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MaxInDHouse:
It's recorded in the Bible and people in far distant lands have folklores that says the same thing for instance Ifá methodology says:

"Nígbà tí Ògún ń ti ìsálú ọ̀run bọ̀ wá sí ìkọ̀lé ayé asọ iná ló mú bo'ra ẹ̀wù ẹ̀jẹ̀ ló wọ̀ sọ́rùn"

Meaning:

"When Ògún was coming from heaven to the earth, his clothing was fire and stained with blood"

So they believe that some superhumans came from heaven to the earth but it's the Bible that revealed the truth about this aliens.

What if Yahweh is a fallen angel too?

You haven’t thought of that..
The same way Yahweh came upon the surface of the earth in the beginning

What if they all descended from their respective places and chose different locations on earth

Yahweh landed in Israel, ogun landed in Yorubaland…

And that’s why Yahweh is a jealous god, he doesn’t want to share Israel with anybody

And he specially called that land his chosen land and his chosen people

You think the creator of the universe will be fighting for land like Yahweh did?

Yahweh is a demon!

MaxInDHouse:
First of all the origin of Bible isn't England in fact politicians and slave traders used the Bible to scam many people but that doesn't mean the book is fake.
Secondly whatever happened in the past is bygone after all you are speaking the language of this slave traders today so are you saying we should continue living in the past due to what happened back then?

See my prompt to chatgpt… you can see it straight and direct. Not beating around the bush..

What can you say about this?

MaxInDHouse:
God's word didn't tell us the names of those angels that left heaven and came to marry female humans {Genesis 6:1-2} but one thing is sure [b]they were highly intelligent superhumans after putting on human bodies.
So when i researched Ifá methodologies and discovered that some legends came from heaven to the earth (which is not possible for ordinary humans) i believe it must be these superhumans who later became gods in ancient times after God rejected them. 2Peter 2:4

Okay thank you…

So according to the Jewish version…. The African Orunmila is the demon, isn’t that racist?

How should we take it serious, the same people that treated your ancestors worse than animals, put them inside zoo and drowned them in Atlantic Ocean gave you this Bible ….

What do you think about this?

And again, what crime exactly did Orunmila commit… you haven’t said it… was he reported to have killed anyone, did he commit genocide ? Did he take human sacrifice ?

MaxInDHouse:
Better!

He’s right….
You are quite an interesting character… you have not answered a single question on every single issue addressed but you know how to continue to trend… lmao…

MaxInDHouse:
He's a demon that's why nobody can tell you about his lifestyle except the Bible but since you don't believe what the Bible says i'm sorry i can't help you.

So what part did the Bible mention Orunmila?

You make a claim, you can’t back it up…
I told you what I know about Elijah and those other evil characters in the Bible and backed it up with their crimes

So tell me exactly why Orunmila is a demon, back it up with the things you know about him…..

MaxInDHouse:
What do you know about the lifestyle of Ọ̀rúnmìlà?
You read about Bible characters and you are complaining as if you know people better than them.
If you can't say anything about the life of someone yet you want others to reply on him it's simple you're brainwashed into believing demons unseen beings!

Okay I don’t know much about his lifestyle…

Tell me! Since you know…

StillDtruth:
Hope you real eyes that these statements mean that you yourself confess that your claim, falls?

1) "That date doesn’t claim historical accuracy. Which clearly means both you and your calculator confess that you might be wrong.

2) Here, you confess that
Ziggurat of Eridu was truly built in Ur, a fact captured and stated in the bible, so, here, you are supporting Gabrielshow

Just to remind you why you are being ignored… I have eliminated you from the debate for being too dumb to converse with. All of you are dumb actually, but there’s a minimum expected.. you fell short below minimum.

Thanks !

MaxInDHouse:
You know nothing about what you think you know.
Ọ̀rúnmìlà is a demon.
But since you're running away from sense only to stand behind throwing tantrums i won't give you the opportunity to exchange insults.

Explain to me how Orunmila is a demon?

Based on your own personal experience ? Or based on what was written about him?

