Same as being clean shaven doesn't make you righteous or automatic salvation.

CHRISTIANs are a free people who are not bound by the creeds of men.

A beardless Jesus on the Watchtower Publication (*Name on the photo)

Courz you know there was one time the even made Jesus beardless.


*In 1954, “Questions From Readers” took two full pages to provide detailed explanation of the historical and Scriptural "evidence" of Jesus beardlessness.

“The traditional picture of Jesus shows him with long hair and beard, but the Watch Tower publications illustrate him as beardless and with short hair. Which is correct? — M.H., United States.

"The later Watch Tower publications show Jesus as beardless and with short hair because he is shown that way in representations of him that are older than the traditional effeminate-looking picture.

..........Since the Bible does not describe Jesus’ facial appearance or indicate he had a beard of length, we follow the oldest archaeological evidence rather than the later traditional view that makes Jesus appear effeminate and sallow and sanctimonious. Some use Isaiah 50:6 as proof that Jesus had a beard: "I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting." This may have been literally fulfilled in a typical way upon Isaiah, foreshadowing the shameful insults and reproaches to be heaped upon the servant class, the primary one of whom is Christ Jesus. Each one of the servant class suffers reproaches, but not necessarily all of the ones here specified. The record shows Jesus was whipped, slapped and spat on, but no mention is made of beard-plucking. If it had happened why would it not have been named along with the other abuses and insults? (Matt. 27:26; Mark 14:65, NW) In fact, the Septuagint rendering of Isaiah 50:6 does not mention the cheeks’ being plucked of hair, but as being slapped instead: "I gave my back to scourges, and my cheeks to blows; and I turned not away my face from the shame of spitting." The record in the Gospels states all this did literally happen to Jesus.” Watchtower 1954 Aug 15 p.511

This people can twist turn and disassemble facts to prove anything, I mean anything
More coming

SeniorMan715:
The Mosaic Law required men to wear a beard, Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, nor are they obliged to observe it. Lev 19:27 though in some places, a neatly trimmed beard may be acceptable and respectable, some brothers have beards, some brothers might decide not to wear a beard. 1 Cor 8:9, 1 cor 10:32

Christians are not under the Mosaic Law but the building blocks of your Judicial Committee set up is taken from that law.
It's actually laughable how you guys brought legalism into the congregation

MaxInDHouse:
See mumu!

So who were their people worshiping before God ordered the Israelites to DESTROY them? Rahab was an inhabitant of Jericho that God's people destroyed, Ruth was a Moabite that God's people destroyed.

Perhaps you people just think it's ordinary stupid wars you're going about today praying to the same God so as to kill your fellow believers, shey?

They guy I qouted did not put that statement properly. Ruth was married to Naomi's one of son which will make her a nominal Jew, living in Moab.
As for Rehab she was a prostitute, whatever she worshipped was not mentioned we are made to know that she believed in the God of Israel that is why she protected the two spies.
So just saying that this people directly worshipped SATAN is an unguided statement.

You see how you just displayed your foolishness
No be me do you oooo
Intelligence officer my foot

Aemmyjah:
Rahab and Ruth worshipped Satan but they found the truth
Look, we help people of all sorts regardless of faith by preaching the good news to all and rendering practical help and advice
What has keeping beard got to do with this?
You're full of hate and unreasoning
Since you have the truth, tell us here or remain silent and stop singing cries

Did those two women actually worship Satan?
Know were to draw the line

Janosky:
Empty Rants and tantrums of WAILERS.
Check the records of 1 Samuel 16:6, and 1 Samuel 3:20, Is prophet Samuel's FALSE prediction in your Bible?

Check the records of Matthew 26:31-35,69-75 , Luke 24:21,25, Luke 19:11, are the disciples FALSE predictions in your Bible ?

