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Muafrika2:
This sounds like a story by a Local tribe from the area.

I'd like to hear the story of mount Meru which is refered to in Indian Mythology. Is it an African mountain?

you can check your 'holy book' for that, or isn't India mentioned for good things in your 'holy book'?

enozy:
@ otemanuduno I'm not here to prove anything to you because you won't believe me or anybody else, know this, no man of God does miracle on his own there are other forces which is a mystery even to the so called Great men of God
since you have made it a point of duty to catch fake miracles then get your spy cameras,pen and paper visit synagogue church of all nation on Sunday look for people in prayer line interview them wait for the miracle after that follow them home get a medical report from a doctor to confirm their healing.
or better still get a diabetic patients take them to a test sponsor them to this miracle centers and confirm fir yourself.
God bless you as you search for the truth

Are the healed people living in synagogue of all nation? Are they not human beings like you and me? Haven't they returned to their homes, browse like us, shown themselves to us after their supposed healing? Don't they Google, browse and socialise like us? How come none of them is up here to testify that he or she was healed of diabetes after attending any of these churches? Even you didn't know any of them personally, doesn't that call for deep thinking? But I'm sure you know cases of diabetes, cancer, hypertension which have killed people who went to men of god for years without cure. Any of the two kinds of testimonies is welcome here.

The wife of kumuyi died of cancer, though she was with the 'man of god' all her lives. Dora Akunyili died of cancer, though she gave Yahweh a trial also, visiting some top pastors of the churches we have in Nigeria. When Ebola struck, TB JOSHUA was called upon by Ameyo Stella to help, but he didn't heed her call. She had to pay with her own life to cure the Ebola back then. I know cases of sicknesses which has killed my church members when I was still in church, but I don't know the case of any of them who were healed of any chronic sickness. Does that not call for a close scrutiny? A brother in my church always bring a blind man for healing in my church crusades for more than two years. The blind man never received cure. Now the brother who always bring the blind for cure is now with a deadly stroke, which itself hasn't been cured till date, though he still goes to church in his pitiable state. THINK!!!

So I can categorically tell you that NO ONE HAS BEEN CURED OF CANCER, DIABETES, SICKLE CELL, ETC BY THE SO-CALLED MEN OF god.

Wilgrea7:
cc: geoworldedu/otemanuduno

I'm shocked to see you inviting me to this shallow way of thinking put here by the OP. So shocked!

Op, I have followed up a case each in Kumuyi and Lord Chosen church. What I came out with was shocking and pathetic. The testifier gave an address of his district church location during her testimony. I went there the following week to ask whether there was such person, but I was so surprised that nobody bearing such name existed in that local church where the testifier mentioned. The same thing happened to Chinedu who went to Kumuyi 's church where the disabled were all returning home as they came, but some people who came out from the back of the stage were sharing their testimonies. After the crusade, according to Chinedu, all those testifiers returned to the back of the stage, such that nobody could reach them or probe them further.


@Enozy


Now let me pose the question to Enozy, have u seen anyone you know who got cured of diabetes thru men of god? Have you seen any who didn't get cured despite visiting the men of god? Have you seen any case of diabetes which led to death? Pls answer the question?

Wilgrea7:
its a good thing we used the same links

So in d link, didn't u see that some people survived without water for seven days? I happen to be among those who survived, so I'm special.
Check the screenshot below

Wilgrea7: ZEE
... so everyone else who saw Jesus was deceived be Eusebius, a mere dead historian... and you that saw atum is correct... that means you are being deceived by atum.. its the blue-goo monster that is appearing to you as atum... I'm sure you know how stupid that sounds

This doesn't still make sense. Did I here u say Eusebius is a mere historian? I laff in Ghanaian. Eusebius is even a more important figure that Constantine. He is a friend of Constantine. And he is the major figure in the Council of Nicea act. Atum the brother of Yahweh your god is the revealer of truth. I wouldn't have believed him assuming he told me that he is the creator of all things. I believed him because he told me that GOD THE UNIVERSE CREATED ALL THINGS

Wilgrea7:


otem... you got me laughing hard... six days... no food or water??.... that's plain suicide.... the human body can go without food for a week... but can't go more than 3 days without water... you of all people.. a doctor/regional something should know that... plus... if you eventually live past the third day... you're sure to be delusional.. and there would be a lot of adverse effects... i know about ASC... you don't need to fast before having an ASC..