Everything I have argued about Bible and their characters are based on what was written about them… all of them


One character I like in the Bible for instance is Joseph… to be honest, he’s like one of the best stories written in the Bible.. his dreams, his journey and the way he achieved it despite all odds… he was disciplined and smart.. nice story… I won’t be calling Joseph a demon because I don’t believe in the Bible.. (belief is a different thing)

Some demonic characters and dumb characters painted like heroes in the Bible include : Elijah (merciless killer) , Abraham ( wanted to sacrifice his son and he fvked his wife’s maid), Jacob (cheat) , Moses (murderer, collaborated with his evil god to kill Egyptian children, led Israel to commit lots of genocide ) , David (murderer, committed genocide ) , Samson (suicide killer, commited genocide, he is quite dumb )

So tell me about Orunmila, forget whether you believe or not…

So do you understand now…( see as I dey explain, it’s not easy communicating with dull adults oo 😅)

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ Ọ̀rúnmìlà is a DEMON!
That's why you can't say anything about his lifestyle unlike real humans who lived normal lives that you and i can relate with.
So i repeat again if you want name your child whatever you wish but i will give my child a name that makes sense to me!

Some Signs of low IQ:

1. Poor listening skills
2. Inability to view the world from different perspectives

You have these traits

Let’ say the truth, you weren’t that sound academically …. And you thought it was the devil or God testing you… no bro, you aren’t just smart… one direction! Narrow minded

I just told you the meaning of Orunmila…. Yet you can’t take a minute to view from another perspective… I am not asking you to belief in Orunmila or not (belief does not matter)
If it isn’t your belief then it’s wrong and evil…. That’s a low mental faculty way of thinking

Whether you believe something or not doesn’t make it true or wrong…

For example, you can believe from now till the end that Buhari was never president… that doesn’t change the fact… belief it or not…
So beliefs are subjective and don’t change a thing

The best you can do is challenge that belief and put it to test…but it’s not your fault, your brian bandwidth is below that ability

Believe it or not…. You have a low IQ

FiveFootNinja:
Fair enough.



Yes, it was a response to something he stated, as a matter of fact. Attacking someone for relying on AI when you're also relying on AI for whatever reason automatically renders your point moot, your true intentions notwithstanding. If you can find reasonable justification for using AI, I'm sure Omoawoke will do the same if we start to heckle him.



You're the one who kept walking us round the circle only to keep reinforcing my point. I never intended to drag the issue any longer than necessary.

I'll see you when I see you like fantasia.

Good morning.

lol


@Gabrielshow24

Are you still pissed off at my use of Ai?

Seriously I thought we’ve gone pass this…

You really expect me to be spending my energy and time analyzing Tower of Babel and other dumb Bible stories to adults?

I am currently working on a process improvement project… and part of the things I work on is automation of NVA activities (non value adding ) that consume time, energy and resources yet don’t add much value… and we are implementing the use of AI… where staff can focus on more value adding tasks

I just used you as an experiment… in fact I will add this as an illustration to explain it in non technical terms…

Use AI to engage dumb debates online, while focusing your energy on more reasonable tasks..

Like I said, it’s time you dump that useless Bible as it’s not making you smarter… embrace technology !

All your Bible stories and arguments, I can annihilate everything within minutes just using my ChatGPT … without even opening the Bible

See this meme below, ChatGPT made it for you yesterday when you were debating it 🤣

paxonel:
There is a common factor about all humans.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

The story of Adam and Eve is just an illustration to show that all have sinned. Everyone have their own story about what sin that they have done. Only that Adam and Eve own was documented in the bible as an illustration to show what happens generally

Hmmm…

I see

So apart from the Bible saying this…. Any other verifiable source that all have sinned and if we don’t accept Jesus, we will perish and not have eternal life…

How come this good news and promise of salvation was brought to us by the same people who colonized and enslaved us?
The people who put us in chains brought the news of salvation after death?

All is looking like a scam to me… and worst of all, the Bible stories are inconsistent, filled with contradictions and we both agree on one thing that the Bible never mentioned us, Africans…..
The Bible was all about a certain people of 2000 years ago far away in Israel….
The Bible didn’t mention my ancestors Yoruba, and if I am unable to believe it, then I am doomed…

Bros, enough okay, you have tried in explaining the biggest bullshittt of all time , it’s not easy but you tried… 🤣

And fyi, you are in no position.. I repeat, no position to determine or guess what happens to anyone after death…
Don’t ever in your life again mention that anywhere to anybody…

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know Ọ̀rúnmìlà's lifestyle?
Ọmọ i will give my child a name that i can give the child a reason why i choose that particular name for him.
If you like name your child anything that pleases you i'm less concerned!

