₦airaland Forum

kingzizzy:
What would be the point of PDP fielding an Igbo presidential candidate if it results in a landslide win for APC in 2023? There are power blocs in Nigeria, particularly in the North and West that are not comfortable with an Igbo man being president and will never vote for an Igbo man.

The only way an Igbo man can become President is if all the major political parties in Nigeria zone their presidency to the South East and I do not see that happening. Thats how a Yoruba man emerged president in 1999 when all the parties chose Yorubas as their candidates.

An Atiku Presidency will almost guarantee the South East the vice presidency and thats better than nothing

I thought VP was slave position

Tflex01:
The reality is, with the settings of governance then, Igbos thought they will rule Nigeria forever.

The initial setup was actually designed to favor Igbos.
Modified:
Azikiwe (an igbo man) stood against secession by any tribe even when leaders from other tribes wanted it in the constitution.

Azikiwe teamed up with the north instead of Awolowo because he thought they can be easily manipulated.

Ojukwu (another Igbo man)foiled Adaka Boro attempt to secede and ensured he was jailed.

Aguiyi Ironsi (also Igbo) returned the country back to unitary system.

But when they realized that the political system was no longer in their favor, and their soldiers were relegated in the Nigerian army, they wanted to secede and take other minorities along with them in Biafra.

What do we call that

I smart pass everybody lol

Dedetwo:
You are a typical Nigerian with hole in the brain. If eastern region was the poorest in Nigeria one wonders why the richest regions insisted the region should be part of Nigeria. Please blame your forbearers for your lack of proper education.

You till didn’t answer my question

JAMO84:
All these does not change the fact that he bolted to Ivory Coast the moment he was at risk of being captured.

And he’s a coward

gwafaeziokwu:

Anything that makes you sleep well at night.

What matters most is that the entire 45 million Igbo population regard him as a Lion who looked the rest of you barbaric cannibals hunting down Igbos in 1966 right in the face and asked all of you to go to blazes!

Who led them in a historic charge to die on their feet when it was less terrifying to live on their knees. It is not his fault that the spineless coward Gowon, despite having Igbo land surrounded for the greater part of the war, could not fish out his nightmare who was balling right under his nose.

We are all eternally grateful to him for not making it easy for the enemies of Ndigbo. He took his final salute like a true soldier at Uli Airport, and gave Gowon Danjuma , Muritala and their British conspirators middle finger. With that he gave the likes of you a reason to cry forever. Ikemba lives on!

Ojuwku remains a coward

gwafaeziokwu:
Ojukwu fought like a true soldier for 3 solid years, Ogundipe did not even fire a single shot in anger.

Try all you could to equate Ojukwu with any of your cowardly ancestors, but the man walks in your dreams giving you eternal terror. Even in death, he gives you the hives. That is the mark of true warriors.

Ojukwu is a coward simple

gwafaeziokwu:
Just picture a country where Awolowo refused to endorse state creation by Gowon and insisted on regionalism. Where south West supported whole heartedly confederation as proposed by Ojukwu at Aburi which is far better than regionalism and make it a whole lot easier for each region to go their separate ways because they have acquired loose autonomy.

I wish the men from the west had the balls in 1966, Nigeria would have been the pride of Africa but alas Awolowo and Ogundipe ( two Yorubas) cowered in the moment of decision. Ogundipe own was worse. He was the next in command but he ran away for dear life making it easier for an officer(Gowon) junior to Ojukwu to take over.

I’m happy you agreed Ogundipe was worse and he ran away and the act of running away is cowardly

So you agree Ojukwu is the grand commander in cowardice for running away from his people

gwafaeziokwu:
Almost 60 years and you are still playing the same moronic card. More than 12 helpless people were killed in southern Kaduna today and you are not even bothered. Why? Because deep down you do not feel any connection with the southern Kaduna man yet you answer "one Nigeria" with them. Death is walking all over Nigeria at the moment and all you could think of is a man that died 50 something years ago.

You all hated his unification decree but rejected confederation at Aburi and embraced state creation which was never agreed upon by national consensus. Tell me which is worse; unifying the civil service while maintaining the region or the outright dismantling of the regions by Gowon as he imposed state on everyone.

I ask again, if you hated unification decree so much, why did you celebrate state creation. More importantly, it's been ages, why can't you change things to what you want or did Aguiyi Ironsi throw the key to constitional amendment into River Niger as he fell to the bullets of Danjuma and co?