I didn't tell you that you must fast to attain ASC. I am only telling u that I achieved mine by seven-day fasting. Did I here u say u can't survive seven days without drinking water? Read the content of this link and come back here http://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-days-can-you-survive-without-water-2014-5?r=US&IR=T&IR=T[/quote][quote author= Wilgrea7]although you may need to put off some load... sorry to ask but do you know what fasting is and its reasons and spiritual benefits? there are people who have had ASC and reported seeing Jesus whom you said doesn't exist... are they wrong?[/quote]if Eusebius appear to you as Jesus, how would you know? Didn't Eusebius also appear to me last year, yelling bring back my confession! At first I didn't even take him for Jesus, but I took him for yahweh until Atum returned to me and told me his tactics. Eusebius the writer of fictitious jesus is the one appearing to people up and down as jesus. That guy is a crook while on earth and he is still a crook in the afterlife. Here is a thread I opened when I saw Eusebius threatening me:
https://www.nairaland.com/3031778/met-god-edited-eusebius-one

Wilgrea7:


otem... you got me laughing hard... six days... no food or water??.... that's plain suicide.... the human body can go without food for a week... but can't go more than 3 days without water... you of all people.. a doctor/regional something should know that... plus... if you eventually live past the third day... you're sure to be delusional.. and there would be a lot of adverse effects... i know about ASC... you don't need to fast before having an ASC.. although you may need to put off some load... sorry to ask but do you know what fasting is and its reasons and spiritual benefits? there are people who have had ASC and reported seeing Jesus whom you said doesn't exist... are they wrong?

Redo ur research, human body can stay up to one week without water.

Wilgrea7:
just me... just one person... let him appear to me if he really exists... I've been begging you since

Can you fast for six days without food or water? Before you can see any spiritual entity, you can do so by ASC(Altered State of Consciousness). Scientists know about that and fasting is one way of getting to that state of consciousness. Go and fast for six days without eating or drinking, calling the name of Atum. Come back and share your testimony.

In my own case, December 25 to December 31, I was fasting to see Jesus of the Bible if he actually existed, but whom I saw was Atum of ancient Egyptian, who told me those who exist and don't who don't.

FAST FOR SIX DAYS AND EAT NO FOOD OR DRINK NO WATER. KEEP MENTIONING THE NAME OF ATUM. THEN COME AND TELL ME WHAT YOU SEE.

Why are there so many goats and sheep in my nation?
Why are there only few humans in Nigeria?
They go about with little or no wisdom at all.
The sheep are found on the streets, yelling.
They are seeking by all means to convert the few humans to sheep also.

The noises of the sheep in my land is so much.
For according to the thummim, they shall invent nothing useful but noise.

The goats are like them also. For they are very violent.
They kill and slaughter humans anyhow. They are very violent.
How shall the illiterate learn? How shall they learn?
They hate knowledge and embrace violence in ignorance.
They have with them a terrorist group called Boko Haram .

O nature, hasten your visitation to Nigeria.
Convert the goats and the sheep to humans.
Let them think deep with the brain.
Let them leave the worship of the gods for the use of the brain.

Shine the light on them. Bring them to the valley of knowledge.
For they do not know what they are doing.
Or else they would have a rethink.

Where are the people who were cured by the pastors and the bishops?
Where are the formerly lame and blind?. Where are the people whom we see afar off sharing testimonies of cure from diabetes, blindness and deafness?

Chinedu my helper has called for all those who are healed for a year now.
But we could not find anyone.
He has announced through the media. He has made it known on Internet, saying, come if you were healed by the pastors and prophets.
But no one showed up.

We have found nobody healed from the line of religion.
But we have found thousands healed from the line of medication and brain-using.
For they who were amputatted have gotten prosthetic legs back.
And these are not the idea of any god of religion, but the knowledge of the thinker.

I will say according to Zed, mix nothing with religion. For whatever you mix with religion shall not prosper. I will say also, according to the saying of Albert Einstein, USE YOUR BRAIN.

Good morning today.

