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joyandfaith:
That are your claims and we cannot not verify it. How can we believe you? Anybody can claim anything. If you think you are wise, you are actually foolish.

My foolishness is wiser than the wisdom of Jehovah your god. There's no probs joy and faith.

joyandfaith:
people can decide to worship a god without god asking them to do so. if you are not worshipping Jehovah God, you are worshipping satan. that is concept of religion.

You are not telling the whole truth. What you say here applies only to the christian religion. For muslims, if you are not worshipping Allah, you are worshipping Shaitan. In Zoroastrianism, if you are not worshipping Ahura Mazda, you are worshipping Devas.

joyandfaith:
your knowledge of bible is poor. The law of sabbath was for nation of Israel and that law was dead with coming of christ who was sent by Jehovah to die for our sins.. why do we say law of christ and law of moses.? Jesus is the lord of Sabath so you can work with sabath.

That means that your god Jehovah didn't get it right initially. He didn't know whether it is good to work on Saturday initially, then after about 1 thousand years, he began to have sense right? ; But how about those who got it right earlier but he ordered that they should be stoned to death

joyandfaith:
you are creating a new religion unless you are so daft that as historian from your claim you do not meaning of religion. atheism isca form of religion. go and read again, I know that more than 10 years ago.

Okay, in your opinion I am creating a religion and atheism is a religion. But they are your opinions, not the general opinions. Cheers.

joyandfaith:
You can work on saturday. Next question pls?

The reason why I asked the question from that specific person was to know what is good and what is bad, according to the eyes of religion. Jehovah his god commanded that they should kill people who worked on Saturday. And according to him, it's only religion that can determine what is good or bad. That was why I wanted him to tell me whether it is good or bad to work on Saturday. Now I can see that you have answered the question and I see that you have a better judgement than Jehovah his god, the psycho who commanded that people should kill people who worked on Saturday

joyandfaith:
we are saying the same thing. your own religion and god should able to stop war and bring peace to the world.

I don't have a religion. I heard you say that atheism is a religion. No it is not, because religion was defined as a belief in a god or worshipping a god. Atheists don't worship any god.

joyandfaith:
historian or philosopher. you are creating a new religion. or what is religion? even atheism is a form of religion. messi is a god. Bob Marley is a god. otem is another god. new concept.

You are a goddess. A god or a goddess is somebody who creates. Somehow, you create things but you may not know.

joyandfaith:
We know you are trying to create another god in person of otem. psycho

I am Otem, a god, a psycho(logist) same way as you are a goddess(a psycho...). But I am not a religious god. Have you ever heard of gods of history before? I am not to be worship and I don't worship anybody.

joyandfaith:
New religion in nairaland is Otematumism or Otemism or Atumism. If you cannot decode that, you must be one of the products of exam malpractices.

Otem is a Historian, not a Religionist. Pls take note. I teach people to reject religion rather than forming another.

joyandfaith:
And to replace with another religion

And the other religion(Christianity) even did more killings than the first(Judaism) globally. The mortal wars between the Catholic Church and the Protestant Church in the 17th century claimed more than 3 million lives, not to talk of thousands of people also killed for heresies and blasphemy in the name of Christianity religion.

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The Difference is Very Very Wide!

1). Stubborn, very stubborn children are always unruly, badly and wickedly behaved and there is no soul on earth who in Truth, does not wish them away from the kingdom of the living.

And if they can not live among the living, then they should live with the dead, maybe the dead would be happy to receive them and they can all continue there together in "that happiness".

Whilst the living continue in their own living happiness. Equation balance 1-1.

2) I have already addressed No 2 up in my response to you, so I skip to 3.

3) Did You not hear that our father, Abraham and his house was Cleansed and made Holy? And that it was our God's Plan to make the whole earth Holy and Good, as He Had first made it? So, if our house is Holy, how then shall we then Tolerate Any Speck of Unholiness?

No we shall not, and just like A Little Spit of Corona Virus, destroys the whole body, and no one would even allow the shadow of a Corona Virus Patient to even pass near their person, not to talk about their children, animals or land, so also is an unholy nation including all their possessions, lands, animals, everything is infested with their unholiness and they Must All Be Burnt like everything a Dead Corona Virus Patient has touched!

