Nah, I wouldn't make it so typical. Why will I use a Pitbull on you
So you doubting the profiency of what? My training or the dogs themselves? ... "Put Darco on me"? To what end? To prove what point? That your dog is trained too?
DOn't get me wrong ooo. I will be under a protective suit and I will do the same for you.
We all know the malinois is easier to train than the Rottweiler but is it stronger or deadlier? A rot doesn't need training to rip your malinois to shreds.....that's my point
As I said, I'm not in a dog fighting business. Human aggression is far different from dog aggression. The poorest dog in my kennel will dominate one of my best dogs but when I need them to protect me, the dog dominant dog will shit on herself and find a place to hide. You need to understand that it is a different ball game. The smart man will always stay ahead of a dump ass strong man.
If that dog is left alone and a pack of wild dogs come what will it do? By showing us the pic of you with a gun you have admitted that you also have to be there to protect the malinois because it is not a very strong dog and it's agility doesn't do crap against a serious threat.
Will you not be there to protect a Kangal or CO? What the first clip of this video and see how a lion ran away from people.
Exactly what I said earlier, you are using the malinois to chase and attack poachers not stronger threats If the malinois are so powerful to protect those animals, why the machine guns?? Remember when I said Earlier that when malinois are used, people are usually armed with them??
The gun is for human safety when the dogs are not very close. Every animal has a breaking point and will run under the serious threat of human but the trained ones will give their lives instead. Now to take those CO and the like to the highest level is the question when they are too stubborn to learn new things.
IamAnderson: you guys are so quick to call for a "practical" between an untrained CO in Nigeria and a well trained malinois that has been trained since childhood. I said I wasn't going to comment on this thread again but, olumoadebayo will you be willing to fly Kongo out to Russia to face their well trained prison dogs? probably not because you're going to come back alone. your dogs are well trained, stop comparing them to untrained CO's in Nigeria and BTW malinois are used in the White house because of the same reasons they are used by police, they are just their to sniff chase and apprehend not kill.... imagine the white house being guarded by kangals, the results will be catastrophic. you still haven't made any point other than dismissing facts and further proving the already known fact that malinois are good working dogs and saying "let's have a real life practical with your untrained CO" I will say this again for the last time, malinois and Caucasians,kangals e.t.c are very different dogs with different uses...they both excel at what they do but let's not get crazy and say a malinois can beat a kangal or a CO. I have even seen a case where a guy that had 2 gsd's and one CO got attacked with armed robbers. the gsd's fled at the sound of the first gunshot but the CO stayed and fought of the thieves. the dogs where not professionally trained and they reacted out of instinct. an untrained malinois can run at the sound of a bullet or stay and fight, it all depends on the dogs confidence. stop painting them like they where born confident an diligent to their duties. again, your malinois are well trained if you want to compare the efficiency of the dog, check the well trained CO's in Russia. if a fight between a well trained malinois and a well trained CO should happen, the CO will decimate the malinois... this is a very logical fact(irrespective of the love you have for the breed). a malinois is and will never be as deadly as any mastiff of molasser dog(another fact) if you can read about these two breeds and also watch videos of their attacks and still say the malinois will win.....then you are a bigot. it's just like saying a skinny well trained fighter will be able to beat a huge muscular also well trained fighter because she's "agile" or "brave" or she has so much " fight" in her. agility can only take you so far when your opponents hits are as powerful as five of your hits and also when your opponent can literary lift you up from the freaking ground! forget movies and what the predetermined script has said, the skinny girl will die a very messy death. until you can share a pic of a malinois doing something that shows it has as much power as a mastiff or molloser....your "experience"means crap don't overhype your dogs and lie about what they can do because you love them...I understand how you feel but I still need to call you out on your bigotry bro you have beautiful and well trained dogs but their usefulness has a limit, stop painting them as the " jack of all trades " of dogs. I dare you to post a pic of malinois being left to guard a place or apprehend enemies without armed men standing by to actually get the criminal..... they are good for sports, tracking, sniffing out things and chasing and catching things and people doesn't mean they are deadly or as powerful as mastiffs I have seen kangals and COs being left to guard farms and villages from bears and wolves but never malinois. the COs are left on their own to guard these places but a malinois is never on it's own in case a real threat comes by. I have read about a Tibetan mastiff that fought a whole pack of wolves(it later died after successfully warding them of) can your strongest malinois do that? please call a spade a spade and stop all this senseless argument until you can show me where malinois are left alone confidently to guard places like monasteries, farms, fields and prisons, you still haven't proved anything. Malinois are wonderful dogs in their own way but please don't paint them into being what they are not this comment is getting too long let's just end it like this.....if you are reading this, forget everything we said in the comments and go and research malinois and kangals or CO...watch their attack videos and use your own judgement to end this argument
Peace
Unforyunately, Kongo is dead. If I'm interested in dog fighting, I will get a gamebred dog not a Malinois. My malinois is an all-around dog suitable for human usage. A dog too big, too stubborn is not an asset.