AnonyNymous:
Also, lol can you teach me how to meet Atum? It's worth a try, I've tried so many religions so why not yours

I haven't made and I will never make any religion. The path u are following is okay already. The path of worshipping no god, using the brain to make life decisions and DOING GOOD TO HUMANITY.

Once again I say, U DON'T NEED RELIGION. Atum himself wouldn't appear to many, or else we will turn him to a god to worship.

AnonyNymous:
'I praise you god Soyinka'
Did you mean -your* or, -good*

Everybody is a god Praising here does not mean worship I am Praising him here means 'I am commending his effort'.

MrPRevailer:
geoworldedu Come to The Lord's Chosen @Ijesha Bustop.

Many who have been healed of their ailments hated God like you. But because of their ailments/when it became to serious they started looking for solution in churches until they came to CHOSEN and God healed them. So come now. Because solution is ready. No financial charges apply.

Mr Miracle fixer, aka Mrzenographer, you are breaking the rule. Geoworldedu clearly stated that we should put the case of those we know there, not the case of those we don't know who are sharing testimonies far away. So now tell us: DIDNT SOMEONE YOU KNOW GET A CURE FOR DIABETES? OR DID SOMEONE YOU KNOW DIE OR REMAIN DIABETIC EVERYWHERE AFTER A CONTINUOUS VISIT TO MEN OF god AND CHURCHES?

correctguy101:
Otem, d bolded eludes me. [/br]

I don't remember me making a choice before coming to this earth, I didnt / wasn't even aware I was here until like 2to3yrs of my life here. albeit most of the memories I recall from that stage aren't so clear I sometimes wonder if it were all a dream.

How do we get to knw what we chose if at all we chose anything before entering this threshold?

You won't know. That's how it is done.

Snow84:
He probably knew beforehand that some would be favoured to work in CBN, while others with the same qualification would roam the street. Birds don't labour before getting their meal, but that doesn't mean an adult bird will feed a very young bird that doesn't belong to it if it was fostered.

While making the brain, how is difficult for Him to put generous instinct and make selfish instinct unknown to man? The only meaningless thing I ever know is life.

You may be shocked to know that you actually chose the role you will come to play in the chess game called life. When you die, you have the opportunity to choose again or remain in the afterlife of peace forever. But mind you, the afterlife is so peaceful that you'll be asking for a reincarnation into the earth again(because of the excessive tranquility). I've been in the afterlife and I can bet you, all the stresses, pains and fears of the world is worth it compared to how that place is. I'm around because of my role on earth, or else I should be there by now, resting.

Junia:
Please don't mind that Otem guy. He believes he is all knowing because the devil keeps deceiving him.
He will speak against your post and quote from the book of satan (doctufos).
Anyway Kudos for teaching him the truth which he will still reject.

you find truth in ignorance and u feel happy about it? This is darn funny

Wilgrea7:
nice write up... but there are a few problems... the brain cannot be the organ of the soul... because when we die, our brains decompose and our souls move on..

The physical part of your brain is what decomposes. The atom of your brain goes with your soul to the afterlife. When I say brain, I am not talking about that physical organ u can see with ur eyes. I am talking about what makes that physical organ work. That is what I call BRAIN/SPIRIT in you. It is like an engine. The physical part of an engine is not really what makes the car move. If the engine knocks, the car stops working. Then ask yourself, why is the engine still there but d car isn't working anymore? Same goes for the brain. THE SOFTWARE OF THE BRAIN IS WHAT WE CALL THE SPIRIT, NOT THAT HARDWARE PART OF IT YOU ALWAYS SEE. Remember, we are made of spirit (controlled by the brain code) and body.

Remember, you can have a CPU, yet your computer isn't working. The unseen part of the CPU is actually what we are talking about whenever we say CPU, not that big structure u always fix the monitor with.

So the physical brain structure is just the container of the spiritual brain(brain code) I am talking about. That code is the only thing the ghosts(spirits) possess, not the physical one at all. We humans have both.
USE YOUR BRAIN.

excadz:
You are describing Human behavior and like most people you fail to see Life. Life begging where molecules of matter string together to form DNA. It developes, diversifies, and forms aspects of itself capable of conscious thought. We cannot live without the collective support of every other aspect of Life. Bacteria, Plants, animals. Its called symbiosis but it describes the single entity. Spirit is Electro-Magnetic energy, the Ether of the Universe, the Creator

Wilgrea7, come and see another Otem. Check the bolded and see.