So what’s Orunmila lifestyle? The one your colonizers told you?

I heard of Elijah and he’s a terrible human being… an evil murderer that was painted like a hero

Or Abraham, the one that almost used his son for sacrifice ( imagine someone almost slaughtering their son in the name of obeying a daft god)

Is it not Abraham that fuvked his wife’s maid…

And they painted them like heros… bros, all na packaging… nollywood script

I repeat, if you are sure…. Say to yourself that your Orun will not la!

paxonel:
it does not depend whether i think so or not.
Moreover, burning in hell does not necessarily mean you will burn in hell like the misconception religion is teaching even till today.
It simply means when you die, you are gone forever. No resurrection for you.

Adam and Eve sinned from the beginning death came. But Christ resurrected such that we too will resurrects after we die and continue to live eternally on this earth.
Now, what are the evidences that all these are true?
The evidences are fulfilment of prophecies.
We saw that prophecies written in the bible thousands of years ago came to existence in this present time exactly the way the prophecies were written, and it becomes an overwhelming common trend today.

So, if it was written in bible thousands of years ago. How did the writers know that these trend was going to happen?
And according to what was written that we have read, there was a consistent pattern and signs to show from generation to generation, from era to era, that it will happen until it eventually happened and we are seeing what has happened that it is present with us today, affecting our world political systems and our various individual interests unknowingly, and as evidence to relate it with what was written thousands of years ago

There has never been any such thing in the history of mankind.

For this reason, the book is currently the best selling book in the whole world because a lot of people want to know what exactly is inside the book in order to grasp or understand it content, because they are sensing something strange,influencial and unique about it that no one can deny till this moment.
ok, when you say descendant, what exactly do you mean?
Are you saying descendant by evolutionary trend or you are saying that Adam and Eve or Noah are directly my ancestors?

Just imagine the variation
The geographical distance between Africa where i am and were these people could possibly exist in their time.
It is not possible that Adam or Noah could be anyone's Ancestors of today.

And for your information, there are evidence in the bible to show that other humans were already living in some places on earth as at the time the bible documented that Adam and Eve were crested

Okay, cool

We are heading somewhere

So you aren’t a descendant of Adam and Eve….

Hmmmm

I’m really curious now and I want to understand

So the fall of Adam and Eve, the entire story of Adam committing a sin, going against Gods original plan… and Jesus coming to die for their redemption…

Since we Africans aren’t connected to this guys, then what’s our business with their stories?

We have our own history as Africans, why can’t we invest in our own and write our own history….

What’s my business as a Yoruba person with Noah and co?

Gabrielshow24:
It's personalized that you can't deny!
Now it doesn't take one bit from present Scientific evidence that also I accept!

Now my entire point is the plausibility of such!
It could well be a myth until proven otherwise.

So I personalized Ai to argue about Tower of Babel being false?

And to generate the Bible verses and the historical timeline according to the Bible?

You know why you should stop at this point, you are seriously embarrassing yourself and exposing your lack of intelligence.

What you said, does it make sense even to you?


If I personalized it to generate the maths it did, all I am asking is that you do same and counter it…
Or pick up your Bible and prove it wrong…


I was making a claim to someone the other time that marvel sells better than Bible… he challenged me, rather than arguing, I simply checked it out and all evidences shows that the Bible is the best selling book…should I continue arguing just to prove that “I cannot be wrong”. Of course no, I’m not a fool…

I simply accepted and moved on… and now, I’ve learnt since then that the Bible is the best selling book in the world..
That’s how the world works…. I dislike people like you not only because you are daft but because you are quite foolish…. A fool is someone who will never change, never open to correction and learning and will continue to fight against knowledge…
So you rather blame the tool I used instead of facing the issue

I believe I’ve said enough, bye!

Gabrielshow24:
It's not shitty, it's plausible!
There are other external sources even from ancient sumeria that backs up the biblical narratives 🤧.

Bring it here and prove it

Gabrielshow24:
Well, that's your opinion. I am in the tech sector, you don't need to tell me how LLMS work😂😂😂.
I use it in the form of co-pilot to write redundant codes while I handle code architectures.

