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handsomebolanle:
Let me break this down a little bit
The bible reference heaven.. not as a place but as a characteristics in such that there won't be death,sleep, hunger, sickness, incorruptible heart... God lives in Zion
It's all about Heaven on earth... God's lifestyle on earth.

Heaven is not a place . What do you understand by mount zion ?
the bible says in Hebrews 12:22 that mount Zion is a place a city
the HEAVENLY JERUSALEM? meaning there is an earthly one which is in Israel. is Earth or Israel just a place without sleep or death. ...
Heaven is a place not just a realm
Hebrews 11:16
but now they desire a better that is a HEAVENLY (COUNTRY) .THEREFORE GOD IS NOT ASHAMED TO BE CALLED their God for he has prepared a CITY (ZION) for them .
meaning heaven is the country while mount Zion is city in country
heaven is also used in the bible as realms

handsomebolanle:
Let me break this down a little bit
The bible reference heaven.. not as a place but as a characteristics in such that there won't be death,sleep, hunger, sickness, incorruptible heart... God lives in Zion
It's all about Heaven on earth... God's lifestyle on earth.

Heaven is not a place . What do you understand by mount zion ?
the bible says in Hebrews 12:22 that mount Zion is a place a city
the HEAVENLY JERUSALEM? meaning there is an earthly one which is in Israel. is Earth or Israel just a place without sleep or death. ...
Heaven is a place not just a realm
Hebrews 11:16
but now they desire a better that is a HEAVENLY (COUNTRY) .THEREFORE GOD IS NOT ASHAMED TO BE CALLED their God for he has prepared a CITY (ZION) for them .
meaning heaven is the country while mount Zion is city in country

Boomark:
For those who have been taught that they all will go to heaven, read this carefully. If it must come to pass then you have to go and check what you believe in.

Revelation 21:1-3
A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people (men/mankind), and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

Revelation 21:23-26
23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.

This will take place at the last day. Did the Holy city go up into heaven or did it come down out of heaven from God? Who are these people(men/mankind in some translation)? Who are the kings of the earth and where do they reside, in heaven or on earth?

At this point, the kingdom must have come and the will of God will be done on earth as it is in heaven, Mat 6:10. And the meek shall inherit the earth, Mat 5:5.

Please am not a Jehovah's Witness. I believe some of the truth they share which some found difficult to believe cos it is not what their church fathers and Pastors teach them.

that statement is after the rapture and the second coming.
2 corinthians 5:8
WE ARE CONFIDENT YES WELL PLEASED RATHER TO BE ABSENT FROM THIS BODY (REFERRING TO PHYSICAL DEATH) AND TO BE PRESENT WITH THE LORD

rabzy:
What The book says was that Jesus was not raised with a human body, with a fleshly body, he was not resurrected with a body with flesh and blood rather he was resurrected as a spirit, he shed his human flesh and was resurrected as spirit. Is that what you call a spiritual resurrection? That's interesting.

Jesus was physically raised up from the dead by God and was raised up as a spirit, that is what the Bible taught. Before he went back to heaven he would materialize into a human body so that his disciples can see him.

jesus resurrected with a body of flesh and bones . he told Thomas to touch him. meaning of it was a body that could be touched.
. Jesus body was raised spiritual I.e immortal. show me also that scripture that says that Jesus materialize into a human body.
LUKE 24:39
BEHOLD MY HANDS AND MY FEET THAT IT IS I MYSELF . HANDLE ME AND SEE , FOR A SPIRIT DOESN'T HAVE FLESH AND BONES AS YOU SEE I HAVE

stop adding. the bible didn't say he materialize. it wad the same body but a glorified one that was why it still had the scars.
if he exist now without the flesh and bone then what is the proof that he was raised up
Jesus gave his body us by allowing it to be tortured for us.
ISAIAH 53:5
but he was wounded for our transgression he was bruised for our iniquities the chastisement of our peace was upon him and by his stripes we are healed.

to wound, bruise or to flog do they make the body to vanish or to have scares.
Matthew 26: 26
as they were eating jesus took the bread and blessed it and BRAKE IT and gave it to the disciples and said take eat this is my BODY.

notice the bible said he broke the bread symbolising that his body will be broken not to be made non existent . so his body was broken but his blood was given that was why he said flesh and bone.

JMAN05:
If the pronoucement of God is about spiritual death, why do we die physically?

why did Christ die physically?

What is the wages of sin? spiritual death or physical death?

