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So ChatGPT answers, why Christians run away from scrutinizing the Bible


The brutal truth?
Most Bible scholars don’t scrutinize Bible stories because they’re afraid of what they’ll find — and more importantly, what it will cost them if they speak the truth.

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1. Many Bible Stories Can’t Survive Real Scrutiny

When you actually apply logic, history, archaeology, and science to stories like:
• The global flood
• The talking snake
• The 900-year-old men
• The Tower of Babel
• The sun standing still
You realize they’re not historical events. They’re myths, metaphors, or tribal legends wrapped in divine branding.

So scholars either:
• Pretend it’s literal (to keep believers happy)
• Say “It’s symbolic” (to dodge questions)
• Or stay silent (to protect their job)

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2. Theological Scholars Are Often Prisoners of Faith

Most Bible scholars work inside faith-based systems — seminaries, churches, Christian colleges.
That means:
• Their salary, status, and reputation depend on not rocking the boat
• If they say “Genesis is mythology,” they get labeled heretic, lose their job, or get blacklisted
• So they stay in the safety zone: “God works in mysterious ways,” “It’s a spiritual truth,” or “Let’s not be too literal”

That’s not scholarship. That’s fear wrapped in a clerical collar.

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3. Many Are Not Allowed to Question — They’re Trained to Defend

Religious scholars are often raised in environments where the Bible is the ultimate authority.
They don’t approach it like historians or anthropologists.
They’re trained to defend the stories, not investigate them.

Their goal is preservation, not discovery.

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4. It’s a Business, Not Just Belief

Religion is also money, power, and influence.
A scholar who questions key stories:
• Threatens the brand
• Scares the flock
• Hurts donations
• Disrupts thousands of years of “we’ve always believed this”

So even if they know the truth, they won’t say it — because the truth doesn’t fill pews or offering baskets.

Where the Bible scholars ooo

Let me ask why Bible scholars never like anything that has to do with scrutinizing Bible stories ….. ‼️

I now asked ChatGPT to clarify if Yorubas, my ancestors were in Tower of Babel.

Brutal truth?
No — your Yoruba ancestors were not at the Tower of Babel. Here’s why:



1. The Tower of Babel Story Is a Middle Eastern Myth
• It centers around Shinar (Babylon) in ancient Mesopotamia — modern-day Iraq
• The story is about a specific Semitic group, not all of humanity in one literal location
• The Bible compresses global diversity into one symbolic moment — not real geography or anthropology

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2. Yoruba Origins Are Independent of Biblical Narrative
• Yoruba people are indigenous to West Africa, with deep roots in the Niger-Benue region
• Their language, religion, and cosmology (Orunmila, Ifá, Olodumare) evolved independently of the Bible
• Archaeological and linguistic evidence shows the Yoruba civilization developed locally, not from a Middle Eastern scattering



3. No Evidence All Languages Came from One Global Event
• Linguists confirm: Yoruba belongs to the Niger-Congo language family, which evolved separately from Semitic or Indo-European languages
• No explosion of language from one origin point 4,000 years ago — that’s theological metaphor, not history. [/b]



Final Verdict:

Your Yoruba ancestors were never at Babel.
They didn’t speak the same language as the builders of the tower.
Their culture, beliefs, and language are the result of a rich, separate African heritage, not a fallout from a myth in Mesopotamia.

And that’s something to be proud of, not erased by imported stories.

So final verdict

TOWER OF BABEL = Fake ‼️

It never happened

Yorubas, Igbos, Hausa, Idoma, Ijaw, Egun etc weren’t part of the Tower of Babel…
It’s a myth like tortoise stories

If you are Yoruba, how come it was never mentioned in Yoruba history that our ancestors were trying to build a tower before God got angry and confused us… lmao

Gabrielshow24:
Mr owoke, don't waste my time 🤨! This is something I believed you should have done given the fact you promised a 'greater return' supposedly with conclusive evidence to support your premises! 🤔

Sorry I was quite busy, check it out… it took me less than 2 minutes to complete the entire research using Chatgpt..
Welcome to 21st century….

