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MetaPhysical:
If your point is that Christianity is the rescue, you are misreading Kwara politics.

In fact Lawal, a muslim, did far more damage to Emirate than did David, a christian. Both were ex-military.

The upgrading , downgrading, upgrading, downgrading has been going on a long time. Its not a solution since a sitting governor can simply reverse what his predecessor did. See attachments.


Since 1999 there has not been a single christian governor. Kwara will be lucky to get christian governor succeed christian governor once....but will not happen twice. When it does happen....whatever anti Emirate policy they install will be dismantled when another muslim comes in.

Use facts on ground, not emotions, to understand Kwara politics.

See how the LGs have been tossed back and forth between successive govts.

What they need is an elimination of Emirate itself. That was Lawal's mission.

So your proving my point when you say the Muslim governor will reverse liberation a Christain governor will do
Looool
Anyways M Lawal seems to be the only Muslim governor who challenged the system but let’s not forget he was former governor of Ogun a predominantly Christain state

llakes4real:
I share your optimism, sir/ma! I personally don't like what I see in Kwara state. Minorities shouldn't be lording over us there. It irritates me to read that Yoruba kings are wailing about the injustice that a backstabbing throne does to them.

Some of the yorubas are even saying only a Muslim can be ruling Kwara but the same Muslims want to rule in majority Christain states such as Lagos Ogun ondo Ekiti kogi yorubas loooool

MetaPhysical:
You are mixing things up.

Removing the Emir resolves the problem for Asa and Moro.

A governor comes in and grades the traditional rulers and take their jurisdictions out of Ilorin.

Next regime is another governor, he puts them back under Ilorin.

He is succeeded by one that separates them.

He is in turn succeeded by another that puts them back.

This has been the story....


Get the damn turban out of there and stop the add and remove back and forth.....

Nope the David Banigboye Remoce the emir before removing Kwara south ?

I just sent you an article
Stop diverting my topic
I said only a Christian can remove those communities under Ilorin not remove a Fulani emir from Ilorin
It has nothing to do with Mohammed Lawal

llakes4real:
MetaPhysical

A legislation in the state's house of assembly should stop the back and forth. A willing governor sends a bill to the house of assembly and assist it to be passed, he then signs it into law. Overturning this would be an herculean task for any subsequent government.

Osaze007

The problem is not religious! There are lots of liberal muslims and muslims who don't like status quo in Ilorin, but lack political will from the successive governors in Kwara state. Getting a Christian governor in Kwara is close to impossible for now, and even if one manages to get there, would he want to risk rocking the boat? The military men were in a better position to change things. This their governor would even be more scared of doing the right thing, because he knows a Bukola Saraki is on his tail.

One thing am certain of is that the breakup of Nigeria would fix things. Fulani people would then be dished their own poison. They have amassed so many enemies, to the extent that in some west African countries, they are either killed on sight or arrested.

Waiting fr Nigeria to break up before Yorubas can reclaim Ilorin is a long thing

My topic here is only successive Christain government in kwara can whittle down Influece of the emir as evidenced by history
Obasanjo helped with creation of Moro LG
David Bamigboye helped to liberate Kwara south

If Cornelius Adebayo spent more time as governor a lot of things would have changed

That’s the truth backed by evidence

MetaPhysical:
David should have taken the Emirate out.

Now your diverting topic
The people of Asa, Moro and Jebba want out of Ilorin Emirates system

The people of Ilorin can only decide to remove the emir

MetaPhysical:
Im not sure you know what an Emirate is and how the jurisdictions work.

I believe you got these things mixed up.

Bida is under a different clan entirely.

In fact to further buttress my point
MORO LGA which gave Semi autonomy was formed under pres olusegun Obasanjo aanother Yoruba Christain . You can see here David free kwara south
Elect 3 yoruba Christain governors back to back (24) years and kwara will be back into yoruba people’s hand

https://punchng.com/how-kwara-govt-ilorin-emirate-oppress-our-people-jimoh-moro-concerned-elders-movement-president/?amp=1

MetaPhysical:
Dude,

Offa is why Ilorin Emirate did not extend Southward into present day Osun. What are you talking about? Which history?

Offa is the force that joined with Ibadan warriors to defeat Fulani.

They executed Yorubas in the Ilorin camp and drowned Fulanis and their horses as they fled the firestorm.

Offa is in Kwara....not every traditional title in Kwara is in the Emirate.

Offa has its own Oba Council...separate from Ilorin. It has never been under the Emirate....before or after Bamigboye.

You keep saying Christians will free Ilorin, was Mohammed Lawal a Christian?

No one has ever come close to toppling Emirate as Governor Lawal.

Your missing the point !
I said a Christain governor will free Asa, Moro & Jebba from Ilorin Emirates area of influence like David Bamigboye did with Offa allowing offa to have its own seperate council

The person that will free Ilorin is Ilorin people themselves

Since that David move
The Fulani Elites introduced Saraki to the local politics and held on tight by consistently providing muslim friendly yoruba government

That’s the bitter truth

MetaPhysical:
Dude,

Offa is why Ilorin Emirate did not extend Southward into present day Osun. What are you talking about? Which history?