Kindly tell me another half baked premise🙃

And before you run away,

Do you now agree that Tower of Babel story is shittty…. It never happened?

Don’t be ashamed, it’s okay to be wrong about a belief… it’s not a do or die affair… just speak the truth , common!

Gabrielshow24:
Well, that's your opinion. I am in the tech sector, you don't need to tell me how LLMS work😂😂😂.
I use it in the form of co-pilot to write redundant codes while I handle code architectures.

Kindly tell me another half baked premise🙃

So why don’t u use your bible to write codes? Shebi Bible is perfect ?


ChatGPT is greater than Bible

ChatGPT is more important than the Bible

Chat gpt is mightier than the Bible
ChatGPT is more useful than the Bible

Gabrielshow24:
Kindly tell chatGpt that there are other Scientific reconciliations based on the tob narrative 🤔. Others have written books to proffer intermediary explanations to reconcile with Scientific knowledge!

I don't need to tell it this, giving the fact that it must have been trained on such data🤔 but as usual ChatGpt has been personalized to fit your own preferences.

Good night 😴. Let me know when you decide to think for yourself 🙃

Now, that’s the dull brain I am talking about

Whether Ai is personalized to me, it doesn’t matter… that’s not the issue !! Are you this daft?? I repeat, FACE THE ISSUE, IS ANYTHING WRONG AMONG WHAT I POSTED HERE FROM CHATGPT? IS IT MY OWN COOKED FACT OR THE REAL FACT?? “


Simply counter everything it said, if it was personalized to me, then the things it said would be easily countered….. simply prove it wrong !

Truth is truth… nothing like personalized truth ..

Haba,!!! Later you will say you have a brain yet you can’t apply critical reasonings

Gabrielshow24:
Remember, the ability to think critically and independently is a muscle that needs exercise. So, while you’re busy critiquing others, perhaps it’s time to flex your own mental muscles and see where they take you. After all, the best insights often come from those who dare to think for themselves!

Also, you’re quick to dismiss my intellect, yet here you are, leaning heavily on technology to challenge biblical narratives. It’s like trying to win a race while riding a bicycle with training wheels—sure, you might get somewhere, but where’s the thrill of the ride?


Thanks for the allowing me, match my intellect with ChatGpt's🙃🤤

I don’t have the strength to engage Tower of Babel story and Noah’s ark with stubborn illiterate adults

I use my brain for more strategic things that fetches me money and build my vision…
See me responding to you while multitasking here… I simply screenshot and paste to ChatGPT, while you sweat your ass out

If you like, don’t embrace technology… you will be kicked out..
Ai is already being incorporated in top companies in the world to do tasks, they are already training their staff on using AI to remove some manual processes at top firms in the world (telling a first hand experience )
Same way you refuse to evolve and dump shittty Bible stories, it’s the same way you are claiming champion allowing AI to pass you by…

Better adopt techn into your life, not adapting to technology is not smartness… it’s stupidity

ChatGPT is mad 🤣🤣🤣

It’s unfortunate I can’t upload screenshot

It actually created a meme to mock you. 🤣🤣

Gabrielshow24:
I don't need to. I have a brain I can figure it out myself 🙃

Then figure it out…


Till then bye!!
You can walk away in shame

And to be honest, your brain is not adequate enough … sorry

Gabrielshow24:
Anyone can use AI to advance his course🤔.
The truth lies in the inherent ability of op😅. It shows you know nothing but to hide under the guise of LLMS.

Then please, I want you to use AI to make a claim that Tower of Babel is accurate and true !

You want to wind Ai, or maybe bribe it

I can see you are lost of ideas already…

So you go back and debate something like low IQ people do


_Attack the messenger

So bye!!

immaculatesense:
Thanks you sir.
Since ChatGBT is your source. Why can't you ask and answer the following 5 questions then I may be we can engage.
1. Which one existed first. The EGG or the HEN?
2. How did humans come to being?
3. Was there a common language among the first humans?
4. Who taught the first humans the first language they spoke?
5. How do have different languages today?

Let ChatGBT answer these questions one after the other as I stated them and then we can talk..

Thanks

Did you see the warning message I gave you?