Same answer for Nos 4 and 5.

6) I do not even need to talk too much, Romance Section has done the talking for me. See how the Cheated, Verily Wants to Kill the Cheat and her or his partner or is it the news where couples have killed the ones they have caught, including themselves, the Lastma man case still they drip blood!

There is Always Always a Good Reason and Explanation For All of My God's Laws and every soul, Truly would have been happy if His Laws have been implemented.

Foolish Stubborn children would not exist as to make other foolish children to become clearly foolish. Therefore even foolish children could have lived foolishly without dying for their foolishness!

Every Holy Day we supposed to dey laugh, dance and Jam tire!

3, 4, and 5, No Disease and death in the land because Holiness and Long Good Life go Plenty!

6) Nobody go dey near our Babes and Bobos, our wives and our husbands and even our daughters go dey marry well well!

But una don spoil the Party Finish, so nothing for una!

I Rest here!

I don go sleep, till we meet again![/quote]1. Lol, as if you can offer your very stubborn son to be killed even if he broke your laptop twice in a week.
2. Today is Saturday, how many people working will you kill?
3. You didn't answer the question. Most of the Indians don't worship your god, is it right to go and kill them and their animals?

Missyajoke:
Most people think there's still time no knowing that time is almost up for the human race. Christ coming will surprise lots of people. The devil is trying to infiltrate the church and once he infiltrates the church completely.

Is this miss saying a joke or something?

Dtruthspeaker:
I am clear what things I am happy about and I will always declare those things I am happy with and I do not know the reason why a person should be killed and can be killed for drinking alcohol, so prima facie, I Clearly say, in the absence of a good and reasonable Reason, and neither am I able to find one, I Do Say that this is not good but evil.

And my own God Never commanded this should be done.

Let's see which is worse between what your own god commands and what the muslim god command

1. Your god commanded that you should bring your stubborn son to the public to be stoned to death.
2. You should kill people who work on Saturdays.
3. They should kill all animals and human beings, including the children of other lands who didn't worship your god.
4. Commanded that Elijah should kill priests who worship other gods.
5. Kill people tagged witches and wizards.
6. Kill a woman who commits adultery.

And the long list continues...

Now compare with these killing for alcohol and tell me what difference you see.

These are the main reasons why religion is worse and it should be done away with.

I'm in

Another lives just lost because of religion. Killed for taking alcohol. Dtruthspeaker will be happy to hear this, same way he was happy that people were killed for working on Saturdays.

Dtruthspeaker:
Gensteejay here is More!

"The Authority Of Otem Over Yahweh And Allah by OtemAtum: 8:03pm On Oct 09, 2018
Dibnim 2:1-10


1. A million gods, both physical and spiritual may contend against me, I always will win.
2. They apply psychology and physical strength to defeat me, yet I kick them aside."

These are already posted publicly and he knows about them, so what's the point of posting them here?

Dtruthspeaker:
Ah! Okay, take this one

"Yahweh And Allah Must Bow At The Mention Of My Name OTEM!!! by OtemAtum: 4:11pm On Oct 08, 2018
Yes, they must bow! I Otem, the destroyer of the philosophies of Yahweh and Allah have come with Authority to remove the deceptions of these evil gods from the face of the world."

And what does this have to do with gensteejay?

Dtruthspeaker:
One Particular Day, would have been very Bloody and every other soul who does not wish to die, would have seen reason to comply, till the next set of Disobedient children rise up and the Consequence Shall Be Repeated, yet again and again and again and again.

Lol

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes, I Say, Yes Again I Say, and for jara, I say, Yes Again!

Any One Who Does Not Obey The Law of His Maker, Is An Applicant, Applying for Wrath of his Maker to Be Visited Upon Him and whatever his Maker Commands Should Be Done To him, That Shall Be Done to him!

That means Saturday would have been very bloody globally assuming humans didn't later become wiser that Jehovah. Lol

Dtruthspeaker:
Are not referring to the Law of the Holy Days called the Sabbath which people today, say it is Saturday?