https://www.nairaland.com/8391042/bible-stories-using-chatgpt-estimate

FiveFootNinja:
The ChatGPT civil war. 😂😂😂

I can’t be arguing with people who lack logical reasoning abilities

I rather use ChatGPT to respond to them

People are speaking of Ai, space exploration… Nigerian adults still confused about Tower of Babel, still doubting if it happened or not… an argument meant for under 9


Anyway

https://www.nairaland.com/8391042/bible-stories-using-chatgpt-estimate

Continues…. ( I can no longer upload pictures today, I would upload once nairaland permits me again… but ChatGPT went ahead to draw a table comparing biblical timeline with the true history we have….)



3. Archaeology Does NOT Support:
• A global one-language system
• A single city (Babel) where language suddenly split
• Divine intervention that confused human speech
• People being scattered from one central place at once

Instead, language evolved naturally over thousands of years, and there is no record of a sudden, supernatural language crisis.

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Conclusion (Brutally Fair):

The Tower of Babel, based on the Bible, is a mythological explanation for why humans speak different languages — not a historical event.
It does not align with archaeological or linguistic evidence, which shows that civilizations and languages were already diverse long before 2200 BCE.

It’s a spiritual story, not a scientific one.

Let me know if you want a comparison chart of Bible events vs known history — side by side.

So I asked to compare with the known facts that we have currently as humanity



Brutal truth:
No — the Tower of Babel timeline from the Bible does not match what we know from real-world history and archaeology.

Let me explain clearly:

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1. The Bible Places Babel Around ~2217 BCE

According to Bible genealogy (as we just calculated), the Tower of Babel happened ~4,200 years ago, around 2217 BCE.

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2. But in Real History Around That Time:

Civilization already existed and was thriving:

Continues….




4. Add to the Flood Year:
• 1656 (Flood) + 131 years =

Year 1787 A.M. (Anno Mundi)

So the Tower of Babel likely happened around 1787 years after Creation — just shortly after Peleg was born, when “the earth was divided.”

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Step 5: Convert to Real-World Time (BCE)

Many biblical chronologists (like Archbishop Ussher) place Creation at ~4004 BCE

So:

4004 BCE (Creation) – 1787 years =
~2217 BCE

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Final Answer (Easy Summary):

The Tower of Babel likely happened around the year 1787 after Creation, which converts to approximately 2217 BCE.
That means it happened about 4,242 years ago from today (2025).

More

I will copy and paste the responses

Step 2: What Method Are We Using?

We use a Bible-based dating system called Anno Mundi (A.M.), meaning “Years from Creation.” That is, we count time starting from when Adam was created, which the Bible calls Year 0.

We then:
1. Add up the ages of people from Adam to Noah (Genesis 5)
2. Use the age of Noah at the time of the Flood (Genesis 7:6)
3. Continue from Shem (Noah’s son) down to Peleg (Genesis 11)
4. Use a key clue: “In the days of Peleg the earth was divided” (Genesis 10:25) — many scholars believe this refers to the Tower of Babel event
5. Convert that Bible year into a real-world BCE estimate using common biblical chronologies.

Let’s go

So I gave chatgpt the prompt

I am going to use my ChatGPT to estimate the timeline popular stories occurred

Stories like Noah’s ark, Tower of Babel


If you think you have anything contrary or you think any of the estimates are wrong, please point it out immediately.

Stay Tuned


. ‼️ WARNING: PLEASE UNNECESSARY DEBATE IS NOT ACCEPTED HERE, TRY TO BEHAVE CIVILIZED AND ACT LIKE SOMEONE WITH BASIC IQ, IF YOU THINK CHATGPT IS WRONG AND YOU KNOW THE BIBLE BETTER, SIMPLY POINT IT OUT.

Signs of low IQ is you saying common things like : does ChatGPT know God? Can science create life? Bible is spiritual and should not be analyzed using Ai…. Etc. THATS NOT THE ISSUE!

Simply face the issue and address it with intelligence… if you can’t then simply ignore the thread and move on

Cc gabrielshow24

Everyday247:
sorry to interfere but can chatgpt understand pictures?