We who have known the truth about life are the conscious and rich part of GOD THE UNIVERSE. The unconscious parts are the poor in the spirit(the sheep). We are evolving spiritually(brainially).

Wilgrea7:
if i may ask... how on earth did you arrive at the conclusion that the spirit is the brain?... and do you know what “poor in spirit" means??

The brain is the organ of the spirit. Anything spiritual is from the brain. The heart controls the physical. If you know how to use the brain very well, then you can suppress all 'nightmares' take charge of your life, make things happen, see into the spiritual world, defeat all gods and, neutralise all curses, give the curser back his curse(like goddys), speak against wicked people and what you say will happen(Samuel Ekweme) , do magic, make people submit to your wishes, make people see you in their dreams, change the world, choose to grow old before you die, have good luck, read minds(psychologists), do evil and escape the consequences(Eusebius, Robert Mugabe, Babangida the Maradona), do good (myself ), make inventions, etc.

The use of the brain is just unlimited and it is the actual organ which gives the illusion of spirituality. IF A BRAIN IS SCARED, IT SEES NIGHTMARE WHERE HE IS THE VICTIM, BUT IF A BRAIN IS WISE AND NEVER SCARED, HIS NIGHTMARE WILL TURN TO LUCID DREAMS OF ADVENTURES.

A scared brain will see illusions of demonic oppressions while experiencing sleep paralysis but an enlightened brain will see nothing or will see a bleak vision of the future when experiencing sleep paralysis.

A scared brain will call the name of his central figure in dreams e.g Ogun save me, Sango save me! Jesus save me! But a rich brain will speak like Luwabi in his dream "This dream self, finish on time abeg make I go face the reality".

Those who are rich in the spirit can oppress the poor in the spirit (brain) and go scot - free(e.g the pastors become rich while they make you poor by collecting ur tithe and offering.) A writer of religious faith makes the followers poor in their spirit while he controls them like sheep(animals). Eusebius is guilty of that. But they can't oppress people who are equally rich in the spirit like them.

So I am urging the rich in the spirit to help the poor in the spirit by helping them think deep with their own brains and not with the brains of other people. Let the poor brained know that no spiritual attack can kill them but only heart attack. No demonic oppression kills anyone but high blood pressure. No village witch or wizard can say something and it will hold on you except if you are afraid. And it is that fear that causes your afflictions, not the so-called witch or wizard.

urheme:
Just tell us you are diabetic. ....you won't find a cure on nairaland

I wish to clear this misconception.. it is not the pastors that heals.....it is God that does the healing.

divine healing is not merchandised, is not merited and cannot be acquired by mens effort... it is mercy from God, unmerited mercies.

I still maintain that God can heal your excess sugar condition no matter the degree..............God is still healing till date and till tomorrow.

I think what d Op wants to establish is whether those thousands of testimonies we hear about cure from pastors are true or not. If all of us on nairaland don't know one cured person among thousands of testifiers, I think it calls for deep thinking. He has opened about three to four threads before about the lame, blind, etc who got cured by Yahweh through the pastors. It's a year now but no one showed up.


so once again, the question is WHETHER YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO GOT CURED FROM DIABETES AFTER VISITING CHURCHES. PLS NOT THE TESTIMONIES FROM DISTANT PEOPLE.

We know 'Yahweh can cure' but what we want to establish is whether he has ever cured or the ones we hear of are all staged.

Junia:
Ok Mr. Otem Intelligent Human being. Mr. Rich in spirit.
What have you achieved so far with your rich in spirit and intelligence You should be recognized by now. But unfortunately, you are only popular in Nairaland and those you call sheep are rather prospering and more popular than you.

We scribes don't show ourselves off. Generations to come are those who will know us. They would even be shocked that our names didn't appear in great history books, yet we become popular. In how many history book did you see Paul, Isaiah and Zechariah? That's how it works. We scribes follow a code of conduct: "We don't show off ourselves."


