CONCLUSION
We are being prepared in consciousness for slavery or destruction. They are laying the groundwork now with the "war in terror." Once they get Islam under control, they will turn their attention on the West in earnest.

In the meantime, the mass media (movies, music and video games, TV) accustoms us to brutality and violence. There is a repetitive and reductive obsession with sex, nudity, bodily functions and homosexuality.

If our leaders weren't Luciferians, the media and the arts would be preoccupied with issues of truth and falsehood, right and wrong, beauty and ugliness. We would be uplifted and inspired.

Instead, we are degraded, distracted, and deceived, like people with a terminal disease, like squatters in someone else's universe.

If the lllumnati's real purpose is to eliminate God, it follows we should make God the center of our consciousness. People ask, "What should we do?" Don't look for direction from others. Look to God for direction. The best way to fight the darkness is to shine a light.

This is what the Illuminati fear. In the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (5) the author writes: "There is nothing more dangerous to us than personal initiative; if it has genius behind it, such initiative can do more than can be done by millions of people among whom we have sown discord."

Don't feel oppressed by the world. It hasn't changed just because you are now aware of it. Devote each new day to fulfilling God's purpose for you.

CHRIST MIGHT HAVE BEEN CRUCIFIED YESTERDAY

Christ represented the rule of God. The Pharisees worshipped Lucifer. The question facing mankind hasn't changed. Are we going to serve God or Lucifer?

The Satanists have conditioned us to short circuit at the mention of religion. They have made God seem mysterious, unknowable or non-existent.

Christ said, "God is a Spirit, obey Him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:23,24). God is Absolute Love, Truth, Justice, Goodness and Beauty. If you believe these things are real, whether you accomplish them or not, you believe in God.

Love is the principle of human evolution. God wants to be known by His creation. This requires that we obey and become more like Him. We were made in God's image. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your father which is in heaven is perfect," (Matthew 5:48).The more we embody spiritual ideals, the more God-like and Real we become. The opposite is also true.

We sacrifice ourselves for what we love. If we love God, we sacrifice ourselves to Him. People ask how to fight the New World Order. Nothing would disturb the Illuminati more than a revival of belief in God. Millions willing to fight and die for God scares the hell out of them. That's why they are uprooting Islam.

THEY HATE THE GOD IN YOU
Wurmbrand, a pastor who was imprisoned in Romania, says Communism is in essence Satanism empowered. Christians weren't just brutally persecuted and murdered, they were made to blaspheme. Communism's goal is to mock God and to praise Lucifer. A Communist newspaper confessed, ""We fight against God: To snatch believers from him. " (77)

In "German Ideology", Marx referred to God in Hegelian terms as the Absolute Spirit. Marx opined, "we are concerned with a highly interesting question: the decomposition of the Absolute Spirit."(77)

According to Wurmbrand, the Russian Revolution was a time when "love, goodwill, and healthy feeling" were considered mean and retrograde. A girl hid her innocence, and husband's their faithfulness. Destruction was praised as good taste, neurasthenia as the sign of a fine mind. This was the theme of new writers who burst on the scene out of obscurity. Men invented vices and perversion, and were fastidious in their avoidance of being thought " moral." (85)

The Luciferians portray their rebellion against God and nature as "progress and freedom." This permissiveness refers only to tearing down the Divine and natural order. In the initiation into the Seventh degree of Satanism, the adept swears, "Nothing is true and everything is permitted". In the Communist Manifesto, Marx said all religion and morals will be abolished and everything permitted.

The religion of modern western society, secular humanism, is Illuminism (Lucifer worship) in disguise. (http://www.savethemales.ca/000237.html) The purpose of Illuminism is to divorce humanity from the Divine Purpose and enshrine Lucifer (i.e. the Illuminati) in God`s place. Under the guise of a humanist utopia, they are constructing an Orwellian hell -- the New World Order, a.k.a. globalism.