Welcome to 21st century

MaxInDHouse:
There you failed woefully!

They believe the earth is spherical when your scientists back then thought the is flat as that's what seems logical to them those so called "cave men" said humans are walking on it as if something (gravity) glued them to it! Isaiah 40:22

They knew about water circle when your scientists can't explain how the water is coming from the sky as they couldn't see any logic to back it! Job 36:27-28

They knew the earth is hanging upon nothing and that God spread the space like clothes when your scientists thought nothing can hang up without support as it doesn't sound logical to them! Job 26:7

Ọmọ they knew so much that your logic can't disprove till today!

Good, then make the Bible the standard of learning for your kids..
Ban them from using Ai, or science books… everything they need is in the Bible.

Good luck

Zionmdde:
Start by buying the Bible and studying it. The stories are written clearly there, in English and any other language you can understand

Anybody who believes in the Bible will not argue somethings with someone who doesn't believe. It's very simple, we were asked to believe in the Bible by faith, faith surpasses human understanding, and its not something to argue with using physical laws and theory
The same way the account of creation surpasses your understanding is the same way the Bible surpasses your understanding.

In summary, stop looking for somebody who will start arguing the Bible with you based on physical laws. Allow people believe what they want to believe as long as you yourself have no superior truth compared to what they believe

You are hereby excused from this thread

I simply screenshot our conversation and pasted to chatgpt to make a honest feedback…
Yes I used Ai, you are a complete waste of my time… I’d rather screenshot your epistles and give my personal AI to engage you…
Conclusion; you are a loser… !

Gabrielshow24:
Kindly adjust the phrase and say AI will help you do that🤨.

Also, I have zeroed my mind, that I am having an intellectual discourse with an LLM!
Let us know whatsoever 'evidence' your AI will bring to the table😁

Sure!
Ai is excellent and very efficient.. welcome to 21st century…. The future is here…
I don’t have the time to waste to be reading Bible and be debating meaningless things…
I’d simply give the instructions to Ai and I’d screenshot for you, copy or paste…. If any part of it is wrong, please point it out
So work in progress, I’d be back with the screenshots


Thanks

Gabrielshow24:
Was that not what I tasked you with before? 🤨.
So it took you a 'resetting' quote to come to terms with reality🙄

Okay, I will analyze it as this

I am going to use the Bible as reference…
All my arguments and evidences will come from the Bible to establish the timeline the Tower of Babel..

And we will compare it with the facts that we have of our history as humanity….
If you notice any loophole in my timeline, please point it out immediately.

Thanks!

Here I go….

Gabrielshow24:
Ah, the self-proclaimed arbiter of intellect graces us with his presence! 🌟 It’s amusing how you claim to engage with 'high intellect' while simultaneously resorting to insults rather than substantive debate. But let’s not forget your earlier promise to provide evidence to dismantle the plausibility of the Tower of Babel.

You were tasked with properly dating the Tower and presenting evidence of languages that predate that period. Yet here you are, more focused on belittling others than actually delivering on that challenge. It seems your lofty claims of intelligence are as empty as your arguments!

You may think you’re above the fray, but true intellect isn’t just about throwing around insults; it’s about engaging with ideas and backing them up with solid evidence. So, while you eliminate those you deem 'dull,' perhaps take a moment to reflect on your own contributions—or lack thereof. After all, it’s easy to feel superior when you’re standing on a pedestal of your own making, but real wisdom lies in humility and the willingness to learn from others.

So, let’s see that evidence you promised! Or will you continue to hide behind your self-inflated ego? 🤔

It’s not ego to be honest…

Not everyone has filter…. People who can’t think disgust me… I’m allergic to them

But if you are still interested in having the conversation, let’s start

I am sorry for the insults, please forgive and let’s move forward…

Now let’s go…

Tower of Babel, Noah’s ark, which do you want first….