May the Light of God the Universe quickly transform you and your likes from sheep(poor in the spirit/brain) to a human in Otem's name, AMEN.

urheme:
I don't know why you should mention my name.....
you don't know catfishbilly is a dangerous doctor......sin and iniquities bring back sickness after being healed.....when God touch you,... you do not go back and live your formal life of sin or it will get worse.

but the foolish thing the man did is to have catfishbilly as his doctor....he will die quick.

i still maintain that God can heal anything, whether it has a name or not,.... and irrespective of your faith.......just keep sin out of your life.

so any case of a diabetes patient you have seen? Did d person get cured by a pastor you know or did the person die or get amputated later, despite having seen many pastors? That's the topic, let's go back to it.

More below:

It's my birthday month! I'm born to bring back the original Easter aka Ishtar which is the celebration of the death and birth of Ishtar(Eostre). Now when you celebrate Easter as from now, bear in mind that you are actually celebrating the death and birth of Ishtar, one of the sumerian goddesses. And coincidentally I am also born in Easter period and I will die in Easter Period too

I'll be posting POWERFUL 'SERMONS' from my parlour daily from now till the end of April. Enjoy.

Junia:
Im sorry. God is my Father and Jesus calls me brother. I am no slave brother. I will even be glad to be a slave of Jesus Christ.

Who want to dash you slave(human being)? You are a sheep joor

CatfishBilly:
A known patient of mine has been diabetic for a while.
So, during a church service, a Pastor prophesied that someone in church was diabetic and would get healed.
He fell under the anointing as he was talking.
He claimed he got healed, stopped his medications for a while, he was actually healed or believed so, then one day, she broke down, his blood sugar was markedly elevated.
He is back on his medications now.

What a pity! Those men of thieves play on people's brain. He fell because he was so emotional about it. Urheme where are you? Because your being a Christian too was because you once fell. Emotion can make you confess to what didn't even happen to you. That's 95% of testimonies you hear in churches today. It's a pity.

Junia:
Ok keep deceiving yourself and read the book written by the devil.

Lol. Who or what is the devil? We only know Satan aka Yahweh. if there is any devil, Yahweh's character alongside the character of Allah his friend should fit in perfectly.

96. Seek the good of your customers who love to buy your goods. For if they become richer, be sure that they shall also buy more goods from you than they previously do. But if they become poorer, then shall it affect your sales also.
97. Concern yourself also in other goods which you do not trade in directly. For they may be the cause why your own goods are not yielding much profit. For he who sells firewood shall be affected when the price of wool and oil is lesser than before.
98. And many shall go for the wool and oil rather than the firewood, saying, since it is better than firewood in cooking, then we shall rather go for it now that it is cheap.
99. Therefore, know when to lower the price of your goods when the price of another good is brought lower also.
100. Whenever you make an agreement with anyone in the matter of trade, make sure to have one or two witnesses with you. And let a scroll be brought wherein you shall write down your agreement in.
101. And let the scroll be sealed if you have the seal with you. For by writing down agreements shall many matters be settled. And it shall become an evidence, or else there shall be nothing to fall back on whenever an agreement is breached.
102. Teach your children the way of trade when they are young, so that you may hand over the trade to their hands with peace of mind when you become old. For if you do not teach them how to trade at young ages, it shall be very risky to put them in charge when they grow up.
103. For there shall not be continuity of your business if your children squander the gains of the business because they do not know how a trade is run.
104. Study your buyers. Make them feel your love for them. For they shall not leave you for another trader by so doing.
105. It is one thing to have customers and to keep them is another thing. For many who had many customers shall lose them if they do not know how to be friendly with them.
106. One customer has the potential to bring a score people to you in two years. Therefore if you lose a customer, you may have lost more than twenty customers indirectly.
107. Don't buy anything you see, thinking that you shall be able to sell them easily. For the sales of salt to the homos who live around Madeus and the red sea is a waste of time, because they have more salt with them more than you know. For they are close to those seas themselves.
108. Consider the business you shall do before you begin. For if you buy your land in a place which is far from the materials you need, you shall run at a loss eventually, or you shall not be able to sell your finished goods at the same price which your competitors sell their own.
109. Survey a place and see what they need. Then go there with those things and supply them.
110. For so did Mitsu when he saw how many were stuck in the desert place, feeling thirsty. And Mitsu went to hire a caravan. And he came with many containers of water. And those pilgrims willingly gave him their gold and silver in abundance to have a little water for their throats.
111. And Mitsu made over one thousand pandas for the water which he fetched freely from the well of Haznut.