abbeg: You think poachers just pick up rifles throw in some bullets and go elephant hunting? The size and caliber of the bullet matters a lot.Even what the bullet is made of.Titanium bullet will do much more damage than regular lead bullets.And the kangal was shot with a pistol.Even with high powered rifles and bullets big game are shot multiple times or in vital regions.Did you know a buffalos skull can deflect a regular bullet?And rhino skin can deflect a round from a magnum (one of the most powerful handguns).You don't just walk into a bush and start putting one bullet into animals.Try it with say a male lion and you might not survive.And kangals have thick skin though not nearly bulletproof. Aggression doesn't signify loyalty.Most times dogs that bark a lot or are too aggressive are nervous and are protecting themselves.Not their owners.Most Nigerian dogs are like this (being left to grow on chain and maltreated as 'training' ) As for why Dobermans aren't used I've said it a million times.
Poachers use wooden arrows only to kill lions and Rhinos. I was in SA to train with some anti-poachers dog handlers a few years ago and I have a firsthand insight on how they operate. It's the trophy hunters like Donald Trump Jnr that use guns. Still, it is the Malinois that is being trained to protect these animals.
See what someone is saying... Are you the first person to train dogs? Are you the first to where suits to train dogs? Do you think the people that measured it didn't have the correct equipments or what? Did you travel around the world in your suit for all those dogs to bite you or only your malinois? Why not go around and get the proper measurement for the bite force let's update Google Perfect example of you using "experience" to dismiss facts like Google is wrong and you are the only dog trainer in the world with the correct answers....I used to respect you and I also loved your threads but now....
Disagreement shouldn't have to affect my respect if you truly do. Bite force doesn't make a dog effective but skills and training do. Majority of the dogs with the high bite force doesn't have the mental strength to cope with rigorous training programs the working dogs of today are passing through. For example, if you use an ecollar too much on a Rotweiller, that is the end of it because the dog will shut down completely. Isreal military is using sentry dogs to attack, apprehend and kill Palestine, yet it is the Malinois only when other powerful breeds should be more ideal for the job.
You know I actually did test the bite force of an ABPT and a GSD. The reason for using this varying dogs that differ in so many things is cause I actually saw them being rated inca video "Top 10 Best Guard Dogs". The GSD being 3rd and the Pit 2nd. So we werked it out. Got someone to put on the gears, trigger them and I gave them the command. Even with the bite sleeve and chain, the scars left on the dummy's hand after the APBT showcased the talent in its fangs will narrate the story for you without you asking what happened. Like you said, pure bred APBTs might have no human-agression tendencies, ok but when trained to do what you want them to, in this case; to be aggressive towards mankind (on command). They can and will wreck havoc to that man that dares.
Give me your address and I will come and test your APBT for free with the condition of making videos. If you are ready to come to my place, I will put Darco on you as well. Deal?
abbeg: Aren't you posting your malinois stuff again? Almost a week now.It's this mindless (but interesting I have to admit I've learnt a lot)argument that's keeping traffic.Or is that what you want to keep going on here? Just one pic and this thread is back on track.
abbeg: Yes it is! That dog got mad skills but a kangal or Caucasian attack is still scarier. Even the ones in that training video.
I know we are on Nairaland where fact doesn't matter to both buyers and sellers but one day someone will read and fact-checked most of your claims.
Most people now see dogs as a luxury instead as a tool. That is why you see many people buy scary looking dogs just to boast with during dog walk or show.
abbeg: I knew that one was a lie from the beginning.It was a gang war instead and the pitbull killed it owner yes,but in another country and it didn't rip its head off. So you guys seriously think you can shoot a kangal randomly and it will drop dead? Why won't you be hyping malinois.