Then I have answered the question even with an explanation and I HAVE CLEARLY DECLARED THAT IT IS GOOD TO OBEY THE LAW OF THE HOLY DAYS CALLED THE SABBATH!

That means it is good to kill people who work on the so called holy day too, isn't it?

Ghostrye:
The fear of eternal fire is the beginning of religious conformance

Eta ntagba 9: 1-3
1. Religious fear shortens a lifespan.
2. But making findings and meditating prolongs it.
3. A god is not born but made.

Eta ntagba 14: 1-3
1. If the scribes have said that the fear of a god is the beginning of knowledge, I have come to say otherwise;
2. Therefore I say, the fear of a god is the beginning of stupidity.
3. For that same god whom you fear to death is the mock song of other people.

bigname23:
guy I don tire for arguement read wat I wrote..dat was y I said I don't judge pepo but I let God do the judgement because not all who appear to be religious are actually believe in jesus, but there are also people who don't conform to traditonal religious rules but they follow God

Okay

Chapter Thirty One
1. Elisabeth Olsdotter was a female homosapiens born in the 281,642th year of the homosapiens era, (1642CE) in Långhundra Härad, Sweden.
2. In those days in Sweden, the women were highly suppressed by religion. They were not regarded as humans in those days, but rather as one of the beasts of burdens.
3. For the Swedish men made laws only suitable for men and did not have any good plans for their women.
4. In those days, women who reported their husbands for infidelity were punished. For they quoted the bible, saying, women should keep silent.
5. Now many women in Sweden began to dress like men so that they would live like men for the rest of their lives.
6. Many of them left their husbands and fled to other places to commence life as a man.
7. While many others never got married, because they did not want to be treated like domestic animals by their husbands.
8. Now Elisabeth got married to a man named Anders Persson who seemed to be a good man.
9. But Persson began to reveal his true identity just after they had a child. And he beat her up often for any slight provocation.
10. He also starved her and made her sleep outside the house in the cold of the night many times.
11. Now Persson was an adulterous man and a drunkard also. He would bring other women into their matrimonial home and command Elisabeth to make the bed for them so that he could have sex with them. Now he brought home a child whom he got through one of his concubines.
12. And he charged his wife to take care of the child as her own, saying, let nothing bad happen to her. For she is my favourite child rather than your bastard son whom you claimed that you bore for me.
12. Now Elisabeth met a woman named Dorothy, whom she earlier thought of as a man. Then Dorothy advised her to flee the town and start a new life like a man, same way she did.
13. Now Elisabeth listened to the counsel of Dorothy and fled the town. However, she did not live like a man.
14. Now Elisabeth met a woman named Sara Wodën and they became friends. Then Sara told Elisabeth of her ordeals in the hands of her late husband, how he maltreated her and reduced her to a beast of burden. Then Elisabeth also told Sara her own ordeals too.
15. Then she also said, a friend named Dorothy had advised me back in Långhundra Härad that I should change my identity to that of a man.
16. Now Sara laughed and said, let me bring to you some of my husband's clothes to see if they will fit you. Then she brought them and when Elisabeth had put them on, they fitted her.
17. For she also wore the uniform of a soldier which belonged to the late husband of Sara.
18. Now Elisabeth said, I am no more Elisabeth Olsdotter but Mats Ersson shall my name be henceforth.
19. Now in those days, it was difficult for women to be employed, for it was said that men should do all the official works while women should be at home to do all domestic work for their husbands.
20. And for women who were not married, they should remain under their parents to be catered for. But the widows and female orphans were neglected, such that many of them had to beg for food and money on the streets.
21. And this was one of the reasons why the women began to dress like men in those days- to get employment.
22. Now when Sara had observed how manly Elisabeth appeared in the clothes of her late husband, she said, I will recommend you to work as a servant for a man who was my late husband's friend.
23. Therefore take possession of all my husband's cloth, so that you could appear as a male.
24. So Elisabeth took possession of the clothes of Sara's late husband. Then she got employed by the man who was the friend of her friend's husband.
25. Now Elisabeth continued to work as a servant for the man and nobody noticed that she was a male. She worked hard and she shared the proceedings of her work with Sara her widow friend.