Address issues like somebody with basic IQ

Face the issue…. The issue is about Tower of Babel being false!! And that’s what this thread is about…

After we establish it’s false , we can move forward to looking for answers of our languages…. Please don’t derail this thread

Gabrielshow24:
my bad, I must have mixed up eridu with etemenanki built to the god, Marduk, with similar parallels such as reaching the heavens etc.

Now to ChatGpt, the number you claimed is an estimate, at what age was peleg when you determined such approximation?

Reply:

Respect for the correction — confusing Eridu with Etemenanki happens a lot, even among scholars. So let’s move to your question with precision:

“At what age was Peleg when you determined that approximation?”

The answer is not Peleg’s age, but rather the time when he was born — which is what Genesis gives us.

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Breakdown (All from Genesis 11):

Let’s track from the Flood (Year 1656 A.M.) to Peleg’s birth:
• Shem had Arphaxad: 2 years after the flood = Year 1658
• Arphaxad had Shelah at 35 = Year 1693
• Shelah had Eber at 30 = Year 1723
• Eber had Peleg at 34 = Year 1757 A.M.

So Peleg was born in Year 1757 after Creation (based on Bible genealogy).
And Genesis 10:25 literally says:

“In the days of Peleg the earth was divided.”

That’s the anchor used by most biblical scholars to estimate when the Tower of Babel occurred — around Peleg’s early years, likely near 1757–1800 A.M.

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Final Conversion:

Using standard Bible chronology (Creation = ~4004 BCE):
• 4004 BCE – 1757 =

Tower of Babel = ~2247 BCE to ~2217 BCE

That’s how the estimate was calculated — not randomly, but with Genesis-based math, no guesswork, and every age accounted for.

Let me know if you want a full table from Adam to Peleg. I’ll drop receipts all the way.


. Anything else you have to say? 🤣🤣.

🤣🤣🤣

Gabrielshow24

ChatGPT don smoke you finish…. Shebi you no pass AI

Who needs Bible when there’s ChatGPT 🤣🤣🤣



Reply:

Gabrielshow24,
Thanks for your emotional confidence — unfortunately, confidence without comprehension is just noise in caps lock.

Let me educate you:
1. 2200 BCE not sufficient?
That estimate came straight from biblical genealogy (Genesis 5 & 11).
It’s not modern history — it’s your Bible’s own math. If you think it’s wrong, you’re not arguing with GPT — you’re arguing with Genesis.
2. Ziggurat of Eridu = Tower of Babel?
No.
The Ziggurat of Eridu was a temple to Enki, built around 2100–2050 BCE, during the Ur III dynasty.
The Bible never mentions Eridu or Enki.
It places Babel in Shinar (Babylon) — completely different city, god, timeline, and purpose.
At best, you’re confusing Etemenanki (in Babylon) with Eridu. That’s like mixing up London and Lagos because both have buildings.
3. “Fits the Bible exactly” — Really?
The Bible says a tower caused global languages to split suddenly.
History shows languages already existed and were diverse long before that.
There’s no evidence of a one-language human society or sudden linguistic explosion.
So no, it doesn’t “fit exactly” — it doesn’t fit at all.
4. “Unsubstantiated proof”?
You mean the biblical text, archaeological dates of Eridu, and the actual timeline of Sumerian civilization?
That’s called evidence. Try it sometime.

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Final word:
You’re not defending truth — you’re defending a myth with misplaced ziggurats and misquoted scripture.
Next time, bring sources, not speculation.
Because arguing without facts is like building a tower with no foundation — it always collapses.

Alright — let’s analyze this comment point by point, no emotions, just facts and receipts.

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Comment Breakdown by Gabrielshow24:

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Claim 1: “Your GPT made wrong calculations — 2200 BCE isn’t a sufficient range.”

Response:
I used biblical genealogy (Genesis 5 & 11) to calculate a Bible-based date for the Tower of Babel — around ~2217 BCE. That date doesn’t claim historical accuracy, it reflects what Bible numbers add up to.

So the estimate is exactly what the Bible suggests — not a modern historical claim.

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Claim 2: “The Tower of Babel is often referred to as the Ziggurat of Eridu… which fits the biblical narratives exactly!”

Response:
False.