Offa is the force that joined with Ibadan warriors to defeat Fulani.

They executed Yorubas in the Ilorin camp and drowned Fulanis and their horses as they fled the firestorm.

Offa is in Kwara....not every traditional title in Kwara is in the Emirate.

Offa has its own Oba Council...separate from Ilorin. It has never been under the Emirate....before or after Bamigboye.

You keep saying Christians will free Ilorin, was Mohammed Lawal a Christian?

No one has ever come close to toppling Emirate as Governor Lawal.

I didn’t say offa was conquered by Ilorin
Jebba,Asa&moro were never conquered by Ilorin but are under Ilorin supervision
The British put offa under Ilorin jurisdictions same way Asa, Jebba & Moro
It was David that took it out
What Jebba is going through was kwara south went through till David got into power
Till then they have been having mostly Muslims Governors

MetaPhysical:
When you say Kwara South you are talking of Ibolo region.....Offa and all that.

Kwara South has never been part of Ilorin Emirate.

It was but it was under under old northern region all up to even kogi yorubas it was David Bamigboye that cut them off

Ilorin Emirates even covered bida at a time
Im not Yoruba but I know your history WELL

llakes4real:
Maybe you are right, but I don't want to think think like that, because the Christians are minorities. I would rather argue thalt, He was able to achieve what he did because he
was a military man. Military people don't play stupid politics, because their life depends on it. The honest ones always make the best leaders! But all these yeye politicians are mostly bad leaders. They are in politics for themselves alone. Many of them contest for those offices to enrich themselves and not to serve their people.

The Christian governor will def free Asa, Jebba & Moro but leave Ilorin

MetaPhysical:
Bamigboye tried.

Mohammed Lawal was not Christian and he is the only one that has come closest to uprooting the Emirate.

If what Lawal did was today the Emirate will be history.


Ilorin people are made to believe that it is sinful to identify as an ethnic person. The person that does so stabs his Islamic brothers in the back and will not enter Al Jannah.

This Al Jannah....they have painted all kinds of pictures of it to enslave people and make them fearful of stepping across the line.

Ilorin muslims are slowly waking up. Little by little....

They will rather identify as muslim first, a Northerner second, then a Yoruba third.

The Emirate send preachers to read Quran and constantly remind them of the hellfire that kafirs will be put in. Any muslim who supports others against his muslim brother is a kafir.

So an Ilorin muslim must support a Northerner against his Yoruba brother. If he does npt he will burn in hellfire when he dies.

For a long time this was the program. Butlike i said Ilorin people are slowly realizing that its all lies and bullshyyte....so you have many of them now speaking up and opposing the Emirate.

The Emir himself is scared and full of anxiety that this throne is about to fall. If not in his lifetime....soon after.

Hence your enforcing my point
A Christain yoruba man has no time for such nonsense
It was a Yoruba Christian man that took kwara south out of Ilorin bondage despite being majorly Muslim zone
Hence it’s hard for a Christian to rule kwara cause it will mark the end

If the current dep governor becomes governor Moro and Jebba will be free that’s the bitter truth

llakes4real:
Honestly, it irritates me when I read Yoruba people wail against Fulani! I don't know why we do it? Obviously, this so called "one Nigeria" is weakening us is some ways, I guess. But, I just don't understand why some Yoruba people would be at the forefront on defending the status quo? I guess the northern military did a lot of number on our psychic.

"Yoruba" governors have always ruled that state but "somehow somehow" they refused to exclude them from the emirate, why? I guess, politics! The same politics that made a "Bukola Saraki" claim he is Fulani, is also the same thing this ones there too are playing. But where is the Bukola today now? They all fail to realize that power is transient and life is limited, so why don't they just do what people would remember them for rather than hold on to some political dominance that am very certain they cant sustain.

David Bamigboye would always be remembered by the Kwara south people, for the right thing he did for his people. How can you allow your own people be subservient to some minority Emir? How many years in politics can equate their libration? Something, is obviously wrong with us!

Anyway, Kwara state is very complex just like some of those North Central states and Kaduna state.

The reality is only a Christain governor can liberate kwara
As long as Muslims continue to rule kwara not much will change

David bamigboye was a Christain hence had 0 affiliation with any yeye emir

H

Osita is a regular commentator on Nairaland

None of them made their money in igbo land Kai

Cashsteady:
Seriously? Yorubas in the east I doubt it and who told you Lagos is not youruba land even your for Father's cannot argue it... For your info if Nigeria divide Lagos is going to be with the Yorubas cuz it's located in the south Western part of Nigeria and there is nothing you people can do you will end up going to your useless landlocked region and develop it by force

No give igbos hypertension o

The sick idiot here

BigBabyJesus:
Declare Biafra for them with the 5 Igbo states.

Deport every Igbo back to their Biafra

Cut every road, rail, air and even bush path linking Igbo land to Nigeria.

Make this announcement and see how that Jewish wombat will fade away.

As in chap chap

In old northern Nigeria the most peaceful town is kwara
Yoruba and peace are 5&6