OLAADEGBU:

Read the suggested link below why Evolution is a religion and not science.

http://www.icr.org/article/455/

Creationism is not science, it is a religious belief.  There is no demonstrable evidence that the universe was created by a supernatural being.  Creationism is rejected by the scientific community and evolution is accepted by it.
I am going to say this one more time, since you are so monumentally freaking frustrating to have a discussion with.
1. Atheism is not a religion or a worldview.  It is simply a rejection to the claim that a particular god exists.  We are all atheists in some form.  You are an atheist when referring to any other religious gods, like the Hindu gods or the Greek gods.  I am an atheist when referring to all gods since there is no demonstrable evidence to say otherwise.  Analogies, verses in the Bible, the Bible itself, so called "miracles" (which cannot be tested), diagrams that just have words on them are not forms of demonstrable evidence.
2. Evolution is a scientific theory (a FACT!) and is not a religion or worldview. It does not seek out to explain the origin of life or even to prove or disprove god's existence.  It is simply an explanation of how organisms change over time.

You do not know what science is, so you do not have the right to claim that it confirms that validity of the bible or that god exists.
I am done with your ignorance.
Whenever you do find out what science actually is and that it can be used to demonstrate that your Bronze Age beliefs are true, you will be be ready to have an intelligent and rational conversation with me  

OLAADEGBU:

Let me give you a more advanced explanation of how science confirms the doctrine of the trinity using C.S. Lewis's explanation:

I will be using a helpful analogy by C.S. Lewis a former atheist who had come to the saving knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ, in his book called Mere Christianity.

"You know that in space you can move in three ways – to left or right, backwards or forwards, up or down.  Every direction is either one of these three or a compromise between them.  They are called the three Dimensions.  Now notice this.  If you are using only one dimension, you could draw only a straight line.  If you are using two, you could draw a figure:  say, a square.  And a square is made up of four straight lines.  Now a step further.  If you have three dimensions, you can then build what we call a solid body: say, a cube – a thing like a dice or a lump of sugar.  And a cube is made up of six squares.

Do you see the point?  A world of one dimension would be a straight line.  In a two dimensional world, you still get straight lines, but many lines make one figure.  In a three dimensional world, you still get figures but many figures make one solid body.  In other words, as you advance to more real and more complicated levels, you do not leave behind you the things you found on the simpler levels: you still have them, but combined in new ways - in ways you could not imagine if you knew only the simpler levels.

Now the Christian account of God involves just the same principle.  The human level is a simple level and rather empty level.  On the human level one person is one being, and any two persons are two separate beings – just as, in two dimensions (say on a flat sheet of paper) one square is one figure, and any two squares are two separate figures.  On the Divine level you still find personalities; but up there you find them combined in new ways which we, who do not live on that level, cannot imagine.  In God’s dimension, so to speak, you find a being who is three Persons while remaining one Being, just as a cube is six squares while remaining one cube.  Of course we cannot fully conceive a Being like that:  just as, if we were so made that we perceived only two dimensions in space we could never properly imagine a cube.  But we can get a sort of faint notion of it.  And when we do, we are then, for the first time in our lives, getting some positive idea, however faint, of something super-personal – something more than a person.  It is something we could never have guessed, and yet, once we have been told, one almost feels one ought to have been able to guess it because it fits in so well with all the things we know already.

You may ask, ‘If we cannot imagine a three-personal Being, what is the good of talking about Him.  The thing that matters is being actually drawn into that three-personal life, and that may begin any time – tonight, if you like."

I will not be surprised if this goes above your head knowing that you may struggle to comprehend this simple analogy.

Well at least you know what an analogy is.  
This ANALOGY does not go over my head, thank you. Just as much as the Chronicles of Narnia doesn't go over my head.
This is simply an analogy with the use of simple geometric concepts.  It fails to prove anything scientifically.  Also, you do not understand what science is.
Please give me your definition of science.

OLAADEGBU:

Yeah, right.   And what is your evidence?  What is the foundation of the evolutionary worldview and what is the origin of life?

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There is mountains of evidence for evolution
Here are some writings on the evidence:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-research.html
and wikipedia has compiled evidence (with links for verification at the bottom)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent

Evolution is a fact.  Evolution is a scientific (a word you do not seem to understand) explanation on how organisms change over time (for example how both modern day humans and chimpanzees evolved from a common ancestor).  It is not a worldview and it does not give an explanation on the origin of life, just how life has changed over time.  My atheism has nothing to do with be accepting that evolution is a fact. I am an evolutionist because I adhere to the theory of evolution.