Read 1cor 15:55, 56. Which death is mentioned there, physical of spiritual?

physical death is a certainty. I have explained this before you die physically because you are dead spiritually. a christian dies physically even though he is spiritually alive because his body is mortal(that is death doomed) that is why we will get the immortal body at the rapture.
2) christ died physically because he died spiritually
Matthew 27:46
and in the ninth hour jesus cried out with a loud voice
Eli Eli lama sabachthani ? that is MY GOD MY GOD WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME?
amplified version
..... THAT IS MY GOD MY GOD WHY HAVE YOU ABANDONED ME (LEAVING ME HELPLESS, FORSAKING AND FAILING ME IN MY NEED?
WHY DID THE FATHER FORSAKE HIM ? BECAUSE HE HAD TAKEN OUR PLACE WHICH MEANS ALL THE PUNISHMENT(which includes spiritual and physical) WE OUGHT TO FACE HE FACED IT , That was why the father forsook him . He died spiritually.
colossians 1:18
he is the head of the body the church who is the beginning, THE FIRST BORN FROM THE DEAD THAT IN ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE THE PREEMINECE .

which death is he referring to ? physical no because 1) Jesus wasn't born out physical death but was RAISED FROM PHYSICAL DEATH. that was why it was the same body but a glorified one thst was it still had that the scars of his physical death.
2) Jesus wasn't the first person to be raised physically. lazarus e.t.c were raised before him.

It was referring to spiritual death . He is the first man to be born out of spiritual death then the church. that was why
Hebrews 1:5
To unto which of the angels said he at any time
Thou art my SON , this day have I BEGOTTEN thee ?.....

he didn't say this day I have raised thee but begotten referring to his birth out of spiritual death.
Wages of sin is spiritual death ( that is separation from God) physical is only a certainty
spiritual death and physical death also been referred to in 1 corinthians 15
death has been defeated but not destroyed.

FreshGreen:
PROSPERITY PREACHERS

"By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber." 2 Peter 2:3

The prosperity preachers will exploit you with deceptive words because you are covetous of quick money, because you too like prosperity and deception of freedom without holiness, because you too enjoy the deceptive declarations of breakthrough, prosperity and unlimited favour.

You cannot be deceived with something or by somebody if you are not covetous of something.

These pastors, bishops, daddy G.O, evangelists, prophets, etc exploit you to enrich themselves and they live luxurious, extravagant lifestyle like the rich man in the parable of Jesus. Where did they get their riches? From you, your sowing seeds, prophetic offering, expensive school fees, etc. They abuse you spiritually, physically, financially, and mentally.

The Bible says the prosperity preachers will exploit you with deceptive words simply because of your covetousness for worldly things and care. The only weapons against prosperity preachers are the virtues of godliness and contentment, if you are saved and possess godliness and contentment, the prosperity pastors cannot deceive you with their preaching and prayer.

"useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself."

"Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
- 1 Timothy 6:5-10

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I have two questions for you ? Is God against his children being Rich?
Two ,what is the difference between materialism and prosperity.

JMAN05:
In other words, Abraham, Paul, Timothy, Peter were separated from God? Yes or no.

And also know that no one who separates from God would have eternal life.

2. My dear Satan is a liar. Dont go along his path, if not, you too will be decieved like Adam. If you say that Adam should have died that day, you are in effect saying that God's day is 24hrs. Is that not against your earlier statement?

3. If adam died cos of spiritual death, and we die ciz of this spiritual death, then no man will inherit salvation, cos eternal life are for those who are alive spiritually.

The bible shows that true xtians are not dead, but they are spiritually alive. Do you believe that? Or are you and your pastor also separated from God? If you are, sorry, but I am not.

you confusing two things . was adam a christian?.
1)Abraham was spiritually dead but not peter paul and Timothy when they became christians .
The bible says
Romans 5:14
nevertheless death reigned from adam to Moses EVEN OVER THOSE WHO HADN'T SINNED ACCORDING TO THE LIKENESS OF ADAM'S TRANSGRESDION ......

notice he didn't say death reigned from Adam to jesus? but from Adam to Moses .why because at the time of moses God gave them the Law. and if they could obey all the laws then they will have life
but they couldn't . that was why Jesus came.
John 10 :10
.....I HAVE COME THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE LIFE AND HAVE IT MORE ABUDANTLY .
you can't give life to someone who is alive but to someone who is dead. The people jesus was talking to were alive physically but were dead spiritually as a result of Adam's transgression

2) God doesn't have a day he doesn't dwell in time , Adam does. adam died that day because God told he would . if then say ada never died that day then God lied. that is the spiritually death which the bible refers to. 1 corinthians 15:22
for as in adam ALL DIE even so in christ all shall be made alive.