26. Now Elisabeth loved life as a man because she was treated with respect and fairness and was put at the forefront of many tasks.
27. Then she said, I would rather remain a man than to return to the servitude of womanhood.
28. Now when she began to feel the need for a sexual companion, she told Sara saying, I cannot remain this way.
29. I need a companion who will take charge of the house while I go to work. I prefer a female companion so that I can remain as a male.
30. Now Sara said, what about children? How will you give birth? Then she said, I already have a child with my husband.
31. When the time is ripe I will go there disguised in the uniform of a soldier and take him by force.
32. Now Sara advised her to take a widow as a partner so that the children of the widow would keep the house busy and full of life.
33. Then she took her to her friend named Maria, who was a widow to a soldier also. But Maria declined, saying, I do not want to have a husband, for men are evil.
34. I know what I suffered when my husband was alive. The gravity of the maltreatment was greater than the height of the sky.
35. Now a day came that the employer of Elisabeth sent his servants on an errand to Uusimaa where he had treasures.
36. And Elisabeth was put in charge of the voyage alongside the sailor Arnelii Persson, who was the brother of her employer.
37. Then on the second day of the trip, when Elisabeth was undressed to take her bath in a secret place, Arnelii playfully went to the same place, being of the thought that they were of the same gender.
38. Then he discovered the sexual organ of Elisabeth and was very shocked. Now Elisabeth pleaded that he should not declare her sexual identity to his brother who was her employer.
39. Now Persson demanded a large sum of money which even surpassed the amount she was being paid as wages for a year.
40. Then when Elisabeth could not pay, he said, you are a courageous woman and it will do you good to become a soldier so that you can earn a higher amount of money, ten times more than what my brother pays you.
41. Then in no time at all, you shall be able to pay me all my dues. Therefore I will help you secure a job as a soldier.
42. Now Persson had many friends who were soldiers, for himself was a sailor who had sailed many of the soldiers across the seas many times. Therefore he used his influence to enroll Elisabeth into the army.
43. Then she became a soldier in the army of Sweden, unknown to the government and her soldier colleagues.
44. Now Elisabeth was brave, going to warfronts and conquering, yet her gender was not discovered. And she paid her dues to Persson until she had paid all of his demands.
45. Now Elisabeth began to have need of a family, having already taken her son from her husband in company of her soldier friends, telling them that the man stole the child from her after losing her wife to the hands of death.
46. Now she proceeded to get married as a widower, according to what she told her fiancee named Kirsten. And the church conducted the marriage and Elisabeth got married to Kirsten.
47. Then when it was the set time that they should have sexual intercourse, she refrained, because she did not want to be discovered.
48. Then Kirsten began to suspect her, until a day when she undressed her to have sex with her while she was asleep after making her get drunk.
49. Then she found that her husband had no manhood. Therefore she reported to the church and Elisabeth was arrested.
50. Then the whole land was thrown into shock when they heard what was done.
51. Now Elisabeth, Sara and even Persson were tried for going against the bible, which had condemned the act of a man acting like a woman or otherwise.
52. And publicly they were all beheaded, because they did not observe the injunctions of their religion which condemned the acts of cross-dressing.
53. And for Elisabeth, they also judged her guilty for collecting money from the government for her service as a soldier, because they did not seek the service of a female soldier.
54. They also condemned her for mocking their god and the church by having a wedding ceremony in the church without the awareness of their god or any church leader.
55. So was Elisabeth beheaded for going against the things which the Catholic Church thought of as right.
.

bigname23:
guy u are confused, how can u say u don't believe in something dat u have seen, Bros , now I see I have been wasting my time arguing with u, u have seen Jehovah and Allah and dey are in a cage guy if u're not being sacartic, then ur case is different, u are being delusional...no nguy u are confused, how can u say u don't believe in something dat u have seen, Bros , now I see I have been wasting my time arguing with u, u have seen Jehovah and Allah and dey are in a cage guy if u're not being sacartic, then ur case is different, u are being delusional...na I dey waste my time dey argue with u since...Bros well done continue

