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lightblazingnow:
He does!



In fact he calls it the rod, the rod of iron, used for fools and stripes. You know what that means: sicknesses and diseases, pains, afflictions. Most will object. Read this.


Psalms 89:29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.

89:30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; 89:31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; 89:32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.



Loud and clear!



If that didn't work, then look at this New testament quote from one of the men who were carried by the Holy Spirit apostle Paul.


Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:


Rebuke of him



Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.


Good reason to go through it. For whom he loves he disciplines and bring up.




Now, don't get us mixed up, there is a sin to death and there is a sin not unto death. What does that mean? Death came by man through sin which came through commandments of death. If you eat of it you shall die. And he disobeyed and died the death of sin. A sinner giving birth to sinner's and the whole world populated with sinners. If you ever wanted to save the world, you need to overcome the law of sin and death and then give birth to New generation of righteousness. Who can undertake such impossible task, but with God Almighty I tell you all things are possible. What do you think??


Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once?

for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. With God Almighty I tell you again that all things are possible.

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.



And so, many of you who have not with your heart throughly accepted the lordship of Christ, the love and passion the lord God Almighty has towards the accomplishments of the task he's given him, Christ Jesus, to bring to completion in your life.



When you have totally done that, then I will assure you that you will experience resurrection even while you are still on earth. Your faith should rest on the power of God Almighty and not on human wisdom, what man knows. Wake up to righteousness.



1 Corinthians 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

If only we understand the spiritual truth of the Bible verse you quoted, Christianity will be much simpler

Primesky:
I agree with you totally!. This is what division has done to us. Each denomination with its own doctrine based on their own interpretation of the bible. Hmm...

Then what we must do now is to depend on God's Holy Spirit to guide us. Yes, He can tell you where to go and where not to go. The church belongs to Jesus Christ and not to any 'daddy G.O'. May God help us and may He rebuild His church in truth and righteousness.

Thanks dear.

You are right, but the moment we step into a building that has been named, we are entering an organization that is owned and controlled by someone here on earth. True Christians that wants to come together to worship can gather in any location, it can be in a house, a field etc, it does not have to be in a named building called church. The true church which is you, me, and other Christians out there don't need a building before we can worship God. Most of us believe it is the coming together of Christians to worship, that is how we will make heaven not knowing that even the gathering of Christians does not quaranty in anyway access to the the kingdom of God, the only way is by serving, following the commandment of God in all we do 24/7 faithfuly.

GodSon34:
Here are passages proving not everyone is meant to get it:

John 14:
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

2 Thessalonians 2:
7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

This verse is definetly talking to you, not me. Pray for the spirit of understanding, then maybe God will grant you your wish.

GodSon34:
Hebrews 4:
12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

All this scriptures you quoted does not explain your Adam and Eve story at all...

Primesky:
My brother, the corruption is too much. Many churches this days are scam centers. Now, they're twisting the scriptures, misinterpreting and misquoting it to support selfish motives. How is it that men don't fear God?. It's a terrible thing to joke with the heart beat of God. Me I think it will be better for a terrorist and an armed robber on the judgement day, than the one who in the name of church and God deceives another.

However, my dear, we cannot totally neglect the church or the gathering together of ourselves. Doing so will be acting and living in disobedience to the command of the bible. This is one thing I believe the enemy wants to achieve by planting falsehood all over the place, Because he knows that if we're united, we are more powerful. We however, must be careful how we interact with these people. We need to know the Lord personally.

If we leave the church, the enemy will take over it. We must continue to expose the lies of Satan in the house of God, and pray that God will cleans His house of robbers and thieves. While we do this, we must be watchful and prayerful, so that we don't get drowned along with the drowning. Care must be taken in as much as we want to help them. Depend always on the grace and mercy of God.

Jesus Christ is Lord over His church forever!