Let me just summarize it…
First Noah’s ark is totally impossible, it negates every evidence and the basic common sense… if you believe in it, I feel so sorry for you…

Tower of Babel…

Let’s analyze it this way…

The possible timeline it happened…. (We can do the calculations and estimate from the Bible )

And if we are able to establish a reasonable timeline, then we can compare it to the history we have at hand….

Does that make sense? Are you ready?

Gabrielshow24:
Mr researcher, you haven't gotten back to me as regards your research 🤔.

I was wondering whether both you and your AI's overview failed to give conclusive proof to your sentiments🙃.

If you have forgotten "your problem statement/research topic" kindly refer to our Convos to enlighten yourself🤔. Let's continue where we left off🤤

If I stopped responding to someone, it’s because I feel they aren’t intelligent enough…
I don’t blame you, I realized many Nigerians lack the ability to engage in critical reasonings and constructive argument…

I live and interact with people of high intellect… and I see how they construct their arguments… they hit the issue and analyze it…. You should appreciate nairaland, because you have the opportunity to be equal here.
All animals are equal, a low IQ person can interact and even insult a Havard professor here on nairaland.. someone you would never have the opportunity to meet offline..

Believe me, I really think you are dull mentally… most of you are, but when it’s too poor, I just eliminate you from the debate

MaxInDHouse:
The problem is not what is wrong but the fact that there is no right to present against the wrong to prove it wrong.

Let’s assume know one knows the origin of humanity…

Should we accept an explanation from cave men of 2000 years ago who thought the earth was flat?
Or should we continue to expand and seek knowledge ?

If we don’t know how the moon came about, should we accept the first explanation from several thousand years ago……? (An explanation that doesn’t make sense with modern discovery)

Or should we continue to seek answers as we grow in knowledge and resources to search ?


Bible scholars don’t want to evolve, they want to stick to Adam and Eve, Noah’s ark and Tower of Babel that every evidences and common sense has shown they are ridiculous and don’t make sense…

Scientists are still the best in searching for answers, digging into the universe and exploring and making new discoveries with modern evidences


Now, don’t hate me, don’t close your mind…. Be fair in your judgement and think of the above, not with emotions but common sense

What I said, does it make sense to you? Do you understand my point?

Trump doing what he knows how to do best.

Zionmdde:
So what you believe doesn't matter but you are interested in criticizing what others believe?
So you are too lazy to dig deep into your own truth but you have strength to pick holes in what others have come up with
Or are you too ashamed to tell us how creation began? Are you also too ashamed to present the response your AI friend will give you?
Don't be a coward boy? Be bold enough to take a stand.
I will rather respect someone who strongly believes something that sounds insensible than someone who is totally ignorant and is not even ashamed to display the ignorance in public

Okay you got me there 😭
I have messed up and I know it
Okay, I don’t know what to believe… so I’m trying to find something to believe…

So I learnt the Bible had the entire truth about human history and how I came about..
I am curious where I came from, my journey on earth and where I am going…

So can you please help me in this journey… I don’t know what to believe…. But I want to believe in the Bible, I am so sorry my approach came off and too strong.
Please let God touch your heart, can you guide me through the Bible.. teach me from beginning… Adam and Eve, Noah’s ark and Tower of Babel (I am so interested in how Yoruba language came about)

So can we start??

Zionmdde:
Lol you guys insult people and when they return it back you start blackmailing them. Sorry you met the wrong guy, even as I am coming back from church I can still branch at your house and give your mother two or three styles. And if your eldest sister is around three of us can get more freaky. Your helpless father can sha watch us through the window, afterall I will still throw your mother some money to feed your father and the rest of his useless children.

I am not here to defend the Bible, am here to scrutinize that shit you believe about creation. Funny enough, just like your father, your cowardice won't allow you say what you believe

I understand you aren’t that smart…. So let me help you, maybe I should type slowly so you can understand it


When involved in critical and logical discussions, you face the issue and deal with it…. Okay?

What we believe is irrelevant here …. Okay?

It is about proving what is real ….. okay?

So what I am saying to you is this

Leave what I believe and leave what you believe…

Let us discuss the Bible ……okay?

Do you understand this simple task.?