I have seen SantaClus before but I don't believe in all the stories they told us about him. I have seen my secondary school Mathematics teacher before, but I don't believe in his ability to teach well. I have seen Mitsubishi tortoise car before, but I don't believe in its ability to carry me from Lagos to Abuja without breaking down. I have seen Jehovah before but I don't believe he has ability to protect me from danger because he is not powerful as the book purports. Do you now understand?

bigname23:
the Bible says no Christian has d right to judge, I believe that God looks at d heart, most of celebrities u even name call thierselves christians and d fact that somebody errs in a particular way does not make him a sinner by d way there is no place in d Bible dat condems Indian hemp, nd there are still factions of christians who believe pre marital sex is not a sin,daddy freeze for example...wen I talk about testimonies I mean pepo who describe how God raised them from nothing...wetin u won dey go ask them again,... u won force dem say nor b God, if ashawo tells u God is blessing her business,I won't argue, because the Bible says God sends rain to the sinner and d righteous..me I believe God can bless anybody who puts thier faith in him

Now I've seen where you are coming from. Your point is that once anybody mentions god, then automatically the person is religious. Lol. Even atheists and free thinkers say 'Oh my God's whenever they are having sex. Does that make them religious? You can call anything or call yourself anything, but does that make you that thing? Even most of us called ourselves doctors, lawyers and engineers when we were kids, but did it make us engineers? That's why you need to go deep to ascertain the truth. In my own case, I go and sample people's opinions not on the surface, but deep down, then you get to know what people really think about religion. Do you know that many people here criticising religion on nairaland are typing 'Amen! Amen! Amen!' on facebook? That's because they are not bold enough to declare their irreligious stance on a facial forum while on nairaland, they are faceless so they make their minds known. So go personally to meet people and you'd be surprised what you'll find out.

Dtruthspeaker:
To us and no one is compelling you to accept our position and what we have seen to be True, the Bible Did Set That Which is Good and that which is even more than bad, which is called evil.



First, today, I do not know if Saturday is the True 7th day since people have changed things from time to time, including calendar and days, so I do not know that which is naturally True, but A Day Set for Rest and to Do no unnecessary and postponable work, is Good.

Why? Because, it is in the True Nature and soul of man to Rest From Work and Labours. Clearly Employees would be happy for this Law and the Employer ought to be happy, for he too has a Rest from His Necessary Shouting and harrassment of his employees to do their work.

Also, it is A Great Mark of Respect and Love shown to Your True Parent, to take out a Day, which you would Spend Time with them, thanking Them For Their Daily Assistance, Counsel and Support in aiding you to achieve your Good Goals, all the while that you are living in their House, among other things.

So, anyone who flagrantly, blatantly and outrighly disregards this Law, is Clearly Saying to His Father, "I do not respect You, oh Father and I Do Not care for whatever You Say, and I am a god unto myself and to whoever is in my hand, I do not care that You have made a Law and I do not care that it is Your House, (so what, are You the only One with a House?) Do whatever You Like, let me do whatever I like!"

And that last statement is your judgement, for you have done whatever you like without recourse to Him, therefore He is entitled to Do Whatever He Likes, without recourse to you. And therefore, He Commanded us, His Obedient children to Kill, in exercise of His Power of Doing Whatever He Likes, as you have said.

So, yes, I Clearly Answer that, it is Very Good and yes, Disobedient and Rebellious Children should not be allowed to live to infect the other children. The rotten fruit corrupts the bunch if it is not cut out.

But, today you do not need to worry about these things, for the rebellious children have corrupted every child and are so courrupting them, so it is now in His Hands to do whatever He Likes and not in any man's.

In all your sayings, you didn't answer this simple question and I will ask again:

Is it good or bad to work on Saturday?
Pls say yes or no.

bigname23:
religion is d believe in and worship of a higher power whether God or gods , and u said u believe in a almighty God even though u believe that jesus and Allah are just mere gods who make a tiny part of almighty God

Now these definitions doesn't define me as being religious. Why, because I have never said that I believe in a god. Rather, I kept on emphasizing that I know these beings. I have seen Jehovah before and I still see him in his spiritual cage. Believing is about faith, you haven't seen it but you just have the belief in it. I have seen them all. Name all these gods, I have seen them, so I am not a believer but a knower. I know where they currently are. The religious gods are in a spiritual cage while the gods of science are exploring different parts of the multiverses. I don't do the belief stuff.