The goal of globalism is the same as Communism. The world`s elite masks their Luciferianism in new age paganism and Gaia worship. The Lucifer Trust runs the only chapel at the United Nations and the only statue in the UN building is the pagan god Zeus.

OUR LUCIFER-LOVING ELITE
The purpose of the New World Order is the same as Communism. The Illuminati created Communism as a means to flaunt God's will and enslave mankind. Karl Marx was hired to sell totalitarian rule ("the dictatorship of the proletariat"). Marx duped the masses by pretending to espouse equality. He was a Satanist as were Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin.

In his book, Marx and Satan (1986) Richard Wurmbrand illustrates Marx`s true hatred of God and humanity. As early as 1848, Marx wrote about a "coming world war" that will eliminate "riffraff" like Russians, Czechs and Croats.

"The coming world war will cause not only reactionary classes and dynasties, but also entire reactionary peoples to disappear from the face of the earth. And that will be progress, the revolution, cares as little about the human lives it destroys , as an earthquake cares about the houses it ravages. Classes and races that are too weak to dominate the new conditions , will be defeated, their very name will vanish. " (42)

In his poem "Human Pride" Marx writes that he will "wander Godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world, I will feel equal to the Creator. " (31)

Far from a champion of the working class, Marx was a Satanist and a sociopath. He was also a spy for the Austrian police. In 1960, the Austrian Chancellor Raabe gave Khrushchev an original letter by Marx proving the "founder of Communism" informed on other revolutionaries. (33)

The reason only 13 of the 100 Volumes of Marx`s writings have been published is to hide the true character of Communism. (32)

Have you noticed?

Each year, there is a little less Christ in Christmas, a little less Christian spirit. The spirit of giving now is confined to gifts. Scarcely is there mention of Christian love. That might offend some people, Satanists perhaps. God is Love. Satanists aren't big fans of Love. They have a lot of clout.

Incredible and bizarre as it sounds, a Satanic cult, the Illuminati rules the world. George W. Bush is a member, as is much of the world's political and economic elite. (See "A Conspiracy Too Monstrous to Conceive" [url=http://www.savethemales.ca/000166.html ]http://www.savethemales.ca/000166.html [/url] and "Rothschild Conducts Red Symphony" [url=http://www.savethemales.ca/000275.html ] http://www.savethemales.ca/000275.html [/url] )

The Illuminati consist of the Jesuits and some of the world's richest families including the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers and the Windsors. While they pay lip service to religion, they worship Lucifer. Their agents control the world's media, education, business and politics. These agents may think they are only pursuing success, but success literally means serving the devil.

Prisoners of their wealth, the Illuminati prefer hatred and destruction to Love. Understandably, they can't go public with this. They pretend to be moral while working behind the scenes to degrade and enslave humanity in a "new world order."

Hiroshima, Dresden, Auschwitz, Cambodia and Rwanda were sacrifices to their god Lucifer. They are responsible for the two World Wars, the Depression and the Cold War. Sept. 11, the "War on Terror" and the Iraq War are their latest achievements.

We imagine they want unlimited power and wealth but these are by-products. The Illuminati is motivated by hatred of God and humanity.

wirinet:

The term "born again" is the most popular word among pentecostal Christians, they say it is the most crucial aspect of their brand of Christianity. So it is important to find a definitive definition of what born again means.

The first use of the term can be found in John 3 of the King James Version.


From the above verses Nicodemus also was interested in knowing what born again means. First i would like to digress by observing that Nicodemus saw Jesus not as God or Son of God, but as a Rabbi, a spiritual teacher but one from God. He was not even interested in following Jesus, he only came to acknowledge Jesus as coming from God.

Now Jesus in explaining what born again means to be born of water and of spirit. So according to Jesus born again means to be born of water first ( which i guess means baptism) and then being born of the spirit. Jesus now went to to compare someone that is born of the spirit to a wind that blows and is heard but cannot be located. Now that is confusing, will someone that is born again become like a wind that cannot be located or will the person hear wind that he/she cannot locate.
Nicodemus also asked for more clarifications but Jesus did not oblige him, instead Jesus said he should know these things as a "master of Israel" and that he should more or less just believe everything he says.