You successfully didn’t answer the question

RichBoy247:
Aguyi Ironsi wanted to corner the resources of Nigeria for himself and his brothers but God pass them. Now, their generation yet unborn will suffer for it

I know but on what basis. ?
What would they have done
North uses land mass & population , what would igbos use. ?

LegendHero:
Read up the constitution of CAN and you will clearly see that they have zonal branches and they have the right to give opinion on their respective constituencies.

CAN SW zone or state zone have the right to speak up when they think a certain policy of government is against the Christian folks in their respective state.

The CAN example I gave perfectly fit into this scenario and both MURIC and CAN sometimes show the symptoms of “What Should Not Be” in an acclaimed religious institution.

That you’re trying to cover up CAN numerous gaffe by hiding under zonal segment is an attestation that you are also clearly biased. Just exactly like what you accused me of?

I am not defending any CAN don’t deflect topic
muric is the topic
They want to instigate religious crisis in Yoruba land
I grew up in Yoruba land and never seen such a thing before

LegendHero:
Nope you are committing a fallacy of hasty generalization.

Firstly on Amotekun, the rejection by MURIC is strictly based on his personal conviction and not a reflection of the SW Muslims. We have countless Muslims that supported Amotekun and even lot of their foot soldiers are Muslims. So how exactly do you think Muslims oppose Amotekun?

Per the issue of politics and religion, you will be a hypocrite if you think Christians also don’t most times scream marginalization is a certain government is perceived to be skewed to a certain religion (Islam).

It’s really disturbing that you could think MURIC agitation is a representation of the SW Muslims. When have you heard of Muslims making noise even when 5 out of the 6 SW governors are Christians?

Please brother, we should all condemn MURIC as an organization and not try to see the Muslims in Prof. Akintola’s image.

I have always condemn Prof. Akintola on issue such as this on Nairaland.

See the below: here is where CAN accuses Aregbesola of Islam using Osun!

False equivalency once more
Show ya Yoruba Christain Group that are targeting Yoruba Muslim governors calling them all names

It’s just how Igbo elites publicly denounce IPOB but low key support them

Using CAN as an example is dead on arrival since CAN is a national group not one focusing on Yoruba land

kingzizzy:
Only an ignorant person will say that Ironsi imposed unitary system on Nigeria, it was Gowon that did that. Unitary system cannot exist where there is resource control and there was full resource control in Ironsi's regime

Gowon built on it
But Ironsi introduced no propaganda can change such

It’s gone already but I want to know how the resources would have been shared , on what basis !

LegendHero:
I‘m not sympathetic to MURIC because the organization is a disgrace to the Muslim folks in the SW and the Yoruba progeny as a whole.

You should understand that in a tribe of over 35 million+, there will always be some outliers and Prof. Akintola unfortunately represent those outliers with his rubbish organization dishing out ridiculous statements recurrently.

I gave an example of CAN because they were the one that diets started all the marginalization madness and MURIC just borrowed a leaf from them to heat up the polity.

Both organization to me are deviating from what they are created for by delving into politics and hiding under religious shield to propagate their own personal agenda.

CAN targets mostly northern Muslims
Can you mention the equivalent of yoruba Christain group that targets Yoruba Muslim governors

This type of politics some Muslims want to introduce to Yoruba land will only consume the entire tribe

Only Islam is known for disturbing the society wherever they find themselves then the majority will say they are not associated with it

That you even think CAN is like MURIC ( who opposed Amotekun and sympathetic to Fulani herdsman)

Says a lot about you I guess
Beyond the dose of advise
You have passive support for MURIC cause it’s like Can

LegendHero:
Learn how to separate MURIC from sensible Yorubas that are Muslims.

He is just a one man organization without any credibility and mandate to speak for the SW Muslims.

But you’re a hypocrite tho. It is on this same Nairaland that CAN and some Christians complain that Buhari is marginalizing Christians in his government.

MURIC is also infested with the same disease bedeviling CAN and some bigot Christians, so all of them are bird of a feather.

I beg to diagree

CAN doesn’t target Yoruba governors predominantly and calling them all sorts
CAN’s equaivalent is Nigeria SUPREME ISLAMIC COUNCIL

MURIC targets yoruba mostly
They never target Yoruba subjugation in Ilorin
But are quick to harass other YORUBAS of different faiths

The same way you want to seperate Islamic terrorist from the rest of Muslims
You want to seperate muric from Yoruba Muslim’s and still be sympathetic to them

What were they planning to do ?
How would they have shared resources as they were the poorest region in Nigeria then

You still rather partner with the Fulani 2023 so shut it

Alajiki:
Read my post again...you would gain an understanding of what I'm talking about.