Now the other part says that religion is worshipping a god or God, but I condemn any form of worship to a god or God Almighty the totality of Existence. It doesn't make sense worshipping a god or gods. It is simply not the objectives of our existence. We are supposed to keep exploring the unlimited energy of the universes and not condescending to god-worshipping. It's very absurd and odd that till date, the gullibles are still bowing down to worship imprisoned gods like Jehovah and Allah when they are gods themselves, capable of efficting change more than the gods they worship.

bigname23:
guy u lie again, the percentage of pepo who I know attribute thier success and other positive impact to God outnumbers the ones with negative impact and who told u I believe my family members, wizkid, burnaboy and the rest are going to hell? read ur bible it say God will judge everyone according thier works good or bad, and point of correction pepo don't abadon the use of thier brain just becos they go to church,infact I know a lot of smart pepo who are christians

Yes, on the surface they do so. But did you care to ask further? That's why I told you that whenever they tell me say 'Bros Na god o' then I ask them further. You don't just put surface things in a questionnaire and run away with it. Even Hushpuppi and all Yahoo Yahoo boys and Oloshos attribute their successes to 'Na god o' but when you ask them in details, then you will know that whatever they are doing for a living does not involve any god or religion. It is entirely by their own efforts. If you don't believe that these sets of people aka Wizkid, Olamide etc are going to hell, majority of the Christians do because these people smoke Indian Hemp and fornicate etc which according to you Christians are bad before god and are sins worthy of hell fire.

bigname23:
guy u are religious then, if u truly believe wat u wrote up there, just dat ur own religion is not mainstream, infact u are more like a traditonalist who believe there are different gods with different powers

What is religion if I may ask? From your definition of religion, let's see if I'm truly religious.

bigname23:
Bros u are generalising ur opinion again, in my life experience I have seen more pepo with positive impact of religion on them, than negative, so that ur 10% gud theory is a total lie...becos from pepo,s testimonies religion has helped more pepo that it has harmed...all the examples u gave above are arguable, becos if u say d fear of hell is bad then the fear of prison in our society is also bad, and we all know that if there were no punishment of criminals in our society then our society will not be conducive for living, and tithing is only done by Pentecostals and tithing itself is not bad, it is d fact some pastors use it enrich theirselves at expense of thier members that makes it bad.

I didn't say that it's exactly 10% good bro. As a matter of fact, it's even less than 10% good. Go and sample people's opinions with a questionnaire to find out. I've been doing such of recent though. Now you say that the fear of hell is not bad, but I will prove to you how bad it is. First, if you think that you will make heaven and most of your unbelieving or non-born-again relatives will make hell, if you are a human being and you don't feel sad about it, then we have to examine you very well. The thought of others making hell while you make heaven alone should make any rational being lose his joy if he or she is not selfish. As in how can I be in heaven and Burna Boy, Wizkid, Olamide, Jackie Chan, Jet li, Doctor Who, Michael Jackson, Van Damme, Mr Piper and many other people who made the world interesting with their talents be in hell and I will feel happy? These are not even my relatives and I am already losing joy over the thought that they could be burning in an Everlasting fire forever not to talk of my own relatives and friends.

Conditions for entering prisons are well stated in the constitutions but the conditions for entering hell are unclear and ambiguous, and the fact that the judgement of fire forever doesn't even sound sane and rational is another reason that makes it bad. And many people now neglect their brains and remain in servitude to these conmen and some gods because of the fear of hell fire. So tell me how it is good to make people neglect the use of their brains because of the threats of hell fire.
Even currently, Education in the world doesn't condone threatening school pupils to make them submissive to their teachers. Capital punishment is already abandoned, because humans are now wiser than even many religious gods. Why do you think they start condemning this method? It's because they have seen that it has done more harm than good of course!

sakanifemi123:
bro, the reason most of you fall in the hand of fake pastor or prophet is that you move closer to man than your God. put God first the rest is simple

Which of the gods should be put first? Myself Otem, Atum, Jehovah, Moloch, Ahura Mazda, Vishnu, Allah or which one please? Or would you rather put yourself first?