This verse said all died in adam . what kind of death if physical then everybody should have been in the grave before jesus came but paul wasn't referring to physical death but spiritual death which consumed everybody because of adam. A CHRISIAN IS NOT SPIRITUALLY DEAD BECAUSE HE HAS NO TIES WITH THE FIRST ADAM.
WHEN YOU BECOME BORN AGAIN YOU BECOME SPIRITUALLY ALIVE

3)A CHRISTIAN IS SPIRITUALLY ALIVE BECAUSE HE IS IN THE SECOND ADAM WHICH IS JESUS AND HE HAS ETERNAL LIFE

JMAN05:
You are correct to some extent, God's timing is different from humans. However, it also means that "day" from God's reckoning is more than 24hrs. It is thus evident that God used His reckoning when he said "day" in that Genesis. From that point, we can say that Adam didnt live more than God's "day".

The bold face isnt true. Granted, the death God pronounced means that Adam died a spiritual death, but God's statement shows that Adam would die physically too. Why do I say so?

Paul identified why we die. He said:

[KJV] Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

So sin is the reason why Adam died, and the reason why we die too since we inherited that sin from Adam. Compare James 1:15

If it was only spiritual death, people of God like Abraham, Sarah and Timothy would never have died cos they were never spiritually dead. But they all died 'cos of sin from Adam.

The physical death is certain because a man is spiritually dead. it just like the plant in the soil. when you uproot it, does it whither immediately ? no. but over a period of time it will whither . why because it has been separated from its source.
The same with the fishes in the sea . when you remove them from water. they don't die immediately but over a period of time. meaning God expects everything to be connected to its source for sustainance. The same with adam. if God was referring to physical death there meaning adam ought to die that moment when he sinned and the devil told the truth expect adam never died physically that time . What God was referring to was spiritual death not the physical. physical is only a certainty because he is dead spiritually. physical death is the separation of the Spirit from the body while spiritual death is the separation of man from God

JMAN05:
You are correct to some extent, God's timing is different from humans. However, it also means that "day" from God's reckoning is more than 24hrs. It is thus evident that God used His reckoning when he said "day" in that Genesis. From that point, we can say that Adam didnt live more than God's "day".

The bold face isnt true. Granted, the death God pronounced means that Adam died a spiritual death, but God's statement shows that Adam would die physically too. Why do I say so?

Paul identified why we die. He said:

[KJV] Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

So sin is the reason why Adam died, and the reason why we die too since we inherited that sin from Adam. Compare James 1:15

If it was only spiritual death, people of God like Abraham, Sarah and Timothy would never have died cos they were never spiritually dead. But they all died 'cos of sin from Adam.

The physical death is certain because a man is spiritually dead. it just like the plant in the soil. when you uproot it, does it whither immediately ? no. but over a period of time it will whither . why because it has been separated from its source

JMAN05:
Please see my comment above.

I dont think you are correct here. True servants of Jehovah are not death spiritually. we read:

[AMP] Ephesians 2:1 And you [He made alive], when you were dead (slain) by [your] trespasses and sins.

You see that God made His true servants alive spiritually. So spiritually, true xtians are living, but this does not mean that they do not die physically.

Paul was not referring to spiritual death in that verse. Neither does the scripture support the assertion that true worshipers of God are still spiritually dead. Never!

Paul stated that we have been "reconciled" with God at Rom 5:10, 11. Any who is reconcilled with God is not dead spiritually. So his stating that death ruled as king even to spiritually living worshipers of God, shows the reference was to physical death.

we are saying two different things. your statement is concerning a christian now . because a christian cannot be spiritually dead for he is already spiritually alive. and you are correct. But before we became spiritually alive where we not spiritually dead. that was what apostle paul was trying to say. he was saying that since we became spiritually dead because of what adam did why can't we become spiritually alive ( to become righteous through his Grace) because of what Jesus did. we are both correct

efficiencie:
My brother, i'm not a linguist and know little about the semantics... i just want to know if you are about to argue the infallibility of the WORDS of GOD by the mouth of bro James on WORKS and FAITH?