I read it very well
As someone who grew up in Yoruba land
From Lagos to Kwara
Yoruba remains a majority Christian group
However there’s no outright majority (60%) btw both faiths

AmuDimpka:
This Salah has shown that Yoruba are predominantly Muslims

All Yorubas celebrate salah & Xmas

Seeing the way some igbos are gloating here and will later say yoruba should support Igbo presidency loool

Alajiki:
Refer to the bolded.That argument is watery. In case you are not aware, south-western Muslims are more politically active than south-wester Christian's. Even ther are more Muslim electorates than Christians. The bulk of voters in the south west are artisans and Muslims are more than Christians here. With the exception of Ekiti and Ondo States, all other south western states are populated by predominantly Muslim card-carrying members of various political parties. So, how would it be difficult for a Southern Muslim to get Nigerian presidency?

That’s a fat lie
Yoruba remains predominantly Christian
Lagos
Ogun
Ondo
Ekiti
Kogi Yorubas

Predominantly Christain states

Only osun oyo and kwara have a sizeable Muslim poPulsation

That said political representation doesn’t necessarily reflect the population make up

For eg Lagos state has 75% Muslim house of Assembly members if you think 7 out of 10 yorubas in Lagos are Muslims your delusional

DEROXMAN:
Banjo got what he deserved ojukwu should have even roasted him and eat why can't he join the winning side and maybe with muritala and awo and Gowon the 3million would have been 10 or even complete genocide and would have saved us from these miscreants I say again I no feel for him same as fajuyi who preferred to die with that goat ironsi

Same way no one gives af about igbos when they scream pogom lol

Mo3891:


Political toddlers


Obasanjo a Yoruba man single handedly picked Jonathan an Ogbia man that speaks Yoruba fluently after trashing many Southeast Governors with EFCC to be VP to Yar'Adua and when Yar'Adua died same Obasanjo a Yoruba man went to North with Jonathan to strike a single term deal so that rotation can continue, and since Jonathan felt he could break promises Tinubu showed him the exit , chasing him out even with all the federal might


Nigerian politics is not about throwing insults it's about having sense



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Damn

llakes4real:
You are not seeing anything! It is a problem extremism and politicking. Do you think a Muslim like Bukola Saraki is an extremist? The man married a Christian wife (you should learn this from people like him). He keeps playing on the side of the emir because he wants favour from those he feels are the most powerful in the country, and not because he his some extraordinary Muslim. Study things properly before jumping to conclusions.

One thing you should learn is that, Religious extremism wouldn't take you anywhere in Yorubaland! Everyone is merged into each other. Imagine being born in a family where your Father practice Yoruba religion, your mom is a Christian, and your best uncle is a Muslim. What can anyone tell you against your people's religion?

Take a look at the last election in Oyo state and see for yourself our Yorubas think. I would argue that that Oyo state is predominantly Muslim (I haven't carried out any survey, just a calculated guess). Seyi Makinde, whose religion I don't know (I won't assume he is a Christian!) beat his opponent who trying to play the religious card (the APC man was campaigning with a Muslim middle name). Mind you the incumbent governor was Muslim in public (this is very important in Yorubaland )

I never said religion mattered in south west Nigeria

MetaPhysical:
You are not interested in true solution for the people. Your interest is foisting christianity.

A true seeker of solution does not speak the way you just did.

You have not made any point worth reinforcing.

You have succeeded in diverting my topic to Christain agenda since you can’t counter my point anyways I’m no longer arguing

MetaPhysical:
Stop using religion to divide people.

The article in the original post is what Im arguing on, its not a diversion. Your submissions are senseless. I dont support senseless religious agenda.

If you are looking for christianity to support your goal you are in the wrong community.....

If Yoruba in Kwara have awakened and began to pushbback on jihadi Islam....what makes you think Christianity will succeed with them?

They are not leaving Islam but they abandoning Islamic practice of the North.

They do not care if a Muslim or Christian is governor....which is the true Yoruba belief, their position is doing away with the Emirate.

The issue of separating Moro Jebba from Ilorin Emirate is a long battle, as far back as 1913, 1936.....under Christian rulers!

It has been a back and forth struggle. I posted article that supported the fact.

Christians have removed them, and a Christian have put them back.

A Muslim have removed them, and a Muslim put them back.

You have no point whatsoever, and your purpose is not to resolve their problem.....but you are exploiting their problem to force Christianity on them and further divide the people on religious line.

Shame on you!

I apologize I’m not trying to divide
I’m just saying what I see