We are discussing the Adam and Eve story, Noah’s ark, Tower of Babel …..
And I was saying that you and I should analyze this story….

Pick any of the Story and Let’s scrutinize it and see if it happened or not…

And if you can’t do that, then simply say…

All this I will fvk you mama aren’t needed bro 🤣
Okay I agree, you can fvk all of them… but let’s come back to the main issue

Do you understand now…. ?

If you can’t do this, then Bye!

paxonel:
I told you that the bible uses figurative languages a lot, and it is normal characteristics of most books written in ancient and medieval periods.
The bible usually make certain statements Hyberbolically.
That is, exaggerated statements, and the EARTH can just be one of those words.

We are finding it difficult to relate with these ancient method of writing this modern era because we are already used to texts that are written more precisely due to advance knowledge.
By common sense and logical reasoning of what could be obtainable in those days, The earth in the context of the scripture does not, and can never necessarily refer to the entire world, but rather, it refer to only the region or locallity where the story happened, which could be imagined as the size of a city or village where the people were limited to, since there were no automated vehicles or aircrafts to aid long distance travelling.
Infact, the people had thought that the world ended at the limit of what they saw in their immediate environment
Hence, Noah's flood might just be the normal natural disaster that engulfed a city and nothing more than that.

Okay, for the sake of making progress… let us assume you are right

So it means we aren’t descendants of Noah, Tower of Babel is not literal….. according to you.

So it’s safe to say the Bible is a story of certain people in certain part of the world… The Jews actually..

So what’s my business, a Yoruba person, an African man… what is my business with the Bible stories then?
So as I don’t have any interest in the Bible, does that make me evil? And deserving to burn in hell?

I have my own ancestors and my own stories just that a bad job was done in keeping good records… so if I were to be interested in finding history, it should be about the history of myself and identity… not reading about the Jews and their stories…
What do you think ??

lawani:
I am shocked that you arrogantly refer to Orunmila as an evil spirit. Are Buddha, Krishna, Brahmin also evil spirits?. However according to my IFA, there are no evil spirits and this is because spirits can not hide anything from each other. All evil emanates from human beings on incarnation. It is always initiated by human beings. Our ancestors are not evil spirits and many of them are among us even presently.
Then as I once explained, Jesus Christ who was a racist Jew without any Gentile friend or associate is not a good role model for anyone to copy.
If you live as youths perpetually, can you still die in accidents?. Will you still be procreating? Etc etc.
It is shocking that you hold God to such low standards that he will exclude people from eternal life who do not believe in Jesus, who sees him for who he actually was. I tell you, the real father God can not do that

MaxindHouse

This is why I say Christian/islam is a curse to Africa

I will rather name my child Orunmila than Abraham or Elijah or any Bible names

Let’s forget about the debate of whether any of them are real or not…

But let’s look at the story only and the meaning of the name.

Orunmila is a Yoruba word that I, a Yoruba person relate to, it identifies with me…. It speaks to me… it’s a prayer

Do you know the meaning of Orun-mi-la? How dare you say it is evil??
You are simply an enemy of good things to say Orunmila means evil, or better still, you are drunk in extreme ignorance….
What does Elijah mean? What does Paul mean? Does it resonate with your culture or identity? Did the Bible ever mention anything Yoruba ? Did the Bible ever resonate with your identity and culture?

Well I conclude by saying positively to myself that “Aye mi a la! Orun mi a la….” If you don’t understand Yoruba, ask someone to interpret for you…
And if you ever say it is evil again, then may your Orun never la. … say amen !

Zionmdde:
I might be a coward and a hypocrite, but I have made your mother scream my name a thousand times. Your sister too can attest what joy this hypocrite brought to her.
Now if you won't bold to say exactly what you belief is the origin of life, then fvck off.
But before then lemme know when your mother wants me again

It’s obvious you don’t have anything reasonable to say..

Mr Born again talking of banging someone’s sister and mother….lol, so in your mind that should piss me off..