Let me differentiate the two
NOW FAITH is the assurance (the confirmation, [a]the title deed) of the things [we] hope for, being the proof of things [we] do not see and the conviction of their reality [faith perceiving as real fact what is not revealed to the senses]. amplified version

based on that definition faith is the title deed of your expectation.
faith is also the proof of things not seen I.e with the physical eyes. and convinced og their reality.

faith that legal document that guarantees that you have your expectation. faith is a active force just like wisdom. faith makes you do. The works James referred to are those actions that faith makes you do.
is just like you asking a man that has land if he is the genuine owner. he won't take you to his land but rather show you the title deed I.e legal document. that legal document is his faith. you don't use faith to receive from God. To receive from God you believe.
beliving is different from faith in that believing means to agree with or accept and it take place in the heart not in the mind.
beliving is included in faith but on it's own is not faith. there times God tells us to believe.

DEagle1:
Happy sunday to all.
I have been trying to reconcile and settle this for a long time now to no avail. I trust i will find what i'm looking for here on nl as always.
According to Genesis 2vs17 :but the tree of good and evil , thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest of it thou shalt surely "die".
Genesis 3vs4: and the serpent said to the woman, Ye shall not surely "die".
Romans 5vs14: nevertheless "death" reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that has not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression. ---ALL KJV
So the above verses what kind of death were the referring to; spiritual, physical or otherwise? Please i wish most of you wiil address this. thanks

They were all referring to spiritual death. except when Satan deceived eve that God was referring to physical death.
genesis 2:17 was telling man that he will die spiritually though physically he didn't die.

Romans 5:14
let me explain.
The bible said the wages of sin is death.....
that is spiritual death.
and when adam sinned spiritual death had entered the world and began to reign above all of them even if they didn't transgress like adam. spiritual death reigned over all because they all sinned in adam.

CAPTIVATOR:
Let God explain what he meant by death

" And to Adam he said : " In the sweat of your face you will eat bread Until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For Dust you are and to dust you { Adam} Shall Return"" Gen 3:17- 19 !!

But Did Adam died the day he ate the fruit ... YES !! A day with God is 1000years , Adam spent a lifetime of 930 years , from Gods sight he didnt use a day , thus he died within a day and the curse of death overtake him and he finally returned to dust . Gen 3:19,

NOTE : durin that 930 years he fulfilled what God has foretold that he will bcom many ! Thus gave birth to sons and daughters before death finally snatch him away .

sorry the bible didn't say a day with God is 1000 years with man because if that is correct then God tells you I will give you something tomorrow then it is after 1000 years.
2 peter 3:8
but beloved be not ignorant of this one thingthat one day is with the lord AS A thousand years and a thousand years AS a one day

that is to say God's timing is different from man's timing.

God doesn't dwell in time . he dwells in eternity. it is man that dwells in time.
When God told adam you will surely die , he was referring to spiritual death. The separation from God.
The physical was destined to happen.
it is like when you uproot a plant from the earth .
it has died but physically it still looks okay but with time it will fade away.

efficiencie:
Many on this thread are posting for posting sake and not reading in between the lines my opening post...

I say again there are works and there are WORKS! Works borne out of man's capacity defies Grace and vice versa but WORKS borne out of BELIEF in the Christ keeps FAITH ALIVE and only with a living faith can you get GRACE... Please read these verses and argue with bro James if you like:

James 2:14
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? Bro James is asking you all a question, please answer?

James 2:17-18,21,24
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works... Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? ...Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Ok, scribes and theologians start arguing with Bro James...instead of harmonizing scripture you pit it against itself...

what is faith according to the bible ? do you know there is a great difference between faith and believing

Grace and works can never go together. grace can only be received through faith. then we have to understand what grace is and what faith is.
Romans 11:16
And if by Grace then it is no longer of worksotherwise grace is no longer grace. if it be of works it is no longer of grace otherwise works is no more works.
right here is the definition of Grace.
works that is referring to the law of moses which made the people to get everything only by their human effort.
grace on the hand is the opposite. meaning grace is getting everything not based on your efforts but rather based on the works or effort of Jesus.
Therefore grace and works are two parallel lines that can never meet.
John 1 :17
for the law was GIVEN through moses but Grace CAME ( GINOMAI) through JESUS CHRIST.

notice the bible says God gave the law but grace came .
Grace is the person of JESUS. There couldn't be grace without Jesus.
that is why we say the grace of our lord jesus christ .....
coming up with what faith is

Nice write up

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