Another digression, i wonder why Jesus would said "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness." This statement seems out of context and out of place, he appears to be talking to an audience here and not specifically to Nicodemus. and who is our witness?

In conclusion Nicodemus did not understand what born again meant and refused to be born again, meaning Jesus himself did not succeed in converting the first person he preached to born again.


So Jesus never said that to be born again you must give your life to me and accept me as your personal saviour, come into me and control my whole life, as is practice today.

Also I find no body becoming a born again in a ritual or proclamation any where in the bible.

So i await a more informed theological explanation from my fellow born again Nairalanders.

Bro, thats exactly what the thread is about, thanks for your input, God bless

MrCrackles:

Thank you jare!. . . . . . . They wont learn
Despite your post to highlight some of the issues on the religious section, some morons and wankers are still asking more questions!

Bro, YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT

wirinet:

Noetic your oneliners are becoming annoying, you contribute nothing, absolutely nothing to any discussion on nairaland save your standard responses. If you disagree with any argument or anything, highlight them and give your own responses or counter-arguments, not this is nonsense, you are uneducated, rubbish, you have not proved or said anything, etc. If you cannot proffer any point or argument then i will have to ignore your one-liners.

second to that

Lennox13:

Some people on NL religious section are too hypnotize to see the truth or any meaningful information, all they do is jump on people and try to bully them or to make them look stupid i.e
And they claim to know the bible more than anyone else, am sick and tired of such people


Forum is to get information, educate yourself and share opinion and not for people to start religious wars and put people down(bullying)

This must stop!!!!!!!  When people post information or life experiences, it's not for us to judge or to leave some ridiculous messages and think we are contributing to the post, you are only making your self look stupid,
i thought am the only one that noticed this guys post ( noetic2) , anywhere his post/reply is  always to make people look stupid and senseless,  am glad someone pointed that out to him. I don't have any problem with anyone here, but i just think people should be more accommodating and act like adults.

If you can add to the post, no need to just drop some stupid comments. At least act mature if you are not. Thanks

Well said bro

wirinet:

omo sexy,

I will congratulate you on carrying out research on what people want to sell to you. Your post fill me with nostalgia because i was in your position about 25 yrs ago. Let me just intimate you on my own experience. I was called one day by our house prefect (a deeper life member) into his room and he told me that he has a message specifically for me from God, he said God wanted me to give my life to him and that i should become a "born again". Honestly i did not know the difference between a born again and a christian as i had been a christian all my life (Anglican). So i told him to give me two weeks to think about it. I then went on to research what born again was and Christianity itself. Soon i started seeing cracks in the whole story. I also i was invited to their church service the following Sunday, I called my best friend to accompany me. On getting near the church, we started hearing lots of ghoully noises, so we decided just to peep through the window to see what was going on. And what we say was quite astonishing and unforgettable, The pastor would tell the congregation to cry as the devil had caused a lot of havoc to Gods plans for humanity and every body - man, woman and child was crying full of tears and wailing, this went on for about 10mins. Later the pastor then said that Jesus had defeated the devil and so should start rejoicing and the same people that were crying a few mins back were all laughing hysterically. We were so astounded that we just stood there watching afraid to go in. Anyway we made a u turn and went back to our hostels. Right there i knew this born again nonsense was not for me.

As for hypnotism, you are correct to observe that most religions use hypnotic technics to ensure total obedience and allegiance to the priests, pastors, imams, gurus, etc, even sometimes advertising companies use it to get viewers to have compulsion to buy their products.
It is this same method that Osama uses to get people to commit suicide for his cause. ( remember the initiates undergo intensive indoctrinations months before the suicide attacks.By the time they are finished, they are programmed to carry out their duty to machine perfection.