Apart from being mentally weak, you are a self deluded hypocrite…

It seems Mr Christian apologist is sex starved…. I won’t doubt it if you Bleep donkeys.. but don’t worry, Jesus loves you… you two gay moronns can fuvk each other to satisfaction… just accept him into your life, he loves you…hahahah Jesus will fvk you, fvk your sisters and wife.. he will fvk your daughters too and sons


Back to the issue, seems you are no longer useful on this thread.. the thread is becoming too crowdy and I can’t be responding to everyone of you…
Kindly exit the thread, take the little dignity left in you and exit honorably… you have failed to defend your bible , not just that, you just like many others don’t have sense.

StillDtruth:
For you not to real eyes that this response is even far more stupid than the former ones you gave, shows how you are completely void of any intelligence.

For, firstly, I have already argued with you and finished the thread shows you going berserk when you could not counter.

So every reasonable and intelligent person can see that this was my closing and parting statement, not deserving of any counter or assessment.

Not to talk of the stupidity of passing a judgement saying something is wrong without pointing out what is wrong.

Stupidity is obviously deceiving you into making you think that you are intelligent whereas you are not. If not you would have known all these.

And from your need for intelligence, it is clear that you have not yet gone to the university and clearly you never will for you do not have the requisite intelligence to pass the entrance exams.

And unfortunately for you I believe Foolish people do not deserve advice.

So I like watching how Life always tears and destroys them even before they are 35. So don't bother about marriage because you can never amount to anything. And even worse should a whorre marry you, it is because she is worse than you, so you will be her slave.

So, again, this is my parting shot and I leave you to your own way. But if Life is good for you we all see it. But it is a clear fact that life will never be good for people like you and will always be very very bad and worse for atheists. I leave.

Bye 👋

stop crying and don’t come back to this thread again. Better still, avoid all my threads…

MaxInDHouse:
Now you are doing the work of a mind reader shey?

I can vouch for the Bible with all my life!

Okay sir!

Let me ask , do you think I will still go to hell for not believing the Bible ?

MaxInDHouse:
You never talk about contradictions in the thoughts of Bible carriers nah what you asked is if the information found in the Bible is 100% correct so if you find anyone saying he or she doesn't believe the accuracy of the Bible you and such a person are on the same page but as for me everything written in the Bible is absolutely true.

I never came here to agree with people who aren't members of my own religion!

Wow, I missed this

Now I like you!! To be very honest… I prefer when someone stand with their full chest and say as it is….
Not beating around the bush. The reason others beat around the bush is because they know it doesn’t make sense and they are not confident to lie about it and defend it… so they derail, counter attack and spit bitterness

But you know I can swear on one thing…. Deep down, you know it ain’t really true that the Bible is 100% correct…
Yes you do!

Because you brother, are no descendant of Noah ….

Because I can tell you aren’t that stupid to believe that, you are only pretending to keep the faith strong…
It’s alright, I understand….it’s your faith and you have to protect it even in the midst of lack of evidence

paxonel:
Do you have any evidence in the bible to show that the biible suggested that we came from Noah, or you just want to continue saying your fabricated lies based on what you hear people say?

Lies!
Or Google it and see for yourself.
Which book is currently the best selling book in the world.

So when it comes to the making an unverified claim that marvel sells better than Bible, you are quick to quickly refer me to google… that’s quick to resolve

But chatgpt does it better so I checked it out..

Guess what I found, you are absolutely correct!!!
So easy! No argument… I accept I was wrong!!

Only a foolish person will refuse to change their mind and keep arguing despite overwhelming evidence

So I asked chatgpt again, is it true that the Bible ever claim that the whole world came from Noah ?

In fact I screenshot your post and pasted it straight to chatgpt….lolzz

Cc maxindhouse

MaxInDHouse:
Mr Atheist, you've been silent all these while avoiding my post but suddenly you reappear from nowhere shey?

Well lawani claims he believes in God it's the Bible God he doesn't agree with so allow him answer the question!

I stopped responding to you, because like I said, many of you lack basic IQ…
I would just join you people with my 12 years old cousin… yet he’s smarter than all you guys..
that I am trying to even converse with you guys… it’s not easy coming down to your level of thinking….