They say God is Unchangeable CHANGER but the same people will forget that & always throw tantrums that Jehovah's servants change their doctrine.
Why are these WAILERS not offering animal sacrifices today as Moses did?
John 3:16 & Hebrews 10:10,God CHANGE the doctrine, you mumu WAILERS.

1 Corinthians 13:9-10, Jehovah's servants would never have perfect knowledge of everything until God's kingdom.

Just continue deceiving yourselves throwing tantrums like kids.

I always question your sanity, Until you start thinking like a normal human being you'll get my attention
For now I live you for the psychiatrists.
GO FOR A REHAB!!!!

FRANELCLINIC:
That's what I'm saying. You refuse to cite any scripture that we ‘misinterpret.’ You just make claims that we misinterpret scriptures without citing any as an example to prove your point.

In any case, it's good that you don't have time for this discussion, lest this should turn into a keyboard cold war.

Okay, If you want me to show the scriptures your religion misinterpret I kindly do that on a different thread and wait for your refutation.
I don't make empty claims.
My sayings are backed with enough evidence

AkinwaleJJ:
Must they reply?
Why can't we discuss about your own church and what you were taught as doctrine?

My own church JW taught me false doctrines and guilt tripped me, making me scared of Armageddon (their version of the hellfire taught by Christendom)
They said that my salvation depends on my unquestionable obedience to the 8men in New York.

Aemmyjah:
Funny, I have said that we now know more than him
Yes,he rediscovered Bible truths in a progressive manner. Did he do all that alone?
Even in the Bible times, some things had to be changed or done away with as well as understanding of matters helping them to change perspective of expectations
Your argument is baseless

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"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188


*The screenshot below was the morning text for Wednesday. It says in part:
"THE TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD DOES NOT CHANGE"

Courz:
Use your brain! You are not stupid, are you? Your many words are not helping. Read my question oblver and over again. Think think think!! I know Watchtower has shut off that part of your brain responsible for critical thinking.

You JWs believe that 1914 was the starting of War, Famines, Earthquakes, etc But history disagrees with you. If you do proper research in history books and encyclopaedias which Watchtower loves to quote, you will find out that 1914 was not the starting period of these events.

Jesus told his disciples that they will see and hear About War, famines, Earthquakes, etc. The problem with you JWs is you read verses and apply to yourselves only forgetting that Jesus was also addressing his disciples.

Tell me, if 1914 is truly the year Jesus became King and that was marked by the above events, how will the disciples see or hear about the events in 1914?

These people tell outright lies with confidence and want you to forsake your brain in order to be part of their deceit.
They don't give straight answer but write a long meaningless paragraph

None of them replied my comment
Diabolical Deceiver's

Our Lord Jesus said at Matthew 12:37:
"For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

*Now let's here from the horses mouth the self-a claimed God's channel of communication.

"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?
IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"
These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?
... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as INTERNATIONAL BIBLE STUDENTS. Today they are known as JEHOVAH'S CHRISTIAN WITNESSES.
... OF COURSE, it is easy to say that this GROUP ACTS AS A "PROPHET" of GOD. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to REVIEW THE RECORD. Thus this group of anointed followers of Jesus Christ, doing a work in Christendom paralleling Ezekiel's work among the Jews, were manifestly the modern-day Ezekiel, the "prophet" commissioned by Jehovah to declare the good news of God's Messianic kingdom and to give warning to Christendom." Watchtower 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'

*Spot on they've now declared themselves as Jehovah's prophet, and the even told us to check the records for ourselves, Interesting right? Shall we....Let's go

"The date 1925 is EVEN MORE DISTINCTLY INDICATED BY THE SCRIPTURES because it is FIXED by the law God gave to Israel. Viewing the present situation in Europe, one wonders how it will be possible to hold back the explosion much longer; and that even before 1925 the great crisis will be reached and probably passed".Watchtower, September 1, 1922, page 262.

"Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. CERTAINLY THIS IS A FINE WAY to spend the SHORT TIME REMAINING before the wicked WORLD'S END." Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3 How Are You Using Your Life?

#None of this prophecies were fulfilled, nothing happened, so what next, did they past the test as "God's True Prophets". Well the next line says it all......

*So I conclude with the words of Watchtower May,1 1997, page 8:
"Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of FALSE MESSENGERS. HOW DOES HE EXPOSE THEM? HE FRUSTRATES their SIGNS and PREDICTIONS. In this way he shows that they are SELF-APPOINTED prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own FALSE REASONING - yes, their FOOLISH, FLESHLY THINKING!"

*Brothers and Sisters, Friends, Enemies, Yet to be friends. You remember the words of Christ?

"For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

*The WATCHTOWER has used their own mouth to confess that they are actually false prophets......they will continue shooting themselves in the leg.
Courz
Oteenaron
Temple333

Lukuluku69:
And lying on top saying the Account belongs to his wife lol.

Who dey marry that dunce sef?

If you ask me na who ah go ask

AkinwaleJJ:
When people have crooked hearts they won't like to reason at all!

How can someone who is anticipating what God promised be likened to false prophets?

That's why i gave them the example of John the baptist who had wrong expectations about what the Messiah (Christ) supposed to do. Matthew 11:3
Jesus quickly declared John the baptist as the greatest of all the prophets prior to his time {Matthew 11:11} because those present may begin to harbour doubts about John the baptist for asking such question.
Jesus knew that John as an imperfect human only had a wrong expectation which is no crime from God's standpoint.

But crooked people will like to condemn God's servants just to console themselves that there is no divinely approve standard for everyone and if there is nobody is following it!

Why make the wrong predictions with bold face when you know it's not correct?
If God no punish una, mek I know why

AkinwaleJJ:
This is why i told you:

"Your God differs from mine"

You asked a question and at the same time you're answering, what then do you expect me to do? Start arguing with you?

Well just as i've told you Jesus knew the time of his Kingship (1914) but the time to destroy evildoers is what he must wait for!

There are two events tied to Jesus' presence in his kingdom.
(1) The time to send Satan and Demons away from heaven {Revelations 12:7-12} Jesus knew this perfectly.
(2) The time to destroy evildoers and send Satan to the Abyss {Revelations 20:1-3} this is what Jesus himself didn't know.

Because he himself must exercise patience as destruction of life means a lot to JEHOVAH and Jesus must show his willingness to wait unlike humans who are desperate to rule Jesus isn't desperate so he needs to prove faithful to the end.

So don't mix it up. The date to send Satan out of heaven differs from the date to destroy all evildoers!

Courz our intelligence officer don do undercover he's now using his double to spit gibberish

MaxInDHouse:
I've always told you that you're an atheist but in disguise!
Once you're always expecting miracles before you can believe (trust) in the existence of God, is that not the argument of your disguised atheistic brothers?
Well let me enlighten you on the secret Jesus revealed to us:

Faithful people throughout the earth will share the same line of thought {John 17:22} so there will not be any division among them {1Corinthians 1:10} but as for faithless crowds they will be bundled into various sects though they will all oppose the united family of TRUTH yet they themselves will never agree on anything {Luke 11:23} other than just to support themselves against God's people!

That's why you can't confidently mention the name of your sect because you know there's nothing you can say to challenge your real brothers: the Atheists!

Intelligence officer, go and rest abeg
Wetin be this?
I know Atheists and Trinitarians are your nightmares but I'm none of them

FRANELCLINIC:
It is interesting that our opposers aren't willing to analyse our interpretation of the scriptures. And that's because they know that we know the scriptures.
All they do, as you're now doing, is make vague statements of how we are “falsifiers”, etc.
Hi


If it looks like a bird, then, without any compelling evidence to the contrary, we have warrant to conclude it's a bird.