It is the same method that will make a person feel compulsion to give 10% of his earning to one man and any other thing the man (pastor asks for), sometimes it can be his life.

It is the same compulsion also that will make a man steal 50 million naira and give it all away to his pastor, when he is in great need.

It is the same compulsion that makes people believe and ready to find logic in stupid things, like a person living in the belly of a whale for three days, stopping of the sun to allow people prosecute a war, building of a tower to reach God, and lots of other bull shites.

Thank you for educating others, maybe your post can truly save some people from the worst kind of slavery - Mental Hypnotic Slavery.

Thank you also for sharing your experience

OLAADEGBU:

This post answers the question of what the term born again means, instead of being brainwashed you need to get your heart ad soul washed and cleansed and those who are sincere seekers of the truth will make use of this opportunity that will determine their destiny forever.

Thanks for the information, at least your post is meaningful unlike people that just rant and make others look stupid

davidylan:

No wonder . . . you dont "try" to be born again. Its not a man-made goal that you can achieve by yourself. But by all means keep looking in the wrong places.

You wish to be "born again" and you went to google rather than the bible? Pls tell us your real mission.

I read the bible and pray a lot now, is there anything wrong in doing a research?? Or don't you wanna know the truth? I am not the type of person that just seat and let people spoon feed me with crap and follow what people say, i search the truth for my self so that i can challenge anybody if i don't feel comfortable with wat they are doin,

jagunlabi:

Very very informative thread.Thank you,omosexy.You can see why christians would get edgy about these infos.It is not comfortable to be exposed.

You are welcome bro

tpiah:


heh.







btw are you really what you called yourself on another thread?

If that's so, dont just google- head for a nearby church.


You can also talk to God directly.

Thanks for your concern, i googled Born Again to see what it means and not what people say it means, I go to church now and i pray a lot for Jehovah to show me the way and directions,

Yes i was a sinner and i have asked for God's forgiveness, so what's your problem, Are you trying to judge me?

Anyway guys, i like to seek the truth and reveal it, if it annoys you guys, so be it, cos truth is better. So get a life,

We are here to share our experiences and educate each other, we are not here to fight or to judge one another.

If you want to read more, the link is

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fundamentalistbrainwashing06jun05.shtml

I am searching for the truth and the living God, I believe thy Lord Jesus Christ will show me the light,

Powerful sound and the proper use of lighting are of primary importance in inducing an altered state of consciousnes--I've been using them for years in my own seminars. However, my participants are fully aware of the process and what they can expect as a result of their participation.

The Grey Area of Legitimacy
I'm not saying that legitimate healings do not take place. They do. Maybe the individual was ready to let go of the negativity that caused the problem in the first place; maybe it was the work of God. Yet I contend that it can be explained with existing knowledge of brain/mind function.

A Game in Which the Rules Keep Changing
The techniques and staging will vary from church to church. Many use "speaking in tongues" to generate catharsis in some while the spectacle creates intense excitement in the observers.

The use of hypnotic techniques by religions is sophisticated, and professionals are assuring that they become even more effective. A man in Los Angeles is designing, building, and reworking a lot of churches around the country. He tells ministers what they need and how to use it. This man's track record indicates that the congregation and the monetary income will double if the minister follows his instructions. He admits that about 80 percent of his efforts are in the sound system and lighting.

For some, the healing may be permanent. For many, it will last four days to a week, which is, incidentally, how long a hypnotic suggestion given to a somnambulistic subject will usually last. Even if the healing doesn't last, if they come back every week, the power of suggestion may continually override the problem, or sometimes, sadly, it can mask a physical problem which could prove to be very detrimental to the individual in the long run.