Just imagine if this hit was on your flesh with the suit but I guess it is all a hype.
kangal got shot eight times? I can't argue with you as I cannot argue what I do not know but I think it will be better for you to back it up instead of leaving it to me and if I remember clearly you have a Caucasian let's just wait for it to grow and we can do the bullet test at least Oluomoadebayo has agreed to put his dog to test you should probably do that too as it is more practical.
I will not even test with a bullet. I only need a water bottle or a little agitation stick.
abbeg: I didn't see it with my eyes but I saw one online.Nairaland to be precise .I've forgotten the Caucasian one but search 'kangal gets shot eight times after mauling old woman to death' I still remember that one.The Caucasian one it was a man testifying himself how his dog saved him from three armed robbers after getting shot.I dont remember where I saw that one.
I also saw it on Facebook that APBT removed his owner's head. Like I said earlier, propaganda over fact and it is very confusing and dangerous.
and how did you know about the bullet stuff? did you see a kangal or Caucasian that was shot maybe in the chest and survived and please I'm not agreeing on anything
This is when I realize he is not talking from fact. Thank you @space9880 for pointing this out.
abbeg: Me sef I'm tired.This malinois hyping is just never going to end in Nigeria.Until after like 5yrs maybe.That's how Caucasian flopped too in Nigeria
No one is hyping anything. I only had 3 litters in Nigeria and I started more than 5 years ago. I put to sleep the ones that are not up to my standard. I'm not doing this because I want you to buy from me. I'm doing this to improve the k9 community that is very watered because people choose propaganda over fact. If you are so sure of your dog, why can't I see anyone accept a practical test?
Anyone that is reading silently, do not buy Caucasian in the name of security in Nigeria. If you do, find a dog trainer to test the dog before risking your life on the animal.
abbeg: Okay.I understand your point.But it's still exaggerated. The people in the white house have their reasons(maybe it's for running down intruders and holding them till a handler comes not engaging them which is how Russians use their Caucasians) But the truth is mastiffs and co are still better guard dogs.It's in their blood.Malinois are more like special forces.Elite troops for precise operations.Mastiffs and lgd are more like tanks.Just go there and fight!! A thief is more likely to subdue a malinois than a kangal.I read somewhere how a thief killed a police malinois set on him with a penknife.If it was a Caucasian it would have ended differently. But then Caucasian aren't fast enough.Also big dogs tend to be lazy 'and only use energy when necessary.Most are also very stubborn (Caucasian) and that isn't a desirable trait for most people.So overall each is good in its own field. But if it were to come down to a fight... Big dog wins.Uncontested. ( gra gra doesn't apply when it comes to one on one)
I can kill any dog with a knife especially the big ones. Have you had a muzzle fight with dogs before? You will realize how easy it is to dodge the big dogs. When they come hard on you and they miss it takes some time to stand up and chase again and that is where an average dog has a better advantage. Police dogs in America are trained not to bite deeply because of court cases against the handler but the reverse is the case in Germany and Isreal. If a Malinois is biting you for real, brother, you won't remember the knife. Anyone can prove me wrong with his /her dog.
abbeg: We have admitted over and over that malinois are better working dogs due to their intelligence,desire to please and stuff like that but bigger dogs like mastiffs are better guard dogs.Afterall that's what they were created for.Who would want a slow stubborn Caucasian as an attack dog?It can't even fit in a helicopter when going on missions! But it excels on defending livestock and property.Why would I want a malinois to defend my flock against wolves and bears?They'll rip it apart! But it's one of the best working dogs out there.This argument started with someone crossing malinois over to the guard dog role.And claiming they outclassed Rottweilers and mastiffs at it.No one said Caucasians and their kind were necessarily better than malinois.But they are better guard dogs.That's for sure.You also need to be able to largely subdue the target.Malinois seem to lack the size and strength to fully accomplish this task. Another thing is the overhyping.Malinois aren't the strongest or smartest dogs out there.You don't need to be an expert to know that.Yet some people were acting like they were extremely strong and powerful dogs that can take down anything that moves.We both know this isn't true.They are determined yes but im not sure they pack the punch to do such.Even gsd are stronger. That's what stretched this argument this far. I'll delete this comment soon to make space for relevant posts.