The gathering of Christians is very important to build our faith etc, but it is wrong to gather in a place where the truth is not being preached 100% of the time, and the manner of our present association is wrong. The moment we choose to be a member of a particular church, we are indirectly segregating, the moment we walk pass a church in our neurborhood to go worship with another church in another location, we are segregating, and that is wrong. The moment we give a church a name, we have differentiated it, because as a Christian u are already a member of the church of Jesus, you don't need to be a member of another one. Let us take the early Christians as example, in the days of the apostles, they have lots of Christians in different cities at that time, they also gather at different location, they have different peope leading them but at no time did they give their self different name, if they want to refer to the Christians in a particular place they call them the church( the Christians) at the name of the place, example they will refer to the Christians in Lagos as the church in Lagos, because there is no division among them. This present church system we have now is exactly what (1Corinthians 3) is warning against, so it is very important a true Christian should get out of it.

GodSon34:
If you know your scripture., it should be apparent that it’s an interpretation based on the combined account in Genesis and John I.e. the two diff creation accounts as per the two books

Please enlighten me by naming them

Can you show us scriptures backing this your Adam and Eve story, because it is clearly stated in the Bible that no scripture is of private interpretation, meaning parables, metaphors etc in the Bible are being explained or interpreted in other parts of the same Bible.

Primesky:
Jehovah witnesses or JWs are not Christians as some may assume. They do not believe in Jesus Christ as Christians do. They also do not believe in the person of the Holy Spirit, the resurrection of the dead and the oness of the God head. Apart from these however, there are many other contradictions they practice. But to position themselves as believers in Jesus when they're not, makes them altogether very dangerous!. This thread aims to expose some of these lies and help both their naive members and christians to know what they believe in, to the intent that they may be set free.

Note : Please, Jehovah witnesses are not devils, and should not be treated as such. They have been deceived and many of them do not know it. Let's show them the way, regardless of their arrogance and stance. Thank you.


The sect known as Jehovah’s Witnesses (JWs) began with Charles Taze Russell in the 1870’s. Russell was raised a Presbyterian, then joined the Congregational church, and was finally influenced by Adventist teachings. By his own admission, he had a hard time accepting the existence of hell. He sought out the Bible, and as his "studies" continued, he systematically began to reject the major doctrines of historic Christianity. He ultimately established his own belief system, and in 1879 he started publishing a magazine to promote his beliefs. This magazine was the precursor to today’s Watchtower (WT) magazine, by which Jehovah’s Witnesses are typically known.

In this tract we will examine five topics relating to Russell, the JWs, and their parent organization, the Watch Tower Society (WTS). We will show that the beliefs of JWs are unscriptural, and that both Russell and the WTS are completely unreliable as spiritual guides.

[/color]Is the Watch Tower Reliable?

In 1910 Russell wrote, "If anyone lays the Scripture Studies [short for a 7-volume WTS publication entitled Studies in the Scriptures, hereafter abbreviated as Studies] aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years—if he lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood the Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the Scripture Studies with their references and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he will be in the light at the end of two years . . . " (WT Reprints, 9-15-1910, 4685). The WTS maintains that it is God’s reliable mouthpiece to the nations, and it claims to be God’s inspired prophet (WT, 4-1-1972, 197)—and yet its prophecies have repeatedly proven to be false. The only conclusion to be drawn is that the WTS is to be rejected as a false prophet.

[color=#006600] Does it mean that only the watch tower can speak for God?.

Among other things, the WTS predicted the following:

1889 "The ‘battle of the great day of God almighty’ (Rev 16:14) which will end in AD 1914 . . . " (Studies, Vol. 2, 1908 edition, 101).

1891 "With the end of AD 1914, what God calls Babylon, and what men call Christendom, will have passed away, as already shown from prophecy" (Studies, Vol. 3, 153).

1894 "The end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble" (WT Reprints, 1-1-1894, 1605 and 1677).

1897 "Our Lord is now present, since October 1874 AD" (Studies, Vol. 4, 1897 edition, 621).
Really?, where's He?!

1916 "The six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th day, the 1000 years of Christ’s reign began in 1873" (Studies, Vol. 2, p. 2 of foreword).

1917 "Scriptures . . . prove that the Lord’s Second Advent occurred in the fall of 1874" (Studies, Vol. 7, 68).
1918 "Therefore, we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the faithful prophets of old" (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 89).