Opposers? Who?
You mean your falsification of the scriptures?
Huh! Some people just be speaking without knowledge and making baseless assumptions.
Which organization has been taking scriptures out of contexts? What makes you different from the Churches of Christendom?
Not even to talk about your heretical doctrines that is a total deviation from first century Christianity.
No I've gone a long way, It's obvious that I don't have time for this particular discussion.

FRANELCLINIC:
It is interesting that Jehovah has always had witnesses on earth since the beginning of time. Even before human creation, Jesus, “the beginning of the creation by God,” in his role as Jehovah's “Word,” was His spokesman to all the spirits in heaven. For this reason, he has always been called “the faithful and true witness.” (Revelation 3:14) And starting with Abel, all those who, by words and actions took sides with God, were all known as his “witnesses.”—Hebrews 11:4-12:1.

Isaiah’s prophecy, moreso than any other prophetic writing, found fulfillment in the congregation of God, such as Isaiah 8:17, 18 (Hebrews 2:13); Isaiah 49:6 (Acts 13:47); Isaiah 49:8 (2 Corinthians 6:2); and Isaiah 53:1 (Romans 10:16). It is therefore no surprise that Isaiah 43:10-12 should also be fulfilled in God's congregation.

A witness is a person who proclaims truths about which he is convinced. The apostles proclaimed those truths that they had “seen and heard.” They could not stop doing so, for they were true, and not false, witnesses of God. (Acts 4:18-20; comp. 1 Corinthians 15:15)

The truths which we proclaim, we ourselves are utterly convinced—truths about Jehovah's name and his universal sovereignty; and this qualifies us to be witnesses of the true God.
This body of truths is called “the good news of the Kingdom of God” (Luke 8:1) because only by subjecting oneself to God's sovereignty, acknowledging him as one's King, will he enjoy lasting peace and stability in his lifetime—such peace and stability as is referred to at Psalms 90:14.

In the future, Jesus Christ will establish this heavenly government over all mankind, removing all our ills and causing God's will to be done to the full. (Matthew 6:9, 10; Revelation 21:4, 5) God's name, or reputation, is involved too, as He alone has the right to lead and direct ALL his creation.

Jehovah is one God, and so he only accepts one form of worship, or “one faith.” (Ephesians 4:5) And just as Jehovah has always had one people representing him, so also now: His worshippers are organised into “one body,” (Ephesians 4:4) being taught and governed by one “faithful steward,” (Luke 12:42) whom the “one shepherd” appointed over his “one sheep.”—John 10:16.
This should not be surprising because even the original Christians were governed by “the apostles and elders in Jerusalem,” (Acts 15:23; 16:4) and those who taught the congregations were solemnly charged, commanded, by these same apostles and elders to not teach “a different doctrine.”—1 Timothy 1:3.

Submitting to his sovereignty includes acknowledging his right to determine how HE wants to be worshipped, and choosing to worship him in the way that is “clean and undefiled from the standpoint of . . . God [not from our own standpoint].”—James 1:27.

https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&lank=pub-lffv_181_VIDEO

"Another one!!!" (In DJ Khaleds voice), the come in different colors.
This one is packaged as "Truth", it's appealing and looks genuine to uninformed persons.
But looking deeply is just a spin of the scriptures to fit the dogma of the organization.

Fairy tale hell fire
This same thing was also believed by the heathens

Maynman:
My pleasure

I can't see any of them making a clear arguments devoid of curses, just hurling ad hominems here and there

Aemmyjah:
Did I say Christianity is synonymous to theism. For millenniums, there have been myriads of religions and they all profess belief in God
I'm not a polytheist neither is Max. Stop talking like a mad man and act gentlemanly. Is this how atheists behave? Oh, most atheists believe in evolution right- that God is not responsible for making the universe. They also believe that man evolve from beasts. Now I see who is exhibiting beastly behavior. Hmm, you are indeed an atheist in character. Chop knuckle

*Red Herring alert!!!!