So when I send a dog into an apartment to attack someone, is he not doing his job? If someone is invading your house, why won't he take him down? If you are in doubt come to my house and I wll put you under bite suit and lets see if you will be knocked down or not. You can delete your comment because if you don't history will quote your vague argument. Good working dog but a bad guard dog...lol
abbeg: First of all max is a movie.Second it's a children's movie.Third it has a written and predetermined script.Fourth all the dogs were told what to do beforehand so it's not a good example.Fifth max was the hero of the movie so of course he was going to win.In real life that fight would have been ended very badly for max.And since it's a kid's film footage of a malinois strewn all over a place would have been disallowed.After all we have seen more unrealistic things happen in movies (small skinny girl beats up big burly man in so many films).A Rottweiler can stand its ground against 2 pittbulls or german shepherds(unless you're saying a malinois which is basically a smaller skinnier gsd can take out two pitts)Can a Doberman win an English mastiff?(Dobermans are kind of similar to malinois except they are more vicious,smarter,bigger and stronger and English mastiff likewise to rott) If the English mastiff wins then why can't two rotts decimate a single malinois?Yes malinois are good working dogs but let it stay there.Saying they are better guard dogs than dogs bred for that purpose is just silly.Basically every mastiff and lgd can win a malinois in a fight (They do it with wolves which are faster stronger and smarter than malinois) so i dont get the hype on this thread.Id sooner get a Pitt as a guard dog than a malinois.Stop hyping them.The hype is so much it's making me hate them.Comparing 30kg+ malinois to 200kg+ Caucasian Be honest,which would you pick to attack you? I tried resisting the temptation to derail this thread further but the hype was just getting out of hand.I'll delete this comment soon.
No one is asking you not to hate them because you add no value to the breed even though you like them. Multiple agencies in the world cannot be wrong. The most guarded house in the world is US White House and they are using malinois to guide it. Bloodhound and the Retrievers are equally good trackers, yet, malinois are preferred. CO is a guard dogs like you claimed but people are entrusting their lives with a Malinois. There is a saying that says “It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.”
Exactly the reason why I involved myself in the conversation Silent viewers are yearning to learn. But with the much uneccesary comparing and comtrasting that as occured, I'm certain they are already lost in their decision Well I'm done with that conversation. Talks like this only yields discord among we brethrens and discredits the already made efforts of anyone involved
..Back to the purpose of the thread..
Those are beautiful canines. Your trainings are awesome, and your style of drilling dem' dogs too Been wondering, just some few quetions if you don't mind
I have a thick skin and I don't get angry or personal about dog stuff, it's just a dog at the end of the day but NL is now full of half-baked breeders that ride on the popularity of a certain breed in order to make money. Many unsuspecting buyers depend on google as well and anytime they see a Boerboel, they think they are getting a strong dog that used to fight lions. It is a chance for all of us to argue constructively without calling names. There is a lot to a breed,i.e, not every Malinois will kill or protect you. We need to start learning hence the reason for my thread here. I have never made money on here other than a few dog food I sold on this board
Hmm...interesting. In other words, you saying there was a time the Caucasian Ovcharkas was preferable in all ramifications than the BMs?
There was no time I ever thought CO was preferable. If the Russians are buying and cloning a Malinois, that tells you something. I get it that CO is scaring with their huge look but I need a savage dog.
Attached are the pictures of my friend, Paul. He has access to the best CO but yet a malinois breeder. He makes more money selling CO as a middle man to pet homes and google readers.
Are you actually contrasting yourself openly? Which bite force is most effective, the higher or the lower? You call the bite force of a dog irrelevant? Wow. Here I was, reading a thread on my prospective and beautiful breed of dog, the Belgian Malinois. From a "renowned breeder" in the Dog world of Nigeria. Until I kept reading on and stumbled upon some conversations or perhaps an argument between the fervent dog breeders about an obviously stronger breed of dog and an agile/trained(I wouldn't say weaker) breed of dog Pains me to say, the purpose of this thread is lost to an unknown cause.
Contradicting myself? Hell no. Let me find a way to explain this without revealing my training trade secret. There are a lot of dog breeds that have a stronger bite force than the Malinois but they are not as effective as the Malinois and the GSD. Even the Boerboels has a superior bite force. Majority of these dogs will bite and pull which causes less damage while a proper Malinois will dig in and bite. They bite as if their lives depend on it. I choose Malinois after seeing a lot of top dogs from different breeds. Malinois and GSD are the only dogs you can send into a burning house to search for survival that will still wag her tails. They are the only dogs that will go inside an unknown apartment to apprehend a terrorist. The only dog breeds you can take to war and trust their instinct better than yours. I did not choose GSD because of health problems and political issues in their breeding now. Many LE agencies are dropping out because of that reason as well.