1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the scriptures than 1914" (WT, 9-1-1922, 262).
1923 "1925 is definitely settled by the scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge" (WT, 4-1-1923, 106).

1925 "The year of 1925 is here. . . . Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year" (WT, 1-1-1925, 3).

1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah’s faithful ones on earth concerning the dates 1914, 1918, & 1925 . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates" (Vindication, 388, 389).

1939 "The disaster of Armageddon is just ahead" (Salvation, 361).

1941 "Armageddon is surely near . . . soon . . . within a few years" (Children, 10).

1946 "Armageddon . . . should come sometime before 1972" (They Have Found a Faith, 44).

1966 "Six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E" (Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 29).

1968 "The end of the six thousand years of man’s history in the fall of 1975 is not tentative, but is accepted as a certain date" (WT, 1-1-1968, 271).

Besides false prophesies, the WTS has misled its members through countless changes in doctrine and practice:

"To worship Christ in any form cannot be wrong ... " (WT, 3-1880, 83). "It is unscriptural for worshippers of the living and true God to render worship to the Son of God, Jesus Christ" (WT, 11-1-1964, 671).

The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT, 7-1879, 7-cool. The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT, 6-1-1952, 338).

The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT 8-1-1965, 479). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT 6-1-1988, 31). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Live Forever, early ed., 179). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Live Forever, later ed., 179). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, 985). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Revelation: Its Grand Climax at Hand! 273).

"There could be nothing against our consciences in going into the army" (WT, 4-15-1903, 120). Due to conscience, Jehovah’s Witnesses must refuse military service (WT, 2-1-1951, 73).

"We may as well join in with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event [Christmas] . . . " (WT Reprints, 12-1-1904, 3468). "Christmas and its music are not from Jehovah . . . What is their source? . . . Satan the devil" (WT, 12-15-1983, 7).

"Everyone in America should take pleasure in displaying the American flag" (WT Reprints, 5-15-1917, 6068). The flag is "an idolatrous symbol" (Awake!, 9-8-71, 14).

A much longer list of such contradictions and doctrinal twists by the WTS could be formed, but this suffices to remove any reason one might have to believe that "It is through the columns of The Watchtower that Jehovah provides direction and constant scriptural counsel to his people . . . " (WT, 5-1-1964, 277). If that is the case, who is to say what will be taught tomorrow?

Cc. Can OneJ, Reofidelio and peacefullove tell us what is happening, why the confusion?.

Not just JW but most churches (about 99.9%) are not preaching the truth about Jesus and why he came to die for us. Anybody who claim he/she is a true Christian, and is a member of any church is making a big mistake. All present organizations called church is what the devil is using to mislead the members that call themself Christians. Come out from that organization (church) and let Jesus set you free, only then will you see the light. A true Christian's faith should be tied directly to only God through Jesus, any other thing is false. The moment you join an organization (church), you have added another layer to connect to God. The moment you are out of that organization (church), you will realize from outside, from the smallest to the biggest church, from the poorest to the richest church, can be sumed up as one giant organization of CONFUSION and CONTRADICTION. Trust me, Jesus is not confusion, the words spoken by Jesus and the apostles are not confusion, neither do they contradict. The only way you will get the truth is by critically sturding the Bible and let God lead you to the truth.

If only Christians will understand and believe the scripture...
By prophesing hell fire, shows how dark and wicked the human heart can be, because there is no place from Genesis to Revelation where u will find it. If you believe in a place where billions of the children of God will be tormented in a fire forever then u really need to give your life to God and pray He should direct you to the truth because you are being lied to.

According to the scripture, Faith is a gift from God. It is not by going to church or by fasting, infact you don't work for it at all. Ephesians 2:8

The truth is, most Christians don't know shit about the scripture (including our so called pastors). According to the scripture God is in control of is entire creation, and the biggest lie we are being told is FREE WILL, the state of the world today is how God intended for it to be today, including humans. Anything humans are doing today as been predstinated before the creation of the world. Nothing in this world is spontaneous according to ecclessiastes 3:1. Only God can lead humans from the law of sin which he created. Human don't have the power to turn away from sin