Miracles
Now those who want to be healed are frequently lined up around the edge of the room, or they are told to come down to the front. The preacher might touch them on the head firmly and scream, "Be healed!" This releases the psychic energy and, for many, catharsis results. Catharsis is a purging of repressed emotions. Individuals might cry, fall down or even go into spasms. And if catharsis is effected, they stand a chance of being healed. In catharsis (one of the three brain phases mentioned earlier), the brain-slate is temporarily wiped clean and the new suggestion is accepted.

Testimony: Creating Community Spirit
In most revivalist gatherings, "testifying" or "witnessing" usually follows the fear-based sermon. People from the audience come up on stage and relate their stories. "I was crippled and now I can walk!" "I had arthritis and now it's gone!" It is a psychological manipulation that works. After listening to numerous case histories of miraculous healings, the average guy in the audience with a minor problem is sure he can be healed. The room is charged with fear, guilt, intense excitement, and expectations.

Bonding by Fear and Suggestion
Next, the fire-and-brimstone preacher will come out. He induces fear and increases the tension by talking about "the devil," "going to hell," or the forthcoming Armegeddon.

In the last such rally I attended, the preacher talked about the blood that would soon be running out of every faucet in the land. He was also obsessed with a "bloody axe of God," which everyone had seen hanging above the pulpit the previous week. I have no doubt that everyone saw it--the power of suggestion given to hundreds of people in hypnosis assures that at least 10 to 25 percent would see whatever he suggested they see.

Assured Continuation: Fleecing the Flock
Right about this time, when an eyes-open mass-induced alpha mental state has been achieved, they will usually pass the collection plate or basket. In the background, a 45-beat-per-minute voice roll from the assistant preacher might exhort, "Give to God, Give to God, Give to God, " And the audience does give. God may not get the money, but his already-wealthy representative will.

The Build-up Process: Inducing Altered States
Now the assistant pastor begins the "build-up" process. He induces an altered state of consciousness and/or begins to generate the excitement and the expectations of the audience. Next, a group of young women in "sweet and pure" chiffon dresses might come out to sing a song. Gospel songs are great for building excitement and involvement. In the middle of the song, one of the girls might be "smitten by the spirit" and fall down or react as if possessed by the Holy Spirit. This very effectively increases the intensity in the room. At this point, hypnosis and conversion tactics are being mixed. And the result is the audience's attention span is now totally focused upon the communication while the environment becomes more exciting or tense.

The "Voice Roll" Technique
A "voice roll" is a patterned, paced style used by hypnotists when inducing a trance. It is also used by many lawyers, several of whom are highly trained hypnotists, when they desire to entrench a point firmly in the minds of the jurors. A voice roll can sound as if the speaker were talking to the beat of a metronome or it may sound as though he were emphasizing every word in a monotonous, patterned style. The words will usually be delivered at the rate of 45 to 60 beats per minute, maximizing the hypnotic effect.

I was trying to be born again, so i googled born again and this site came up among other, this is some of the techniques used by our modern churches to brain wash us all, pls read carefully, and link will be given at the end. Educate yourself now before it's too late.


How Revivalist Preachers Work
If you'd like to see a revivalist preacher at work, there are probably several in your city. Go to the church or tent early and sit in the rear, about three-quarters of the way back. Most likely repetitive music will be played while the people come in for the service. A repetitive beat, ideally ranging from 45 to 72 beats per minute (a rhythm close to the beat of the human heart), is very hypnotic and can generate an eyes-open altered state of consciousness in a very high percentage of people. And, once you are in an alpha state, you are at least 25 times as suggestible as you would be in full beta consciousness. The music is probably the same for every service, or incorporates the same beat, and many of the people will go into an altered state almost immediately upon entering the sanctuary. Subconsciously, they recall their state of mind from previous services and respond according to the post-hypnotic programming.

Watch the people waiting for the service to begin. Many will exhibit external signs of trance--body relaxation and slightly dilated eyes. Often, they begin swaying back and forth with their hands in the air while sitting in their chairs. Next, the assistant pastor will probably come out. He usually speaks with a pretty good "voice roll."

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