As for the other breeds we have been discussing, they have their own strength and weakness but weaknesses and poor breeding has cost a lot. A CO will pass out if subjected to the same level of intensity you put a Malinois or GSD through. Too much jump will break their bones or damage the hip. Overheating will make her more stressed and less functional. Fila Brasileiro would have been my ideal big dog if I'm not an average dog size guy.
As for the APBT agility, I have seen a lot of videos showcasing their strength but I wouldn't say they have better agility. Have you worked with a Malinois before? You can only know which dog bites better if you are under a suit and not behind a computer.
I said trained Well, you haven't seen mine. And the ones I've trained, brotha
Hunt drive you say? They were bred for their strength, agility and their loyalty brotha. Do you know their renowned "loyalty" once made them the number one American Family Dog. You disagree? Well research will help. And if at all you don't find it on the net then let me know so I'll forward a video of their history and their traits to you. At least , you'd have no doubt left seeing that video
Now let me shock you, APBTs have better agility than the BMs and GSDs. I know you'll ask me why they aren't mainly used for police escorts and guarding. Well I'll leave you to research
You don't have to leave me to research, you can take up the challenge and let's put this to bed once and for all. APBT is a game-bred dog and the major quality outside the fighting ring is the hunt drive. If the police will take her up as a dog, it would be mainly for detection purpose. A proper bred APBT has zero human aggression.
I advertised this on my FB page 2 years ago. If I just want to make easy money, I will breed Caucasian Shepherd, Rotweiller and a Boerboel. Very easy to sell because of people like you but I will not sleep at night.
it's a normal thing for experience to come with bigotry so I'm done arguing with you. you still haven't said anything to prove your point except flaunting your experience and calling my facts "irrelevant". because you are a malinois expert doesn't make you a dog expert, just read up on other dogs except malinois.... you'll be surprised
I'm a dog trainer and I have actually worked with most of the breeds. I'm talking from real life experience with the dogs. In the picture, I was advertising CO puppies from Europe and I will share the link for you to see.
you still haven't understood my point...a malinois is not a strong dog your malinois are well trained but let's not deny the fact that a well trained CO in it's habitat will have your strongest malinois for breakfast. let me show you something... this is the record for dog bite force kangal 746 psi CO 550-700 psi bullmastiff 556 psi Rottweiler 328 psi pitbull 235 psi German Shepherd 238 psi malinois 195 psi human 145 psi can you see that a malinois can barely bite harder than a human? yet you compare their strength to other dogs that are obviously not in their league. because you get to see your malinois in action doesn't mean other dogs don't do better.. I like your dogs and I think they will be efficient in their line of duty but please don't overhype them. a malinois is basically a smaller German Shepherd. you will never see a malinois guarding a herd because it will be ripped apart by any predator but you will see them sniffing out drugs and tracking thieves. they are good dogs in their field yes but they are deficient in the strength aspect.
Effectiveness of the bite is the most important thing but I guess you haven’t work a dog in your life because it’s getting ridiculous with these irrelevant claims.
agboedeh: its nt about preferences, its about fact. I love DDR gsds with passion but DAT doesn't mean I'll put dem above all other dogs.
You haven’t provide any evidence to back up your claims ever since you started. I should have just ignored you but you will think you are correct. Why is it so hard to provide proof for these claims?
In heirachy, the Caucasian Ovcharka is higher in terms of fierceness and guarding duty thing. Making them better guard dogs than the BMs and GSDs This is not a convecture but a proven fact! Thorough research will make them learn better. And experience too Cheers!
Proven fact on NL? Why do you think the Russian military and their special forces are investing in a Malinois? Russian is the first federation to try to clone the Malinois because they are the perfect dog for any type of job. A fully trained malinois is worth 30k USD, that should tell you something but like I said before, everyone has a preference.
I don’t know how killing wolves is relevant to the scope of this thread but I want to remind you that they are classified as Herder which means they protect the flocks against the Wolves.
CO lost her glory many years ago and majority of the CO in this world now are bred for shows. Working people don’t take the breed serious because of they can only work perfectly in a specific weather.
Pets / Re: Belgian Malinois Breeding Plan In Nigeria. by oluomoadebayo: 3:19pm On Jan 24, 2019 