Also, you can be a christian and also accept evolution 
So please, stop comparing evolution to christianity as if both are at the same level of validity and both are worldviews.

OLAADEGBU:

Let me show you how science confirms the trinity of God.  The Judeo-Christian God is like a triangle that is one figure yet has three different sides (or corners) at the same time.  So there is a simultaneous threeness and oneness.  Of course, no analogy is perfect since in every analogy there is a similarity and a difference.  The difference here is that "sides" or "corners" are not persons.  Nonetheless, the triangle does illustrate how there can be threeness and oneness at the same time.  While there is one God, there are three persons within the One God.

This is not science. Please demonstrate this with a testable explanation following the scientific method.

OLAADEGBU:

Please talk for yourself and your fellow evolutionists.  The fact that you don't know the answer doesn't mean no one knows the answer.

Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of the universe.  Evolution is the change of organisms over time.  I can confidently say that no one, with demonstrable evidence, knows the exact origins of the universe at the moment.  

OLAADEGBU:

If you don't know the answer as to the origin of the universe and yet the universe exists why would you jump to the conclusion with absolute certainty that God does not exist?  The onus is therefore on you to prove that God does not exist, don't you think?

My lack of belief in any god has nothing to do with whether or not I know the answer to the origin of the universe.  Atheism is a rejection of the claim that a god exists.  This rejection is based on the fact that there is no demonstrable evidence that a particular god exists.  I never said with absolute certainty that god does not exist nor do i claim that.  Therefore in this case the claims maker has the burden of proof, not me (the claim rejector).  
For example, if I told you that I am the richest man in the world, what would be the default position to take? It would be to reject the claim that I have made until I can demonstrate that I had more money than anyone else.  

OLAADEGBU:

There is no need to prove God's existence because it is there for everyone to see but if you feel otherwise the onus is on you to prove He doesnt exist and I will gladly answer your question.

What is exactly there for everyone to see? What have the 5 billion non-christian in the wold have failed to see? I think at this point it is fair to say that you are making the claim that god exists.  As the claims maker it is your responsibility to demonstrate that and not mine.

Sweetnecta:

@particles^^^^ OT says an Invisible God.

NT says Jesus, Ghost and Father are God[s].

Which one is the correct God concept, since neither truly accepts the other?


For sure, the OT annihilates the concept of Jesus being God, if i may say so without any reservation that i may be proven wrong.

I am an atheist, so I do not believe in any gods.
The Bible is full of contradictions, this being one of them
for example:

Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

The idea that god had to send himself (or his son, depending on your interpretation) to be sacrificed in order to forgive the sins of humanity is absurd.  If god is all powerful, why couldn't he just skip that step and just forgive us all for our sins?

OLAADEGBU:

@Image123,

You can clearly see that these atheist evolutionists have no clue of what real science is all about.  What they are best known for is what we call pseudo science, i.e., science falsely called.  We don't even need to be a scientist to understand that the 4 corners of the earth simply refers to the four corners of the earth, which means the directions of North, South, West and East.

An evolutionist has no clue what real science is all about,
The most widely agreed conclusions about evolution are the BEST examples of what science is all about.  Evolutionary biologists conform to real science, the same science that is responsible for the medicine that you take to STAY ALIVE.
And I love how you clumped the words "atheist" and "evolutionists" together to add a negative connotation to both of them. Atheism is basically the rejection of the claim that a god exists based on a lack of evidence.
But since we are on the topic, please demonstrate to anyone here how the four corners referred to in the Bible mean North, South, East, and West (scientifically).

Sweetnecta:

how can you say with straight face that your christian God is same with jewish God?

When I said judeo-christian god, I meant the god of the old and new testament. In other words, the god as mentioned in the Bible. I believe that is what Olaadegbu is referring to.

OLAADEGBU:

If you can tell me how this universe originated, that is, what was the cause of this universe, then I will tell you how science confirms the existence of the Judeo-Christian God.

No one at the moment is able to tell you, with absolute certainty, how the universe originated.  That is irrelevant to the question.  The burden of proof as to whether or not God exists falls on the claims maker and not on the person that rejects it.  Just because no one has the answer to the origin of the universe, doesn't mean that it gives more validity to the existence of God.
So please, answer the question.

Can anyone, I mean ANYONE, please tell me how science confirms the most essential part of the Bible, the existence of the judeo-christian god? I can't believe that my fellow Nigerians are so backwards. We are capable of so much, yet religion holds us all back from rational thinking.

Has anyone criticized him for all of your misfortunes, today?