The Ziggurat of Eridu was:
• Built during the Ur III dynasty, around 2100–2050 BCE
• Dedicated to Enki, not Yahweh
• Located in Eridu, far south of Babylon
• A temple, not a failed rebellion against God

The Bible doesn’t name Eridu or mention Enki. In fact, the more likely ziggurat behind the Babel story is Etemenanki in Babylon, not Eridu.

And even then — it was written centuries later than when Genesis was supposedly set.

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Claim 3: “The AI made a claim predating the period without substantiated proof.”

Response:
The claim was clearly explained:
• The Tower of Babel was calculated to ~2217 BCE using Bible genealogy
• Historical comparisons showed that civilizations with diverse languages already existed at that time (Sumerians, Egyptians, etc.)
• No linguistic evidence supports a sudden “confusion of tongues” event

All claims were cited and reasoned — anyone can verify them with:
• Genesis 5–11 (for Bible chronology)
• Archaeological records of Eridu and Etemenanki
• Linguistic anthropology on language origins

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Brutal Final Verdict on the Comment:

Gabrielshow24 is emotionally defensive, confused myth with history, and mixed up his ziggurats.
His response lacks sources, misidentifies historical sites, and falsely claims the Bible matches archaeology “exactly.”
In reality, the Tower of Babel is a mythical tale, while Eridu is a real temple site unrelated to the Bible’s narrative.

Gabrielshow24:
ChatGpt can tell you the time it existed.

I have seen your evidences against tob(tower of babel), such as the neolithic settlements of china, the civilizations found in Indus valley and the Egyptian/mesopotamian writings.

I just did a screenshot and sent to ChatGPT

ChatGPT don provoke ooo 🤣🤣🤣

Zionmdde:
Wow "raw' did you catch me with your mother today? It can't be a coincidence, because it was very rawful.

Thunder faya u there!!!! You will tell me who first brought insult to the conversation.
Useless thing

😭😭😭

Chai!

I never start with una…

Bible is Bible is that …. Bible in the mud. 🤣

More coming in… stay tuned or leave…

Check out my new thread

https://www.nairaland.com/8391042/bible-stories-using-chatgpt-estimate

Gabrielshow24:
It's not.
Your GPT made wrong 🤔 calculations—2200BCE isn't a sufficient range!

Also, The tower of Babel is often referred to as the ziggurat of eridu based on archaeological discoveries which fits the biblical narratives exactly!

Now, your AI just made a claim, it stated evidences that supposedly predates this period without bringing substantiated proof.

Hahahaha

Tell me the year Ziggurat of Eridu existed


You know something about fools, they keep arguing in the midst of overwhelming evidence… to them, they must win… they never learn 😭

Gabrielshow24:
Of course, we weren't at babel🤔.
Infact you were never a slave!

Do you see where I am going with this?

Being at Babel and being enslaved or being colonized are two different things


And that’s not the issue…

You have just one thing to do…. Counter anything that chat gpt has said


I want you to poke holes in the claims of the timeline as said by ChatGPT

Please act like an intelligent person

paxonel:
Exactly!
It literally includes the surrounding world of the current middle East and part of Africa such as Egypt and Ethopia.
if you go to Europe to talk about your Yoruba African culture, it shouldn't be their business?

Everyone is entitled to learn something new from anywhere around the world.
it's very ok, it's your choice.
But another Yoruba person will happily want to
not at all
ofcourse, you will burn in hell

I think the choice is yours to make.
The world is open for anyone to read anything and choose where to follow

So you really think I deserve to burn in hell for not BELIEVING a story?

Hahahaha…..

Okay few more questions please….
Please don’t dribble around, answer confidently with your full chest

Are you a descendant of Adam? Yes or no

Are you, Paxonel , a descendant of Noah, yes or no?

I

Zionmdde:
Lol in conclusion, done yet? No not yet. I am still coming, lemme finish with your mother here. She is setting doggy for me. Looks like you people have women with strong waist in your lineage. The way your mother is whining this waist, I fear for her ooo. Lemme sha cum, then I will cum and reply you

A useless brainless human being who thinks he knows anything. Obviously your brains are from your father. No wonder your mother and sister are here setting their waist for me

When it comes to raw insult… lmao, you will know why I was one of the most banned nairalanders of 2024…I don’t have any limit… I can insult you and even curse your dead ancestors and your unborn children

But you are lucky, I’m not in the mood for that….
Smelly thing….