Wilgrea7:
good evening Sir... i do agree that i have little knowledge of the spiritual plane... when i created this topic, i had NO knowledge of the spirit plane... so please forgive me... but between then and now, I've gotten a little knowledge... i do know that the spirit plane has different realms and whatever happens to us after death depends on our level of spiritual advancement... i wish i could delete the topic... but i can't..... I've started reading one of the books you suggested earlier on this forum
the Celestine prophecy.... although I've been busy recently, I'll still make out more time to read it

Does it now mean that you believ in an eternal hell fire now?

Wilgrea7:
nah!! not even a lil bit

U ain't Yahweh, don't speak for him. He knows what I Otem am saying, being the truth.

77. When you go to a place to buy goods and they bring another good for you which you have not planned to buy, make sure you do not make haste to pay for them over the ones you have in mind before.
78. But stay still for a while and think deep. Then choose what you want after thinking deep.
79. The desires of the homo erectuses are more than the things which are available naturally, for the homos love to possess all good things, therefore, do not think that you shall not make gain if you begin a trade.
80. But you shall find the place where the goods you sell are needed. Then shall you make large profit and your business shall grow.
81. Do not sell to the rich at a very low price, for they shall doubt the originality of your product. And many of them shall not purchase the goods from you because you charge them little. And from your neighbour who charges them much for the same goods shall they buy.
82. Do not charge the common people and an average person very much for your cheap goods, for some of them shall pass you by and shall not try to beat down the price, even though you call them back.
83. Strengthen one another with your money. Gather the savings of ten homos and give to one. And let it continue until everyone has received the savings of the others. But do this only with the honest souls, or else it shall not end well.
84. Be careful when you go about with money. For there are thieves and robbers who watch from distance.
85. And some of them shall come near you to ask you questions which if you pay attention to, you shall be lost in your heads. And you shall be lured away to be beaten severely and robbed of your possession.
86. Therefore do not stay in any place where people speak things which are not meaningful to you in order to make you faint or hypnotize you. For the head becomes weak in the multitude of nonsense talks.
87. Do not make a feast because you made an unexpected profit from a trade. . For it is foolishness for one who makes a gain of fifty talents to make a feast of thirty talents to celebrate it. For he shall not know when he shall even spend all the gains which he has gotten.
88. Do not order for goods in very large quantity when you do not have any land to keep them. And if you have not made arrangements for those who shall help you distribute your goods, why then did you order for them? And if you do not have money to pay for those goods, why then did you order for them? And if you are not ready to take chedv
89. Learn from history the story of Raf who sent for goods. And when the goods were brought, he paid his bill and they laid down the goods before him by the roadside.
90. And Raf said, now I shall go and look for labourers to work upon these raw goods and make gains with them. And Raf left the goods in care of one whom he did not know well.
91. And Raf sought after labourers to take those goods with them to work upon. And when Raf returned with the labourers from the hilly places, he who was looking after his goods had departed with a large portion of those goods.
92. And the labourers whom he brought with them said, now you have called us from a far place, but you have no work to give us. Therefore give us money for our journeys back to the hills.
93. And Raf said, why do you not have feelings and sympathy? For I have been robbed of my goods. And the labourers said, we do not care. For you are f*olish because you have no land where your goods shall be kept to be worked upon, yet you asked for goods in a very large amount.
94. And you left your goods in the care of a stranger also. Do you not know that without a place for your goods to be, you cannot do anything? And without the owner of goods looking after it at the beginning, it shall be difficult for such trade to stand.
95. Now the labourers collected all that are left in the purse of Raf and departed. And Raf had no money anymore. And he went towards the sea called Madeus and jumped into it. But the fishermen rescued him.

AceRoyal:
Hi,
Have sent u pm twice yet no reply from u.I find Ur book very interesting.please can I get a copy of it?
plus I got questions to ask.
Following Ur thread!

I have very many mails on my mailbox. I'll surely find time to reply you, just be patient. Concerning the ebook copy of this doctrine, it isn't anywhere yet because the revelations are just coming daily. I'll be able to complete the doctrine to the 'let out level' next year December. Just stay tuned. Thanks.